Re: [Tagging] Structure on the end of tunnel to cover sun and avoid bright blindness
2014-05-14 7:17 GMT+02:00 Andrew Errington : > You could also refer to the Wiki: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tunnel > > "For covered passages which are open on one side, often found on mountain > roads or ways underneath a building, use covered=* in place of tunnel=*." > > Or tunnel=avalanche_protector > but these are quite distinct from what he wants to map, these look like this: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/65229337.jpg http://media3.news.ch/news/680/313512-4de97c69c4cee4603fb8c37a905af6c3.jpg cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Structure on the end of tunnel to cover sun and avoid bright blindness
On Wed, 14 May 2014 18:33:43 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-05-14 7:17 GMT+02:00 Andrew Errington : > > You could also refer to the Wiki: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tunnel > > > > "For covered passages which are open on one side, often found on mountain > > roads or ways underneath a building, use covered=* in place of tunnel=*." > > > > Or tunnel=avalanche_protector > > but these are quite distinct from what he wants to map, these look like > this: > http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/65229337.jpg > http://media3.news.ch/news/680/313512-4de97c69c4cee4603fb8c37a905af6c3.jpg > > cheers, > Martin Looks like covered=* to me. Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Structure on the end of tunnel to cover sun and avoid bright blindness
On 14.05.14 11:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/65229337.jpg PMJI, but this looks much like the end of runway 16/34 of Vienna International Airport, so neither sun nor avalanche protection... ;) /al ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] admin_level on nodes: wiki vs practice
2014-05-14 4:51 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien : > For a long time I believed that the > only practical reason for placing "capital=yes" or "state_capital=yes" > on a node was to help the renderer decide how to render the label; the > renderer could then avoid the trouble of handling relations, even > though it's not tht hard to handle them, and a good renderer would > have to handle them to support multipolygons anyway. > It is a misconception to think either you support "relations" or you don't. The relation concept is very flexible and open, allowing to map all kind of relations between the member objects, which themselves could be other relations etc., this means you'll have to write different code for every type of relation (and often also for different ways of mapping the with the same type of relation, think nested relations for instance). If you support multipolygon relations (which are e.g. supported by osm2pgsql) this doesn't give you automagically support for admin_centre roles as well. I agree that it seems not too hard to support this particular role, but so far it simply isn't there (AFAIK, maybe you can do it with lua?). "capital=yes" btw. is the older concept, the admin_centre role and even the boundary relation itself (of not the datatype relation per se) are more recent. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?
Interesting. So how is capital=* being used in Europe? On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Andreas Goss wrote: > Am 5/13/14 17:40 , schrieb Fernando Trebien: > >> So if you know how it's being done >> in yours, or if you can try figuring it out, please take a minute to >> describe it here briefly. > > > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/state_capital#map > > Pretty much answers that for state_capital=. Outside North & South America > as well as Pakistan state_capital= is bascially not used at all. > __ > openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 > wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 "Nullius in verba." ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?
Am 5/14/14 17:06 , schrieb Fernando Trebien: Interesting. So how is capital=* being used in Europe? Just running the overpass API with capital* over some countries: Spain: Using capital=8 extensivly (!!!) together with admin_level=8 not really using 4 or 6 though. France, Italy have some capital=6 (Not many) Germany, Romania some capital=4 Russia and to a small extent Ukraine capital=yes with admin_level=4 Lithania some capital="name" Portugal, Beglium, Netherlands, Norway, Danmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic taginfo=capital(except for maybe capital=2 and a few random tags Looks similar for most countries in Eastern Europe but didn't check every single one. => Overall it seems like the high number of capital= usage mostly comes from Spain. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?
"... Czech Republic taginfo=capital" what do you mean? So it seems that, except for Russia, the most common practice is as described in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/capital#Notes_on_actual_usage . We should probaby vote on this proposal now and make this the default practice. This makes admin_level unnecessary on any place nodes. It's easy to retag capitals in Brazil, and it would probably be easy in North America and in Russia too. But local apps might not like it very much. In Russia, apps could continue using admin_level for a while and slowly migrate the capital=[number] tag. On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: > Am 5/14/14 17:06 , schrieb Fernando Trebien: > >> Interesting. So how is capital=* being used in Europe? > > > Just running the overpass API with capital* over some countries: > > Spain: Using capital=8 extensivly (!!!) together with admin_level=8 not > really using 4 or 6 though. > > France, Italy have some capital=6 (Not many) > > Germany, Romania some capital=4 > Russia and to a small extent Ukraine capital=yes with admin_level=4 > > Lithania some capital="name" > > Portugal, Beglium, Netherlands, Norway, Danmark, Sweden, Switzerland, > Austria, Poland, Czech Republic taginfo=capital(except for maybe capital=2 > and a few random tags > Looks similar for most countries in Eastern Europe but didn't check every > single one. > > > => Overall it seems like the high number of capital= usage mostly comes from > Spain. > > > __ > openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 > wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 "Nullius in verba." ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?
