Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
sent from a phone > On 8 Nov 2022, at 08:17, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Having tag name that clearly excludes freshwater water rescue and changing it > in description is highly confusing and I would prefer to avoid it if at all > possible. exactly, it does not work and would lead to problems in the future. While you can write in the wiki that black is green, people are going to ignore it or miss it and continue to expect that black should be black and green not be a part of the blacks. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Street vendors
sent from a phone > On 8 Nov 2022, at 08:15, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > I mapped some of similar shop=greengrocer (assigned space on tables) with > shop=greengrocer street_vendor=yes > > Outside their operating hours you will just see empty tables with roofs over > them situation is different here, it is a fenced area with permanent, light buildings, (huts), open Monday to Saturday all day, but when they close they close some blinds and it becomes a closed volume ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Street vendors
old style: https://www.scattidigusto.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Yaluz-chiosco-mercato-Garbatella-Roma.jpg even older but different structure (single building): http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J5az9ofXSIQ/UVgQRJwwenI/wu8/vFdrpK5JwC0/s1600/roma-farmers-market-testaccio.jpg new style radical chic (single structure) https://www.theromanpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/banco50-marco09_mg_2959-38.jpg new, common type: https://ilcaffe.tv/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/10-120638-145-53.jpg___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - archaeological_site
sent from a phone > On 7 Nov 2022, at 12:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > deprecating site_type has chance of being a good idea I don’t think so, it is defacto one of the tags used to further specify historic=archaeological_site and moving away from it is on the same level as finding a common definition for highway=trunk or getting rid of the contact: prefix, unlikely to happen Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
I agree; whilst we often need to explain, or refine, a definition in the Wiki, we should NOT radically change the definitions of words. "Marine" means "relating to or found in the sea" (Oxford Dictionaries), so we should not re-define it to mean "relating to any watery object". The Wiki should be amended to align more closely to real life. Regards,Peter(PeterPan99) On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 08:16:05 GMT, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone > On 8 Nov 2022, at 08:17, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Having tag name that clearly excludes freshwater water rescue and changing it > in description is highly confusing and I would prefer to avoid it if at all > possible. exactly, it does not work and would lead to problems in the future. While you can write in the wiki that black is green, people are going to ignore it or miss it and continue to expect that black should be black and green not be a part of the blacks. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
On 8/11/22 09:00, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 07.11.2022 10:57, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Favoring emergency=marine_rescue seems sensible to me What about such stations on freshwater lakes and on rivers? Is "marine" fitting there? Not really. emergency=lifeboat_station implies the presence of a boat. Not all water rescue related infrastructure has a boat, and not all is located directly at the coast line or river bank. "marine" implies salt water. If no boat .. then how do they rescue on water? Helicopter? Would they not also rescue on land? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
Looking at some of the "inland" examples shown on OT, I wonder if they should actually be tagged as a "lifeboat-station" at all, or whether they would be better shown as a lifeguard base? Examples, with some websites included: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/299123258 + https://www.wasserwacht-woerthsee.de/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9151311469 + https://www.slrgo.ch/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9957154743 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/965027465 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/66850852 Some fire stations, that possibly also carry out on-water rescues? Should they also be tagged as "water" rescue, or just as a fire station? https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/629239460 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/931856197 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/87339014 In regard of use of boats for rescue purposes, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflatable_rescue_boat & https://sls.com.au/role/jet-rescue-boat-crew/ both relate to rescue boats that are primarily used by lifeguards for rescuing swimmers in distress. The fact that they have a boat, does not make them a marine-rescue unit, as they are intended for work close to the beach only, not in blue water. Thanks Graeme On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 at 20:02, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 8/11/22 09:00, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > On 07.11.2022 10:57, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > >> Favoring emergency=marine_rescue seems sensible to me > >> > >> > >> What about such stations on freshwater lakes and on rivers? Is "marine" > fitting there? > > Not really. emergency=lifeboat_station implies the presence of a boat. > Not all water rescue > > related infrastructure has a boat, and not all is located directly at > the coast line or river bank. > > "marine" implies salt water. > > > If no boat .. then how do they rescue on water? > > Helicopter? Would they not also rescue on land? > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
Nov 9, 2022, 00:19 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > Looking at some of the "inland" examples shown on OT, I wonder if they should > actually be tagged as a "lifeboat-station" at all, or whether they would be > better shown as a lifeguard base? > MOPR and MOPR Giżycko station specifically for example has proper boats: https://mopr.com.pl/sprzet/ lists what MOPR operates https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x46e188778f5ccdbb%3A0x59ce788583f65b5a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc%3Dw213-h160-k-no!5sMOPR%20Gi%C5%BCycko%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcgO7d3p_7AhUxXvEDHdiDBj0Qoip6BQi9ARAD https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
Thanks, but are they usually found inland? I found a few rescue / lifeboat stations along the Polish coast, but only one mapped inland, which either doesn't exist anymore, or it's website has changed? https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/254564700 https://mopr.com.pl/1-nasza-stacja/stacje-i-ratownicy-gizycko-galeria-stacji.html (Either that, or the previous mapper made a mistake! :-)) Thanks Graeme On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 09:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Nov 9, 2022, 00:19 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > Looking at some of the "inland" examples shown on OT, I wonder if they > should actually be tagged as a "lifeboat-station" at all, or whether they > would be better shown as a lifeguard base? > > MOPR and MOPR Giżycko station specifically for example has proper boats: > > https://mopr.com.pl/sprzet/ lists what MOPR operates > > > https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x46e188778f5ccdbb%3A0x59ce788583f65b5a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc%3Dw213-h160-k-no!5sMOPR%20Gi%C5%BCycko%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcgO7d3p_7AhUxXvEDHdiDBj0Qoip6BQi9ARAD > > https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Fire_%26_Rescue My local Fire & Rescue department has 3 "stations" with rescue or fire boats on the river. For example "Station #21" is on the river, it has a fire boat and a rescue boat. The boats are in a boathouse on a pier, while the fire truck is in a separate building up on the shore. It's currently mapped as a separate amenity=fire_station - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/392193354 - but perhaps some kind of "water rescue" tag is more appropriate. On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 4:41 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Thanks, but are they usually found inland? > > I found a few rescue / lifeboat stations along the Polish coast, but only > one mapped inland, which either doesn't exist anymore, or it's website has > changed? > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/254564700 > > > https://mopr.com.pl/1-nasza-stacja/stacje-i-ratownicy-gizycko-galeria-stacji.html > > (Either that, or the previous mapper made a mistake! :-)) > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 09:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > >> >> >> >> Nov 9, 2022, 00:19 by graemefi...@gmail.com: >> >> Looking at some of the "inland" examples shown on OT, I wonder if they >> should actually be tagged as a "lifeboat-station" at all, or whether they >> would be better shown as a lifeguard base? >> >> MOPR and MOPR Giżycko station specifically for example has proper boats: >> >> https://mopr.com.pl/sprzet/ lists what MOPR operates >> >> >> https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x46e188778f5ccdbb%3A0x59ce788583f65b5a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc%3Dw213-h160-k-no!5sMOPR%20Gi%C5%BCycko%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcgO7d3p_7AhUxXvEDHdiDBj0Qoip6BQi9ARAD >> >> https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ >> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
Thanks! Would =lifeboat_station work for them, together with =fire_station? Thanks Graeme On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 13:33, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Fire_%26_Rescue > > My local Fire & Rescue department has 3 "stations" with rescue or fire > boats on the river. For example "Station #21" is on the river, it has a > fire boat and a rescue boat. The boats are in a boathouse on a pier, while > the fire truck is in a separate building up on the shore. It's currently > mapped as a separate amenity=fire_station - > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/392193354 - but perhaps some kind of > "water rescue" tag is more appropriate. > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 4:41 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> Thanks, but are they usually found inland? >> >> I found a few rescue / lifeboat stations along the Polish coast, but only >> one mapped inland, which either doesn't exist anymore, or it's website has >> changed? >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/254564700 >> >> >> https://mopr.com.pl/1-nasza-stacja/stacje-i-ratownicy-gizycko-galeria-stacji.html >> >> (Either that, or the previous mapper made a mistake! :-)) >> >> Thanks >> >> Graeme >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 09:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < >> tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> Nov 9, 2022, 00:19 by graemefi...@gmail.com: >>> >>> Looking at some of the "inland" examples shown on OT, I wonder if they >>> should actually be tagged as a "lifeboat-station" at all, or whether they >>> would be better shown as a lifeguard base? >>> >>> MOPR and MOPR Giżycko station specifically for example has proper boats: >>> >>> https://mopr.com.pl/sprzet/ lists what MOPR operates >>> >>> >>> https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x46e188778f5ccdbb%3A0x59ce788583f65b5a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc%3Dw213-h160-k-no!5sMOPR%20Gi%C5%BCycko%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcgO7d3p_7AhUxXvEDHdiDBj0Qoip6BQi9ARAD >>> >>> https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
Fixed link on it. By looking at https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ there are two that are definitely serious inland ones, maybe four of them among operated by MOPR. And yes, there are only few of them - but still, ideally they would be covered by nonconfusing tagging (none of "=marine_rescue redefined to not be marine") And I expect that other countries with major freshwater lakes and major rivers also have them already or will have them in future. Nov 9, 2022, 01:38 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > Thanks, but are they usually found inland? > > I found a few rescue / lifeboat stations along the Polish coast, but only one > mapped inland, which either doesn't exist anymore, or it's website has > changed? > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/254564700 > > https://mopr.com.pl/1-nasza-stacja/stacje-i-ratownicy-gizycko-galeria-stacji.html > > (Either that, or the previous mapper made a mistake! :-)) > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 09:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> Nov 9, 2022, 00:19 by >> graemefi...@gmail.com>> : >> >>> Looking at some of the "inland" examples shown on OT, I wonder if they >>> should actually be tagged as a "lifeboat-station" at all, or whether they >>> would be better shown as a lifeguard base? >>> >> MOPR and MOPR Giżycko station specifically for example has proper boats: >> >> https://mopr.com.pl/sprzet/>> lists what MOPR operates >> >> https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x46e188778f5ccdbb%3A0x59ce788583f65b5a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc%3Dw213-h160-k-no!5sMOPR%20Gi%C5%BCycko%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcgO7d3p_7AhUxXvEDHdiDBj0Qoip6BQi9ARAD >> >> https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ >> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Possible merge of marine_rescue & lifeboat_station tags?
Thanks! Once again, would =lifeboat_station cover them? Thanks Graeme On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 16:38, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Fixed link on it. > > By looking at https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ there are two that > are definitely > serious inland ones, maybe four of them among operated by MOPR. > > And yes, there are only few of them - but still, ideally they would be > covered > by nonconfusing tagging (none of "=marine_rescue redefined to not be > marine") > > And I expect that other countries with major freshwater lakes and major > rivers > also have them already or will have them in future. > > Nov 9, 2022, 01:38 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > Thanks, but are they usually found inland? > > I found a few rescue / lifeboat stations along the Polish coast, but only > one mapped inland, which either doesn't exist anymore, or it's website has > changed? > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/254564700 > > > https://mopr.com.pl/1-nasza-stacja/stacje-i-ratownicy-gizycko-galeria-stacji.html > > (Either that, or the previous mapper made a mistake! :-)) > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 09:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > > Nov 9, 2022, 00:19 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > Looking at some of the "inland" examples shown on OT, I wonder if they > should actually be tagged as a "lifeboat-station" at all, or whether they > would be better shown as a lifeguard base? > > MOPR and MOPR Giżycko station specifically for example has proper boats: > > https://mopr.com.pl/sprzet/ lists what MOPR operates > > > https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x46e188778f5ccdbb%3A0x59ce788583f65b5a!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc%3Dw213-h160-k-no!5sMOPR%20Gi%C5%BCycko%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipPer7fMBHgyY5wg8EFphzvbrhgS-pl2WK4Exnc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcgO7d3p_7AhUxXvEDHdiDBj0Qoip6BQi9ARAD > > https://mopr.com.pl/stacje-i-ratownicy/ > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
