Re: [techtalk] Screen colours :-)
Yellow on black is a big win for me. After 15 years I still prefer it. .Tami .signature: syntax error at line 1: `(' unexpected [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] Installing New rpms using COAS
Hello All; I'm trying to install some new apps under Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 using KDE's COAS and keep getting dependency errors. Here's a sample of the error message I get... need libc.so.6(GLIB_2.0) I think this is referring to some C libraries? Where can I find these for download? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] career/family question
Hi, newbie delurking. :) And I have a sort of general question for an issue I'm struggling with right now. I'm a programmer, my husband is a sysadmin; we're 22. I've recently realized that most of the pressure I'm feeling is due to the expectation that the woman takes care of the bills and cleaning and pets and appointments and meeting the fix-it people, etc. It fell toward that with us because he was working full time, and I was working part time at a lower salary. Also he often had to work weekends and evenings with server upgrades and maintenance, as well as working all weekdays; and thus had less time available than me. We're not much into tradition for its own sake; but things are still tending that direction. Now... we've considered getting a cleaning service to come take care of basic housework; and another service (whose name I can't spell) to take care of letting service people in to work on appliances and such. But I feel oddly uncomfortable with that solution, like it means I'm not doing a good job of making a home and stuff. But I don't really understand why that makes me uncomfortable as much as it does. We planned previously that someday when we had kids, he'd take care of them, and I'd work to support us both. We don't have kids yet, just two cats. But things feel awkward and I'm having trouble getting words for it. So basically my question is... if you have dealt with a related situation... how did you feel, how did you resolve it, what ideas or suggestions can you provide? I just got hired full time so I'm under a little pressure to figure out what I want to do. My husband will probably be supportive but he's just not good at things like remembering to pay bills, feed himself, go to sleep on time, organize stuff... (sort of classic hardcore geek). Jenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Installing New rpms using COAS
#if [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hello All; > > I'm trying to install some new apps under Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 using KDE's > COAS and keep getting dependency errors. > Here's a sample of the error message I get... > need libc.so.6(GLIB_2.0) > I think this is referring to some C libraries? > Where can I find these for download? > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks I have a feeling it is looking for glibc 2.0 while I would guess perhaps your version is 2.1 You can check this by doing 'rpm -q libc'. On my (SuSE 6.3) system this gives: libc-2.1.2-24 So I'm using 2.1. If this is what your problem is you can either: a) use the --nodeps option to rpm (don't know how to do this from COAS as I haven't used it) or b) Install glibc version 2.0 from your CD, if it exists. It should in theory sit side-by-side with 2.1 and work. Personally I'd just install with --nodeps (= ignore dependencies). I have installed a few packages that claim to need 2.0 but work fine with 2.1. Rik -- Mix codes. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
#if Jenny Brown (was Gable) [...] > Now... we've considered getting a cleaning service to come take care of > basic housework; and another service (whose name I can't spell) to take > care of letting service people in to work on appliances and such. > > But I feel oddly uncomfortable with that solution, like it means > I'm not doing a good job of making a home and stuff. But I don't > really understand why that makes me uncomfortable as much as it does. > We planned previously that someday when we had kids, he'd take care > of them, and I'd work to support us both. We don't have kids yet, just > two cats. But things feel awkward and I'm having trouble getting words > for it. Well I'd guess the reason it makes you uncomfortable is something you already know, seeing as you said "like it means I'm not doing a good job..." In Victorian days, it was common in England to have a "maid of all work." I don't know when people started being uncomfortable with the concept. I think that once you've had someone doing some household stuff for you for a while you'll get used to it. Think of it this way: If you stay at home your income is less and you don't have any independence. If you go to work you can afford to pay someone to do stuff for you, so why not ? Ok, personally I'd find it quite embarassing to have someone clean for me. I live in a house where a cleaner comes once a week and I'm usually in. I spend most of my time then talking to her and distracting her from her work. I feel a bit embarrassed about watching her clean :) Thinking of it the other way around though, she normally does home-help stuff, which means looking after