[Tagging] Tagging a private/membership club

[Andrew Wiseman]

Hey all,

Myself and a few other folks in the US have been looking into a way to tag
private or membership clubs -- things like the Elks Club, Fraternal Order
of Eagles, Veterans of Foreign Wars club (which are sometimes open to the
public) and the fancier private clubs (called gentlemen's clubs in the UK)
ones that are members-only, or members and their guests -- like the Yale
Club, Cosmos Club, and so on in the US, for example. It seems like the wiki
is not very clear.

club=* doesn't have anything specific about this:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:club and it seems to be more of the
place where a meeting of a club happens, rather than a specific type of
facility.

Taginfo says amenity=social_club only has two uses, but I don't think
that's accurate, I've found about 10 uses myself just searching around for
the American Legion, another type of these clubs
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/social_club#overview

American Legion, a widespread one in the US, is tagged variously as social
facility, social centre, bar, social club and others just in a quick
search. Social facility is common but seems wrong, as it's more for social
services, while these places are more like a bar/restaurant where meetings
and events are sometimes held -- but usually not open to the public, unless
there's a concert or something. The club members often do charity work as
well.

To me social_club seems like the best option but there's not agreement on
the wiki. What do others think?

Andrew
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging a private/membership club

[Mark Wagner]

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 13:22:48 -0500
Andrew Wiseman  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Myself and a few other folks in the US have been looking into a way
> to tag private or membership clubs -- things like the Elks Club,
> Fraternal Order of Eagles, Veterans of Foreign Wars club (which are
> sometimes open to the public) and the fancier private clubs (called
> gentlemen's clubs in the UK) ones that are members-only, or members
> and their guests -- like the Yale Club, Cosmos Club, and so on in the
> US, for example. It seems like the wiki is not very clear.
> 
> club=* doesn't have anything specific about this:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:club and it seems to be more
> of the place where a meeting of a club happens, rather than a
> specific type of facility.
> 
> Taginfo says amenity=social_club only has two uses, but I don't think
> that's accurate, I've found about 10 uses myself just searching
> around for the American Legion, another type of these clubs
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/social_club#overview
> 
> American Legion, a widespread one in the US, is tagged variously as
> social facility, social centre, bar, social club and others just in a
> quick search. Social facility is common but seems wrong, as it's more
> for social services, while these places are more like a
> bar/restaurant where meetings and events are sometimes held -- but
> usually not open to the public, unless there's a concert or
> something. The club members often do charity work as well.
> 
> To me social_club seems like the best option but there's not
> agreement on the wiki. What do others think?

First, you're mis-interpreting the Taginfo results.  There are only two
"social_club=*" tags, but 500 "amenity=social_club" (as well as 498
"leisure=social_club", 2 "office=social_club", 2 "club=social_club",
and a scattering of "historic=", "disused:amenity=", and
"old_amenity=" tags).

Second, "amenity=social_club" sounds good to me.  It's what I've been
using for VFW posts, Moose lodges, and one strangely-placed Hells
Angels clubhouse.

-- 
Mark 

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging a private/membership club

[Warin]

On 07-Jan-17 06:48 AM, Mark Wagner wrote:

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 13:22:48 -0500
Andrew Wiseman  wrote:


Hey all,

Myself and a few other folks in the US have been looking into a way
to tag private or membership clubs -- things like the Elks Club,
Fraternal Order of Eagles, Veterans of Foreign Wars club (which are
sometimes open to the public) and the fancier private clubs (called
gentlemen's clubs in the UK) ones that are members-only, or members
and their guests -- like the Yale Club, Cosmos Club, and so on in the
US, for example. It seems like the wiki is not very clear.

club=* doesn't have anything specific about this:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:club and it seems to be more
of the place where a meeting of a club happens, rather than a
specific type of facility.

Taginfo says amenity=social_club only has two uses, but I don't think
that's accurate, I've found about 10 uses myself just searching
around for the American Legion, another type of these clubs
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/social_club#overview

American Legion, a widespread one in the US, is tagged variously as
social facility, social centre, bar, social club and others just in a
quick search. Social facility is common but seems wrong, as it's more
for social services, while these places are more like a
bar/restaurant where meetings and events are sometimes held -- but
usually not open to the public, unless there's a concert or
something. The club members often do charity work as well.

To me social_club seems like the best option but there's not
agreement on the wiki. What do others think?

First, you're mis-interpreting the Taginfo results.  There are only two
"social_club=*" tags, but 500 "amenity=social_club" (as well as 498
"leisure=social_club", 2 "office=social_club", 2 "club=social_club",
and a scattering of "historic=", "disused:amenity=", and
"old_amenity=" tags).

Second, "amenity=social_club" sounds good to me.  It's what I've been
using for VFW posts, Moose lodges, and one strangely-placed Hells
Angels clubhouse.



access=private looks to be a tag your after.



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Re: [Tagging] Tagging a private/membership club

[Andrew Wiseman]

Ah, thanks. The wiki says leisure=social_club is being merged into club= ,
but there's also a proposal for leisure=social_club from 2010...
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/social_club

I wonder if it should be leisure or amenity? It seems like neither one
renders on the regular view, as far as I can tell.

Andrew

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Mark Wagner  wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 13:22:48 -0500
> Andrew Wiseman  wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Myself and a few other folks in the US have been looking into a way
> > to tag private or membership clubs -- things like the Elks Club,
> > Fraternal Order of Eagles, Veterans of Foreign Wars club (which are
> > sometimes open to the public) and the fancier private clubs (called
> > gentlemen's clubs in the UK) ones that are members-only, or members
> > and their guests -- like the Yale Club, Cosmos Club, and so on in the
> > US, for example. It seems like the wiki is not very clear.
> >
> > club=* doesn't have anything specific about this:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:club and it seems to be more
> > of the place where a meeting of a club happens, rather than a
> > specific type of facility.
> >
> > Taginfo says amenity=social_club only has two uses, but I don't think
> > that's accurate, I've found about 10 uses myself just searching
> > around for the American Legion, another type of these clubs
> > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/social_club#overview
> >
> > American Legion, a widespread one in the US, is tagged variously as
> > social facility, social centre, bar, social club and others just in a
> > quick search. Social facility is common but seems wrong, as it's more
> > for social services, while these places are more like a
> > bar/restaurant where meetings and events are sometimes held -- but
> > usually not open to the public, unless there's a concert or
> > something. The club members often do charity work as well.
> >
> > To me social_club seems like the best option but there's not
> > agreement on the wiki. What do others think?
>
> First, you're mis-interpreting the Taginfo results.  There are only two
> "social_club=*" tags, but 500 "amenity=social_club" (as well as 498
> "leisure=social_club", 2 "office=social_club", 2 "club=social_club",
> and a scattering of "historic=", "disused:amenity=", and
> "old_amenity=" tags).
>
> Second, "amenity=social_club" sounds good to me.  It's what I've been
> using for VFW posts, Moose lodges, and one strangely-placed Hells
> Angels clubhouse.
>
> --
> Mark
>
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