Re: [Torios] Test - Melodie's message

[JM]

On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 20:32:54 +0400
"Ali Linx (amjjawad)"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can you read this and reply?

Hello Ali,

I am happy for you that you have recovered and seem now to feel fine. 

I am not as happy about the way you have pushed things before you say "the 
project is ON
HOLD". I see that not many people have answered since you popped up a pair of 
days ago,
and mainly I can't work with a team leader who changes his mind – openbox or 
not openbox?
– and who changes targets: "be ready before April to help people with old boxes 
under
XP"  VS - "don't hurry! I can't follow you guys! I can' t run so fast!" VS "I 
am doing
this for fun". ???

This might look like a caricature but expresses perfectly how I have felt about 
it, not
to say about the drowning of the project as soon as you have told everybody 
that it is
“ON HOLD”.

Now just fancy a company. Let's say a startup, with… 17 persons engaged to 
work, some
have a role, and others are helpers to the people who have the main roles, and 
work in
their team. But now, the director, or the CO has a car accident and can't work 
for the
next 10 days. The question is: will the company stop working and close it's 
doors,
therefore putting all 17 + the CO + the director to unemployment, or will the 
next
helpers of the CO manage to keep it running?

Said otherwise it comes to William's post, “Subject: [Torios] ToriOS, moving 
forward.
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 17:04:53 -0600”. He said it well, and I agree with him 
about
asking you respectfully to step down from the leadership. 

Unless you leave the leadership of this project to him, or any other person who 
has
ability to let each one do his part of the job without trying to control them, 
I will not
continue to participate here.

William : I tell it to everyone on the list, I do agree with you, and I am 
still ok to
work on this project if Ali agrees with what you have asked him. If not, I will 
just
go back to the Bento Ubuntu Remix project, and work on some improvements I have 
thought 
about since some time.

To the other participants, please feel free to comment.

Best regards,
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[Torios] ToriOS Project

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hi,

For some odd reason, I didn't receive this email:
https://lists.launchpad.net/torios/msg00295.html

Not sure if my email: amjja...@torios.org is still working on not? too many
funny things are happening lately :)

As for this email:
https://lists.launchpad.net/torios/msg00295.html

My answer is simple:
ToriOS is my project (baby) and I am the father/founder of this project.
Anyone is welcome to join this project, contribute and participate.

Anyone who is not happy with the direction of this project or think I am a
bad leader, he/she is free to express his/her feelings, that is for sure. I
definitely do respect each and every opinion. However, I do trust my
experience and skills and my Wiki Page can give a bit of example of what I
have achieved so far :)

I don't give up, nor surrender.

I was NOT happy with the way the project was heading as no body was
listening and it was a mess and a chaos and I do not work this way.

So, long story short:

@Everyone
I am the founder of this project and I have no plans to step down.
You're welcome to carry on. You're welcome to step down or leave. This is
your call and I have no control over your decision.

Thank you for everything so far :)

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Re: [Torios] ToriOS Project

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Ops, I forgot to mention:

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For some odd reason, I didn't receive this email:
> https://lists.launchpad.net/torios/msg00295.html
>
> Not sure if my email: amjja...@torios.org is still working on not? too
> many funny things are happening lately :)
>
> As for this email:
> https://lists.launchpad.net/torios/msg00295.html
>
> My answer is simple:
> ToriOS is my project (baby) and I am the father/founder of this project.
> Anyone is welcome to join this project, contribute and participate.
>
> Anyone who is not happy with the direction of this project or think I am a
> bad leader, he/she is free to express his/her feelings, that is for sure. I
> definitely do respect each and every opinion. However, I do trust my
> experience and skills and my Wiki Page can give a bit of example of what I
> have achieved so far :)
>
> I don't give up, nor surrender.
>
> I was NOT happy with the way the project was heading as no body was
> listening and it was a mess and a chaos and I do not work this way.
>
> So, long story short:
>
> @Everyone
> I am the founder of this project and I have no plans to step down.
> You're welcome to carry on. You're welcome to step down or leave. This is
> your call and I have no control over your decision.
>
> Thank you for everything so far :)
>
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> Best Regards,
> amjjawad 
> Areas of Involvement 
> My Projects 
>

Please, reply with:

"I am IN" = if you're interested to carry on.

