Re: [Tagging] Draft tag for Airport Security Zones | Non-voting procedure

[Marc Gemis]

I'm not really familiar with the topic, but in Europe there is a special
treatment for "Schengen passengers"  see [1]
I wonder whether it is just the customs or that there are really zones
related to this within the airport. If so, there might me a need for a
separate value for that.
Maybe someone with more travel experience can comment on this ?

regards

m



[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area#Customs_controls

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:

> See:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/security_zone
>
> Now I'm not going to run a regular vote on this.  The wiki vote process
> attracts a small number of non-representative and rather argumentative
> mappers.
>
> Discussion about the tag is welcome. But instead of "voting" I challenge
> mappers to tag these features in real airports, perhaps using this tag
> style. As multiple mappers converge on a tagging that works, this proposal
> page can be revisited.  If this is a good tag, that will show up in taginfo
> after a while, and the feature can be documented as "defacto".
>
> Tagging votes accepted via JOSM, Potlatch or iD.
> For example:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3539479319/history
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Re: [Tagging] Draft tag for Airport Security Zones | Non-voting procedure

[johnw]

> On Jun 15, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 
> I'm not really familiar with the topic, but in Europe there is a special 
> treatment for "Schengen passengers"  see [1]
> I wonder whether it is just the customs or that there are really zones 
> related to this within the airport. If so, there might me a need for a 
> separate value for that.
> Maybe someone with more travel experience can comment on this ?
> 
> regards
> 
> m

Summary: this is not an area of the airport - it is an area of Europe - so this 
affects immigration policy of customs and immigration officials at existing 
checkpoints - but AFAIK is not a separate mappable zone at the airports in the 
EU.

This becomes a factor when dealing with domestic versus international areas - 
traveling through the EU countries who accepted the Schengen proposal  (if I 
read the article correctly)  is similar to or the same as "domestic” travel 
inside a single country. People arriving on an intra-EU flight between these 
countries is arriving at the “domestic” terminal, as there is no visa check, 
hence no immigration check. Reading the wiki page, it sounds like they do 
common “security” checks, you *do* have to prove nationality, but do *not* have 
to prove your visa status if you are identified as a resident of a Schengen 
country. 

Someone flying from outside the EU Shengen area  (inter-EU travel, like from 
Japan ^_^ ) would be arriving at the international terminal and will go through 
immigration / visa check.

so I’m pretty sure this is not an area of the airport - but merely immigration 
rules followed by immigration officials. 

EG: it should be covered by common domestic/international/transit areas as we 
already understand them

The only way I could be wrong is if they have a “Schengen” terminal or 
something like it : special *facilities* at the airport *separate* from the 
normal domestic and international style terminals. Not a separate Schengen line 
at immigration, or a security checkpoint, but if there is a distinct area that 
is different from Domestic and International.

EU residents care to chime in?

Javbw
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Re: [Tagging] Grumble about empty "comments" on this list

[John Eldredge]

I seem to have left out part of what I was intending to type. I judge 
whether something is a quote or not on the presence of a greater than sign 
at the start of each quoted line in plaintext email, the HTML formatting 
that renders as a vertical bar at the start of each quoted line in HTML 
formatted email, or the headers used to separate quoted text in Outlook.  A 
mail client that marks up the text you type to be indistinguishable from 
text you are quoting is seriously broken.


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"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot 
drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.




On June 15, 2015 10:51:45 John Eldredge  wrote:


Typically, they will say something like, "On , Xyz wrote" and then
quote part or all of what someone else wrote, without adding any comments
of their own. I am relying on the use of the > prefix on plain-text quotes,
or the bar prefix on HTML quotes, or the header on Outlook-formatted text,
then it is seriously broken.

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drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.



On June 15, 2015 09:05:15 Marc Gemis  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:59 PM, John Eldredge  wrote:
>
> > If you want to comment about a message someone else posted, don't simply
> > quote them without adding any comments of your own. We already know what
> > they posted. Empty posts can happen by accident, but some participants of
> > this list are in the habit of posting zero-content "comments" on a daily
> > basis.
>
>
> I can't remember seeing any of them. Certainly not on a daily basis. Is
> there something with yours (not showing all content) or my email program
> (automatically filtering them out) ?
>
> regards
>
> m
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Re: [Tagging] Draft tag for Airport Security Zones | Non-voting procedure

[Paul Norman]

On 6/15/2015 5:42 AM, johnw wrote:

The only way I could be wrong is if they have a “Schengen” terminal or 
something like it : special*facilities*  at the airport*separate*  from the 
normal domestic and international style terminals. Not a separate Schengen line 
at immigration, or a security checkpoint, but if there is a distinct area that 
is different from Domestic and International.

EU residents care to chime in?
As someone who has been doing too many flights lately, in Canada 
airports often have domestic, international, and trans-border. 
Trans-border is for flights to or from the US and have a special customs 
arrangement. This is, unfortunately, unmappable. Which gates are part of 
which terminal can shift around depending on time of day and what 
flights there are, and there is no specific schedule.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk.

[Warin]

I think I'll be closing this shortly. Possibly tomorrow.

There are some 10 votes, one against, the majority approving.

There were close to 40 votes last time... where has the passion gone?

On 2/06/2015 8:47 AM, Warin wrote:

Hi,

Voting for the mark 2 version of Reception Desk is now open.

Link 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/amenity%3Dreception_desk



A Reception Desk provides a place where people (visitors, patients, or 
clients) arrive to be greeted, any information recorded, the relevant 
person is contacted and the visitor/s, patient/s, or client/s sent on 
to the relevant person/place.



It is particularly useful to know the location of the reception desk 
when it is located away from the typical place (near a front entry) or 
where there is only one amongst a number of large buildings. First 
seen as a suggested extended tag for camp sites 
, 
thought to have a wider application to offices, hotels, hospitals and 
educational features.


The amenity key is chosen so it can be used for both tourism and 
business situations.



Thanks for your participation.


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Re: [Tagging] Draft tag for Airport Security Zones | Non-voting procedure

[John Willis]

> On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:43 AM, Paul Norman  wrote:
> 
> Which gates are part of which terminal can shift around depending on time of 
> day and what flights there are, and there is no specific schedule.


This is my guess for how it is in the eu - its merely how immigration reacts to 
arriving customers, not a static state or description of the terminal - which 
are often labeled domestic or international. 

Javbw 
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Re: [Tagging] Draft tag for Airport Security Zones | Non-voting procedure

[Bryce Nesbitt]

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:

>  As someone who has been doing too many flights lately, in Canada
> airports often have domestic, international, and trans-border. Trans-border
> is for flights to or from the US and have a special customs arrangement.
> This is, unfortunately, unmappable. Which gates are part of which terminal
> can shift around depending on time of day and what flights there are, and
> there is no specific schedule.
>

Are these functions still handled in (mappable) part of the building?
Are the restrooms and charging stations assignable to a "zone" that is
constant?
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