Re: [techtalk] Linux Books

1999-12-22 Thread Telsa Gwynne

On Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 03:59:36PM -0600 or thereabouts, Kristin Ziel wrote:
> Well..I know that several sites have these books publically available to
> browse through them at that site.  I don't know what each site's specific
> terms are, but they are still offering the book for sale if you like what
> you read in the online edition.
> www.informit.com is one of these sites.  I recommend just browsing through
> them there if you're not sure about the legal issues :)

They're all legit? Oh, lovely. Thanks.

Sorry to the original poster for jumping to conclusions, but the
copyright about "no unauthorised reproduction" in one of them 
did throw me. :)

Telsa


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Re: [techtalk] Linux Books

1999-12-22 Thread Robert Kiesling


Telsa Gwynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote:

> They're all legit? Oh, lovely. Thanks.
> 
> Sorry to the original poster for jumping to conclusions, but the
> copyright about "no unauthorised reproduction" in one of them 
> did throw me. :)

Fortunately someone clarified that, so they're still in circulation,
and the efforts of the person who put them up on the net weren't
wasted.

Robert


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RE: [techtalk] Mounting CD's and Floppies/Using Control Panel

1999-12-22 Thread Cathy James


The simplest way to read/write a DOS floppy
is with the mtools package.  There are a
set of commands such as mdir, mcopy, etc.
that mimick the behavior of the equivalent
DOS commands.  I've found this to be
simpler than messing around trying to
mount floppies with mount.

>-Original Message-
>From: Laurel Fan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 1:03 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [techtalk] Mounting CD's and Floppies/Using Control Panel
>
>
>Excerpts from linuxchix: 21-Dec-99 Re: [techtalk] Mounting CD'.. by
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> The CD line in fstab is actually /dev/cdrom  /mnt/cdrom  
>> iso9660 etc. I can only blame my bad typing and aging eyes.
>
>It'd probably be easier and less error prone to cut and paste (do you
>know how?)
>  
>> Unfortunately, since I still can't figure out how to
>> give my user account write privileges, I can look but not touch.
>
>For ext2, just give it permissions the normal way, by chmoding the
>files. (and make sure you/it has permissions on the /mnt/whatever dir,
>of course.)
>
>For vfat/msdos, use either the uid or umask options.  Since these
>filesystems don't have permissions, these options tell mount 
>what to set
>them to.  
>
>umask=111
>
>will tell it to create files with permissions -rw-rw-rw-
>
>uid=1000
>
>tells it to create files with owner as my user, which happens to have a
>uid of 1000.  You'll have to use the numeric uids, it doesnt like
>usernames.
>
>More details about this in the mount manpage in the section "Mount
>options for fat".
>
>> And a solution to part two of my problem (why I can't use the
>> control panel tools even after I su from a command line in a
>> Wterm) still eludes me.
>
>(Are you starting the control panel tools from a menu in x or something
>(ie. not by typing a command in the Wterm where you're root?)) Any
>program started by another program (such as a shell) is usually run as
>the same user as the parent program.  So you start X as your 
>user, which
>starts the windowmanager as your user, then when you, for 
>example, click
>on the control panel, it starts the control panel as your user.  The su
>command doesn't turn you into root, it just starts a new shell 
>where you
>are root (su stands for SuperUser (or maybe SUperuser), not Switch
>User).  So, try typing printtool or whatever in your su'ed wterm.
>  
>
>
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Re: [techtalk] Mounting CD's and Floppies/Using Control Panel

1999-12-22 Thread T. E. Pickering

under RH 6.1, the permissions on floppies and cdroms and such are
switched over to be owned by whoever is logged on to the console.
when noone's on console, they switch back to root.  also, the option
"owner" is specified in /etc/fstab as in:

/dev/cdrom  /cdrom  iso9660 noauto,owner,ro 0 0

so that only the owner of the device can mount it rather than any
user.  this is a far better, more secure, and more general solution
than suid'ing mount, using the "user" option, making devices world
writable/readable, etc.

