[Tagging] Status des Tag:amenity=nursing_home

[René Kirchhoff]

Hallo,

soeben habe ich mir im OSM-Wiki die folgende Seite angesehen:
http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/DE:Tag:amenity=nursing_home
Hier steht geschrieben, dess das o.g. Attribut den Status "Approved" hat.
Wenn ich nun einen Blick auf die engl. Version werfe, dann erhalte ich dei
Statusinformation: "In use". Hier wird nun verwiesen auf "The original
proposal page: Proposed
features/Nursing_home."
(http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nursing_home). Auf dieser Seite
hat das Attribut den Status
"Abandoned(
inactive )".
Dies ist ein sehr starker Widerspruch. Kann mir bitte jemand mitteilen,
welcher Status korrekt ist? Wie kommt es zu diesem Unterschied?

Vielen Dank
reneman
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Reneman
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Live Indoor Music Venues (continued)

[René Kirchhoff]

Hello, why you no create a proposal-site first?
Please read the site http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal and add to
your Site the template: "Template:Proposal_Page"

Long Version in German:
Hallo, warum legst du nicht zuerst eine Proposal-Seite an, die für eine
Abstimmung und Diskussion eines neuen Attributs gedacht ist? Du kannst
deine neue Seite verschieben zu Proposed features/amenity=music_venue.
Ergänze auch: Template:Proposal_Page

gruss reneman

2013/3/1 william skora 

>
> To those who commented, thank you.
>
> I've created a wiki page
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmusic_venue that include
> the points that most of we were able to agree upon, which is using
> amenity=music_venue to tag these places.
>
>
> As for using concert_hall, and other more complex tags, we can continue
> the discussion on there (or here if you want) and as more of these objects
> are tagged, more tags can be used.
>
> regards,
> will.
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Re: [Tagging] access restrictions by emission class (cars), EURO 1, etc.

[René Kirchhoff]

Hi.
I found in the Wiki the german "Umweltzone":
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Umweltzone
Also, you can read the DISK from LEZ:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Low_emission_zone
by reneman

2013/3/14 Martin Koppenhoefer 

> In Rome there a different zones (low emission zones and limited
> traffic zones) which restrict the access of certain vehicle types,
> based on a series of criteria (e.g. public transport or private
> vehicle, resident with special permission or not, date and time (e.g.
> restriction only on Friday and Saturday night), ...) and one
> distinction made is that of the emission class of the vehicle (euro 0,
> euro 1, euro 2, ...). Now to describe the access conditions in a
> formal way we'd need to tag these emission classes. Has anyone already
> something in use?
>
> this is what I found in the wiki regarding the zones:
> - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/LEZ
> -
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boundary%3Dlimited_traffic_zone
>
> and regarding the restrictions:
> -
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/access_restrictions_1.5
> (could maybe be extended for our purpose)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - historic=marker

[René Kirchhoff]

Hello. Is this identical to information=board with board_type=historic ??

 information 
=boardund
board_type
=historic

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - historic=marker

[René Kirchhoff]

Then we have historic=memorial und memorial:type=plate
This is for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commemorative_plaque

gruß reneman

2013/4/28 Eric Polk 

> > Is this identical to information=board with board_type=historic ??
>
> They are similar in the information they present but there are structural
> differences the physical way they are presented.
>
> Information boards are flat surfaces that either mounted in a table top
> form or vertically as a flat display.  The content of an information board
> is printed onto the material, often covered with a sheet of clear plastic.
>  The signs are held up by either pre-fabricated metal poles that are welded
> together or by a wooden framework.  This format of presenting information
> is relatively inexpensive and easy to reproduce if replacement is needed.
>
> Historical markers are often made in the form of monuments of stonework,
> are set in large stones, or are placed on poles.  The marker itself is a
> metal plate that is either embossed, cast, or stamped with the text of the
> marker.  This format of presenting information is expensive to initially
> produce and replace if damaged due to the more permanent nature of the
> materials used.
>
> The agency that creates the content is also different between the two.
>
> Information boards are created by a wide range of agencies, companies, or
> organizations.  No formal list is kept of the information boards and there
> is no formal set of criteria for what makes the site valid for recognition.
>
> By contrast, historical markers are usually placed by governmental
> agencies that have a set of criteria that they use to determine the
> historic importance and relevance of a site before authorizing a marker.
>  Official lists are kept of the sites and new additions must be submitted
> for review.
>
> There are a few exceptions to the governmental role in the placement of
> some historical markers.  There are a number of organizations that do place
> historical markers, sometimes in cooperation with government agencies, and
> other times independently.  Examples are the Native Sons and Daughters of
> the Golden West and the Daughters of the American Revolution.  These
> organizations often have historical preservation as one of their goals and
> do have standards for what qualifies as a historic marker site.
>
> My overall reason for not tagging historic markers as information boards
> is that the are physically similar to monuments and memorials.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - historic=marker

