[techtalk] Re: SMP on Linux (lockups)
Hi, all. Actually, I'd be interested in some of those theories because I've been experiencing really nasty random lock-ups also. However, I'm not running an SMP box - just a AMD K6II 450 on a new Asus Socket 7. I have Mandrake 7.1 and almost exclusively use KDE. I have a small LAN, just this Linux box and two Windows boxen networked through a hub and using Samba. At first I thought it might have something to do with the network settings, but it isn't consistent. Then I thought it might have to do with X-server crashes, but why should it crash? Another theory had to do with Netscape (which I hate but, like everyone else, use), but the lock-ups occur when Netscape isn't open, too. I don't have anything weird on my machine, either. Yet sometimes everything will freeze solid - Ctrl-Alt-Backspace won't restart X, nothing on the keyboard works, the mouse (just a normal PS/2 mouse - MS wheel that doesn't scroll in Linux) is frozen, etc., etc. My reset button on the box itself does work, but of course hard reboots are just horrible for Linux. Also, like Jamie suggested, I thought heat might be the problem so I bought another fan for the case and it is nice and cool in there. However, I had a lock-up first thing this morning when I wasn't doing *anything*. I just can't seem to find a reason, commonality, etc. for these miserable freezes. I've searched in /var/log, but can't find any mention of what made Linux die (maybe I'm looking in the wrong log? I'm a Linux newbie). Anyone have any ideas? Thanks for listening :-). Regards, Malke -- Elephant Boy Computers www.elephantboycomputers.com "Don't Panic" ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Not using Netscape (was Re: [techtalk] Re: SMP on Linux (lockups))
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 08:36:48AM -0700 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, malke thought: > Another theory had to do with Netscape (which I hate but, > like everyone else, use), but > > Regards, > > Malke Let's see now... email:- muttwww.mutt.orgText based, very nice News :- pan www.superpimp.org Asks one or two too many questions though www :- galeon www.sourceforge.net A bit alpha still but nice. Understands wheel mice too! I still need a point and drool^H^H^H^H^Hclick IMAP aware mail client though. kmail is nice I'm told but is pop only. Any suggestions? eh? eh? eh? -- Conor Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Domestic Sysadmin :-) ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
RE: Not using Netscape (was Re: [techtalk] Re: SMP on Linux (lockups))
The new builds of Mozilla are getting very good. I've switched to it as my standard browser now. Check out a new nightly build. It also has a full featured IMAP mail client. Jason -Original Message- From: Conor Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Not using Netscape (was Re: [techtalk] Re: SMP on Linux (lockups)) On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 08:36:48AM -0700 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, malke thought: > Another theory had to do with Netscape (which I hate but, > like everyone else, use), but > > Regards, > > Malke Let's see now... email:- muttwww.mutt.orgText based, very nice News :- pan www.superpimp.org Asks one or two too many questions though www :- galeon www.sourceforge.net A bit alpha still but nice. Understands wheel mice too! I still need a point and drool^H^H^H^H^Hclick IMAP aware mail client though. kmail is nice I'm told but is pop only. Any suggestions? eh? eh? eh? -- Conor Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Domestic Sysadmin :-) ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: Not using Netscape (was Re: [techtalk] Re: SMP on Linux (lock ups))
> The new builds of Mozilla are getting very good. I've switched to it as my
> standard browser now. Check out a new nightly build. It also has a full
> featured IMAP mail client.
>
> Jason
I've found Mozilla to run dog slow on my machine (P200MMX; 64MB RAM) ... has
its speed improved in the newer builds?
Chris...
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RE: Not using Netscape (was Re: [techtalk] Re: SMP on Linux (lock ups))
Yes, very much in the last couple of weeks. Give it a try.
Jason
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> The new builds of Mozilla are getting very good. I've switched to it as
my
> standard browser now. Check out a new nightly build. It also has a full
> featured IMAP mail client.