"... Czech Republic taginfo=capital" what do you mean? Ooops. Must have deleted a line there. Bascally they are not using capital= at all apart for some exceptions as you can also see on taginfo. We should probaby vote on this proposal now and make this the default practice. This makes admin_level unnecessary on any place nodes. In my opinion it is still flat out WRONG to use capital=[number] or admin_level=[number] on place nodes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/capital#Combination_with_admin_level (see 5th comment by Marnen) __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?
Following from Aleksandr Dezhin's "Why not use admin_level=* without capital=yes?" in that wiki talk page, why not? Any place=city/town with admin_level=2 is a country capital. Any place=city/town/village with admin_level=4 is a state capital (at least in Brazil). This would remove the need for a capital=* tag. Non-capital cities would have admin_level=8. What happens if the place node has a different admin_level than specified by the relation would be... totally application-specific. On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: >> "... Czech Republic taginfo=capital" what do you mean? > > > Ooops. Must have deleted a line there. Bascally they are not using capital= > at all apart for some exceptions as you can also see on taginfo. > > >> We should probaby vote on this proposal now and make this the >> default practice. This makes admin_level unnecessary on any place >> nodes. > > > In my opinion it is still flat out WRONG to use capital=[number] or > admin_level=[number] on place nodes. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/capital#Combination_with_admin_level > (see 5th comment by Marnen) > > > __ > > openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 > wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 "Nullius in verba." ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?
Am 5/14/14 23:29 , schrieb Fernando Trebien: Any place=city/town/village with admin_level=4 is a state capital (at least in Brazil). What about your capital? According to Wikkipedia that's a capital of the Federal District, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras%C3%ADlia __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?
Brasília is the only exception which is a capital of two different administrative levels. And both the relations for the federal district [1] and the country [2] correctly express that idea. I know it's not a rule that applies to every country, and precisely because of that it would make even more sense to think about relations rather than node tags to express the idea of a "capital" generically. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/421151 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/59470 On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: > Am 5/14/14 23:29 , schrieb Fernando Trebien: > >> Any place=city/town/village >> with admin_level=4 is a state capital (at least in Brazil). > > > What about your capital? According to Wikkipedia that's a capital of the > Federal District, too. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bras%C3%ADlia > > __ > openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 > wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 "Nullius in verba." ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?
Am 5/15/14 01:10 , schrieb Fernando Trebien: Brasília is the only exception which is a capital of two different administrative levels. And both the relations for the federal district [1] and the country [2] correctly express that idea. As long as you only look at admin_level=2 and =4 But even so what's the use of tagging it on the node when there are exceptions? I know it's not a rule that applies to every country, and precisely because of that it would make even more sense to think about relations rather than node tags to express the idea of a "capital" generically. Exacly, so why tag the level number on the node when we have relations and can incude the capitals as role:admin_centre? And then there are no exceptions. Which is how it is usually done here in Germany. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: > Exacly, so why tag the level number on the node when we have relations and > can incude the capitals as role:admin_centre? And then there are no > exceptions. Which is how it is usually done here in Germany. I've checked the first 15 cities in this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Germany_by_population And it seems that in Germany's city nodes: - the federal capital is tagged with capital=yes+admin_level=2: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/240109189 - state capitals are tagged with capital=4, some (though far from the top of the list) also have is_capital=state - others have neither capital nor admin_level tags Things I did not understand: - Leipzig has is_capital=county on the node but admin_level=6 on the relation - Nurenberg has capital=5 on the node but admin_level=6 on the relation And some of these relations (though far from the top of the list) are not assigned an admin_centre role, even though the node exists. It seems that German capitals follow the pattern capital=[lowest admin_level of relations in which the city is admin_centre], except Berlin. > __ > openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 > wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 "Nullius in verba." ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
