Re: [techtalk] X4 and fonts
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Shawn Ann Griffith wrote:
> I've been trying to get extra font packages to work with X4 particularly
> the freefont and sharefont packages. I've read documentation, but so
> far I haven't found anything that will help. I have added their font
> path to my xconfig file and still nothing. Is there anyone out there
> who's been able to get these to work? What am I overlooking?
If there are no 'fonts.dir' files in the font directories you need to
run "mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/{free,share}font".
Eric
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[techtalk] Pine and new mail
My Pine mailbox doesn't seem to refresh itself as it should, or at least as I'd like it to. Frequently I'll have a terminal window open with Pine running, showing no messages in my inbox for several minutes, and then when I quit to the command prompt it will say "kept single message." So I run Pine again and there's the mail waiting for me. I've got "mail-check-interval=30" in my .pinerc, so it should be refreshing every 30 seconds, right? I've tested by sending mail to myself and it will sometimes sit for several minutes without showing me that I've got mail. Am I missing something obvious? Naturally this is more annoying than critical, but I appreciate any help. Jason Jason Puckett / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.intemperance.net "I'm a fraud. A poor, lazy, sexy fraud." -- Bender (If mail to intemperance.net fails, use [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Pine and new mail
On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 11:40:32AM -0500, Jason wrote: > My Pine mailbox doesn't seem to refresh itself as it should, or at least > as I'd like it to. Frequently I'll have a terminal window open with Pine > running, showing no messages in my inbox for several minutes, and then > when I quit to the command prompt it will say "kept single message." As an interim fix - if I recall correctly, doing a screen redraw (control-L) when you are on the `inbox' screen should make it grab any new mail in addition to redrawing the screen. (I never did get around to configuring pine's subleties...) Rick -- Mike: I swear, you must think you're some kind of god. Pitr: God, root, what is difference? :User Friendly ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Pine and new mail
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Rick Scott wrote: > As an interim fix - if I recall correctly, doing a screen redraw > (control-L) when you are on the `inbox' screen should make it grab any > new mail in addition to redrawing the screen. That does seem to be at least a partial workaround. Thanks. As an additional data point -- sometimes I can send myself test mail and it pops up within a few seconds. It does seem to be refreshing itself, just at a much longer interval than I want it to. Jason Puckett / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.intemperance.net "I'm a fraud. A poor, lazy, sexy fraud." -- Bender (If mail to intemperance.net fails, use [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Help with hardware woes?
Putting out a general distress call to see if anyone else out there has run into a similar problem ... and was able to do something about it besides convert the PC into a cat litter box. I'm working on a Dell Optiplex GX200 running Win2k (no, not Linux, but I'm reasonably certain this is hardware and not OS related). User left PC on when he went to lunch, came back to find monitor in power save mode (which it should be). But moving mouse/pressing keys on keyboard did not bring up video. He tried powering off PC, but it wouldn't power off (being a Dell, he probably didn't hold power button in long enough) so he turned off surge strip to cut power to PC. Waited a few seconds, powered PC back on, got a pre-POST message saying "memory parity failure." We have since been unable to boot machine past this message and address given is different each time we get the message. More often than not, attempts to boot result in no video, yellow light on monitor as if it's not detecting PC. Called Dell yesterday and they took me through the usual steps; "disconnect this and test, disconnect that and test, disconnect everything but power supply and test. Dell and I concurred a new motherboard was the next logical step and they shipped one to me. Just put in the new motherboard, testing each time I connected something new. All ok until I hooked up HD and CD-Rom/floppy (CD and floppy both on IDE 2 ... it's one of those new super floppy jobs). PC powered up ok, but didn't detect any drives. I powered down, pushed cables in to make sure they were secure, powered up and it's back to the same problem; memory parity error. Disconnected drives, connect that, disconnect this, same problem ... back to square one. I've also tried switching memory chips (PC uses RIMM; 1 memory chip and 1 dummy chip). No effect. Any ideas? Ever run into something like this before? Thanks in advance - Mary, the ever growing little PC tech. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] More on hardware woes
Here's a specific query: Can a damaged memory chip fry a motherboard? I'm reading in my nice big PC maintenance bible that a sudden surge or drop in power can damage a memory chip. The user did indeed wind up shutting down the PC by cutting off the surge strip. If that damaged the memory chip and the damaged chip is capable of killing the MB, I may be seeing some light at the end of the tunnel. About the only other thing I haven't been able to test yet is the CPU. I have no expendable CPUs in the office that will fit into the mb and the CPU in question won't fit any of my junk machines. Again, any brainstorms, insights, bad jokes, would be welcome! - Mary; wounded but fighting for life ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Help with hardware woes?