old people and cleaning their dirty houses (I can say that because my great uncle is one of those old people and he's a real slob.) She looks forward to coming to my house (so she tells me) because it's easier and better paid work than she's used to, and she gets to talk to me 8) Also think about the other services you use. Off the top of my head, I can think of plenty. Someone cleans our windows. Someone takes our rubbish away. Someone brings us milk every morning. The streets are kept free from litter. When a car needs servicing it goes to a garage. You use services like these but yet it's still embarrassing to employ a cleaner. So, just let your conscience be a little flexible and see how it works out. You can always change your mind but I think you'll find that coming home to a clean house and being able to spend your free time as you wish ends up feeling like your right. After all, why do we bother going to work ? To get money to allow us to survive while we get on with the rest of our lives. Rik p.s. Yes I know some people work because they just love it. Personally I'd rather be on a beach, but that's just me being a lazy hedonist, or a bum, whichever suits. -- Negotiate identity. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
I'm thinking I'd like to convert my mail server and laptop from SuSE to Mandrake. Mandrake has better/easier to use configuration (chkconfig) and security settings/options. It's also compiled for 586's and above, yielding speed improvements. So the big question is how do I do it. I have partitions /tmp, /var, /home (/usr/src is a softlink to inside /home), /boot and /. So it seems I have to worry primarily about "/" and "/var". I sorta dread the idea of re-setting back up the mail stuff and host configuration, but I'm sorta thinking I may have to scratch / and /var because even an upgrade from RH61 (supposedly compatible) to MDK 7.0 resulted in alot of services not coming up due to errors (including networking). Fortunately that was on a scratch machine, so I could just mkfs and start over; icky idea, though, on my mail, source and build machine. I think one thing that pissed my off about SuSE was it's non-standard setup stuff -- putting all the scripts under /sbin/rc.d instead of in /etc. But then, to make it worse, they have a README about their startup philosophy that talked about 'init' being the *father* of all processes. I've always called it the parent process -- assigning a gender to a process just seems downright silly -- processes use fission to reproduce. It's an asexual process. Anyway, the father thing bugged me. Ideas on conversion? There is a linux filesystem hierarchy standard and I'll just bet SuSE doesn't conform. thanks, -linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] 1st time adding a modem to linux.
Hi, Thanks a lot for all the responses.. Getting all this help is really cool. Here are some answers to your questions. --Um.. Why are you using 'uart 16450' ? IIRC that's for old, slow --serial ports and new machines should have 16550. I have a program called 'CheckIt' and it tells me that the modem's UART is 16540. That's the only reason I used that number. My modem's specifications don't refer to a UART at all. --It's a pci modem, so it should get an irq given to it --automagically unless you play with your BIOS. This means you --just have to find it :) There's a file "/proc/pci" which tells me it's on irq 5 now and that it's first i/o address is something like 0xe40. I've tried these with setserial to no avail. --What other serial devices do you have ? I have no other serial devices and both serial ports are disabled so the com1&2 ports and irq's3&4 are free. --There is, of course, the possibility it's a 'winmodem' but I --don't know which modems are and aren't. The manufacturer doesn't refer to the modem as a 'winmodem'. But it could still be incompatible with linux.. I've spent hours trying to find out but I can't come to a conclusion from the information I've gathered. --cua refers to a callout device. What's a callout device? --(IMHO hardware modems will ALWAYS be much better)USR --all the way! What's IMHO? :) Excuse my ignorance. :( Thanks for all the URL's !! I will look at them tonight and let you know what I find. byw, I was kindof wondering whether or not "Ji" is a male or female name. ;) later.. -- Tania Morell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.shadow.net/~tania [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
I was once in a relationship a tiny bit similar to yours. My ex-boyfriend was a SysAdmin and I was a programmer up until I broke up with him 2 months ago (which happened because of reasons totally unrelated to this topic). We lived one hour apart but whenever he'd come and stay a few days, I would cook, wash the dishes, mop the floor, make the bed, do the chores, AND clean up after him as well (he can be a slob). I hated not having ALL that time to do whatever I wanted or just to sit by him to talk or just watch tv together. I did the cleaning and all that because 1) I had a BIG subconcious need to show him how good of a housekeeper I can be, and 2) I hate living in filth and having to step over dirty clothes on the floor, and I HATE wet towels on the bed! Anyway, even though I loved him, I