[Torios] [Blueprint de-wm] DE (Desktop Enviroment)/WM (Window Manager) for ToriOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Blueprint changed by Jörn Schönyan:

Whiteboard changed:
  [f-jack]Could we do xfce?
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  [Brian Kanto] As I understand it, the goal is to replace XP.. Though, I do 
not think the goal is a near duplicate, like zoran, it shoud have some points 
that make XP users feel comfortable.  Xfce can do this, but it is not that 
light. I have not used much stuff lighter than Lxde, but I belive open box can 
be made to look similar and be lighter on the resources. So, I guess, it comes 
to how light we want it. A few Xp computers, have only 128MB. That would be 
tough on XP. My friends over at Bodhi, chose enightenment. It is well done, but 
seemed a bit closed for me. I would love to hear from some openbox experts.
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  [israeldahl] if we use openbox, there NEEDS to be a GUI to configure the 
rc.xml file.
  I am thinking specifically of the keyboard.  gdialog/bash could work for this 
(like Puppy does for JWM)  It might be nice to do an all-in-one sort of 
configuration window, like the XP control panel.  Or course anyone who is 
really good at C++ could chime in!
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  [tausif-0593] I would suggest enlightenment 17/18; e17 is a solid choice 
given that Bodhi linux has a non-pae iso with e17 specifically. I have not 
explored e18 but it definitely seems to be a build on e17 with alot of 
enhancements. But if we do end up with openbox, it would be quite an 
interesting trip given that it is very possible to have nice looking ui.
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  [Mélodie] Hi, it will be Openbox, at least as long as I dedicate myself
  to make the first ISO(s) which will be available for testing and
  modifying soon.
  
  Ali: I would not want to bring systematic contradiction to you, however,
  if you don't want any component from Lxde I'll be out, because there are
  at least two of them which I have always used, if not a few more.
  
  They are only a few components which are standalone and don't need
  depends. We are not going to invent again the wheel, as they say. Some
  items are very handy and not heavy at all.
  
  The main tool I use in Openbox environments, is one which allows having
  a very easy to use Openbox desktop. It relies precisely on a lib
  provided by the Lxde project. ;)
  
  israeldahl: this is what obconf does. It modifies rc.xml. Other gui
  tools are also available for shortcuts and for menu.xml. They are not
  recent, however it seems they still work. And we would need some new
  tools. I will provide a todo on the mailing list once the first ISO will
  be made available.
  
  One big advantage with Openbox apart from it's lightness and numerous 
available tools provided for it by the community, is that it is quite versatile 
and allows changing to other desktops of your like easily.
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  [israeldahl] Hi, my main concern is the Keyboard Shortcuts.  There is 
currently no GUI I know of to edit ALL the rc.xml, only the one you spoke of 
that handles MOST of the xml file.  I agree that Openbox is a great choice, as 
it can incorporate many different things (tint2, awn, docky, cairo, 
gnome-panel, xfce panel, and of course lxpanel) and can be highly 
customized.
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  [Mélodie] israeldaht: for keyboard shortcuts some tools exist as gui
  frontend.
  
  http://code.google.com/p/obkey/
  http://lambda.host22.com/?page=keybinder
  
  Almost all the gui tools built around Openbox are aging, not updated, and 
written in different languages, which when used need to install depends which 
will make Openbox less light. In the meanwhile some new tools also started to 
be worked on more recently.
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  [zleap] With regard to no cli, will it be easy to be able to switch between 
boot into cli and gui,  it used to be a case of just editing inittab then the 
line
  initdefault:3 for cli or initdefault:5 for gui
  
  Sometimes being able to set things to always boot in to the cli is useful. 
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  [amjjawad] It is almost one month for this discussion and we haven't yet 
decided what DE/WM we shall use?
  Well, in or

Re: [Torios] The Technical Side of ToriOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Hello everyone, I have only some minutes and make it short.