"I am OUT" = if you're not interested.

I do need to know who will stay and who is not going to stay so that I do
my things and start all over again with possibly different people who
appreciate what I do and show some respect at least to the one who come up
with the idea of this project :)

I'd be really glad if certain people I have in mind who could remain but of
course, I can't force anyone :)

Thank you!


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Re: [Torios] ToriOS Project

[JM]

Le dimanche 02 février 2014 à 21:42 +0400, Ali Linx (amjjawad) a écrit :
Ops, I forgot to mention:

> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
> 
> Anyone who is not happy with the direction of this project or think I am a
> > bad leader, he/she is free to express his/her feelings, that is for sure. I
> > definitely do respect each and every opinion. However, I do trust my
> > experience and skills and my Wiki Page can give a bit of example of what I
> > have achieved so far :)


Hi,

Do you sometimes answer directly to the people's mails when the content bothers 
you?

About your achievements, you seem to be mostly good at putting up wikis, 
gathering people,
and impulsing energy (sometimes perhaps too much).


> @Everyone
> > I am the founder of this project and I have no plans to step down.
> > You're welcome to carry on. You're welcome to step down or leave. This is
> > your call and I have no control over your decision.

Ok. This is your decision. 


> Thank you for everything so far :)

>Please, reply with:
> 
> "I am IN" = if you're interested to carry on.
> 
> "I am OUT" = if you're not interested.


I can also show some of my achievements. I had presented most of them to you in 
a private
mail a pair of weeks ago. Then, you just said the mail was very long and you 
couldn't
take the time to read it. Well I had taken the time to write it, so you could 
have marked
it for later reading and taken the time to read a mail coming from the person 
you were
giving the responsibility of the development.

The latest:
http://linuxvillage.org/en/2013/11/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/

and going back in time:
http://meylodie.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/pclinuxos-bonsai-en/

http://meylodie.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/pclinuxos-education-en-2/

http://linuxvillage.org/Downloads/ISOS/PCLinuxOS_En/

http://linuxvillage.org/Downloads/ISOS/PCLinuxOS_Fr/

The quality of these spinoffs is known by a few people who are still using it.

Someone else from the present team was also waiting for your answer at a sub 
forum put up
specifically to talk about how all this would be driven, but you didn't care 
about
putting your mouse on that link and about answering to his questions. Again: ???

All the above projects have been achieved through simple participation on one 
or two
single threads on a forum, and new ISOs where created sometimes several times a 
day, and
uploaded every two or three days so that the testers and the artists could work 
directly
on them. You have _your ways_ which I don't understand quite well. I was ready 
to offer
the result of my work and some new basis as a start for something more 
finished, nothing
more, nothing less. 

I am not willing to use my time through your methods and  *I am OUT*, as I 
stated in the
former mail to the list and to you  (Subject: Re: [Torios] Test - Melodie's 
message -
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 17:51:27 +0100), and I wish you good luck.

Best regards,
Mélodie

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Re: [Torios] ToriOS Project

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hello JM,


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:21 PM, JM  wrote:

> Le dimanche 02 février 2014 à 21:42 +0400, Ali Linx (amjjawad) a écrit :
> Ops, I forgot to mention:
>
> > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  >wrote:
> >
> > Anyone who is not happy with the direction of this project or think I am
> a
> > > bad leader, he/she is free to express his/her feelings, that is for
> sure. I
> > > definitely do respect each and every opinion. However, I do trust my
> > > experience and skills and my Wiki Page can give a bit of example of
> what I
> > > have achieved so far :)
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Do you sometimes answer directly to the people's mails when the content
> bothers you?
>




>
> About your achievements, you seem to be mostly good at putting up wikis,
> gathering people,
> and impulsing energy (sometimes perhaps too much).
>

I highly suggest to  re-read my Wiki carefully as what you have mentioned
is a very little bit of what I do ;)