I had a similar problem. One of my IDE hard drives started making some clicking noises. The OS (Linux) was still working OK, but I shut down just in case. I decided to pull the offending drive out of the computer, but first I needed to get some important files off of it. Tried to boot the computer (to get the files off of the drive) but it wouldn't POST, and I wouldn't even get a video signal from the video card. Here's the similar part: it wouldn't power off when I pressed the power button! After several phone calls to the manufacturer, I sent the motherboard in for warranty repair. It's a long story, but after $30 in phone calls, shipping the motherboard to them TWICE, and being without my computer for three months, they finally sent me my repaired motherboard. It turns out that a few resistors were fried. I really think the bad hard drive damaged the motherboard. I haven't connected it to any other motherboards yet, and am reluctant to do so unless it's an old 386 that I don't mind losing. Maybe that doesn't help you, but you're the first person I've heard of who has a problem even remotely resembling the one I had. Eric On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Wood, Mary wrote: > Putting out a general distress call to see if anyone > else out there has run into a similar problem ... and > was able to do something about it besides convert the > PC into a cat litter box. > > I'm working on a Dell Optiplex GX200 running Win2k (no, not > Linux, but I'm reasonably certain this is hardware and not > OS related). User left PC on when he went to lunch, came > back to find monitor in power save mode (which it should be). > But moving mouse/pressing keys on keyboard did not bring up > video. He tried powering off PC, but it wouldn't power off > (being a Dell, he probably didn't hold power button in long > enough) so he turned off surge strip to cut power to PC. > Waited a few seconds, powered PC back on, got a pre-POST > message saying "memory parity failure." We have since been > unable to boot machine past this message and address given > is different each time we get the message. More often than > not, attempts to boot result in no video, yellow light on > monitor as if it's not detecting PC. > > Called Dell yesterday and they took me through the usual > steps; "disconnect this and test, disconnect that and test, > disconnect everything but power supply and test. Dell and > I concurred a new motherboard was the next logical step and > they shipped one to me. > > Just put in the new motherboard, testing each time I connected > something new. All ok until I hooked up HD and CD-Rom/floppy > (CD and floppy both on IDE 2 ... it's one of those new super > floppy jobs). PC powered up ok, but didn't detect any drives. > I powered down, pushed cables in to make sure they were secure, > powered up and it's back to the same problem; memory parity > error. Disconnected drives, connect that, disconnect this, same > problem ... back to square one. > > I've also tried switching memory chips (PC uses RIMM; 1 memory > chip and 1 dummy chip). No effect. > > Any ideas? Ever run into something like this before? > > Thanks in advance > > - Mary, the ever growing little PC tech. > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > -- My public OpenPGP key can be found at http://www.wwu.edu/~turnere/turnere.asc ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Re; help with hardware woes?
