Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming
Hi Chris, I am not a member of talk-GB, could you please post a link to this discussion and ask the mappers to review the remaining highway=traffic_calming nodes in GB? thanks, Gerd Von: Chris Hill Gesendet: Freitag, 20. November 2015 17:34 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming On 20/11/15 15:19, GerdP wrote: > Hi all, > > I've noticed that a few (940) traffic_calmings are mapped as > highway=traffic_calming , most of them also have the tag > traffic_calming=*, but ~ 10% did not. > > The vast majority (> 212000) of the nodes tagged traffic_calming=* is not > also tagged highway=traffic_calming. I looked at the wiki and thought that > it > is simply a bit missleading as traffic_calming appears on the highway side > > So I started to cleanup, found a few nodes which where highway=crossing > instead of traffic_calming, found a few nodes not (yet) connected to roads > and finally decided to do a few larger changes today. > > After the last change one of the bigger changes was commented by user chilly > as an undiscussed mechanical edit, see > http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35457641 > > As stated in the changeset comment I hope that the change is okay, > and I am sorry that I start this discussion now instead of asking first. > > Please let me know what you think about the edit itself and whether or not > I should revert all changes related to this tag. > > I asked Gerd to revert the edit simply because it was an undiscussed mechanical edit, for which Gerd has acknowledged and apologised (thanks Gerd). I would like to add that discussion on this list may reach a conclusion about the tags used (if we're lucky), but that still will not be a suitable place to discuss a mechanical edit. Gerd's link is to an edit across much of GB, so it needs to be discussed *and* agreed with GB mappers. I would suggest that GB mechanical edits need to be discussed on talk-GB and / or the #osm-gb irc channel. Similar mechanical edits in other countries or areas need to be similarly discussed and agreed in appropriate lists and channels too. -- Cheers, Chris (chillly) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Relevance or otherwise of the wiki (was: improve tagging of traffic_calming)
On 20/11/2015 18:49, Gerd Petermann wrote: What am I getting wrong here? Did someone remove the preferred way of tagging from the wiki and nobody noticed it for years? It doesn't surprise me that something documented with certainty in the wiki simply doesn't describe what mappers actually do. For example, I noticed the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare page only very recently** - someone who expects the wiki to document how other mappers tag things might think from reading that that they should use e.g. "healthcare=dentist" instead of "amenity=dentist", which not borne out by actual usage figures (there are 30k amenity=dentist and <900 healthcare=dentist). We (all mappers, not just new ones) simply can't rely on the wiki for "how to map X" until this sort of "creative wiki editing" is more under control*. Cheers, Andy (SomeoneElse) * actually it's worse than this - see https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1981#issuecomment-158634575 for the full problem. ** and I'm actually subscribed to this list and see the discussions going on here related to potential tagging changes and suggestions. What chance someone not subscribed to this daily catalogue of delights? :) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Relevance or otherwise of the wiki (was: improve tagging of traffic_calming)
Andy Townsend wrote > On 20/11/2015 18:49, Gerd Petermann wrote: >> >> What am I getting wrong here? Did someone remove the >> preferred way of tagging from the wiki and nobody noticed >> it for years? >> > > It doesn't surprise me that something documented with certainty in the > wiki simply doesn't describe what mappers actually do. For example, I I think in the case of traffic_calming http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming the current wiki describes exactly what most mappers do, that's why I asked the question you cited. I think the only missing point is the explicit hint that highway=traffic_calming should NOT be used and removed when found similar to the hint for ford http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ford#Deprecated_Tags Gerd -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/improve-tagging-of-traffic-calming-tp5860596p5860750.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] highway=crossing not rendered on Mapnik (& others)
Hi Before listing this as a request on the openstreetmap-carto I thought I'd check/discuss here first. From the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing & the default selection of the 3 main editors, the tags for a pedestrian road crossing that's separate from other traffic control lights are: highway=crossing crossing=*. This combination doesn't render in Mapnik. It's led many people to (possibly inadvertently) tagging for the renderer: highway=traffic_signals crossing=* Is there a reason why it's not in mapnik? It's doesn't cover up other entities as can be seen as used in the latter tag configuration. Also, on the wiki under traffic_signals 'crossing=traffic_signals' it says "Mostly near highway=traffic_signals." Unsure what's meant by that. If the pedestrian crossing is separate they are almost certainly not near traffic signals. I think it should be clarified or removed. Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing not rendered on Mapnik (& others)
You may or may not know, but mid-block signalled crossings are a bit of a UK-specific phenomenon. In many other countries (in Europe, anyway), signalled crossings are part of junctions. Anyway, if you want something rendered, raise a ticket with the renderers; it's not a tagging issue as such. On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Dave F. wrote: > Hi > > Before listing this as a request on the openstreetmap-carto I thought I'd > check/discuss here first. > > From the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing & the > default selection of the 3 main editors, the tags for a pedestrian road > crossing that's separate from other traffic control lights are: > highway=crossing > crossing=*. > > This combination doesn't render in Mapnik. It's led many people to > (possibly inadvertently) tagging for the renderer: > highway=traffic_signals > crossing=* > > Is there a reason why it's not in mapnik? It's doesn't cover up other > entities as can be seen as used in the latter tag configuration. > > Also, on the wiki under traffic_signals 'crossing=traffic_signals' it says > "Mostly near highway=traffic_signals." Unsure what's meant by that. If the > pedestrian crossing is separate they are almost certainly not near traffic > signals. I think it should be clarified or removed. > > Cheers > Dave F. > > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing not rendered on Mapnik (& others)
Great Scott. Just searched the previous messages & find I asked posted the same point just a few months back, so please ignore this if you wish, although i still think it needs clearing up if only to prevent incorrect tagging & improving the map (IMO). Cheers Dave F. On 22/11/2015 22:17, Dave F. wrote: Hi Before listing this as a request on the openstreetmap-carto I thought I'd check/discuss here first. From the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing & the default selection of the 3 main editors, the tags for a pedestrian road crossing that's separate from other traffic control lights are: highway=crossing crossing=*. This combination doesn't render in Mapnik. It's led many people to (possibly inadvertently) tagging for the renderer: highway=traffic_signals crossing=* Is there a reason why it's not in mapnik? It's doesn't cover up other entities as can be seen as used in the latter tag configuration. Also, on the wiki under traffic_signals 'crossing=traffic_signals' it says "Mostly near highway=traffic_signals." Unsure what's meant by that. If the pedestrian crossing is separate they are almost certainly not near traffic signals. I think it should be clarified or removed. Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing not rendered on Mapnik (& others)
Richard Mann wrote on 2015/11/22 23:24: You may or may not know, but mid-block signalled crossings are a bit of a UK-specific phenomenon. In many other countries (in Europe, anyway), signalled crossings are part of junctions. I would not say so, I know a lot in Germany. Often they are on-demand. There are also plenty cases when there is a signalled crossing on a tertiary road near a junction with a residential, and the traffic light only regulates the pedestrian flow across the tertiary, while the motor traffic coming from the residential into the tertiary is unregulated. tom ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing not rendered on Mapnik (& others)
> On Nov 23, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > I would not say so, I know a lot in Germany. Often they are on-demand. +1 They are rare in California (IMO), but there are some here in Japan. In the discussion with Signal labels, one of Tomoya's examples of "junction names" was a pedestrian crossing controlled by a signal. However, we also have a decent amount of plain zebra crossings mid-block (so not near an intersection) with no traffic control too. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