>
> > @Everyone
> > > I am the founder of this project and I have no plans to step down.
> > > You're welcome to carry on. You're welcome to step down or leave. This
> is
> > > your call and I have no control over your decision.
>
> Ok. This is your decision.
>

Indeed :)


>
>
> > Thank you for everything so far :)
>
> >Please, reply with:
> >
> > "I am IN" = if you're interested to carry on.
> >
> > "I am OUT" = if you're not interested.
>
>
> I can also show some of my achievements. I had presented most of them to
> you in a private
> mail a pair of weeks ago. Then, you just said the mail was very long and
> you couldn't
> take the time to read it. Well I had taken the time to write it, so you
> could have marked
> it for later reading and taken the time to read a mail coming from the
> person you were
> giving the responsibility of the development.
>

If someone 'fails' to explain him/her self in few words, and sends a huge
long email and 'force' people to go though all that newsletter despite the
endless nice request to Keep It Simple And SHORT, well, sorry but I did
read it indeed and was LOST and I admit, I didn't reply back to the same
email but I am sure I have stated that the email was super long :) sorry if
I didn't explain myself better. If you want to be successful, you need to
'learn' how to KISS. Just a free advice.


>
> The latest:
> http://linuxvillage.org/en/2013/11/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/
>
> and going back in time:
> http://meylodie.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/pclinuxos-bonsai-en/
>
> http://meylodie.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/pclinuxos-education-en-2/
>
> http://linuxvillage.org/Downloads/ISOS/PCLinuxOS_En/
>
> http://linuxvillage.org/Downloads/ISOS/PCLinuxOS_Fr/
>
> The quality of these spinoffs is known by a few people who are still using
> it.
>
>


> Someone else from the present team was also waiting for your answer at a
> sub forum put up
> specifically to talk about how all this would be driven, but you didn't
> care about
> putting your mouse on that link and about answering to his questions.
> Again: ???
>

What link and what email? Have you ever thought to check the forum before
you attack me personally?
The domain is down and as I said, it seems someone has put my
amjja...@torios.org off as I can't see any new messages on my inbox. I am
sending this from amjja...@gmail.com in case you didn't notice.

http://forums.torios.org/

The domain name you have entered is not available. It has been taken down
because the email address of the domain holder (Registrant) has not been
verified.

If you are the Registrant of this domain name, please contact your domain
registration service provider to complete the verification and activate the
domain name.

*NOTE:* It may take upto 48 hours after verification for the domain name to
start resolving to its website again.


Please, before attacking someone, get your facts correctly ;)


> All the above projects have been achieved through simple participation on
> one or two
> single threads on a forum, and new ISOs where created sometimes several
> times a day, and
> uploaded every two or three days so that the testers and the artists could
> work directly
> on them.




> You have _your ways_ which I don't understand quite well.


Yes, I have my 'own' way and I like it :)
If you fail to understand my way, don't blame me please. Everyone has
his/her own way. I do respect your way, do respect mine. Can't cope with
it? feel free to state your opinion nicely :) can't do that? just don't
create a drama out of nothing, please.



> I was ready to offer
> the result of my work and some new basis as a start for something more
> finished, nothing
> more, nothing less.
>

Not really. You were doing your best to 'force' your own style and
copy-paste Bento into another name which is ToriOS. When you found out that
I didn't really like what you're trying to achieve and despite how many
times I have asked nicely to take it easy and let's have a vote for what WE
do want, you kept sending LONG emails and kept ignoring me. 

Re: [Torios] ToriOS Project

[JM]

On Sun, 2 Feb 2014 22:40:07 +0400
"Ali Linx (amjjawad)"  wrote:

(...)

I read it all and I will answer short. The one person who participated most and 
also read
that long mail has summarized it in a post at a sub forum created at 
linuxvillage
especially to have private talks between yourself, him and myself, and this was 
at the
very start, long before the torios.org domain had an issue, I think it might 
not even
exist at that time.