Am Donnerstag, 22. Mai 2014, 15:15:56 schrieb Ali Linx:
> Hola amigos,
> 
> 3- ToriOS will be released every 12 months NOT every 6 months like
> Ubuntu - new idea.
I think it shouldn't be a big problem to rebuild the iso every 6 months a.k.a. 
the point releases. But that is a minor issue.
> 4- ToriOS 1.0 is based on 12.04 LTS - we have discussed that before but
> didn't yet 100% agree on.
> 5- ToriOS 2.0 will be based on 14.04 LTS
+14.04, we will have to package a lot of stuff soon enough. 12.04 we have to 
package a lot more.
> 6- nm-manager should not be used as far as I have read so far from
> different people all of them confirmed the big RAM eater is nm-manager.
We can make autostart of NetworkManager optional, I think. Most machines we 
target shouldn't have Wifi, so everything is okay.
> 9- 60MB or 50MB? don't want to kill ourselves but if we could do that,
> why not? I guess you know what I'm talking about 
The result of my testing iso was 70-80 MB, but with a file manager (SpaceFM), 
nm-applet, xterm+htop. I'll try to replace SpaceFM with Rox, so we should be 
at least under 70 MB. We will see what happens then.
> 10- Have we thought about the ISO size? any idea how big will it be?
> around 300MB? 400MB? less or more? AFAIK, it should never reach say
> 600MB, right?
Again, my testing iso as reference: it was ~500MB big, something like 3,5 GB 
installed. But it was compressed with xz+bs=1M, that is a "slow" compression 
with good compression ratio. Maybe it should fall back to the "normal" 
compression, mainly because it's faster? But cd size would be the limit.
> 15- I know it is hard to tell at this point but any idea when ToriOS 1.0
> will be available to download and use? I know I'm the one who should
> announce that but if truth to be told, it is something that our devs
> should advise for and we haven't yet done anything serious.
Too big ambitions, but the first point release of 14.04 would be nice.

16- Do we have a Github repo, so I can share the script that I used to create 
the testing iso? It's based on a script from the Ubuntu GNOME-team, so no big 
magic. But it's working fine.
> 
> Thank you!
Thank you, too!


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Re: [Torios] The Technical Side of ToriOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Hello everyone, I have only some minutes and make it short.

Am Donnerstag, 22. Mai 2014, 15:15:56 schrieb Ali Linx:
> Hola amigos,
> 
> 3- ToriOS will be released every 12 months NOT every 6 months like
> Ubuntu - new idea.
I think it shouldn't be a big problem to rebuild the iso every 6 months a.k.a. 
the point releases. But that is a minor issue.
> 4- ToriOS 1.0 is based on 12.04 LTS - we have discussed that before but
> didn't yet 100% agree on.
> 5- ToriOS 2.0 will be based on 14.04 LTS
+14.04, we will have to package a lot of stuff soon enough. 12.04 we have to 
package a lot more.
> 6- nm-manager should not be used as far as I have read so far from
> different people all of them confirmed the big RAM eater is nm-manager.
We can make autostart of NetworkManager optional, I think. Most machines we 
target shouldn't have Wifi, so everything is okay.
> 9- 60MB or 50MB? don't want to kill ourselves but if we could do that,
> why not? I guess you know what I'm talking about 
The result of my testing iso was 70-80 MB, but with a file manager (SpaceFM), 
nm-applet, xterm+htop. I'll try to replace SpaceFM with Rox, so we should be 
at least under 70 MB. We will see what happens then.
> 10- Have we thought about the ISO size? any idea how big will it be?
> around 300MB? 400MB? less or more? AFAIK, it should never reach say
> 600MB, right?
Again, my testing iso as reference: it was ~500MB big, something like 3,5 GB 
installed. But it was compressed with xz+bs=1M, that is a "slow" compression 
with good compression ratio. Maybe it should fall back to the "normal" 
compression, mainly because it's faster? But cd size would be the limit.
> 15- I know it is hard to tell at this point but any idea when ToriOS 1.0
> will be available to download and use? I know I'm the one who should
> announce that but if truth to be told, it is something that our devs
> should advise for and we haven't yet done anything serious.
Too big ambitions, but the first point release of 14.04 would be nice.

16- Do we have a Github repo, so I can share the script that I used to create 
the testing iso? It's based on a script from the Ubuntu GNOME-team, so no big 
magic. But it's working fine.
> 
> Thank you!
Thank you, too!

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Re: [Torios] The Technical Side of ToriOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Hello team!

I want to share the current results. Ali and the Ubuntu GNOME team gave me a 
lot of help for this. As for now, I have modified a script from Ubuntu GNOME 
before they went an  official flavour. You can download it from my Google 
drive: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5KBmyjlQESwRGFYNEhsN3FPLVk/edit?usp=sharing

Most things are commented or self-explanatory. You need the original Ubuntu 
iso for this (mostly for conf files and needed .debs that are on it).