wouldn't have wanted that to become an everyday affair. I know he wouldn't have taken 50% responsibilities and my time is extremely limited. He, too, was 100% a geek with nothing but SysAdmin t-shirts and hockey on his mind and a lot of (notice I said "a lot of" and not "all") guys are really of a different mindset than girls and good housekeeping is way low on their list of priorities. Go with the cleaning service and feel confident that you'll be getting used to that in no time at all. As it is, I wish I could afford that now for myself. I'm a Unix SysAdmin now, and with all the learning and work I have ahead of me, I hate wasting my little time on laundry, cooking, and cleaning. It's a pain. -- Tania Morell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.shadow.net/~tania [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
Hey Linda, Just an opinion not really an answer. Why go with Mandrake? Yeah the kernel is optimized for Pentium and greater, this is something you could do for yourself. It's not to hard and if you have the docs in front of you it makes it a little easier. Mandrake, again just my opinion, is the Microsoft of Linux. Yeah they've got 'pretty'graphical config utils, but they release products that are almost completely broken. Bad sym links, incorrect dep's, services not ready to run 'out of the box' etc. Plus their supposed compatibility with RH is just that, supposed. I would recomend RH, Debian, Caldera before I would Mandrake. Even Slack which is still the hackers linux. My $.02. Harry On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Linda Walsh wrote: > I'm thinking I'd like to convert my mail server > and laptop from SuSE to Mandrake. Mandrake has better/easier to use > configuration (chkconfig) and security settings/options. It's also > compiled for 586's and above, yielding speed improvements. > > So the big question is how do I do it. I have partitions /tmp, /var, /home > (/usr/src is a softlink to inside /home), /boot and /. > > So it seems I have to worry primarily about "/" and "/var". > > I sorta dread the idea of re-setting back up the mail stuff and host > configuration, but I'm sorta thinking I may have to scratch / and /var > because even an upgrade from RH61 (supposedly compatible) to MDK 7.0 resulted > in alot of services not coming up due to errors (including networking). > Fortunately that was on a scratch machine, so I could just mkfs and > start over; icky idea, though, on my mail, source and build machine. > > I think one thing that pissed my off about SuSE was it's non-standard > setup stuff -- putting all the scripts under /sbin/rc.d instead of in > /etc. But then, to make it worse, they have a README about their startup > philosophy that talked about 'init' being the *father* of all processes. > I've always called it the parent process -- assigning a gender to a process > just seems downright silly -- processes use fission to reproduce. It's > an asexual process. Anyway, the father thing bugged me. > > Ideas on conversion? There is a linux filesystem hierarchy standard and > I'll just bet SuSE doesn't conform. > > thanks, > -linda > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] 1st time adding a modem to linux.
Hey Tania, > I have a program called 'CheckIt' and it tells me that the modem's UART > is 16540. That's the only reason I used that number. My modem's > specifications don't refer to a UART at all. If it's a pci modem I have some trouble believing that 'CheckIt' is telling the truth. I don't know the program so I can't say for sure. > > There's a file "/proc/pci" which tells me it's on irq 5 now and that > it's first i/o address is something like 0xe40. I've tried these > with setserial to no avail. Then the above IRQ,IO would be io=0xe400 irq=5 > --There is, of course, the possibility it's a 'winmodem' but I > --don't know which modems are and aren't. Who makes the modem? Also, check out linmodems.com(?)net Someone posted. > --cua refers to a callout device. > > What's a callout device? A callout device is in ye olde Unix days I device that would initiate a call outbound as opposed to a call inbound (terminal). So each device had it's counterpart. ie=> /dev/cua0 /dev/ttyS0(?) Anyway if you had a modem listening on /dev/ttyS0 then the program would have to break the lock file and initiate a new one on /dev/cua0. Not all programs looked for both devices, you can imagine how confusing this would become. They finally adopted a standard for it. > > --(IMHO hardware modems will ALWAYS be much better)USR > --all the way! > > What's IMHO? :) Excuse my ignorance. :( In My Humble Opinion > HTH, Harry PS=> think I got the second device wrong, it's been a while since I used the old /dev/ entries so it might actually be something like pty0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] 1st time adding a modem to linux.