[René Kirchhoff]

hy, my opinion:

* CASA DE GOVERNOR PÍO PICO - former residence of the last Mexican governor
of California.
-> a special persons? then: historic=memorial und memorial:type=plate
* BLACK STAR CANYON INDIAN VILLAGE SITE
-> a building? then: information=board with board_type=historic
* STAGECOACH INN - a historic inn
-> a building/hotel? then: information=board with board_type=historic
* JUANA BRIONES, PIONEER SETTLER OF YERBA BUENA
-> a prominent woman: historic=memorial und memorial:type=plate

bye reneman

2013/4/28 Eric Polk 

>  > Then we have historic=memorial und memorial:type=plate
> >  This is for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commemorative_plaque
> >
> > gruß reneman
>
> According to the OpenStreetMap Wiki, historic=memorial is for "remembering
> special persons, peoples lost their lives in the world wars."  A historical
> marker is for more than just people who lost their lives in a war.
>
> A few examples:
>
> * CASA DE GOVERNOR PÍO PICO - former residence of the last Mexican
> governor of California.
> * BLACK STAR CANYON INDIAN VILLAGE SITE
> * STAGECOACH INN - a historic inn
> * JUANA BRIONES, PIONEER SETTLER OF YERBA BUENA
>
> I am open to changing the definition of historic=memorial to include all
> historical markers and not just memorial to individuals.  Would that be a
> better option?
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Re: [Tagging] tagging cannons

[René Kirchhoff]

Yes! :)

see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historische_Objekte#Kanone

http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/?zoom=15&lat=53.89357&lon=11.46009&layers=BFTT&detail=3&select=n1132388089

Gruß René

*
» Check the Monuments! «*
Viele der als historic=monument erfassten Objekte sind in Wirklichkeit kein
Monument. Sie wurden mangels passender Tags oder aus Unkenntnis als
Monument erfaßt. Die Karte "CheckTheMonuments" will bei der Korrektur
unterstützen, weitere Details im Wiki:
Wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CheckTheMonuments
Karte: http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/monuments/
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Re: [Tagging] cinema service_times

[René Kirchhoff]

see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Opening_hours
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Re: [Tagging] cinema service_times

[René Kirchhoff]

Sorry in deutsch:
Die Kinos, die ich kenne, gestatten keinen Zutritt zu bereits laufenden
Filmen. Daher, wenn es nur einen Kinosaal gibt, ist ab Filmstart das Kino
geschlossen. Somit sind die Öffnungszeiten die Zeiten, zu denen ich einen
Kinosaal betreten kann.
Gruß René

2013/5/31 Tobias Knerr 

> On 31.05.2013 21:02, René Kirchhoff wrote:
> > see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Opening_hours
>
> I'm not sure whether that really fits for the use case. Even if a movie
> is running 19:00-21:00, it is pointless to arrive at 20:00. This is
> quite different from a shop's opening_hours.
>
> So even though I haven't done it myself, using service_times seems like
> a reasonable suggestion. Alternatively, a different key with the same
> value syntax could be used.
>
> Tobias
>
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Re: [Tagging] tagging cannons

[René Kirchhoff]

Hello, why do not you use 8 nodes? No Mapper previously used a area for
cannons.
Many OSM Mapper like more details. I also :)
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Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?

[René Kirchhoff]

I want to call a few facts in mind:

- We have an old attribute "landuse = reservoir". This is very much in use.
- We have a proposal "Water detail". This was approved in voting by a large
majority.

This proposal includes:
waterway=riverbank (replaced by natural=water + water=river)
landuse=reservoir (replaced by natural=water + water=reservoir)
landuse=pond (replaced by natural=water + water=pond)
and:
Until all renderers (which render those areas differently from
natural=water) support those new values, both schemes can be used together:
just add natural=water and water=* to already present tags. "Deprecates"
means "is equivalent for all purposes to". For example, landuse=reservoir
should be rendered exactly like natural=water + water=reservoir. There are
too many uses of the current tagging scheme, and we don't want massive
retagging and edit wars.


Many users have decided together for this new approach.
This result should be respected by all of us.
Finally, it was at that time already been discussed extensively over the
content.

Why do we resist again bring this discussion now? The proposal is
unique and clearly
understandable. The desire of the community should follow, and
document decisions
made in the wiki accordingly. This also means that there is a successor to
landuse=reservoir.