Run it, for example with:

sh live-cd-script.sh customize i386 ubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso

That assumes that the Ubuntu iso is in the same directory. Just to mention, 
only JWM will start, nothing else (Wicd, Rox-Filer for the desktop 
background). For this, we need some JWM configs. With that you are able to 
experiment. It is actually based on 14.04, for 12.04 some things are different 
- but no big magic. Now, just some thoughts:

* 14.04 would be (in my view) a better way to start. For example, JWM in 12.04 
is unsupported. The same for Rox-Filer and other stuff. In 14.04, we don't have 
to care about that, at least for a bit more than one year from now. After that 
we have to fix that stuff ourself.

* Is someone able to create a Plymouth theme? There are also needed: some 
replacement pictures for Grub2, a desktop wallpaper.

Thanks for your time, mates!

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Re: [Torios] The Technical Side of ToriOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014, 20:23:22 schrieb Nio Wiklund:
> 2014-05-28 15:47, Jörn Schönyan skrev:
> > Hello team!
> > 
> > I want to share the current results. Ali and the Ubuntu GNOME team gave me
> > a lot of help for this. As for now, I have modified a script from Ubuntu
> > GNOME before they went an  official flavour. You can download it from my
> > Google drive:
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5KBmyjlQESwRGFYNEhsN3FPLVk/edit?usp=sha
> > ring
> > 
> > Most things are commented or self-explanatory. You need the original
> > Ubuntu
> > iso for this (mostly for conf files and needed .debs that are on it).
> > 
> > Run it, for example with:
> > 
> > sh live-cd-script.sh customize i386 ubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso
> > 
> > That assumes that the Ubuntu iso is in the same directory. Just to
> > mention,
> > only JWM will start, nothing else (Wicd, Rox-Filer for the desktop
> > background). For this, we need some JWM configs. With that you are able to
> > experiment. It is actually based on 14.04, for 12.04 some things are
> > different - but no big magic. Now, just some thoughts:
> > 
> > * 14.04 would be (in my view) a better way to start. For example, JWM in
> > 12.04 is unsupported. The same for Rox-Filer and other stuff. In 14.04,
> > we don't have to care about that, at least for a bit more than one year
> > from now. After that we have to fix that stuff ourself.
> > 
> > * Is someone able to create a Plymouth theme? There are also needed: some
> > replacement pictures for Grub2, a desktop wallpaper.
> > 
> > Thanks for your time, mates!
> 
> Hi Jörn,
> 
> I'll have a lng look at this.
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
Hi Nio, if you have any questions feel free to ask :D

I forgot to mention, for me it takes 1-2 hours to remaster the iso (Core i5, 
third generation with 8GB RAM).

Regards, Jörn

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Re: [Torios] The Technical Side of ToriOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014, 21:10:30 schrieben Sie:
> 2014-05-28 21:04, Jörn Schönyan skrev:
> > Am Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014, 20:23:22 schrieb Nio Wiklund:
> >> 2014-05-28 15:47, Jörn Schönyan skrev:
> >>> Hello team!
> >>> 
> >>> I want to share the current results. Ali and the Ubuntu GNOME team gave
> >>> me
> >>> a lot of help for this. As for now, I have modified a script from Ubuntu
> >>> GNOME before they went an  official flavour. You can download it from my
> >>> Google drive:
> >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5KBmyjlQESwRGFYNEhsN3FPLVk/edit?usp=sh
> >>> a
> >>> ring
> >>> 
> >>> Most things are commented or self-explanatory. You need the original
> >>> Ubuntu
> >>> iso for this (mostly for conf files and needed .debs that are on it).
> >>> 
> >>> Run it, for example with:
> >>> 
> >>> sh live-cd-script.sh customize i386 ubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso
> >>> 
> >>> That assumes that the Ubuntu iso is in the same directory. Just to
> >>> mention,
> >>> only JWM will start, nothing else (Wicd, Rox-Filer for the desktop
> >>> background). For this, we need some JWM configs. With that you are able
> >>> to
> >>> experiment. It is actually based on 14.04, for 12.04 some things are
> >>> different - but no big magic. Now, just some thoughts:
> >>> 
> >>> * 14.04 would be (in my view) a better way to start. For example, JWM in
> >>> 12.04 is unsupported. The same for Rox-Filer and other stuff. In 14.04,
> >>> we don't have to care about that, at least for a bit more than one year
> >>> from now. After that we have to fix that stuff ourself.
> >>> 
> >>> * Is someone able to create a Plymouth theme? There are also needed:
> >>> some
> >>> replacement pictures for Grub2, a desktop wallpaper.
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks for your time, mates!
> >> 
> >> Hi Jörn,
> >> 
> >> I'll have a lng look at this.
> >> 
> >> Best regards
> >> Nio
> > 
> > Hi Nio, if you have any questions feel free to ask :D
> > 
> > I forgot to mention, for me it takes 1-2 hours to remaster the iso (Core
> > i5, third generation with 8GB RAM).
> > 
> > Regards, Jörn
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 1. Will this system stay within its directory tree, or will things go
> outside it? In other words, should I do it in a separate OS (in a
> multi-boot computer, or can it be done in a general purpose OS?
Yes, it will. You can make a directory "ToriOS", place the uncompressed files 
and the original Ubuntu iso in it and run the command an everything will stay 
in that folder.
> 2. Is there any manual intervention when running the scripts? Or should
> I prepare everything before starting it, and it runs until finish as a
> batch job?
In a clean environment everything works automatically. So just don't forget