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2000 at 08:28:31PM -0500, Tania M. Morell wrote: > Hi, Hello.. this is my first post to the list, but I'll get my introduction done later ;) > > Thanks a lot for all the responses.. Getting all this help is really > cool. Here are some answers to your questions. <> > > --cua refers to a callout device. > > What's a callout device? /dev/cua* used to be used for modems which would be used to ``callout'' to other boxen, like your ISP. This was back in the grand old days of Linux 2.0.xx, since then, with the latest stable releases, ttyS* handles *all* serial line stuff, so you would use it as the mouse/modem/etc device file. > > --(IMHO hardware modems will ALWAYS be much better)USR > --all the way! > > What's IMHO? :) Excuse my ignorance. :( In My Humble Opinion. You might also see IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion, I tend to use this one.. ;). When you miss terms like that one, the jargon file might be helpful (online dictionary of all the funny terms many of us use, including those acronyms). Here's the URL: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/index.html > Thanks for all the URL's !! I will look at them tonight and let you > know what I find. Go try minicom again, too. When you get the main screen, hit 'Alt-z' and then 'e', this will turn the local echo on. Clear the modem, and then play around a bit :), it really is a fun program. > > byw, I was kindof wondering whether or not "Ji" is a male or female > name. ;) Couldn't tell ya. -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Linda Walsh wrote: > /etc. But then, to make it worse, they have a README about their startup > philosophy that talked about 'init' being the *father* of all processes. I can't say anything about the relative strengths of SuSE v Madrake, but as far as the sexism of the naming conventions goes, I would cut them a little slack - German can be sexist language, and I think that is simply reflected in their documentation. In general, they do a very good job. > I've always called it the parent process -- assigning a gender to a process > just seems downright silly -- processes use fission to reproduce. It's > an asexual process. Anyway, the father thing bugged me. > Jeannette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
#if Tania M. Morell > used to that in no time at all. As it is, I wish I could afford that > now for myself. I'm a Unix SysAdmin now, and with all the learning and > work I have ahead of me, I hate wasting my little time on laundry, > cooking, and cleaning. It's a pain. All this learning ahead of you will probably include: 1) Learning that you can get away with not ironing clothes if you're careful in your choice of material and remember not to sleep in them. 2) Leaning that cooking is something they do on TV. Sysadmins don't watch TV, so by day we have a liquid lunch. By night we eat whatever will come to us, which usually means the curry house that's open latest. 3) Learning that cleanliness is next to impossible. 4) Learning that 'killall' works differently on Real Unices. Rik p.s. :P -- Dip into nihilism. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
#if Linda Walsh > I'm thinking I'd like to convert my mail server > and laptop from SuSE to Mandrake. Mandrake has better/easier to use > configuration (chkconfig) and security settings/options. It's also > compiled for 586's and above, yielding speed improvements. > > So the big question is how do I do it. I have partitions /tmp, /var, /home > (/usr/src is a softlink to inside /home), /boot and /. Back up your config files, i.e. /etc and your personal rc files. Then you get to read them when you're playing with your new dist. Nothing worse than losing your .vimrc, .muttrc and .zshrc. > I think one thing that pissed my off about SuSE was it's non-standard > setup stuff -- putting all the scripts under /sbin/rc.d instead of in > /etc. But then, to make it worse, they have a README about their startup > philosophy that talked about 'init' being the *father* of all processes. > I've always called it the parent process -- assigning a gender to a process > just seems downright silly -- processes use fission to reproduce. It's > an asexual process. Anyway, the father thing bugged me. You'd wipe out your whole system because some SuSE employee followed tradition and called init 'the father of all processes' ? Sed that file and be happy. Seriously, there is _very_little_point_ wiping out a system to install a new one. They're so similar that you'll wonder why you bothered. I have to do this every few months because I test SuSE for SuSE and it's a pain in the arse. Now I have got used to doing it and know what to back up, but it's not fun. Assuming that pentium-optimised binaries will give you a speed improvement is a fallacy. Binaries and libraries will be larger, so you'll pay with disk space and load time. Energy may not be created nor destroyed :) BTW, SuSE link /sbin/rc.d to /etc/rc.d so there's no real difference. Not one that would make be wipe out a drive. BTW again, SuSE provide excellent security scripts these days. Check out what's on your CD. You can 'harden' your system very easily. They provide a 'firewall' script which, while not exactly a proper firewall setup, does give you a good start in setting one up. If you're really bothered about security, then you can sort it out quite quickly. If your host only does mail, only open ports for SMTP and (possibly) POP3, IMAP4 etc. Run qmail instead of sendmail and be happy. Rik -- Question what belongs on the inside. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] 1st time adding a modem to linux.