My assumption was that you know the decision of the community. Apparently this
is not so, otherwise this discussion would not be necessary.

Sincerely yours
René

Thanks to Google Translate for the translation of my German contribution.
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Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM

[René Kirchhoff]

Hello,

see TagInfo:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=image

There are not 322. There are 12 162...

photo = 321
image:flickr = 3
flickr = 57
image = 12162
wikipedia:image = 24
wetap:photo = 108
source:image=Yahoo 1701
FG:photo = 533

I only use image. For an image URL or the name of an image on Wikimedia
Commons (example "File:Dresden collage.jpg").

More Informations see in Wiki in German:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historische_Objekte#Bildvorschau

See a OSM-Map with Images for Historical Objects:
http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/?zoom=17&lat=52.51631&lon=13.37772&layers=BFTT&select=w104393803

By René

2013/6/11 Bryce Nesbitt 

> I'm interested in revisiting the issue of attaching links to photographs
> in OSM via tag.
>
> There's an ancient stale proposal at:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Image
> But no hint of why the proposal was abandoned, or any of the points of
> debate.
> There seems to be little "push" demand based for photos on taginfo:
>
> -
> photo=(5)
> image:flickr=(3)
> flickr=(18)
> image=(332)
> wikipedia:image=(12)
> wetap:photo=(108)
> source:image=Yahoo (200) (useless)
> FG:photo=(529) (useless)
>
> Open Street View and its mailing list kind of kick around:
> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.photos
> -
>
> I contributed the 108 "wetap:photo" nodes. roughly 25% of the total images
> links in OSM.  You can view these as pink dots at http://www.wetap.org ).
>
> The downside issues seem similar to the website= tag, in that it could
> attract spam or inappropriate links.
> The upside is that it can make for richer mapping.  As URL links there is
> no server storage cost to the OSM project.
> Where do photo links stand?
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Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM

[René Kirchhoff]

see
http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/?zoom=18&lat=51.05419&lon=13.73556&layers=BFTT&select=n248573020

This is OSM-Node:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/248573020

Here is image=File:Dresden Theaterplatz 138.JPG

This is for the image:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dresden_Theaterplatz_138.JPG

Can you recognize and understand the context? :D

By René

2013/6/11 Bryce Nesbitt 

>
> Is there anything I should be considering?
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM

[René Kirchhoff]

Hello,

we also use flickr:

http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/?zoom=18&lon=7.21383&lat=50.6656&layers=BFTT&select=n259103401

This is Node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/259103401

Here is in image=http://www.flickr.com/photos/osmwolf/8624644661/

And we view on the Map the image-size "s"
see:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/osmwolf/8624644661/sizes/s/
from:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/osmwolf/8624644661/sizes/l/

Gruß René

2013/6/11 Richard Welty 

>
> i'm not sure that flickr links to jpgs are particularly stable, you may
> want to consider that in your documentation of a flickr link. flickr links
> these days look like this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**nfgusedautoparts/8596790653/
>
> and while you can dig up a direct link to a jpg, it looks like this:
>
> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/**8366/8596790653_06bb215baf_k_**d.jpg
>
> and i'm just not persuaded that flickr will honor this as a permanent
> link.
>
> richard
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Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM

[René Kirchhoff]

More informations in German about image=*

http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Historische_Objekte#Bildvorschau

see Chapter:

*Wikimedia-Commons-Bild-URL

*and*
*
*flickr-Bild-URL
*
Gruß René*
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Re: [Tagging] When was landuse=reservoir deprecated ?

[René Kirchhoff]

How do we go from here?
Can someone write a summary?
Could someone please state the results in the wiki?
Thank you.

Wie geht es nun weiter?
Kann jemand eine Zusammenfassung schreiben?
Könnte bitte jemand die Ergebnisse im Wiki dokumentieren?
Vielen Dank.

Gruß René
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Re: [Tagging] historic=vicarage

[René Kirchhoff]

Mein Vorschlag:

heritage=*
historic=yes (sofern wirklich historisch)
building=*
description=*

http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/CheckTheMonuments
http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Historische_Objekte
Gruß René

2013/8/2 Marc Gemis 

> I'm currently mapping the protected monuments in Belgium. One of the
> buildings you encounter are vicarages. I looked at taginfo, but couldn't
> find an appropriate tag.
>
> What should I use ?
>
> historic = vicarage
>
> or parsonage
> or rectory
> or presbytery ?
>
> It's for roman-catholic pastors in case that matters.
>
> Should I add some disused tag as well ?
>
> m
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