sh live-cd-script.sh clean i386

if you want to retry. Just to mention, you need to be root for everything the 
script does. You also need to install squashfs-tools, genisoimage, debootstrap 
and lzma (if I didn't forget anything). I am also running it on my normal 
production machine.
> Best regards
> Nio


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Re: [Torios] The Technical Side of ToriOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Freitag, 30. Mai 2014, 14:14:54 schrieb Nio Wiklund:
> Hi Jörn,
> 
> I was able to make a working ToriOS iso file according to your scripts
> and instructions. They were complete :-)
Really good!

> Waiting for network configuration (at the Ubuntu Plymouth screen)
> Booting without full network configuration (after 2 minutes)
Could be related with replacing network-manager with wicd.
> JWM desktop with black background and panel at the bottom
Correct, because no autostart is enabled (for example, rox -p=Desktop should 
be in the autostart, but that needs to be configured in JWM.
> uname -r shows that it runs the 3.13.0.27-generic kernel (which is
> a pae kernel).
Yes, normal Ubuntu kernel. We can easily deploy Phill's nonpae Kernel instead, 
though.

Jörn

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Re: [Torios] The Technical Side of ToriOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Dienstag, 3. Juni 2014, 07:24:43 schrieb Nio Wiklund:
> 2014-06-03 01:56, Israel skrev:
> > Your work is superb!!
I take this as a compliment, too ;-)
> 
> Hi Israel and Jörn,
> 
> I'm glad you tried it, Israel :-)
> 
> The main credit is due to Jörn. He set up ToriOS and the only things I
> did was to
> 
> 1. use his scripts (which worked out of the box for me) and make an iso
> file.
> 
> 2. make it a hybrid iso file (so easily used from a USB drive too).
> 
> 3. install it
> 
> 4. make a tarball of the installed system
> 
> 5. make an OBI-9w installer iso file.
> 
> -o-
> 
> I think we can and should continue now to discuss what to include in
> ToriOS. The present version is very basic.
Yes, and some configuration issues should be fixed. Has someone experience with 
JWM configs? Especially autostart (which isn't handled by 
/etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop files)
> 
> 1. You are right Israel, the menu should be improved (including the
> application programs). Or there should be some menu to install the final
> system, whichever is preferred.
>
> "The first problem I notice is the lack of the package 'menu' being
> installed."
Included this, but I'm not happy with it on the long term. Could be better. 
> Maybe you think of the menu in the OBI-9w system of Ubuntu minimal text
> only system that comes with
> 
> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/obi_Trusty-npae124-txt4-9w.iso
> 
> as described in
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/9w
> 
> That installer is independent of ToriOS, but the same idea can be
> applied (to ToriOS).
> 
> 
> 2. There is only a pae kernel now. Jörn wrote that it is easy to change
> to a non-pae kernel. I am not so sure that it is easy, since Phill has
> failed to make an alternate style installer work with it in his non-pae
> project. It works in my workaround with the OBI-9w installer, but that
> system offers no live session of the final system (but the 9w itself
> runs 'live').
Included this, too. But currently there would be not automatic updates as 
there is no metapackage. Phill, do you need any help in this? What's about the 
Bodhi Linux team and their nonpae plan?
> Let us hope you, Jörn, can make your ToriOS installer work with a
> non-pae kernel.
Now, I've opened a Git repo at Github. You can check it out at 
https://github.com/JoernSchoenyan/torios-livecd
 - if you're not experienced with Git, you can just download it as a .zip file. 
Have a look at livecd-script-chroot.sh were the fixes are.
> Best regards
> Nio

Additionally, we should ASAP care about Plymouth theme and stuff - at least, if 
ToriOS wants to have an own "identity". But decisions should be made by Ali 
(hope you are healthier now :D ). Any volunteers on this?

