Re: [Tagging] Tagging scrapyards, junkyards

[John F. Eldredge]

The usual arrangement is that reasonably-intact vehicles are kept as a 
parts source for some period of time, then whatever is left is 
eventually sold to another facility that handles recycling of bulk scrap 
metal.  Badly damaged vehicles may go immediately to the latter 
facility.  Back in the 1980s, I worked as a security guard at a facility 
that handled the bulk-metal-recycling step.


On 01/22/2016 09:53 AM, Mike Thompson wrote:
In the parts of the US where I have lived (Midwest, West) these would 
be called "Auto Salvage" if they mainly dealt with vehicles, although 
"junkyard" is used colloquially. However, to be consistent, we should 
use the British English term to be consistent.


Mike

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Philip Barnes > wrote:


On Thu, 2016-01-21 at 12:22 -0500, EthnicFood IsGreat wrote:
> >
> I thought scrapyards and junkyards were two different
entities.  This
> is how I think of them.
>
> Scrapyards are places whose primary purpose is to buy items that are
> no longer wanted (typically metal objects) and then sell them
for the
> value of their raw materials.  Junkyards are places whose primary
> purpose is to sell intact vehicle parts from wrecks to people
who are
> repairing a vehicle.  Definitely not the same thing.
>
As a native speaker I see the two as the same thing, scrapyard being
British English, junkyard American English.

Phil (trigpoint)

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[Tagging] Defining tag 'natural=wood' ...

[Warin]

Hi,

The present wiki description;


/Forest. Sometimes considered to have restricted meaning "Woodland with 
no forestry".


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dwood

/The definition then leaves 'forestry' up for interpretation.

I would rather have something clear!
/
//An area of trees that are not intended to be used to produce products./  ?

This gets away from;
If the area was logged in the past .. is it now natural?
If it was planted with non-native trees ... is it 'natural'?
If it is planted with grafted trees ... etc etc..

--
Conversely then landuse=forest would be

An area of trees used to produce products.

An example of products (not all possible products);
wood pulp
wood planks
wood beams

Edge cases - some can argue over :-)
sugartrees- produce maple syrup
rubber trees-rubber
cinnamon
tea tree oil
eucalyptus oil
sandalwood

I think those are all landuse=forest.

===
What say you ... ? Is there an improvement to be made here?
Is it simple enough to be;
understood?
easily interpreted into other languages?








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Re: [Tagging] Defining tag 'natural=wood' ...

[Mike Thompson]

landuse and landcover are two different things, and I submit they should be
mapped as such.  One indicates how the land is being used, and the other
what covers it. Obviously they are related, but they are not the same.

In regards to "landcover" it should not matter whether the trees were
planted or are natural (the average mapper may not be able to tell and the
trees may not have been planted, but are now managed for the production, or
eventual production, of tree related products), the "landcover" is trees.
Although there does not seem to be agreement, some mappers use the tag
"natural=wood" to indicate that the landcover is trees.

The same area could also have a landuse, which may or may not be
"forestry." You also could have an area whose landuse is forestry, but
who's landcover is not trees, such as an area just logged over.

I don't have an opinion as to what tags we use, but I suggest we map
landcover and landuse separately.

Mike

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The present wiki description;
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Forest. Sometimes considered to have restricted meaning "Woodland with no
> forestry". http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dwood
>  *The definition
> then leaves 'forestry' up for interpretation.
>
> I would rather have something clear!
>
> *An area of trees that are not intended to be used to produce products.*
> ?
>
> This gets away from;
> If the area was logged in the past .. is it now natural?
> If it was planted with non-native trees ... is it 'natural'?
> If it is planted with grafted trees ... etc etc..
>
> --
> Conversely then landuse=forest would be
>
> An area of trees used to produce products.
>
> An example of products (not all possible products);
> wood pulp
> wood planks
> wood beams
>
> Edge cases - some can argue over :-)
> sugartrees- produce maple syrup
> rubber trees-rubber
> cinnamon
> tea tree oil
> eucalyptus oil
> sandalwood
>
> I think those are all landuse=forest.
>
> ===
> What say you ... ? Is there an improvement to be made here?
> Is it simple enough to be;
> understood?
> easily interpreted into other languages?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Defining tag 'natural=wood' ...

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 01.02.2016 um 02:32 schrieb Mike Thompson :
> 
> I suggest we map landcover and landuse separately.


+1

cheers 
Martin 

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging scrapyards, junkyards

[Dave Swarthout]

Just to keep things straight, let me summarize what I have so far. I sort
of decided to go with the British colloquial term "scrapyard" as a place,
usually a large open area, where old cars are kept to be sold for spare
parts. In America the common term, and the one I'm familiar with, is
junkyard. A more polished sounding, and perhaps more accurate, term is
auto_salvage but I feel there's no need to promote a less used tag when
more popular ones will serve nicely. We decided against the term auto_ or
automobile_recycling. While that may be the ultimate end for these old
vehicles, that isn't the primary function of an automotive scrapyard in
this context. There are possibilities for defining the particular type of
scrap that is handled, or recycled, by a yard but that discussion is beyond
the scope of my original query.

Adding the tags

shop=car_parts
second_hand=only

takes care of the main function of the scrapyards I'm dealing with. I will
also tag the area as landuse=industrial.

Thanks again for the help and the feedback,

Dave


On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 7:25 AM, John F. Eldredge 
wrote:

> The usual arrangement is that reasonably-intact vehicles are kept as a
> parts source for some period of time, then whatever is left is eventually
> sold to another facility that handles recycling of bulk scrap metal.  Badly
> damaged vehicles may go immediately to the latter facility.  Back in the
> 1980s, I worked as a security guard at a facility that handled the
> bulk-metal-recycling step.
>
> On 01/22/2016 09:53 AM, Mike Thompson wrote:
>
> In the parts of the US where I have lived (Midwest, West) these would be
> called "Auto Salvage" if they mainly dealt with vehicles, although
> "junkyard" is used colloquially. However, to be consistent, we should use
> the British English term to be consistent.
>
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Philip Barnes 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2016-01-21 at 12:22 -0500, EthnicFood IsGreat wrote:
>> > >
>> > I thought scrapyards and junkyards were two different entities.  This
>> > is how I think of them.
>> >
>> > Scrapyards are places whose primary purpose is to buy items that are
>> > no longer wanted (typically metal objects) and then sell them for the
>> > value of their raw materials.  Junkyards are places whose primary
>> > purpose is to sell intact vehicle parts from wrecks to people who are
>> > repairing a vehicle.  Definitely not the same thing.
>> >
>> As a native speaker I see the two as the same thing, scrapyard being
>> British English, junkyard American English.
>>
>> Phil (trigpoint)
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