Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Aquatics centre

2015-12-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> Am 29.12.2015 um 00:25 schrieb johnw :
> 
> Perhaps more detail on the court..  because having sport:1=foo sport:2=bar  
> or sport=foo;bar devolves into endless permutations - both in the data and 
> discussions. 


the attribute solution is
sport:basketball=yes/dedicated...
sport:volleyball=yes
...

or maybe superimpose/overlap different pitches each with there own sport tag? 
This would somehow be very close to reality (different coloured markings with 
slightly different sizes, on the same surface).


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Aquatics centre

2015-12-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> Am 29.12.2015 um 00:09 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Much rather have sports_centre=athletics;ball_sports  ... combinations using 
> ';' ... I know some don't like that .. but it makes the detail of what 
> 'multi' actually is.


I agree that the well established "multi" value from the early days is not very 
helpful, as it can be anything from a very big variety of sports centres.
sports_centre=* on the other hand doesn't auto explain itself, other than 
generalized  sport types it could just as well have values like "school", 
"event_venue", "commercial"(that's an actual value), ...
http://taginfo.osm.org/keys/sports_centre


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Martin 


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Aquatics centre

2015-12-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> Am 26.12.2015 um 22:21 schrieb John Willis :
> 
> Obviously the private facilities are landuse commercial (they are a company).


it is not obvious (e.g. all retail facilities are companies as well, but are 
tagged with landuse=retail). Frankly, landuse tagging is not working very well 
in general for all areas that don't follow the separation of function paradigm, 
an idea of the 30ies/40ies (see charta of Athens, le Corbusier), which wasn't 
acted accordingly before and which got disputed also at least since the 1980ies 
(e.g. New Urbanism, a conservative retro movement of which besides other the 
Prince of Wales is a big fan, and which being more than 30 years old isn't 
quite "new" any more). We should likely introduce more values to account for 
different realities than the North American / modernist one.


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Aquatics centre

2015-12-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> Am 26.12.2015 um 22:21 schrieb John Willis :
> 
> - but so many of the aquatics centers are going to be part of larger public 
> facilities like recreation centers or other civic complexes. 
> 
> Another good example why we need a government/civic/something landuse(s).


no, IMHO we should have distinct tags for recreation_centres, civic_complexes 
or whatever these entities are, landuses are not objects, they are attributes 
for pieces of ground. If something is part of another thing, we can easily 
model this by having something inside something else, but we need tags for each 
of these somethings, and landuse is not a good tag for a "thing" (IMHO)

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Aquatics centre

2015-12-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> Am 29.12.2015 um 10:43 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer :
> 
> New Urbanism, a conservative retro movement of which besides other the Prince 
> of Wales is a big fan, and which being more than 30 years old isn't quite 
> "new" any more)


sorry, wanted to write "reactionary" ;-)

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