Regards, Jörn


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Re: [Torios] Team Meeting

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Sonntag, 8. Juni 2014, 21:13:21 schrieb Ali Linx:
> Hello Team,
> 
> Do you guys have time for 30mins to 60 mins (max) meeting tomorrow?
> 
> I'm almost available always betwee: 8:00 GMT - 20:00 GMT everyday
> 
> I can't tonight, too tried ... and started 10th of June - 12th of June,
> there will be Ubuntu Online Summit and as you may know, I'll host few
> sessions so I need to be ready for that. I guess tomorrow will work okay
> with me. Otherwise, then maybe later ...
> 
> Also, why not to set a weekly meeting for ToriOS?
> 
> Thanks!
Should be no problem for me, count me in!

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Re: [Torios] meeting today

[Jörn Schönyan]

I'm not avaible, too. Ali is offline for some days. I guess we should delay 
the meeting.


Regards :-)


Am Samstag, 26. Juli 2014 17:14:25 CEST schrieb Jack Ramsay:
I'll be at work. The time that we have the weekly meeting 
really doesn't work for me. I'll read the minutes though.



On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Israel  wrote:
Hi all,
I am not entirely sure if I will be here in time for the meeting.
I will try to be but I may be late.

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Re: [Torios] deboostrap install [update]

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Montag, 22. September 2014 10:04:17 CEST schrieb Nio Wiklund:

Hi Israel,
[replying inline]
Best regards
Nio

Den 2014-09-21 23:32, Israel skrev:

Hey everyone,

I found a page that confirms my suspicions about using deboostrap/chroot
to install on hardware.
It basically uses the same principles as the script I am using to build
the OS.  Though I was actually searching for something else :)


This is very good news :-)




http://www.debian-administration.org/article/426/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap


So... I think it would be very possible to use the current script (with
modifications of course) to setup a NEW computer.
I think we can write a very simple UI using dialog/zenity and simply
'copy' the current OS' packages over (minus a few ones we wont need,


Israel, that work isn't really needed because you are reinventing the 
wheel. The alternate install isos do exactly the same you want to do. That 
should be a good point to start work from: 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization


Best regards!


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Re: [Torios] Other ToriOS architectures

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Am Donnerstag, 13. November 2014 21:36:30 CEST schrieb Israel:

Hi everyone!
I am currently working on a PowerPC version of ToriOS, and it made me
think.  Paul uses a Raspberry Pi which uses ARM (AFAIK).  If he is
willing to we could build Rasp-Pi ToriOS.  Of course if someone wants to
just send me a Rasp-Pi I could build it on there :P

This is assuming the normal packaging and build tools are available for
ARM... which I assume is the case, as Ubuntu Phone will be ARM, so I see
no reason they would not support ARM with as much dev stuff as possible,
since the goal is to one day run the entire OS from the phone when 

docked.


Anyhow, let me know your thoughts!

Ubuntu doesn't support the RaspPi. Ubuntu supports ARMv7, RaspPi is ARMv6. 
You could take Raspbian as a base.


Jörn

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Re: [Torios] UEFI BIOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Montag, 17. November 2014 03:57:40 CEST schrieb Israel:

Hi Paul,
Thanks!
I am not entirely sure if the CD will boot correctly with EFI, 
I have no idea, actually...
Without testing: no, it will not. There is only the 32bit iso, EFI doesn't 
boot from 32bit.


Best regards, Jörn!

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Re: [Torios] UEFI BIOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Montag, 17. November 2014 21:57:55 CEST schrieb Israel:

On 11/17/2014 01:05 AM, Jörn Schönyan wrote:

Am Montag, 17. November 2014 03:57:40 CEST schrieb Israel:

Hi Paul,
Thanks!
I am not entirely sure if the CD will boot correctly with EFI, I have
no idea, actually...

Without testing: no, it will not. There is only the 32bit iso, EFI
doesn't boot from 32bit.

Best regards, Jörn!

Hi Jörn,
Thanks
I was unaware about this, as the Download page indicates that the i386
images will work for any computer if I am unsure.
Do we need to include an efi boot portion to our isolinux in order to
make it boot also, or does it only have to have 64bit packages?
As, I said, I know very little about EFI.. especially standard EFI.  I
do know that Apple EFI is extremely LAME :)


You need 2-3 things:

#1 an EFI folder, you can take it from the official isos
#2 the iso needs to be build like

genisoimage -D -r -V 'ToriOS $arch' -cache-inodes -J -l -b 
isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 
-boot-info-table -o ../../torios-$arch.iso -eltorito-alt-boot -e 
boot/grub/efi.img -no-emul-boot .


