[tor-talk] Separate Tors for Communities/Special Purposes?
I know this is crazy talk, but would it be very bad to provide an easy way/guide on how to operate a seperate Tor network for communities? I know the anonymity properties of that would suck, but for anti-censorship it could still have more pros than cons, no? I've been thinking about experimenting with a VoIP-only (port/protocol) Tor network, but will never get around to actually do it. It would be interesting to see how a (real world) "only encrypted, well-known ports" Tor network would behave. -- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/ ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Separate Tors for Communities/Special Purposes?
Hi, On 23.07.2011 17:50, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> I've been thinking about experimenting with a VoIP-only (port/protocol) >> Tor network, but will never get around to actually do it. It would be >> interesting to see how a (real world) "only encrypted, well-known ports" >> Tor network would behave. > Ironkey has their own Tor-like network in production and people use it. > [...] Other people have similar networks using Tor and some run > them as a test network. [...] > I think it would be really interesting if you ran your own experimental > Tor network [...] No, you got me wrong there. I am not speaking about a single entity running this experiment, but independent entities like for the (large) Tor network. I know I can set up custom Tor networks, but it's not really something that is well explained. I envision it in a way where I can chose what network I want to become part of - eg. by downloading all/its config files from some place (client/middle/exit selectable) - and it sets up the rest. Also, but this is a whole different disussion and I'll ask it on the Tor dev meeting - the reason for me to post this is because I tend to forget things quickly - is: Sorry, I am lazy, there is probably a paper on this, but why doesn't Tor (aim to) allow both high and low latency traffic? -- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/ ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Separate Tors for Communities/Special Purposes?
On 07/23/2011 08:33 AM, Moritz Bartl wrote: > I know this is crazy talk, but would it be very bad to provide an easy > way/guide on how to operate a seperate Tor network for communities? I > know the anonymity properties of that would suck, but for > anti-censorship it could still have more pros than cons, no? > > I've been thinking about experimenting with a VoIP-only (port/protocol) > Tor network, but will never get around to actually do it. It would be > interesting to see how a (real world) "only encrypted, well-known ports" > Tor network would behave. > Hi Moritz, Ironkey has their own Tor-like network in production and people use it. It probably isn't very safe for most uses but it might be fine for others, who knows? Other people have similar networks using Tor and some run them as a test network. I think test networks are generally fine, they help us find bugs and generally it's exciting for someone to spin up a bunch of systems all at once. That seems like a reasonable thing to do. I agree that it's crazy talk for anonymity reasons. However, you actually said the one word that absolves you of being instantly immolated by fire from the heavens: experiment! Experiments are great! Warning users using it that you're undertaking an experiment that provides no security, no anonymity and so on is also great! Unless they need it and they can't provide informed consent. See also the "immolation by fire" for this case. :) You probably want to limit who can even access the nodes without ensuring they're actually informed and that you feel comfortable with their understanding of the point of your experiments. I think it would be really interesting if you ran your own experimental Tor network to understand if it's even possible to run usable VoIP calls over a network of Tor nodes. I wonder what protocols would be useful? I'm not sure what VoIP security model you're thinking of - other than ZRTP, I'm not sure there's much in the VoIP security world worth much... Lets talk about it at the TorDev meeting? All the best, Jake ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