for more info, check out michael k. johnson's white paper on this at
http://www.redhat.com/support/wpapers/newpam/index.html.  this stuff
is a general feature of the latest versions of PAM so it might also
apply to other dists, but i've not tried them myself.

tim

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Re: [techtalk] Linux Books

1999-12-22 Thread Steve Kudlak



Robert Kiesling wrote:

> Telsa Gwynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote:
>
> > They're all legit? Oh, lovely. Thanks.
> >
> > Sorry to the original poster for jumping to conclusions, but the
> > copyright about "no unauthorised reproduction" in one of them
> > did throw me. :)
>
> Fortunately someone clarified that, so they're still in circulation,
> and the efforts of the person who put them up on the net weren't
> wasted.
>
> Robert
>
> 
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People often copyright works to prevent people from "modifying them" as
it takes a lot of legal rambling to say this in print. This comes up in
all sorts of situations.  I mean the @ anti-copyright means anyone can
sort of modify and give one no credit...

Have Fun,
Sends Steve

P.S. Free floating Technical Books are very useful if they are well
done...




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Re: [techtalk] Linux Books

1999-12-22 Thread Marlene E. Morley

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Telsa Gwynne wrote:
>They're all legit? Oh, lovely. Thanks.

Yes, informit.com is all legit. MCP (The macmillian publishing company) put
up all of thier books on a website for free. They just recently moved it to
informit.com. I wish that other book companys would take a hint from them and
do the same thing. There should be information about what they are and why
they are doing it someplace on the site. 

-Marlene


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Re: [techtalk] Linux Books

1999-12-22 Thread Tech Docs

Folks

I am happy that I have done nothing against the law of ethics such as
copyright violation. Those books you find there are my endless efforts in
search of them on the net. I finally managed to download them and decided to
put them in public for others and pass on the information.

Cheers!
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Re: [techtalk] Linux Books

1999-12-22 Thread Jenn V.



Tech Docs wrote:
> 
> Folks
> 
> I am happy that I have done nothing against the law of ethics such as
> copyright violation. Those books you find there are my endless efforts in
> search of them on the net. I finally managed to download them and decided to
> put them in public for others and pass on the information.

Um.

Actually, just because MacMillan choose to put them on their own
site, doesn't mean it's legal to put them on other sites.

Unless MacMillan specifically states that it is, it probably isn't.



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Re: [techtalk] Perl Books?

1999-12-22 Thread Tech Docs

Folks

Any place where I could download a Perl book for Linux-WHICH DOES NOT
VIOLATE ANY COPYRIGHTS? I am totally new to Perl and it is since long time I
have even done any bit of programming.

Cheers!
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Re: [techtalk] Converting PMMail files to Maildir or mbox format

1999-12-22 Thread Caitlyn Martin

Hi, Subba,


> I am in the process of moving my mail from a OS/2 box. The mail client
> here is PMMail. Each email is stored in a seperate file, like in Maildir.
> I have moved these files to linux, but cannot read them using Mutt to
> convert them to Maildir named files. The PMMail files are named in 7.3
format,
> which is like ABCXYZ1.MSG

PMMail (at least the 1.95 version I last used) had an option to export it's
messages as plain text files.  If you don't have too many of them, you might
want to try that.

Regards,
Cait




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Re: [techtalk] Linux Books

1999-12-22 Thread Kristin Ziel


I looked on informit's site for copyright information, and here's what i
found.


This Web Site and the material on this Web Site, including but not
limited to the text of any manuscripts provided on the Web Site (the
"Manuscript"), may not be  modified, copied, distributed, republished,
downloaded, uploaded or commercially exploited in any manner without the
prior written consent of Macmillan USA. No intellectual property or other rights in
and to the Web Site, the material on this Web Site and the Manuscript are
transferred to you.


> 
> Actually, just because MacMillan choose to put them on their own
> site, doesn't mean it's legal to put them on other sites.
> 
> Unless MacMillan specifically states that it is, it probably isn't.
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [techtalk] Perl Books?