#3 (optional) the package linux-signed-generic needs to be installed for 
SecureBoot. If SecureBoot is deactivated, the package is not needed for EFI 
itself.


Jörn

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Re: [Torios] UEFI BIOS

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Mittwoch, 19. November 2014 02:22:21 CEST schrieb Israel:

On 11/18/2014 03:04 AM, Jörn Schönyan wrote:

Am Montag, 17. November 2014 21:57:55 CEST schrieb Israel:

On 11/17/2014 01:05 AM, Jörn Schönyan wrote:

 ...

You need 2-3 things:

#1 an EFI folder, you can take it from the official isos
#2 the iso needs to be build like

genisoimage -D -r -V 'ToriOS $arch' -cache-inodes -J -l -b
isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot
-boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o ../../torios-$arch.iso
-eltorito-alt-boot -e boot/grub/efi.img -no-emul-boot .

#3 (optional) the package linux-signed-generic needs to be installed
for SecureBoot. If SecureBoot is deactivated, the package is not
needed for EFI itself.

Jörn

Hi and Thanks Jörn,
Do I need anything other than the regular isolinux.bin, or does the EFI
folder contain boot.efi (or something like that)?

The official isos contain some additional files in boot/grub/* and the EFI 
folder. This files are responsible for booting on UEFI machines, I think 
they even don't need isolinux at all - it is just a fallback for normal 
AMD64 machines.


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Re: [Torios] Test

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Freitag, 5. Dezember 2014 10:22:27 CEST schrieb Ali Linx:

Hi,

It seems we are having technical problems with our email 
system. This is a test email to confirm whether we do or that is 
just me.


Please reply to all once received.

Thanks!


Pong! :D

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Re: [Torios] Test

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Freitag, 5. Dezember 2014 10:32:47 CEST schrieb Ali Linx:

On 12/05/2014 08:23 PM, Jörn Schönyan wrote:

Am Freitag, 5. Dezember 2014 10:22:27 CEST schrieb Ali Linx:

 ...

Hi,

Then it must be Thunderbird that is acting crazy? I don't know. 
I was worried that our system might go down ...
I doomed Thunderbird to hell some months ago, I'm really glad to have 
Trojita now.

Where is William?!




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Re: [Torios] Numix Icons

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Freitag, 5. Dezember 2014 19:50:08 CEST schrieb Israel:

Hi James,
Can I ask you to get some information about how they make their PPA.
I looked and I cannot seem to find (easily) how they build the 
circle icons into their PPA...

I'm not entirely sure how they import it from git and build it...
I can branch the base icon theme, and the gtk theme without any 
complications it looks like... but the circle icon theme (the 
one we use for applications) it a bit of a mystery from my 
initial investigations.
Thanks again for your help!  The icons really help make JWM 
look very modern and cool!

Hi Israel and the others,

is there a reason for reinventing the wheel? Simply copying the packages 
should do the job:


https://launchpad.net/~numix/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+copy-packages

Regards, Jörn


On 12/05/2014 12:57 AM, Jack Ramsay wrote:
I have gotten permission for us to upload the icons to our PPA. 
Go ahead Israel.

From: Jack T.
Sent: ‎12/‎4/‎2014 7:54 AM
To: Israel
Cc: torios@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Torios] Numix Icons

On Thu, December 4, 2014 1:43 pm, Israel wrote:

Hi everyone!
Jack Ramsay may indeed not be active anymore.  But according to Mr.
Trice he was indeed the person who helped contact the Numix people.  So,
he may still be active actually, but in the US (and Europe as 
well) this is
the time of year when everyone is having holidays.  It is a very busy 

time
of year.  Many people may not have time to contribute.  So it may take 

Mr.

Ramsay a while to get back to us.
It is not a huge deal if we need multiple PPAs.  But it would be nice if
we only needed one.

On 12/04/2014 03:16 AM, Jack T. wrote:


...


Ali,


AND if I was inactive I would not have helped Israel, would I?


JackT.







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Jack Ramsay's last post on G+ was 23 March 2014...

https://plus.google.com/112800872928949597696/posts

JackT.







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Re: [Torios] Numix Icons

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Freitag, 5. Dezember 2014 21:01:01 CEST schrieb Israel:

Hi Jörn!
Will copying the packages over only copy a certain version, or will the
icons/gtk theme continue to receive updates?
If it will receive updated version we can simply copy packages.
However, if they will not then we need to build their packages in our
PPA so our users have everything up-to-date.
No, we have to look for updated packages - but for icons they are very 
rare.

