[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cycleway=soft_lane
Hallo together. I would like to ask for any comments and opinions to this proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Soft_lane. Thank you for your time and Best Regards Hubert ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] The "not-shops": industrial, industry, or business
On 09/03/2014 11:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Another thing that comes to my mind: maybe we could indeed create this > catalogue of tens of thousands of business types - who if not us will be > able to do such a work? This doesn't imply the mapper would have to scroll > long lists of thousands of entries, it could be well structured from coarse > to fine. I too wondered about this problem. The current shop/craft tagging seems *very* broken for everything non-standard. We can't expect people to invent new tags for every type of service or merchandise, such as "tractor repair" or "chimneys". "You can use any tags you want", but think of the software, how can it deliver relevant results then? Think what people *need*. When they go to Google Maps, they don't look for a supermarket or grocery, they look for some specialized stores/services. Another issue is that people passionately add OSM notes for businesses there's no approved tagging for. I too, thought independently, about these human-readable description tags like shop:merchandise: and how idiots (of which we have an abundance already) or diary spammers (who laugh in admins' faces) will abuse it. But who knows, this may be a viable solution. Compare with "Business Name" at https://support.google.com/business/answer/3038177?hl=en&ref_topic=4540086 . So, I checked how Google does this. And here you have all the 2200+ POI categories you can choose from when you add your business/institution/whatever. http://pastebin.com/BHqXvkS4 It seems they flattened their hierarchy here, for instance every cuisine has its own restaurant tag.. I guess internally there's some tree of categories, so that searching non-specific terms returns meaningful results. Anyway, our shop/service tagging system is quite flawed in its current form and is suitable for consumption only at a basic level. This presents an issue that too few people think of OSM as an ecosystem. We have disjoint teams (or individuals) developing tagging/website/editors/map style/map applications. This isn't good for creating a map that would serve users' needs (couldn't help myself but write the proverbial "displace Google Maps" ;-) ) Greetings Michał ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*
Am 18.08.2014 16:04, schrieb fly: > Hey > > On the English wiki page [1] "comma" is the proposed separator for > several values of addr:housenumber. > > This contradicts our rule of using "semi-colon" as separator of values > and I do not have a clue why. > > I propose to deprecate "comma" and use "semi-colon" instead to harmonize > our data structure and allow QA software to find problematic values. > > What do you think ? > > Cheers fly > > > [1] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Buildings_with_multiple_house_numbers To summarize: 1. There was no objection at all, so far. 2. It was pointed out that comma does look better on a map and that this might be the cause for documenting "comma" and using it. See [2] for an enhancement request to render semi-colon as comma in carto. cu fly [2] https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/920 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] The "not-shops": industrial, industry, or business
Yea, there needs to be a better framework for adding shops that are not in the system is a manner that is consistent, and possibly can work with -carto to have icons added by users without so much hassle. Here in japan, they have several different types of fast food, quick restaurants, and formal restaurants in categories everyone here recognizes - but get can't get put into a proper category or get a bad icon. Eg: an isakaiya is not really a pub. It's their own thing. And takoyaki is fast food, represented by a hamburger. - cuisine needs to have, probably, a thousand new tags added to cover this, and regional icons need to be paired with them. Making the maps more region friendly - to conform to the expectations and customs of the mapping "language" of the region is one thing I want to work on, and this is a part of it. Javbw Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:45 AM, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > >> On 09/03/2014 11:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Another thing that comes to my mind: maybe we could indeed create this >> catalogue of tens of thousands of business types - who if not us will be >> able to do such a work? This doesn't imply the mapper would have to scroll >> long lists of thousands of entries, it could be well structured from coarse >> to fine. > > I too wondered about this problem. The current shop/craft tagging > seems *very* broken for everything non-standard. We can't expect > people to invent new tags for every type of service or merchandise, > such as "tractor repair" or "chimneys". "You can use any tags you > want", but think of the software, how can it deliver relevant results > then? > > Think what people *need*. When they go to Google Maps, they don't look > for a supermarket or grocery, they look for some specialized > stores/services. > Another issue is that people passionately add OSM notes for businesses > there's no approved tagging for. > > I too, thought independently, about these human-readable description > tags like shop:merchandise: and how idiots (of which we have > an abundance already) or diary spammers (who laugh in admins' faces) > will abuse it. But who knows, this may be a viable solution. > Compare with "Business Name" at > https://support.google.com/business/answer/3038177?hl=en&ref_topic=4540086 > . > > So, I checked how Google does this. And here you have all the 2200+ > POI categories you can choose from when you add your > business/institution/whatever. > > http://pastebin.com/BHqXvkS4 > > It seems they flattened their hierarchy here, for instance every > cuisine has its own restaurant tag.. I guess internally there's some > tree of categories, so that searching non-specific terms returns > meaningful results. > > Anyway, our shop/service tagging system is quite flawed in its current > form and is suitable for consumption only at a basic level. > > This presents an issue that too few people think of OSM as an > ecosystem. We have disjoint teams (or individuals) developing > tagging/website/editors/map style/map applications. This isn't good > for creating a map that would serve users' needs (couldn't help myself > but write the proverbial "displace Google Maps" ;-) ) > > Greetings > Michał > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] English translations in non-english countries
been tagging a while in Japan, and a lot of larger infrastructure things - roads, motorways, train stations, have english names added in parenthesis, such as for Tokyo Station [東京駅] : name=東京 (Tokyo) Name:ja=東京 name:en=Tokyo There are hundreds of things that care labeled that way, I continued adding them for my area - and makes the basic set of the OSM data readable outside Japan - but Japanese names or English only maps would pull the clean render. I assumed this was a convention here in Japan, and I have been been working to look up the english tags and adding the English to the Japanese in the above format. Considering most large transportation places, even tollway exits, are clearly labeled in Japanese and English, this convention seemed a good solution for the general name. Today I noticed a professional and prolific tagger in my area has been deleting off all the english in parenthesis. Is there in OSM wide set for this? pulling all the default "(English)" labels off of an internationally focused map seems truly backwards. I know doing basic business tagging and whatnot may not need that, but for Transportation? Whats the deal there? Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