>
> Jason
I've found Mozilla to run dog slow on my machine (P200MMX; 64MB RAM) ... has
its speed improved in the newer builds?
Chris...
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Re: Not using Netscape (was Re: [techtalk] Re: SMP on Linux (lock ups))
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 04:36:40PM -0400 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, Angela Nash thought: > The new builds of Mozilla are getting very good. I've switched to it as my > standard browser now. Check out a new nightly build. It also has a full > featured IMAP mail client. Is this a seperate program or does it work just like in netscape (ie. you must load the browser to load the mail client)? > > I still need a point and drool^H^H^H^H^Hclick IMAP aware mail client > though. kmail is nice I'm told but is pop only. > > Any suggestions? eh? eh? eh? > -- Conor Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Domestic Sysadmin :-) ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: Not using Netscape (was Re: [techtalk] Re: SMP on Linux (lock ups))
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000, Conor Daly wrote: >Is this a seperate program or does it work just like in netscape (ie. you >must load the browser to load the mail client)? You can set in the preferences if you want the mailer or the browser to pop up when you start Mozilla. You can also give the "-mail" option on the command line. TTFN Andy ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: Not using Netscape (was Re: [techtalk] Re: SMP on Linux (lock ups))
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 09:57:58PM +0100 or thereabouts, Chris J/#6 wrote: > > > The new builds of Mozilla are getting very good. I've switched to it as my > > standard browser now. Check out a new nightly build. It also has a full > > featured IMAP mail client. > > > > Jason > > I've found Mozilla to run dog slow on my machine (P200MMX; 64MB RAM) ... has > its speed improved in the newer builds? Depends what 'slow' you mean. We have just graduated from a 28.8k modem to cablemodem (woo!). So everything on the net seems incredibly fast now! (Except sourceforge, but that's now usable rather than impossible.) It now takes me a few minutes to download a nightly mozilla instead of a few hours (I jest not) so I have been doing so. I can't comment on speed of 'getting info and turning it into something visible' because I have no comparisons: since getting the cable modem I've been using mozilla, and mozilla-on-cablemodem versus netscape-on-28.8 is not really useful :) I also don't use it as a mailer or newsreader, only as a browser. It seems a little slow to redraw when it has spawned a few new windows and I start moving them around on top of each other or when I flip to the workspace that has mozilla on it -- but that could have been the twenty dialogue boxes underneath it from something else that were getting redrawn with it :) And if you have that sidebar thing switched on so that all the google results for something are listed in it and you start bouncing back and forth between google and sites it found, the cursor stays slightly different (the "resize this window" sort of cursor?) for an annoying period of time before you can click on things. Other than that, it seems entirely usable to me. Definitely compared with earlier versions. The most recent milestone I used was M14 or M15, I think. And it would eventually (over a few hours) leak a lot of memory even if I wasn't doing much with it. It's not doing that now. In fact, it's being extremely reasonable. (No nice numbers here, this is my considered "just feels that way and top tells me nice things" opinion, that's all.) general impression.) I imagine they've been cleaning up memory leaks a lot or something. It works with my proxy, it hasn't garbled my preferences. The log produced by running "./mozilla 2>&1 > moz-log" shows far fewer surreal messages. And it's coping with almost all sites (including some the most recent milestone allegedly couldn't show) except for the evil www.dyson.com, which appears designed to send all browsers into a frenzy of thrashing: I pointed mozilla there and suddenly I was wading through treacle to get to 'top' and kill it before it killed everything else. It got up to 20MB in about a minute before I armed myself with the 'k' key and did something about it. This is a K6 with 64MB RAM, RH 6.1, GNOME almost-1.2, with lots of gnome-terminals and lynx sessions (don't laugh, I like it still) and the occasional game; but no file manager or pixmap themes or anything. So: if you have a fast link, it's worth grabbing a nightly build and checking it out. If not, well: it's certainly worth a two minute download. I am not convinced it's worth a two-hour download when a milestone must be coming out soon -- but the next milestone might be :) Telsa ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