I have also sent some shorter emails to you to which you have not answered. 
Yes, I was
interested to change Bento into ToriOS, I don't think I have hidden that. As 
long as it
was about serving people the best and lightest possible version, and bring it 
to the
highest level we were on the same goal. Once you started to say well no, we may 
use
something else than Openbox, I already had not my place in your team anymore, 
as making
Openbox an easy environment for the end users is the skill which I have 
developed. (Not
JWM, not Fluxbox, not Awesome or Ratpoison… ). As we had formerly talked about 
that on
the G+ chat, it seemed to me that you agreed to my proposition. I know someone 
else who
we were talking with was also aware of that. I have mistaken on your real goal, 
so I
apologize for my mistake and will now just remove myself from ToriOS.

I don't need to read again your wiki to know what you can do or what you can't 
do. I am
not attacking you and I sincerely wish you success with your projects.

Best regards,
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Re: [Torios] ToriOS Project

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:12 PM, JM  wrote:

> On Sun, 2 Feb 2014 22:40:07 +0400
> "Ali Linx (amjjawad)"  wrote:
>
> (...)
>
> I read it all and I will answer short. The one person who participated
> most and also read
> that long mail has summarized it in a post at a sub forum created at
> linuxvillage
> especially to have private talks between yourself, him and myself, and
> this was at the
> very start, long before the torios.org domain had an issue, I think it
> might not even
> exist at that time.
>
> I have also sent some shorter emails to you to which you have not
> answered. Yes, I was
> interested to change Bento into ToriOS, I don't think I have hidden that.
> As long as it
> was about serving people the best and lightest possible version, and bring
> it to the
> highest level we were on the same goal. Once you started to say well no,
> we may use
> something else than Openbox, I already had not my place in your team
> anymore, as making
> Openbox an easy environment for the end users is the skill which I have
> developed. (Not
> JWM, not Fluxbox, not Awesome or Ratpoison... ). As we had formerly talked
> about that on
> the G+ chat, it seemed to me that you agreed to my proposition. I know
> someone else who
> we were talking with was also aware of that. I have mistaken on your real
> goal, so I
> apologize for my mistake and will now just remove myself from ToriOS.
>
> I don't need to read again your wiki to know what you can do or what you
> can't do. I am
> not attacking you and I sincerely wish you success with your projects.
>
>
Dear Melodie,

>From the email above, I can assure you that there was a huge
misunderstanding. It seems we were talking apples and oranges. I don't
blame anyone but the mess and chaos which has been created and I've been
ignored when I asked to stop it, was the reason behind such
misunderstanding. Also, I feel that the one (me) who was cleaning the mess
and trying to stop it by putting the project on HOLD just because he's nice
enough not to address the people in names, those who ignored each and every
email I sent, then almost the same people have agreed behind my back and
offer me to step down. Well, I am so disappointed. Really. But hey, life is
a lesson and if you don't learn from it, you will have hard time. I have
learned a lot of lessons from ToriOS so far. The best lesson is:
Never get over excited + take it easy + KISS + Action speak louder than
words. And, I am still learning.

No hard feeling, dear friend. We're friend. I will not let a 'Project' to
be a reason to lose a friend. That can't be happen. You're welcome to drop
me a line every now and then. I promise I will 'read' and 'reply' but if it
is very long, don't hold your hopes too high :P

Thank you for your wishes and good luck with Bento :)



> Best regards,
> Mélodie
>
>
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[Torios] [Blueprint torios-team-structure] The Structure of ToriOS Team and the Roles

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[Torios] [Blueprint torios-logo] ToriOS Official Logo

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[Torios] [Blueprint torios-logo] ToriOS Official Logo

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[Torios] [Blueprint torios-artwork] Branding and Artwork for ToriOS

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Whiteboard changed:
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  Need to decide on color palette.
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  http://openfontlibrary.org/
  This has a lot of the fonts already in the ubuntu repositories, but is very 
visual, and may have some more that are not in the repos.
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seems that it should be pretty open to use any of those fonts as a logo)
- [f-jack] I like opensans and It's under the SIL Openfont License so it's very 
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