#if Tania M. Morell > I have a program called 'CheckIt' and it tells me that the modem's UART > is 16540. That's the only reason I used that number. My modem's > specifications don't refer to a UART at all. Right. It doesn't use your machine's UART things because it is internal, not connected to a serial port. > There's a file "/proc/pci" which tells me it's on irq 5 now and that > it's first i/o address is something like 0xe40. I've tried these > with setserial to no avail. Ok, this is a good start. You now need to check your boot messages. Z ~/work/cvs/kdepim/empath > dmesg | grep '^ttyS' ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A That's my mouse on ttyS0 (COM1) and my modem has taken ttyS1. You should check in your BIOS that you have set at least some of your PCI slots to be 'AUTO' rather than user-specified. Sorry, I can't explain much because I don't understand myself :) You should have a screen which allows you to look at a list of IRQs and decide whether they're allocated automatically or fixed. Bah, I wish I knew what I was talking about. I don't _do_ hardware :) Anyway, by default this stuff should be handled automatically. > I have no other serial devices and both serial ports are disabled so the > com1&2 ports and irq's3&4 are free. That's good. > --There is, of course, the possibility it's a 'winmodem' but I > --don't know which modems are and aren't. > > The manufacturer doesn't refer to the modem as a 'winmodem'. But it > could still be incompatible with linux.. I've spent hours trying to > find out but I can't come to a conclusion from the information I've > gathered. If it doesn't actually say 'winmodem' on the box anywhere then you can be a bit more optimistic. Still, you'll have to check with the websites that were pointed to etc. > --cua refers to a callout device. > > What's a callout device? It's just a normal port with a different name, but it's supposed to be used to allow certain users to dial out (=call out) while those that want to dial in will get the ttyS devices. Someone in their great wisdom (ITO) (see below) decided that we didn't need these anymore because there were other ways of restricting users to dialling either in or out. So, they're 'deprecated' but they hang around. > --(IMHO hardware modems will ALWAYS be much better)USR > --all the way! > > What's IMHO? :) Excuse my ignorance. :( In My Humble Opinion. Also: IMO -> In My Opinion. IMNSHO -> In My Not So Humble Opinion. IMVHO -> In My Very Humble Opinion. IYHO -> In Your Humble Opinion. ad infinitum. If you don't know, guess. You're probably right. Took me years to find out what LOL and ROTFL meant. If you don't know, guess :P Rik -- Rework what others have exhausted. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
I would have to second that assesment. Shad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hey Linda, > Just an opinion not really an answer. Why go with Mandrake? Yeah the > kernel is optimized for Pentium and greater, this is something you could > do for yourself. It's not to hard and if you have the docs in front of you > it makes it a little easier. > Mandrake, again just my opinion, is the Microsoft of Linux. Yeah they've > got 'pretty'graphical config utils, but they release products that are > almost completely broken. Bad sym links, incorrect dep's, services not > ready to run 'out of the box' etc. Plus their supposed compatibility with > RH is just that, supposed. I would recomend RH, Debian, Caldera before I > would Mandrake. Even Slack which is still the hackers linux. > My $.02. > Harry -- "Fear is the foundation of obedience." Vladimir Lenin "Without fanaticism one cannot accomplish anything." Evita Peron "...in order to punish less often, punish more severely." Napoleon Bonaparte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
On Mon, Feb 14, 2000 at 05:23:49PM -0800, Linda Walsh wrote: > I'm thinking I'd like to convert my mail server > and laptop from SuSE to Mandrake. Mandrake has better/easier to use > configuration (chkconfig) and security settings/options. It's also > compiled for 586's and above, yielding speed improvements. From what I've heard, having everything compiled native 586 isn't all that great of a speed improvement. You'd get more out of recompiling the kernel to 586 native, and then recompiling some of the more often used components with heavy optimization, like the Xserver with -O6 or something crazy like that ;) I haven't played with chkconfig, but then again, I'm a purist, my favorit config program is vim. > > So the big question is how do I do it. I have partitions /tmp, /var, /home > (/usr/src is a softlink to inside /home), /boot and /. Hmm, I would heavily suggest backing up. Other than that, I have no suggestions. I'm going to be doing a massive reinstall of my machine (heavily upgraded SuSE 5.3 install to SuSE 6.3), my tactic is to