Thanks for responding Eric! I have decided that *some* device is damaged and frying the mb. At first I thought it might be one of the 3 drives (hd, cd-rom, super floppy), but I've connected all 3 individually to a good, yet expendable machine. Other than Win2k won't run on 32m of RAM, all 3 failed to kill the mb. That's when I started looking to the memory chip or possibly the cpu. According to basic physics, a body in motion will remain in motion until acted upon. Likewise, a working PC tends to remain working until something happens to it. I've ruled out old age or wear and tear as this is a brand new machine. The one and only thing the user did which puts up a red flag in my little brain was to shut off the machine by cutting power to the surge strip it was plugged into. Again, thanks for the empathy and the info ... at least I know I'm not the only one who's run into something like this! - Mary ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Pine and new mail
On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Jason wrote: > My Pine mailbox doesn't seem to refresh itself as it should, or at least > as I'd like it to. Frequently I'll have a terminal window open with Pine > running, showing no messages in my inbox for several minutes, and then > when I quit to the command prompt it will say "kept single message." So I > run Pine again and there's the mail waiting for me. One other setting you might want to set, under "Advanced User Preferences", is check-newmail-when-quitting. It will prompt you to "Quit, even tho new mail has arrived?" Dawn-Marie "How much change is needed before something is no longer the same?" ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] More on hardware woes
Wood, Mary wrote: > Here's a specific query: > > Can a damaged memory chip fry a motherboard? I'm not sure if it can fry a motherboard, but it CAN cause all sorts of wierd-and-wonderful reactions. Hm. My Other Half tells me he once fried a CPU and power supply by plugging a whole bank of 16K RAM in the wrong way around. So let's call it possible-but-unlikely. Cutting off power that abruptly might have fried some componentry in the motherboard, especially if there was something that was dodgy to begin with. So even if A did not cause B, A and B might have both been caused by C. I think you can see the light .. and it's not an oncoming train! Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Debian
Hi I have just installed Debian from the basic CD, the basic install went fine, it configured itself to be able to get out through my gateway (I have an ISDN router) and I can browse the web with lynx and telnet, ftp etc. Yet I can't install a window manager, I'd really like kde, but when I try and use apt-get it doesnt work. I'm sure I'm just doing something silly. I found kde.debian.net added the line of where the files were to sources.list but it doesnt seem to find anything to install. Is there a newbie guide anywhere to using apt-get? Anyone using debian who could shove me in the right direction? I've always used redhat before, and my linux knowledge is really limited to apache and webserver type things, although I am happy to compile from source etc. Rachel Andrew http://www.rachelandrew.co.uk i know there is strength in the differences between us and i know there is comfort where we overlap - ani difranco ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Debian
Heya -- > Yet I can't install a window manager, I'd really like kde, but when I > try and use apt-get it doesnt work. Ooh, I just got done with this one myself, actually. I have yet to find a good how-to for it; maybe I'll write one. [grin] Two important things -- what distribution of Debian are you using, and what version of KDE do you want? I'd recommend going for KDE 2 over KDE 1.x. On my system, I installed KDE 2 onto my recently-upgraded potato. /etc/apt/sources.list should contain: deb http://kde.tdyc.com potato main crypto kde2 qt1apps optional If you omit the qt1apps, you can't get some of the dependent libraries. You can safely leave off optional, but you won't be able to get some of the cool packages. I have no idea what order you're supposed to install things in. Add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update (took about 10 minutes on my machine) apt-get install kde* threw up a bunch of errors for me, but those errors generally told me what packages I needed to get. Task-kde seemed to be all the KDE programs I know and love, and task-kde-devel seemed to be many of the dependent libraries. I also had to upgrade my Perl and Python libraries. Try installing the packages that is says you don't have. Ignore conflicts with kdebase-it, kdebase-fr, etc., unless you actually need Italian, French, etc. support. (There are about a million language versions -- I'm running KDE just fine without them.) Once you've gotten all the packages, add startkde to your .xsession and remove any other window managers (assuming you're not doing that funky WindowMaker/KDE mix thing) if you're using xdm to start X. Otherwise, just invoke KDE manually when you start X. If you get errors, post 'em to the list and I'll help if I can. Anyone else know a less messy way of doing this? Cheers, Raven = "May you live in interesting times, May you get everything you ask for, And may you come to the attention of those in power." -- ancient Chinese curses __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Debian
Rachel Andrew wrote: > Yet I can't install a window manager, I'd really like kde, but when I try > and use apt-get it doesnt work. I'm sure I'm just doing something silly. I > found kde.debian.net added the line of where the files were to sources.list > but it doesnt seem to find anything to install. kde2 is included in the unstable branch. I have been running unstable debian ever since I started using linux and have had no problems. A few sites you might want to try for debian questions would be http://debianplanet.org or http://debianhelp.org I don't use kde and have never really looked into it, hope this may help some. Shawn Ann ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] LILO problems
Heya -- >> This is exactly your problem. After editing the lilo.conf, you >> have to run /sbin/lilo to copy your changes into the master boot >> record. > > hey.. now that IU'm actually thinking about this.. how do you do the > same thing with grub? I believe that you make your config changes, and then rerun grub-install. Not totally sure of that, though, so have a boot disk handy in case of trauma. Cheers, Raven = "May you live in interesting times, May you get everything you ask for, And may you come to the attention of those in power." -- ancient Chinese curses __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Help with hardware woes?