1999-12-22 Thread Kristin Ziel




If you check in informit's free library under the web-technologies section
there are some perl reference books.  You can't download them, but they
are there and available for you to use.  

kristin


> 
> Any place where I could download a Perl book for Linux-WHICH DOES NOT
> VIOLATE ANY COPYRIGHTS? I am totally new to Perl and it is since long time I
> have even done any bit of programming.
> 
> Cheers!
> Sriram
> 
> 
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Re: [techtalk] Converting PMMail files to Maildir or mbox format

1999-12-22 Thread Robert Kiesling


"Caitlyn Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I am in the process of moving my mail from a OS/2 box. The mail client
> > here is PMMail. Each email is stored in a seperate file, like in Maildir.
> > I have moved these files to linux, but cannot read them using Mutt to
> > convert them to Maildir named files. The PMMail files are named in 7.3
> format,
> > which is like ABCXYZ1.MSG
> 
> PMMail (at least the 1.95 version I last used) had an option to export it's
> messages as plain text files.  If you don't have too many of them, you might
> want to try that.

Hi, Subba,

What format would you like the E-mail files translated into?

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RE: [techtalk] Perl Books?

1999-12-22 Thread Brian Engle

http://www.itknowledge.com/reference/dir.programminglanguages.perlandcgi1.ht
ml

you can't actually download it in like a .tar file or anything like that,
but you can read it straight from the website, through a borwserif it's
that important, you can copy and paste every page into a text editor and
then read it offline

this site was formerly itlibrary.com, run by Sam's press, and most of the
books they sold were from Sam's, so it didn't violate copyrights...haven't
been there in a while, until this question came up...

Brian

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Subject: Re: [techtalk] Perl Books?


Folks

Any place where I could download a Perl book for Linux-WHICH DOES NOT
VIOLATE ANY COPYRIGHTS? I am totally new to Perl and it is since long time I
have even done any bit of programming.

Cheers!
Sriram



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Re: [techtalk] Mounting CD's and Floppies/Using Control Panel

1999-12-22 Thread Laurel Fan

Excerpts from linuxchix: 22-Dec-99 Re: [techtalk] Mounting CD'.. by "T.
E. Pickering"@astro. 
> under RH 6.1, the permissions on floppies and cdroms and such are
> switched over to be owned by whoever is logged on to the console.
> when noone's on console, they switch back to root.

Interesting.  One thing I can't figure out is what happens when two
different users log in to the console...



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Re: [techtalk] Perl Books?

1999-12-22 Thread Tech Docs

Thanks Brian.

Cheers!
Sriram

- Original Message -
From: Brian Engle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: [techtalk] Perl Books?


>
http://www.itknowledge.com/reference/dir.programminglanguages.perlandcgi1.ht
> ml
>
> you can't actually download it in like a .tar file or anything like that,
> but you can read it straight from the website, through a borwserif
it's
> that important, you can copy and paste every page into a text editor and
> then read it offline
>
> this site was formerly itlibrary.com, run by Sam's press, and most of the
> books they sold were from Sam's, so it didn't violate copyrights...haven't
> been there in a while, until this question came up...
>
> Brian
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tech Docs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 3:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [techtalk] Perl Books?
>
>
> Folks
>
> Any place where I could download a Perl book for Linux-WHICH DOES NOT
> VIOLATE ANY COPYRIGHTS? I am totally new to Perl and it is since long time
I
> have even done any bit of programming.
>
> Cheers!
> Sriram
>
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Re: [techtalk] Mounting CD's and Floppies/Using Control Panel

1999-12-22 Thread T. E. Pickering

> > under RH 6.1, the permissions on floppies and cdroms and such are
> > switched over to be owned by whoever is logged on to the console.
> > when noone's on console, they switch back to root.
> 
> Interesting.  One thing I can't figure out is what happens when two
> different users log in to the console...

the first person to log in to something considered console (by default
the VT's and xdm if it's running) gets the ownerships assigned to them
and keeps them until they log out.  mostly that's ok since there's
usually only one person on the console at a time.

it could get sticky if the machine is shared where one user is on
console and others log in remotely from other machines who still want
to use the cdrom or floppy.  someone who tries logging in to the
console while someone else already is is in the same boat.  for
situations like this, autofs is probably the best bet for dealing with
the cdrom (i actually prefer it and use it myself to save typing).
floppies are a little trickier to deal with in this case and one may
want to disable the PAM stuff for them and set perms manually.

tim

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[techtalk] Kernel Compilations and lilo configs.

