[TLS] Re: MLKEM or Khyber KX

2024-11-02 Thread John Mattsson
Eric Rescorla wrote:
>Is reuse of ML-KEM keys worse in some way than the reuse of ECDHE keys?

No reuse of ephemeral keys is always bad.

John

From: Eric Rescorla 
Date: Saturday, 2 November 2024 at 02:09
To: John Mattsson 
Cc: Filippo Valsorda , Rich Salz , Bas 
Westerbaan , tls@ietf.org 
Subject: Re: [TLS] Re: MLKEM or Khyber KX


On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 11:30 AM John Mattsson 
mailto:40ericsson@dmarc.ietf.org>>
 wrote:
>and would warmly welcome it being a MUST in the IETF specification of the 
ML-KEM TLS hybrids.

+1

Let’s try to make that happen
https://github.com/post-quantum-cryptography/draft-kwiatkowski-tls-ecdhe-mlkem/pull/25

Is reuse of ML-KEM keys worse in some way than the reuse of ECDHE keys?

-Ekr


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[TLS] Re: MLKEM or Khyber KX

2024-11-02 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 12:12 AM John Mattsson 
wrote:

> Eric Rescorla wrote:
> >Is reuse of ML-KEM keys worse in some way than the reuse of ECDHE keys?
>
> No reuse of ephemeral keys is always bad.
>

Right.

Based on the discussion so far, I think it would be reasonable to have a
mandate for TLS 1.3 generally. However, I don't think it's a good thing to
have a different rule for this key exchange algorithm than for TLS as a
whole unless there's some specific technical reason for it.

i would defer to the chairs on what they think the appropriate avenue is
for such a requirement for 1.3.

-Ekr





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[TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-tls-reddy-composite-mldsa-00.txt

2024-11-02 Thread tirumal reddy
Hi all,

The draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tls-reddy-composite-mldsa/
specifies how ML-DSA in combination with traditional algorithms can be used
for authentication in TLS 1.3.

Comments and suggestions are welcome.

Regards,
- Tiru
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 at 05:33
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-tls-reddy-composite-mldsa-00.txt
To: Tirumaleswar Reddy.K , John Gray <
john.g...@entrust.com>, Scott Fluhrer , Timothy
Hollebeek 


A new version of Internet-Draft draft-tls-reddy-composite-mldsa-00.txt has
been successfully submitted by Tirumaleswar Reddy and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-tls-reddy-composite-mldsa
Revision: 00
Title:Use of Composite ML-DSA in TLS 1.3
Date: 2024-11-02
Group:Individual Submission
Pages:8
URL:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-tls-reddy-composite-mldsa-00.txt
Status:   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tls-reddy-composite-mldsa/
HTML:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-tls-reddy-composite-mldsa-00.html
HTMLized:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tls-reddy-composite-mldsa


Abstract:

   This document specifies how the post-quantum signature scheme ML-DSA
   [FIPS204], in combination with traditional algorithms RSA-
   PKCS#1v1.5,RSA-PSS, ECDSA, Ed25519, and Ed448 can be used for
   authentication in TLS 1.3.  The composite ML-DSA approach is
   beneficial in deployments where operators seek additional protection
   against potential breaks or catastrophic bugs in ML-DSA.



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[TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-tls-reddy-slhdsa-00.txt

2024-11-02 Thread tirumal reddy
Hi all,

This draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tls-reddy-slhdsa/
specifies how the PQC signature scheme SLH-DSA can be used for
authentication in TLS 1.3.
Comments and suggestions are welcome.

Regards,
-Tiru

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 at 05:39
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-tls-reddy-slhdsa-00.txt
To: Tirumaleswar Reddy.K , John Gray <
john.g...@entrust.com>, Scott Fluhrer , Timothy
Hollebeek 


A new version of Internet-Draft draft-tls-reddy-slhdsa-00.txt has been
successfully submitted by Tirumaleswar Reddy and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-tls-reddy-slhdsa
Revision: 00
Title:Use of SLH-DSA in TLS 1.3
Date: 2024-11-02
Group:Individual Submission
Pages:8
URL:  https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-tls-reddy-slhdsa-00.txt
Status:   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tls-reddy-slhdsa/
HTML: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-tls-reddy-slhdsa-00.html
HTMLized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tls-reddy-slhdsa


Abstract:

   This memo specifies how the post-quantum signature scheme SLH-DSA
   [FIPS205] is used for authentication in TLS 1.3.



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