On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 10:27:41AM -0700, Wood, Mary wrote: > Putting out a general distress call to see if anyone > else out there has run into a similar problem ... and > was able to do something about it besides convert the > PC into a cat litter box. > > I'm working on a Dell Optiplex GX200 running Win2k (no, not > Linux, but I'm reasonably certain this is hardware and not > OS related). User left PC on when he went to lunch, came > back to find monitor in power save mode (which it should be). > But moving mouse/pressing keys on keyboard did not bring up > video. He tried powering off PC, but it wouldn't power off > (being a Dell, he probably didn't hold power button in long > enough) so he turned off surge strip to cut power to PC. > Waited a few seconds, powered PC back on, got a pre-POST > message saying "memory parity failure." We have since been > unable to boot machine past this message and address given > is different each time we get the message. More often than > not, attempts to boot result in no video, yellow light on > monitor as if it's not detecting PC. > > Called Dell yesterday and they took me through the usual > steps; "disconnect this and test, disconnect that and test, > disconnect everything but power supply and test. Dell and > I concurred a new motherboard was the next logical step and > they shipped one to me. > > Just put in the new motherboard, testing each time I connected > something new. All ok until I hooked up HD and CD-Rom/floppy > (CD and floppy both on IDE 2 ... it's one of those new super > floppy jobs). PC powered up ok, but didn't detect any drives. > I powered down, pushed cables in to make sure they were secure, > powered up and it's back to the same problem; memory parity > error. Disconnected drives, connect that, disconnect this, same > problem ... back to square one. > > I've also tried switching memory chips (PC uses RIMM; 1 memory > chip and 1 dummy chip). No effect. > > Any ideas? Ever run into something like this before? > Sounds like a tough one:) This is kind of after the fact but the first thing I would have checked when I found out the computer had "blacked out" would be the CPU fan. If the CPU gets too hot everything just goes black. Sometimes a partial reboot will work but ultimately it will black out. I've had something similar happen when the power supply fan quit working. It is possible that the power supply fan quit working and partially damaged the power supply. It might be that there just isn't enough power to the motherboard when you added the extra drives. Don't know. Were there or are there any funny smells about the computer? If so could be burned or stressed parts. Follow your nose:) It sounds like you've been swapping memory around. Have you tried using a different slot other than #1? I've had motherboards that one dimm slot is bad but the others work. Your absolutely sure the memory is fine? I would swap a stick out of a computer that is working and try that. It sounds like you've tried to go back, stripping the drives back off. Have you tried resetting the bios? Maybe you can't get that far. Have you tried a different processor in the board? I would also do that if you haven't. A few thoughts. Hope they help. kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Help with hardware woes?