install to a new harddrive and then migrate away from the old harddrive (moving the configuration files, my home directory, my source code, the webpage, etc). It'll get used as raw storage, but I'm in a spot where I'm getting a new drive, and I will have the option to upgrade while maintaining my working install. > > So it seems I have to worry primarily about "/" and "/var". > > I sorta dread the idea of re-setting back up the mail stuff and host > configuration, but I'm sorta thinking I may have to scratch / and /var > because even an upgrade from RH61 (supposedly compatible) to MDK 7.0 resulted > in alot of services not coming up due to errors (including networking). > Fortunately that was on a scratch machine, so I could just mkfs and > start over; icky idea, though, on my mail, source and build machine. > > I think one thing that pissed my off about SuSE was it's non-standard > setup stuff -- putting all the scripts under /sbin/rc.d instead of in This, IMHO, is a matter of taste. I like the /sbin location better. A lot of the other Unixen use /sbin (DigitalUnix -- now Tru64, Solaris, HP/UX 10). Then again, Irix and SCO both use /etc. *BSD doesn't even use inittab (they have a handful of sh scripts, /etc/rc, /etc/rc.local, /etc/rc.boot, sometimes located in /sbin). Then there are HP/UX 9 and AIX which make the SysV init act like a BSD init. Actually, you can get a BSD styled init for linux, it is called simpleinit, but I have never actually seen it used, I think Slackware was the last distrobution to use it (but I might be wrong on this). > /etc. But then, to make it worse, they have a README about their startup > philosophy that talked about 'init' being the *father* of all processes. > I've always called it the parent process -- assigning a gender to a process > just seems downright silly -- processes use fission to reproduce. It's > an asexual process. Anyway, the father thing bugged me. > > Ideas on conversion? There is a linux filesystem hierarchy standard and > I'll just bet SuSE doesn't conform. I haven't heard of one. The LSB has one in the works, but nothing yet. Besides, SuSE is a member of the LSB. As far as I can tell, SuSE doesn't have any file system quirks (I compile a lot of software myself, and I have yet to have a package that complains about anything. All the standard include/ and lib/ directories are there, and included in the include paths for GCC, and ld.so.conf). -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
RE: [techtalk] career/family question
I've recently dealt with a similar issue... I'm the sole parent of two children (ages 8 and 9). I was trying to work full time, take care of two kids, keep up with two pets, clean, do laundry, pay bills, study for these certifications (cisco) that my employer wants me to get, a long list of other boring life details, and hopefully have a few spare minutes left for a social life. On top of that, there were some very good paying weekend overtime shifts I was missing out on, because I had no sitter and absolutely no energy left. So I guess you know where my stress level was? I finally hired a housekeeper/sitter to come on Sundays. While she's there, I either go to work or hit a bookstore to study. It was weird at first, but it's really nice to not have to think about cleaning. I now have more time for my family, more time to study, and some time for friends. With the reduced stress of not having to worry about cleaning, my work performance has improved. I love it! And financially... I'll break even as long as I work one Sunday a month, so the cost isn't an issue. Definitely the smartest thing I've done in a while, and I would recommend to ANYONE. Especially us technical people who would rather tinker with our home LAN than mop the kitchen anyday *grin* I found my housekeeper through some placement agency that was listed in the classifieds. They do all the interviewing and screening, then find someone that meets your needs. And if the "regular" person isn't able to make it, they send an alternate for you. ~Michelle PS. The other linux chick in my house (Danielle, age 9) installed redhat on her own for the first time last week. I figure since I've told everyone at work about it already, I might as well post to the whole world, right? -Original Message- From: Jenny Brown (was Gable) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 5:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[techtalk] career/family question Hi, newbie delurking. :) And I have a sort of general question for an issue I'm struggling with right now. I'm a programmer, my husband is a sysadmin; we're 22. I've recently realized that most of the pressure I'm feeling is due to the expectation that the woman takes care of the bills and cleaning and pets and appointments and meeting the fix-it people, etc. It fell toward that with us because he was working full