1999-12-22 Thread The Cat In The Hat

$EDIT = your editor of choice - no flames please.

>1)  load the kernel onto a floppy so I can make sure linux will> boot 
>with the new kernal

Put a blank floppy in the drive. As root at the /usr/src/linux prompt type 
make zdisk

>2)  backup the old kernal

You don't really have to back it up.  Just don't delete it.

>3)  install the new kernal

As root at the /usr/src/linux prompt type
make install
cd /boot
ls -l
See what the new kernel is called, its the one compiled recently.
cd /etc
$EDIT lilo.conf
Above the current kernel entry make a new one with a different label and 
point it at the new kernel image. Make sure that some place near the top of 
the file says prompt.
Save your work.
As root, type lilo
Reboot
If it doesn't work then reboot again and hit the tab key, it will give you a 
list of the kernels you can choose, choose the old one.

P.S. You should have found this info in the Kernel HOWTO 
(howto.linuxberg.com) or an any of the numerous newbie sites (check out 
linux.com - they have lotsa hints.)

Good Luck,
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Re: [techtalk] python problem

1999-12-22 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick

On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 10:43:45AM +1100, Malcolm Tredinnick wrote:
[... problem description snipped for space reasons ...]
> The problem does indeed exist (which I was not willing to believe initially,
> since it just seemed so silly), but it is not Python's fault! It is a problem
> in the Linux C library (assuming the man pages can be trusted). The two
> functions strftime() and strptime() are implemented in terms of the C
> functions of the corresponding names. Looking at 'man strftime', we see that
> it takes a %Z modifier, whereas 'man strptime' takes no such modifier!
> 
> So that explains the mystery -- albeit fairly unsatisfactorily. I've taken the
> liberty of posting some information about this to the Python mailing list
> (which is also the newsgroup comp.lang.python) to see what the story is on
> other Unices.

Probably nobody except Fred cares about this, but just in case: here are the
results of some discussion on the Python mailing list about this problem:

Result #1: Malcolm is an idiot!! I made so many typos in the code sample I
posted that *everybody* was getting errors - unfortunately, none of the errors
had any bearing on the problem at hand. We got that sorted out in the end. Of
course, I'll have to wear a paper bag over my head and use an
email-anonymizer when posting to that list in the future, but life goes on :-)

Result #2:  It is a purely Linux problem. Somebody, somewhere made a booboo in
the libc libraries and it hasn't been fixed. There is no real reason why it
can't be fixed at some stage, since adding an extra modifier won't break
existing code, but that's the current state of play.

Result #3: (I should have mentioned this originally) If you are doing a
lot of work with dates and times in Python, it is worth looking at Marc-Andre
Lemburg's mxDateTime module (starship.skyport.net/~lemburg/). It doesn't help
with the exact problem we are discussing here, but it's useful to know about.

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Re: [techtalk] Converting PMMail files to Maildir or mbox format

1999-12-22 Thread Subba Rao

On  0, Caitlyn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, Subba,
> 
> 
> > I am in the process of moving my mail from a OS/2 box. The mail client
> > here is PMMail. Each email is stored in a seperate file, like in Maildir.
> > I have moved these files to linux, but cannot read them using Mutt to
> > convert them to Maildir named files. The PMMail files are named in 7.3
> format,
> > which is like ABCXYZ1.MSG
> 
> PMMail (at least the 1.95 version I last used) had an option to export it's
> messages as plain text files.  If you don't have too many of them, you might
> want to try that.
> 

Thanks for all that replied. I have managed to move them to Maildir format.
What I did was to create a Maildir directory and copied the *.MSG files to "cur".
That's it. I could read all the mail with mutt.

Did not know it was that simple. Thanks again.

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