On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 12:58:39PM -0800, Eric R. Turner wrote: > I had a similar problem. One of my IDE hard drives started making some > clicking noises. The OS (Linux) was still working OK, but I shut down just > in case. I decided to pull the offending drive out of the computer, but > first I needed to get some important files off of it. Tried to boot the > computer (to get the files off of the drive) but it wouldn't POST, and I > wouldn't even get a video signal from the video card. Here's the similar > part: it wouldn't power off when I pressed the power button! > Any time you hear a drive kicking or klunking it is dead or will be shortly. At that point you could try getting info off it but it probably won't work. It may not even be advisable to do this at that point. At any rate pull the dive or let it set there turned off. The point is to cool the drive. Some people even stick them in the freezer:) Let it set for a day or so at least. Then see if the drive will boot. If you get in be prepared to peel what info you want as quick as you can. > After several phone calls to the manufacturer, I sent the motherboard in > for warranty repair. It's a long story, but after $30 in phone calls, > shipping the motherboard to them TWICE, and being without my computer for > three months, they finally sent me my repaired motherboard. It turns out > that a few resistors were fried. I really think the bad hard drive damaged > the motherboard. I haven't connected it to any other motherboards yet, and > am reluctant to do so unless it's an old 386 that I don't mind losing. > I'm not going to say that the HD can't fry the motherboard. But for that to happen I would think the HD would have to store enough energy to fry the motherboard and send this energy at the motherboard. I've dealt with several dying HD's. I usually play with them for a while and have never had one fry a board. On the other hand I have had a power serge that took the board, memory, power supply and HD. Everything else was fine. BTW even if a computer is on a surge protector it can still fry. Some thoughts. Good luck with the drive:) kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
RE: [techtalk] Debian
You should just be able to do an "apt-get install task-kde" after the update. That will install KDE and the needed support files. Jason -Original Message- From: Raven Nock-my-bow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Rachel Andrew Subject: Re: [techtalk] Debian Heya -- > Yet I can't install a window manager, I'd really like kde, but when I > try and use apt-get it doesnt work. Ooh, I just got done with this one myself, actually. I have yet to find a good how-to for it; maybe I'll write one. [grin] Two important things -- what distribution of Debian are you using, and what version of KDE do you want? I'd recommend going for KDE 2 over KDE 1.x. On my system, I installed KDE 2 onto my recently-upgraded potato. /etc/apt/sources.list should contain: deb http://kde.tdyc.com potato main crypto kde2 qt1apps optional If you omit the qt1apps, you can't get some of the dependent libraries. You can safely leave off optional, but you won't be able to get some of the cool packages. I have no idea what order you're supposed to install things in. Add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update (took about 10 minutes on my machine) apt-get install kde* threw up a bunch of errors for me, but those errors generally told me what packages I needed to get. Task-kde seemed to be all the KDE programs I know and love, and task-kde-devel seemed to be many of the dependent libraries. I also had to upgrade my Perl and Python libraries. Try installing the packages that is says you don't have. Ignore conflicts with kdebase-it, kdebase-fr, etc., unless you actually need Italian, French, etc. support. (There are about a million language versions -- I'm running KDE just fine without them.) Once you've gotten all the packages, add startkde to your .xsession and remove any other window managers (assuming you're not doing that funky WindowMaker/KDE mix thing) if you're using xdm to start X. Otherwise, just invoke KDE manually when you start X. If you get errors, post 'em to the list and I'll help if I can. Anyone else know a less messy way of doing this? Cheers, Raven = "May you live in interesting times, May you get everything you ask for, And may you come to the attention of those in power." -- ancient Chinese curses __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Re; Help with hardware woes?
It's alive!!! When Kent sent out his re;, I'd tried everything in his text except I was awaiting a new processor from Dell. Sure enough, the new processor did the trick. On the one hand, it's so much easier on my fragile newbie ego to be able to jiggle a cable and have all be right with the universe. On the other hand, I learn volumes from major hidden problems like this that take me on lengthy journeys through the hardware jungle and back. I always come out feeling like I've moved up a step on the geek ladder! Thanks all for the tips and hand-holding. - Mary; The PC Goddess is feeling powerful again! ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Re; Help with hardware woes?
On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:46:01PM -0700, Wood, Mary wrote: > It's alive!!! > > When Kent sent out his re;, I'd tried everything in his > text except I was awaiting a new processor from Dell. > Sure enough, the new processor did the trick. On the > one hand, it's so much easier on my fragile newbie ego > to be able to jiggle a cable and have all be right with > the universe. On the other hand, I learn volumes from > major hidden problems like this that take me on lengthy > journeys through the hardware jungle and back. I always > come out feeling like I've moved up a step on the geek > ladder! > > Thanks all for the tips and hand-holding. > Glad you got it solved:) I would really take a close look at the CPU fan if it has one. That might have been what killed the last one. Sometimes they will work intermittently and fool you. Course that might not be it at all:) kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
