Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

2016-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> Il giorno 27 lug 2016, alle ore 21:01, Kevin Kenny 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> foot=permit
> permit:website=https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wpres.htm
> permit:phone=+1(209)372-0200


this tagging only works with one type of permit at a time, if 
motor_vehicle=permit was also set (with different rules and phone numbers 
etc.), you would need something like 
foot=permit
motor_vehicle=permit 
foot:permit:website=*
motor_vehicle:permit:website =*
etc.

or maybe shorter:
foot:website =*

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

2016-07-29 Thread Tijmen Stam
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> Il giorno 27 lug 2016, alle ore 21:01, Kevin Kenny
>>  ha scritto:
>>
>> foot=permit
>> permit:website=https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wpres.htm
>> permit:phone=+1(209)372-0200
>
>
> this tagging only works with one type of permit at a time, if
> motor_vehicle=permit was also set (with different rules and phone numbers
> etc.), you would need something like
> foot=permit
> motor_vehicle=permit
> foot:permit:website=*
> motor_vehicle:permit:website =*
> etc.
>
> or maybe shorter:
> foot:website =*


This is like the discussion on where some buses on a certain line one
could pay with a contactless card, while on other buses one couldn't,
which affects the network tagging.

IMHO OSM is a geographical database, and there are some things that are
too detailed. Off course it's good to lay out a structure for this, but as
long as far more large-scale items are missing, I wouldn't put too much
energy into it.


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Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

2016-07-29 Thread Warin

On 7/29/2016 6:12 PM, Tijmen Stam wrote:



IMHO OSM is a geographical database, and there are some things that are
too detailed.


There are things in the OSM database that go well beyond geography ... opening 
hours, contact phone numbers for example.

I would not place limits on, nor discourage, what can be put in the data base 
simply because 'they are too detailed', 'not for OSM', etc.

Those who do inhibit themselves and OSM from a future of unseen uses and 
benefits.


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Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

2016-07-29 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Jul 29, 2016 3:50 AM, "Martin Koppenhoefer" wrote:
> this tagging only works with one type of permit at a time, if
motor_vehicle=permit was also set (with different rules and phone numbers
etc.), you would need something like
> foot=permit
> motor_vehicle=permit
> foot:permit:website=*
> motor_vehicle:permit:website =*
> etc.
>
> or maybe shorter:
> foot:website =*

I'm inclined to let the person who actually encounters such a beast propose
the tagging for it.  Your idea seems as good as any,  but I've not yet seen
an actual example.  The most I've seen is different hours, fees, and so on,
with the same office administering permits. I don't want to brew up a lot
of complexity addressing hypothetical cases.
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Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

2016-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-07-29 13:43 GMT+02:00 Kevin Kenny :

> I'm inclined to let the person who actually encounters such a beast
> propose the tagging for it.  Your idea seems as good as any,  but I've not
> yet seen an actual example.  The most I've seen is different hours, fees,
> and so on, with the same office administering permits. I don't want to brew
> up a lot of complexity addressing hypothetical cases.
>


IMHO for the mapper

foot=permit
permit:website=*


is at the same complexity level as

foot=permit
foot:website=*


Cheers,
Martin
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