time, and I was working part time at a lower salary. Also he often had to work weekends and evenings with server upgrades and maintenance, as well as working all weekdays; and thus had less time available than me. We're not much into tradition for its own sake; but things are still tending that direction. Now... we've considered getting a cleaning service to come take care of basic housework; and another service (whose name I can't spell) to take care of letting service people in to work on appliances and such. But I feel oddly uncomfortable with that solution, like it means I'm not doing a good job of making a home and stuff. But I don't really understand why that makes me uncomfortable as much as it does. We planned previously that someday when we had kids, he'd take care of them, and I'd work to support us both. We don't have kids yet, just two cats. But things feel awkward and I'm having trouble getting words for it. So basically my question is... if you have dealt with a related situation... how did you feel, how did you resolve it, what ideas or suggestions can you provide? I just got hired full time so I'm under a little pressure to figure out what I want to do. My husband will probably be supportive but he's just not good at things like remembering to pay bills, feed himself, go to sleep on time, organize stuff... (sort of classic hardcore geek). Jenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org application/ms-tnef
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
Linda: I think some of the negative comments about Mandrake are a bit harsh, but since I'm not a technical expert I could be wrong. Also, I can't tell you anything about Mandrake as a server since I'm using it as a desktop system. However, I can comment on a few things. I don't think you'll find Mandrake's file system any more "correct" than what you already have. I base that on the fact that, 9 times out of 10, when I try to do something from a howto, it doesn't work. (I'm sure it's nothing *I'm* doing wrong. ;->) For me, the biggest problem with Mandrake is the very fact that it is optimized. Although I've generally found that Redhat apps work fine on Mandrake, some won't--only the Mandrake version will work (KDE is the most notable example). I know there are certain system files that also fit into this category. That means you have to wait for Mandrake to update the files--you can't slap in any rpm or tarball. You may find this limiting. There is some truth to the comments about odd behaviour. Recently, I wanted to upgrade Window Maker 0.60 to 0.61. I donwloaded the Mandrake version and tried to install it. The system wanted me to change 3 or 4 libraries, even though I'm using Mandrake 6.1, a recent version. Just to see what would happen, I downloaded a Redhat i386 version of Window Maker 0.61 and tried that. It went on fine without a peep of protest. If you really want a more correct distro, perhaps you should look at the latest Debian when it comes out. I intend to. Maybe then those howto's will work for me. = Glen Strom [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
#if Tania M. Morell > used to that in no time at all. As it is, I wish I could afford that > now for myself. I'm a Unix SysAdmin now, and with all the learning and > work I have ahead of me, I hate wasting my little time on laundry, > cooking, and cleaning. It's a pain. Select no-ironing clothing that is all machine washable, and in a minimal range of colours that don't leak dye (or don't show each others' colours). Separate out underwire bras, throw all rest of the washing in together into the machine. Use a washer/dryer if you want to throw washing in in the morning and come back in the evening to fold it and but it away. Use a dishwasher if feasible, otherwise put dishes into hot soapy water, walk away. Come back during a long compilation and give them a quick swipe over and dunk them in rinse water. Leave them stacked to air-dry. Arrange the house so that the place you use things is close to the place they're stored. Put things away immediately you've used them. Example: set magazine racks near reading places. Read, put book in rack. Every so often, when they're overflowing, empty the magazine racks back into the bookshelves. Cook stews. Get a packet of mince, a selection of assorted frozen veg, some pasta, and a big pot. Put all ingredients into pot, with water and herbs/spices. Simmer while writing and/or testing a class or module (depending on programming style). Check if it needs water during each compilation. Eat a bowlful, store remainder in freezer. That limits other housekeeping to dust & dirt control, basically. Which is annoying, but is also what maid services most commonly do. Jenn V. -- "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion reactor. This is women's work!" Helix, Freefall. http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/ Jenn Vesperman[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simegen.com/~jenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