I do not think packaging everything into one PPA is exactly 'reinventing
the wheel'.  I want the users to only have to add one PPA to have
everything up to date rather than 4 or 5.

With reinventing the wheel I meant building new packages.

If you know of a way to link in another PPA to an existing one that
would save a lot of effort!!
Haven't seen a way for that, sorry. Maybe there is a way I don't know, 
though.

Thanks

Very glad to help!

On 12/05/2014 01:43 PM, Jörn Schönyan wrote:

...
Hi Israel and the others,

is there a reason for reinventing the wheel? Simply copying the
packages should do the job:

https://launchpad.net/~numix/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+copy-packages

Regards, Jörn





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Re: [Torios] Hello

[Jörn Schönyan]

My packaging skills are limited, but I know the basics. Time zones are tricky 
for us, but that should not be a big issue.

Best regards

Am 25. April 2015 12:08:34 MESZ, schrieb Ali Linx :
>Hi ToriOS family,
>
>How are you, everyone? I miss you all :)
>
>Before the release of 15.04, I posted:
>https://plus.google.com/u/0/111024543668500323770/posts/cUVWXNoeZNC
>
>I'd like to thank Israel as he was the only one (beside Tim and Phill) 
>who used to check on me - really appreciate that :D
>
>NOT here to make excuses and apologize ;)
>
>https://plus.google.com/u/0/111024543668500323770/posts/CMrULcavxc9
>
>https://plus.google.com/u/0/111024543668500323770/posts/3icuLhjbh32
>
>And, for FWIW, I need some help here :)
>
>(1) I'd lie if I'll claim that I shall read all the emails - no way - 
>too many, can't read all that. Is it possible for a summary of where
>are 
>we now? before the meeting so that at the meeting, we discuss something
>
>else :)
>
>(2) I need to learn packaging, etc. WHO can help me with that?!
>I do NOT want links, etc. I want sessions (IRC, Hangout, whatever) so I
>
>learn better and faster :)
>
>That's all for now ...
>
>Thank you!
>
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>
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Re: [Torios] Hello

[Jörn Schönyan]

So I guess it would be sane to pick a time when it is evening for you and late 
in the morning for me. What about tomorrow (monday)?

Am 25. April 2015 12:20:28 MESZ, schrieb Ali Linx :
>Hi,
>
>Thanks for your reply, my friend :)
>
>On 04/25/2015 08:14 PM, Jörn Schönyan wrote:
>> My packaging skills are limited, but I know the basics. 
>Let me tell you something :D
>The BEST thing I have done so far was creating a .deb file :D hehe
>
>That was the one and only progress I have ever made in this regard so 
>you see, I am far, so far behind!
>
>
>> Time zones are tricky for us, but that should not be a big issue.
>>
>Indeed it is but that should never stop me, at least :D
>
>What is your best timing (GMT - I am +10 now) and what is your best way
>
>of communication?
>
>
>> Best regards
>>
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>> Am 25. April 2015 12:08:34 MESZ, schrieb Ali Linx
>:
>>
>> Hi ToriOS family,
>>
>> How are you, everyone? I miss you all :)
>>
>> Before the release of 15.04, I posted:
>>
>https://plus.google.com/u/0/111024543668500323770/posts/cUVWXNoeZNC
>>
>> I'd like to thank Israel as he was the only one (beside Tim and
>Phill)
>> who used to check on me - really appreciate that :D
>>
>> NOT here to make excuses and apologize ;)
>>
>>
>https://plus.google.com/u/0/111024543668500323770/posts/CMrULcavxc9
>>
>>
>https://plus.google.com/u/0/111024543668500323770/posts/3icuLhjbh32
>>
>> And, for FWIW, I need some help here :)
>>
>> (1) I'd lie if I'll claim that I shall read all the emails - no
>way -
>> too many, can't read all that. Is it possible for a summary of
>where are
>> we now? before the meeting so that at the meeting, we discuss
>something
>> else :)
>>
>> (2) I need to learn packaging, etc. WHO can help me with that?!
>> I do NOT want links, etc. I want sessions (IRC, Hangout,
>whatever) so I
>> learn better and faster :)
>>
>> That's all for now ...
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail 
>> gesendet. 
>
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Re: [Torios] Hello

