Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?
Le jeu. 18 oct. 2018 à 16:58, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > I think about power=line as "cables on massive towers/poles visible from > far away" > > I think about powe=minor_line as "cables on small poles/tiny towers" > And there is a world between those two. Things aren't so binary, supports aren't designed only regarding the line they carry but on the environment too. To cross a valley, a so called small line can pass over big towers, depending on how wide the valley is. Such data should go on supports themselves, not on the supported line. By the way, since we all agree on the start question of this thread, I've created this issue : https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3460 All the best François ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose
In that case, there won't be a lot of assembly points in Hungary, if any. I don't know any private building that has an evacuation plan, but I do know a few office buildings that have one, and usually they are the ones with the non-trivial ones anyway, taking care of thousands of people per building. I don't view this as micro mapping at all. However, we would be micromapping if we started mapping evacuation routes as well, both indoors and outdoors. There are lots of bomb shelters, although nobody knows how to tag these. I've found various attempts: shelter_type=bomb_shelter shelter_type=bomb shelter=bomb bunker_type=bomb_shelter bunker_type=bomb bunker_type=air_raid_shelter adit_type=bomb_shelter building=air-raid_shelter building=fallout_shelter emergency=air_raid_shelter On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 1:29 AM John Willis wrote: > > Hmm... The active shooter discussion brought up some good things to think > about. > > > As far as I know, we are not mapping the evacuation plans of individual > buildings with assembly_point. > > When talking about the schools, we talked about shelters and assembly_points. > > The pitch at a public school is often considered an assembly_point - not just > for the children, but for the entire neighborhood. It is a government > designated place for people to go during a large-scale disaster > > Perhaps thinking of those as active shooter safe rooms as "shelters" is > wrong, and the mere evacuation point for a random private building is not > something to include in emergency=* > > Perhaps having some evacuation_plan=* key and an accompanying relation can > let individual buildings and complexes map areas, points, and evacuation > routes on a micro level (like indoor mapping , ie: the fire evacuation routes > and meeting point outside for a large hotel), **but I don't think mapping a > place designated for an individual building evacuation in case of fire is > proper for =assembly_point.** They are for the *public* to gather and receive > aid and possible rescue in a large scale disaster. They are usually > designated and operated by the government, and mapped and signed by the > government, so they know where to send rescue personnel. > > The only exception I can see is for tornado shelter or bomb shelter - as > their physical existence is the "help" - and (I assume) are publically > accessible assembly_points, even in private commercial buildings, and they > blur the line between shelter and assembly_point. I don't know how to map > those, as I am not very familiar with them. > > But Having a bunch of assembly_points coating a downtown area, even with > access=private, would turn into tag pollution. The 2-3 locations (the school > ground, the park, and the sports complex) would be lost in a sea of points on > lawns and parking lots no one would care to be. > > If a large concrete mall near a coastline has a outside, designated, > publically accessible stairway to the roof and signs telling people to > evacuate there in case of tsunami, the fact that it is "privately operated" > is not as important as it is publically accessible for *anyone* looking for > Saftey. And the fact that any random building just happens to be tall and > have stairs is not enough - has to publically known and publically accessible. > > Our local elementary school grounds are the designated evacuation point for > our community in case of a failure of a nearby dam - we received flyers > showing the hazard map and evacuation points. > > The building evacuation points do not feel like those are in the same > category. > > The idea of assembly_point being publically accessible and designated for > this purpose is the most important point. > > The narrow_definion of assembly_point seems best. > > Javbw > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 2:42 AM, bkil wrote: > > > > The reason is probably to both increase survival rate by taking > > everybody as far as possible from danger and to ease the work of > > firefighters by not gathering a crowd around the building in question. > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format
Receipts in Hungary are required by law to include various metadata,
they usually indicate at least the following:
* ref:vatin:hu
* operator
* operator:addr
* name
* addr
Some of the receipts I have reviewed also indicate the branch, while
at other times it can be deduced from the website/ref IDs. They
sometimes also note opening hours, website, e-mail address and phone
number as well. So asking all your friends to collect their receipts
for your armchair mapping is pretty low hanging fruit.
Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. Also note that in my example above,
the registry also has data fields that declare that the operator is
"AmRest Vendéglátó Kft." (AmRest Catering Ltd.) and the name of the
venue is "KFC Gyorsétterem" ("KFC fast food restaurant"). The registry
says nothing about the brand, but it can be validated on a survey or
from other sources, like the website. Although I wouldn't claim that
the publicly accessible registry is 100% authentic, as I've seen typos
and omissions in some of the entries.
So this should usually be very close to the official name. In a few
cases, I have seen that the printer produced old_name. In other cases,
everyone knows the place by its short_name and it is the one usually
advertised on signs, though the menu, website and receipt usually all
include the full name.
Here are some receipts:
http://freeblog.sodika.org/allamrend.freeblog.hu/files/sodidoksi/gardaper/ertesites/nyugta.jpg
http://www.e-kompetencia.si/egradiva/m2_7razred/3.1.Vasarlas_Olvasas%20utani%20szovegertes/nyugta.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jhI9jhB1b-E/UdXJwVbu8QI/BiU/X17oR5pKBKw/s688/a.jpg
http://m.blog.hu/ho/homar/image/200906/nyugta.jpg
http://cms.sulinet.hu/get/d/a7416850-b085-44e7-9a71-834223f8cf40/1/6/b/Normal/V-1-6106kep-normal.jpg
http://markert.hu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/nyugta.jpg
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:15 PM Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 18. Oct 2018, at 19:33, bkil wrote:
> >
> > The name field can be easily read from the receipt, signs on premise,
> > the menu or from the local authority's company registry.
>
>
> I agree for signs and similar, but on the receipt and from the company
> registry you don’t get the name of the shop but the name of the operator.
> There might be a hint for the shop as well on the receipt as a courtesy, but
> it isn’t a requirement.
>
>
> Cheers, Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:50 AM, bkil wrote: > > There are lots of bomb shelters, although nobody knows how to tag > these. Sounds like you found something that needs a proposal! ^___^ Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?
marc marc writes: > Le 18. 10. 18 à 15:01, Greg Troxel a écrit : >> the idea that people that don't understand the >> power system can tell the difference doesn't really seem right to me. > > so how can my wife add a "this electrical cable" despite she has > no idea what it means transmission <> distribution nor his voltage ? > she chooses at random between line or minor_line with an error > rate of 50% ? > or should non-experts be forbidden to inform where a cable exist ? > François' idea of structuring information by "layer" of detail from > basic to advanced info is full of common sense, damage too often reads > the argument "the value is widely used and I'm able to choice the good > tag so we keep the imperfection". I think you are saying that power=line/minor_line/cable as a top-level tag is wrong, and there shoudl be power=line with (optional) subtags for the various things, like bare/covered/insulated, disttibution/transmission, and voltage. If so, I agree, but it's been explained that this fight happened a while ago and what we have now is the outcome. It seems in this case the OSM way is just to use power=line, don't worry, and let others fix it up if necessary. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