> I haven't heard of one. The LSB has one in the works, but nothing yet. Besides, >SuSE is a member of the LSB. > > As far as I can tell, SuSE doesn't have any file system quirks (I compile a lot of >software myself, and I have yet to have a package that complains about anything. All >the standard include/ and lib/ directories are there, and included in the include >paths for GCC, and ld.so.conf). --- See: ftp://ftp.xopen.org/pub/lsb/test/LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.01c SuSE is non-compliant in several cases. MDK was compliant in all the cases SuSE wasn't. > Mandrake, again just my opinion, is the Microsoft of Linux. Yeah they've > got 'pretty'graphical config utils, but they release products that are > almost completely broken. Bad sym links, incorrect dep's, services not > ready to run 'out of the box' etc. Plus their supposed compatibility with > RH is just that, supposed. I would recomend RH, Debian, Caldera before I > would Mandrake. Even Slack which is still the hackers linux. --- I've installed Mandrake 7.0 and haven't noticed any problems. All services except "supermount' worked out of the box -- it failed due to lack of kernel support. I'm coming from an IRIX point of view, and before that SunOS, so I'm used to the run state info being in an /etc dir instead of the system binary dir. The chkconfig idea is lifted directly from IRIX -- so again, familiarity. How does one easily turn services on/off? Running Vi on some obscure file or having to hunt around in the rc-scripts or remove or add rc-scripts for a run-level seems error-prone. When I went to compile the kernel with the pentiumpro options, the compiler included with SuSE barfed on the first compile -- it defined some flag and passed it to a later stage but did the -D with a space after it. Mandrake comes with the hardening stuff @ install time -- out of the box. It provides all of the crypto stuff ready to rpm install -- sets up and gen's keys and turns on sshd service, gens a host key and starts it up. Cool! It also includes a more secure kernel -- with the security patch already in -- things like only letting users see their own processes, non-executable stack, etc. > Seriously, there is _very_little_point_ wiping out a system to install > a new one. They're so similar that you'll wonder why you bothered. --- 'cept that I can't just drop in RPM's from RH or MDK -- Things like the sshd RPM. I know how similar they are -- I've been running SuSE since last fall when 6.3 came out. Installed it on my laptop and my server. I've installed RH 6.1 and have that running on my desktop at work. I have mandrake 7.0 on two systems here at home. I tried to run 'linuxconf' on SuSE -- just did horrible things. If I remember I had to answer a ton of config questions for the SuSE install. When I let suseconfig touch my sendmail.cf file -- it kept taking it from functioning to non-functional -- the sendmail demons would be started, but in ps, they'd all say "rejecting connections" -- thought it was cute that they would start and then tell me they were rejecting connections and then just stay around. > Assuming that pentium-optimised binaries will give you a speed > improvement is a fallacy. Binaries and libraries will be larger, > so you'll pay with disk space and load time. Energy may not be created > nor destroyed :) --- 686 optimized binaries would take up less space -- libraries would be smaller -- fewer instructions to accomplish the same task. The analogy with energy is flawed. We are talking space. Space can be conserved using more efficient instructions to accomplish the same task -- like going from the 8085 to the 8086, the heart of a string move went down to 1 instruction with a prefix. Previously you'd have to maintain a counter, mov mem ->reg, mov reg->mem, increment pointers, do a compare and conditional jmp. ... So, ok -- my plan at this point is I went to single user, unmounted all 'cept root and mounted that ro, then I dd'd the entire disk to another. I'll arrange my lilo so it boots from the 2nd HD, run mandrake install reformating / and /var, then rebooting into the 2nd HD and copy over the config files to mandrake before using it as my mail server. I think that would minimize my downtime -- I'll have to rebuild the MDK kernel because 2214 has an aic7xxx driver that doesn't like my 2nd and 3rd drives (western digi) -- but driver under 2213 works fine -- yes, the maintainer knows about and is looking at the problem but it may not make 2215 either. Still a pain, but should minimize actual downtime while being fairly safe. :seems like my best option, so far; but I'll give it some more thought before doing it... -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org