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am Montag, den 27.04.2015, 09:39 +1000 schrieb Ali Linx:
> Hi,
> 
> On 04/26/2015 07:39 PM, Jörn Schönyan wrote:
> 
> > So I guess it would be sane to pick a time when it is evening for
> > you and late in the morning for me. What about tomorrow (monday)?
> I am on and off but from 12:00am - 9:30am my time (+10 GMT), it is
> very hard for me to be online.
> Other than that, it is less harder/possible.
> 
> So, yes I guess that is okay as long as I am awake and available :D
> 
> Usually, I am awake at 6:00am my time (+10 GMT) but I be busy doing
> some other stuff so it is less likely to be available at that time.
> Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. I'd suggest to go for day-2-day
> and see how it develops ;)
> 
> I'll be waiting for you but let's agree 'where' should we communicate?
> Facebook? G+? here? so one platform to catch up better.
> 
> As for the sessions, it is up to you but of course, the fastest and
> easiest is IRC.

Best way to catch me is FB. Then we can use whatever we like. Just ping
me.

Best regards.

> > Am 25. April 2015 12:20:28 MESZ, schrieb Ali Linx
> > : 
> >     Hi,
> > 
> > Thanks for your reply, my friend :)
> > 
> > On 04/25/2015 08:14 PM, Jörn Schönyan wrote:
> > 
> > > My packaging skills are limited, but I know the basics. 
> > Let me tell you something :D
> > The BEST thing I have done so far was creating a .deb
> > file :D hehe
> > 
> > That was the one and only progress I have ever made in this
> > regard so you see, I am far, so far behind!
> > 
> > 
> > > Time zones are tricky for us, but that should not be a big
> > > issue.
> > > 
> > Indeed it is but that should never stop me, at least :D
> > 
> > What is your best timing (GMT - I am +10 now) and what is
> > your best way of communication?
> > 
> > 
> > > Best regards
> > > 
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > 
> > > Am 25. April 2015 12:08:34 MESZ, schrieb Ali Linx
> > > : 
> > > Hi ToriOS family,
> > > 
> > > How are you, everyone? I miss you all :)
> > > 
> > > Before the release of 15.04, I posted:
> > > 
> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/111024543668500323770/posts/cUVWXNoeZNC
> > > 
> > > I'd like to thank Israel as he was the only one (beside 
> > Tim and Phill) 
> > > who used to check on me - really appreciate that :D
> > > 
> > > NOT here to make excuses and apologize ;)
> > > 
> > > 
> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/111024543668500323770/posts/CMrULcavxc9
> > > 
> > > 
> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/111024543668500323770/posts/3icuLhjbh32
> > > 
> > > And, for FWIW, I need some help here :)
> > > 
> > > (1) I'd lie if I'll claim that I shall read all the 
> > emails - no way - 
> > > too many, can't read all that. Is it possible for a 
> > summary of where are 
> > > we now? before the meeting so that at the meeting, we 
> > discuss something 
> > > else :)
> > > 
> > > (2) I need to learn packaging, etc. WHO can help me with 
> > that?!
> > > I do NOT want links, etc. I want sessions (IRC, Hangout, 
> > whatever) so I 
> > > learn better and faster :)
> > > 
> > > That's all for now ...
> > > 
> > > Thank you!
> > > 
> > > -- 
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> > > K-9 Mail gesendet. 
> > 
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> > 
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> > gesendet. 
> 
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Re: [Torios] The History of ToriOS Websites

[Jörn Schönyan]

I am NOT yet sure which package is good for us? assuming starter is
good enough:
3 Pound/Month
36 Pound/Year


How much webspace is needed, which features? Maybe I can make a better 
offer.


Best regards!

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Re: [Torios] Kernel Panic

[Jörn Schönyan]

Old machine, not working after installation - I guess the hard disk is damaged. 
Check the status with smartctl

Best regards! 

Am 5. Oktober 2016 12:15:04 MESZ, schrieb Ali/amjjawad :
>Hello,
>
>It's been a very long time :)
>
>Anyway, I was trying to install ToriOS on a very old machine from a CD
>simply because it does not boot from its USB ports and please, don't
>tell
>me to use anything else, I'm not interested to waste my time over an
>old
>machine. I was trying to breathe new life into that machine with ToriOS
>1.0
>but I was surprised to see that message 'after' installing the system.
>
>By the way, during the installation, it never asked me about if I want
>to
>install Non-PAE or PAE kernel as it has always been asking?!
>
>Not sure what happened? all seems okay except that message so installed
>failed.
>
>How to solve this?!
>
>
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>
>Best Regards,
>Ali/amjjawad 
>
>
>
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