Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Wave Lounger

[Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging]

Why not subtag for 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dlounger
?

amenity=lounger lounger=wave
amenity=lounger lounger=wave_lounger

seems better to me as someone can map lounger without classifying
it subtype (and we may have ideas to map more lounger classes in
future)

And mentioning how to distinguish amenity=lounger from
amenity=wave_lounger would be useful in either case

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"Generalisation should be up to the cartographers and not the mappers."

1) it depends on generalization type, some generalisation
is unavoidable at time of mapping and makes sense
Any classification of real objects (tagging objects in OSM)
already is some generalization

2) It is not changing that 

(A) cascading tagging
( amenity=general_class general_class=detail )

(B) using properties 
( amenity=general_class property=value )

is very often better
than (C) direct superdetailed classification
- amenity=super_detailed_subtype_a
- amenity=super_detailed_subtype_b
- amenity=super_detailed_subtype_c
- amenity=super_detailed_subtype_d
- amenity=super_detailed_subtype_e

amenity=wave_lounger sounds to me like using natural=oak
rather then natural=tree + separate property for mapping that
it is an oak ( say, taxon:en=oak )

or historic=memorial_bench instead of historic=memorial memorial=bench
or historic=blue_plaque instead of historic=memorial memorial=blue_plaque
or... (see other values at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic=memorial?uselang=en#Tags_to_use_in_combination
 )
Jul 2, 2023, 00:55 by hungerb...@gmail.com:

> Please weigh in on this proposed new tag, here, in the community
> forum, in the wiki talk page:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Wave_lounger
>
> Looking forward
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Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Wave Lounger

[Asa Hundert]

Am So., 2. Juli 2023 um 10:10 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>
> Why not subtag for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dlounger ?

That other tag can be applied to areas in two different ways: either
representing a single item - or as a place, where
commonly/sometimes/seasonally/depending on time of day/and who knows
what - none, one, or more loungers can be found.

This one is meant for fixed installs only and not for use on areas.
The lounger tag cannot be reused because it is designed too badly.

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Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Wave Lounger

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Jul 2, 2023, 10:40 by hungerb...@gmail.com:

> Am So., 2. Juli 2023 um 10:10 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
>
>>
>> Why not subtag for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dlounger 
>> ?
>>
>
> That other tag can be applied to areas in two different ways: either
> representing a single item - or as a place, where
> commonly/sometimes/seasonally/depending on time of day/and who knows
> what - none, one, or more loungers can be found.
>
> This one is meant for fixed installs only and not for use on areas.
> The lounger tag cannot be reused because it is designed too badly.
>

I do not really see a big problem here, if someone wants they can 
add extra tags counting capacity/number of loungers or
intermittent=yes or seasonal=yes
But this should be listed in proposal to let people judge is it a good idea___
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Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Wave Lounger

[Asa Hundert]

I want this amenable to consumers. If I were to propose an attribute
to the other tag, I'd have to propose to deprecate the uses on areas
that allows for such atrocities as "amenity=lounger; surface=grass".

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Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Wave Lounger

[Brian M. Sperlongano]

I don't see the current usage to be a problem.

On Sun, Jul 2, 2023, 2:19 PM Asa Hundert  wrote:

> I want this amenable to consumers. If I were to propose an attribute
> to the other tag, I'd have to propose to deprecate the uses on areas
> that allows for such atrocities as "amenity=lounger; surface=grass".
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[Tagging] disaster help point

[michael spreng (datendelphin)]

Hi

There was a thread started over one year ago:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-January/063573.html
 and this is a continuation, but I start a new thread because of the 
long gap between.


On 13.01.22 20:58, Peter Elderson wrote:
> Why is https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:emergency#Assembly_point
>  (with
> additional amenities) not right?

The difference is that to an assembly point you should go when you are 
in immediate danger. But alerting is not included, you have to do that 
separately. They are local to a building or buildings, or a Forest.


With the disaster help points, the grid is out (no power, no 
communication) and you go there to get help and information. You go 
there to organize an ambulance for example, not to be picked up there. 
This is usually for a whole town.


In the mean time, there is a wiki site, mainly by a single editor:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:emergency%3Ddisaster_help_point
Unfortunately, the English version is rather short. So I translated at 
least the tagging part. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Ddisaster_help_point


Personally, I am unhappy with the name and the address as proposed. The 
name is descriptive, not a name. And the address duplicates an actual 
address. The points are usually outside, and might even be a bit closer 
to another address which is less of a land mark.


But including the address is useful, as that helps finding the point 
even when gps is out.


Here is a link to the flyer of my municipality concerning those points. 
Unfortunately in German, no translation available

https://www.cham.ch/_docn/3878923/Notfalltreffpunkte_Merkblatt_Ereignisfall.pdf
On the bottom right of the first page you can see pictures of the points 
and also the name and address that they use.


Have a nice day
Michael

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Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Wave Lounger

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 2 Jul 2023, at 20:19, Asa Hundert  wrote:
> 
> I'd have to propose to deprecate the uses on areas
> that allows for such atrocities as "amenity=lounger; surface=grass".


I don’t think this would be suitable tagging for a Liegewiese (habe recently 
seen such a sign in the swimming pool, a nicer way to say no ball playing I 
guess). If it were for a lounger with growing grass on it, it would be ok.
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Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Wave Lounger

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

https://i.etsystatic.com/26861520/r/il/09aa34/3144992841/il_1140xN.3144992841_ps9i.jpg___
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Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Wave Lounger

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 at 05:39, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

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> https://i.etsystatic.com/26861520/r/il/09aa34/3144992841/il_1140xN.3144992841_ps9i.jpg
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Ah, but is that frame, material or surface? :-)

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/benches-material/100491

Thanks

Graeme
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