Re: [Tagging] [Talk-ml] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

[Pierre Béland via Tagging]

Hi Jean-Marc
Like others, I did map many of these. I can tell you that we often see a common 
space in center of african villages, often near the school,  and  it is surely 
not green and have no facilities like in the Nordic countries parks.
People have to understand that there are often no infrastructures in African 
villages. But young people still gather and play.

I dont think that the OSM tagging schema should reflect the legal status in 
specific countries like UK. Various tags can reflect various realities.  And 
leisure=common seems to be quite well adapted to Africa and dont exist to 
stretch the legal defininition of UK. 

When the tag is used in UK, I would understand that the UK contributors want to 
follow a certain rule particular to their country.
But I dont agree to deprecate the the leisure=common tag for Africa.  


 
Pierre 
 

Le mercredi 29 avril 2020 15 h 34 min 57 s UTC−4, Jean-Marc Liotier 
 a écrit :  
 
 Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar: 
https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA - larger than a 
street (it occupies a whole city block), used as a multipurpose common 
area (pickup soccer games are a staple but parking or lounging around 
also occur, and the occasional popular event) and usually surfaced with 
sand or whatever the ground is.

We have long tagged it leisure=common (389 ways in Senegal and 486 in 
Mali according to http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TqN) - which is a bit of 
stretch from the British legal definition, but worked well enough and 
did not conflict with its British usage. But leisure=common is now 
deprecated

So, what should we use instead ? 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dcommon suggests using 
leisure=park - which isn't too much of a stretch functionally but evokes 
greenery that does not occur here (though British commons are just as 
green and we were happy with leisure=common)... Any other ideas ? Or I'm 
going to use leisure=park+surface=sand !


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Re: [Tagging] [Talk-sn] [Talk-ml] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

[Pierre Béland via Tagging]

Fr
Oups un instant Jean-Marc. Erreur sans doute de la part de Séverin, je disais 
bien leisure=common 

En
Oops a moment Jean-Marc. Probably a mistake on Séverin's part, I did say...
 leisure=common 
Pierre 
 

Le dimanche 3 mai 2020 11 h 13 min 40 s UTC−4, Jean-Marc Liotier 
 a écrit :  
 
  
So, this discussion gravitates towards using landuse=common for those African 
urban freely accessible multipurpose open spaces, which I fully support.
 
 
Implementing this change requires the following actions:
 
- Editing the leisure=common wiki page, in French and in English (I'll do that)
 
- Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in downstream cartographic 
styles, would be even better if the color matched the surface=* so that sandy 
surfaces don't appear green.
 
- Reinstating the rendering of leisure=common in JOSM's default style (it 
recently changed to grey to mark deprecation). (I'll open a JOSM ticket
 
- Altering QA rules (JOSM Validator and Osmose) so that the leisure=common 
deprecation only applies to the United Kingdom of Great Britain, where commons 
have a legal definition and designation=common must be used for them. (I'll 
open a JOSM ticket but if someone has prior experience interacting with the 
Osmose people, that would be nice)
 

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