[techtalk] *nix comparisons
Telsa Gwynne wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 09:23:38PM -0700 or thereabouts, Julia Coolman wrote: > > Kind folks: > > One of the *BSD people was explaining the updating process to me > at LinuxTag. What has long put me off is the same reason I keep > delaying Debian: you either wait for a new CD or you do big upgrades > over the net via CVS checkout. I have a titchy modem. Apparently > this is ameliorated for at least the BSD flavour he was talking > about (which I forget) by periodic (daily?) deltas being made of > the CVS differences so you can grab those, which is apparently faster. but *BSD tends in general to update things like the kernel far less than Linux; the reasons why come down to design philosophy and what the BSD kernels are attempting to do (the initial 4.2 BSD-Lite was basically released to provide the world with a free, open-source, stable BSD codebase). maybe two releases a year or so (this is part of why the BSDs tend to be more secure than Linux); other than that, you really only need to update/download software that you use a /lot/ or that you care to keep current, and security fixes -- which is really no different than what you'd be doing on a Linux. there aren't daily/weekly/monthly kernel releases that you need to keep up with, and the ports collection works fine for most of the rest. (you can also get CDs with 'snapshots' of the ports and packages collections on them, if you really need a certain piece of software). as someone who's used both *BSD and Linux, i'd say that linux is actually harder to keep up with if you want a bleeding-edge-current release. (ie, installing every single new kernel release as it comes out). cvs-upping can be a pain, but it's a very infrequent pain and not as bad as downloading new kernels over a titchy modem. :) > I would think the most immediate UI difference after installation is > package management: you have the BSD 'make world' versus RH and others' > rpm, Debian and others' apt-get install and Slack and others' tarballs. ehhh... i think the ports collection is about as easy to use as apt-get, if not easier. it's a very similar concept, anyway. another UI difference is that Linux is sort-of-SysVish and BSD is... well... BSD. the device names are different (i hate this. SysV does have much better device names), the way init works is different, the layout of /etc and /var are quite a bit different -- i'd say the SysV-vs-BSD problem is about the biggest UI difference, especially if you have to administate the box. getting over expecting the first ethernet device to be /dev/eth0 and then finding out it could be something like /dev/cp0 or /dev/en0 or /dev/ne1k depending on your NIC can be very disconcerting. ditto fixed and removeable drives. > If you're a "power user" when it comes to the shell, I suppose the > bash (Linux) and ash (BSD) differences might bite you when you're > not expecting it. The only clever things in the shell I use are > ^A/^P etc for line-editing, backticks, and changing window titles > with escape codes, so I don't worry about that kind of thing too much :) you can install bash on FreeBSD trivially, as part of a standard install. :) fairly easily on Open and Net as well. all my *BSD boxen have bash as the default user shell. :) i'm suprised no one seems to have brought up Solaris x86. the last time i gave it a try i decided it was really primitive, but apparently the recent versions have improved greatly. anyone have any (recent) experience with it? ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Sendmail woes
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 05:30:26PM -0700 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, Jeff Frasca thought... > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Lilly S. wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I was wondering if someone can help me. I have over 50 emails in queue > > (from from last week), and none of them are budging. i was trying to tweak > > sendmail, and I think I broke it. I got it to run finally last week, but I > > Tweaked Sendmail? Does that mean messing with the config file? > *shudders at the thought* > Nice sendmail setup proggie available at www.linux.ie/downloads/index.html called Install_sendmail Written by Donncha O'Caoimh, it allows you to set up stuff like spoofing from your internal network to your external email addresses, Download mail from POP servers and redirect it to the network users, set up queuing for those of us who *still* have only dial-up internet access. Oohh lots of things!... All in perl (I think) so those fortunate enough to understand perl can have a read and try to figure out how it works! -- Conor Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Domestic Sysadmin :-) ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] LI error and getting back into Linux....
I just installed Mandrake 7.1 and it loaded and everything but when it restarted my puter it gave me an LI so I just used a dos startup disk and did fdisk \mbr so I got back into windows is there any way I can get into linux now? thanx -= [EMAIL PROTECTED] =- -= Megan McGuire =- -= http://eliet.ntsj.com =- ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] LI error and getting back into Linux....
Well, if you made a linux boot diskette at startup (mandrake asks if you want to during the installation time, iirc), you can just boot into that, and then you can run the lilo installer and make a fresh lilo MBR (so to speak) with the command 'lilo' after you log in. If you did not make a boot diskette, I'm at a loss as to how you can fix your situation. If this is the case, I'm sorry... Robert Wade On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Megan McGuire wrote: > I just installed Mandrake 7.1 and it loaded and everything but when it > restarted my puter it gave me an LI so I just used a dos startup disk and > did fdisk \mbr so I got back into windows is there any way I can get into > linux now? > thanx > -= [EMAIL PROTECTED] =- > -= Megan McGuire =- > -= http://eliet.ntsj.com =- > > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] LI error and getting back into Linux....
Hi! On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 09:34:41PM -0700, Megan McGuire wrote: > I just installed Mandrake 7.1 and it loaded and everything but when it > restarted my puter it gave me an LI so I just used a dos startup disk and > did fdisk \mbr so I got back into windows is there any way I can get into > linux now? Boot from a linux rescue disk and mount your local filesystem then you can try to install lilo again (it might be that your linux partition is over the 1024 cylinder limit so you cannot boot from it) You can find a rescue disk system at http://www.toms.net/rb/ the tomsrtbt. With this you might be able to start your linux system again. Regards, Eva -- Eva Fenrich Fachschaft Umweltschutztechnik FachschaftsvertreterInnenversammlung Universitaet Stuttgart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Non quia difficilia sunt non audemus, sed quia non audemus difficilia sunt. L.A. Seneca ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk