Re: [Tagging] Is this continouos flow a water tap?
On 28/9/22 02:59, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: What exactly defines man_made=water_tap? Open/close ability? Must be able to control the flow - so 'on' and 'off' are the two extrems. Top-down water flow (rather than small upward jet of many drinking water fountains?) Is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beim_Kiosk_(Anlagage_Sihlh%C3%B6lzli).jpg man_made=water_tap or man_made=drinking_fountain ? Neither. Not something I'd care to drink from - messy directly from the spout, possibly contaminated from the container. amenity=fountain??? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?
On 28/9/22 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's a tap! Must have the ability to control the flow of the water to be called a tap. Thanks Graeme On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 23:20, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Sep 27, 2022, 14:58 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: sent from a phone On 27 Sep 2022, at 14:52, Georg wrote: IMHO yes. I agree, although I wouldn’t see it necessary to characterize the feature I see value in mapping whether given amenity=drinking_water is a proper tap or just providing miserable jet of water making impossible to fill water bottle. Also, I noticed that many bare amenity=drinking_water are in various ways quite likely to be problematic (misplaced, used for water taps without drinkable water or inaccessible to public and soon) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is this continouos flow a water tap?
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:18 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > > > Is > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beim_Kiosk_(Anlagage_Sihlh%C3%B6lzli).jpg > > man_made=water_tap > > or > > man_made=drinking_fountain > > ? > > > > depends if the water is drinkable, in these cases, particularly if you do not tag amenity=drinking_water, you should generally add drinking_water=yes/no/etc. for a relevant description. I would have thought it is a water tap albeit you apparently cannot control the flow. I would have tagged it amenity=fountain, drinking_water=*, because I only tag man_made=water_tap when there is no fountain like thing but only a tap (and maybe a sink). Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:21 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 28/9/22 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push > button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's > a tap! > > Must have the ability to control the flow of the water to be called a tap. > so the "tap" word implies some kind of valve, having just a tube to channel erogation does not count, even if it has the "right shape", right? Is there agreement for this definition? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gender
Le 28.09.22 à 01:34, Illia Marchenko a écrit : gender=mixed/segregated has clear semantics. this shows that there is a need for 2 new values, not necessarily for a new key unisex=mixed/segregated has clear semantics too ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?
+1 The "tap" is the device to control the flow. Often, but not necessarily, at the end of the pipe. If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present. Regards,Peter(PeterPan 99) On Wednesday, 28 September 2022 at 08:28:34 BST, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:21 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: On 28/9/22 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's a tap! Must have the ability to control the flow of the water to be called a tap. so the "tap" word implies some kind of valve, having just a tube to channel erogation does not count, even if it has the "right shape", right? Is there agreement for this definition? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Peter Neale via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present. > around here, the typical drinking fountain is an iron cast column with permanent flow. There is a water tap inside the column but the "user" cannot open or close it (unless the cover is open, happens from time to time, but is not the regular situation). outside: http://www.wakeupnews.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Acqua-gassata-71-199x300.jpg inside: https://www.fregeneonline.com/images/stories/fontanella_interno.jpg So the "user" cannot control the flow, but technically, a tap is present. Shall we ignore this tap because it is usually neither visible not accessible? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?
IMHO, if the user cannot (normally) access it, it is not worth mapping. Or, do you want to micro-map every control valve (same function as a tap) in the water supply system, including those that cannot be seen? Regards,Peter(PeterPan99) On Wednesday, 28 September 2022 at 09:07:54 BST, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Peter Neale via Tagging : If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present. around here, the typical drinking fountain is an iron cast column with permanent flow. There is a water tap inside the column but the "user" cannot open or close it (unless the cover is open, happens from time to time, but is not the regular situation). outside:http://www.wakeupnews.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Acqua-gassata-71-199x300.jpginside: https://www.fregeneonline.com/images/stories/fontanella_interno.jpg So the "user" cannot control the flow, but technically, a tap is present. Shall we ignore this tap because it is usually neither visible not accessible? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?
On 28/9/22 18:07, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Peter Neale via Tagging : If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present. around here, the typical drinking fountain is an iron cast column with permanent flow. There is a water tap inside the column but the "user" cannot open or close it (unless the cover is open, happens from time to time, but is not the regular situation). outside: http://www.wakeupnews.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Acqua-gassata-71-199x300.jpg inside: https://www.fregeneonline.com/images/stories/fontanella_interno.jpg So the "user" cannot control the flow, but technically, a tap is present. Shall we ignore this tap because it is usually neither visible not accessible? I would not use the tag man_made=water_tap for these. Why not use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain You will note the different tags - some relate to the 'style' of the structure others relate to the water delivery eg mist, bottle_refill .. thus the tag is used for anything. The word 'type' in the description is the probable source of this confusion. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gender
The normal meaning of the term unisex is "gender neutral", so unisex=mixed sounds weird. ср, 28 сент. 2022 г., 10:39 Marc_marc : > Le 28.09.22 à 01:34, Illia Marchenko a écrit : > > gender=mixed/segregated has clear semantics. > > this shows that there is a need for 2 new values, > not necessarily for a new key > > unisex=mixed/segregated has clear semantics too > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gender
My apologies, unisex=segregated ср, 28 сент. 2022 г., 12:50 Illia Marchenko : > The normal meaning of the term unisex is "gender neutral", so unisex=mixed > sounds weird. > > ср, 28 сент. 2022 г., 10:39 Marc_marc : > >> Le 28.09.22 à 01:34, Illia Marchenko a écrit : >> > gender=mixed/segregated has clear semantics. >> >> this shows that there is a need for 2 new values, >> not necessarily for a new key >> >> unisex=mixed/segregated has clear semantics too >> >> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 10:45 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > I would not use the tag man_made=water_tap for these. > > > Why not use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain > > > You will note the different tags - some relate to the 'style' of the > structure others relate to the water delivery eg mist, bottle_refill .. > thus the tag is used for anything. > > The word 'type' in the description is the probable source of this > confusion. > We introduced the fountain tag particularly to distinguish different drinking fountain types around here. You are right that somebody has "hijacked" the key and uses it with values like "mist", and "bottle_refill", which seem to be describing something slightly different, on the other hand it could still be seen as kind of the same property. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Approved - crossing:markings
Hi Alexander, Thanks for all the hard work you put into this. I left a question regarding LGBTQ/rainbow crossings on the wiki page in order to update the mapcomplete-editor (https://mapcomplete.osm.be/rainbow_crossings). Kind regards, Pieter On 2022-09-17 22:06, Alexander Kane wrote: Hello all, I'm glad to announce that crossing:markings was approved with 29 votes for, 1 vote against and 3 abstentions. Thank you to all who participated. In the coming days I will be doing the post-vote clean up, as well as updating the relevant pages. Thanks Alex (popball) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bench: replace seats by capacity
For consistency's sake, I propose to stop using seats=* on benches. Instead, capacity=* should be used. For details, see the proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bench:_replace_seats_by_capacity Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bench: replace seats by capacity
Sorry for double-posting. It has been brought to my attention that I had accidentally written my original mail within an existing thread. I hope, this one fixes it. Original mail: For consistency's sake, I propose to stop using seats=* on benches. Instead, capacity=* should be used. For details, see the proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bench:_replace_seats_by_capacity Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
