Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?
2013/10/17 Dudley Ibbett > From a tourists perspective it is quite important to know whether it is > self catering accommodation or not. It is also important to know whether > it is a single building unit (i.e. house,cottage,chalet) as opposed to a > number of units in a building (i.e. apartments). I would be inclined to > use tourism=apartments for the latter. +1, an appartment would have a kitchen, while a guest house wouldn't (often) have a kitchen at disposition for the tourist, nor would a bed and breakfast typically. I also agree with the distinction chalet/cottage/hut and apartment. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?
On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:47:51 Dudley Ibbett wrote: > From a tourists perspective it is quite important to know whether it is > self catering accommodation or not. It is also important to know whether > it is a single building unit (i.e. house,cottage,chalet) as opposed to a > number of units in a building (i.e. apartments). I would be inclined to > use tourism=apartments for the latter. Types of tourist accommodation do > seem to be quite country specific. There are very few tourist apartments > in the UK but they are very common in Croatia for example. I would agree > that tourism=chalet would seem to be the most appropriate tag for a gîte. Surely it's simply a matter of tagging "There is accommodation of some kind here" and including a URL to the website? There is very little point in slicing the data so thinly, especially since renderers will paint a little picture that probably looks identical for any class of tourist accommodation. With a website URL, the OSM map user can hop over to the hotel's site and read all about the number of rooms and facilities. What I really think would be nice is to specify an osm.xml file that a business can put on its website. Inside OSM we would tag the place with a URL for that file, and we copy a small set of basic tags taken from that file, sufficient to render the object. Periodically we can automatically (or semi-automatically) refresh the tags with the content of the file. (If there is no file, or no URL we just tag manually as we do now). Then at runtime, whenever someone seems interested in the place the mapping app uses the URL to fetch the contents of the XML to display to the user. The advantage of this is that it distributes the data, and allows the site owner to maintain the details without filling OSM up with useless cruft. The XML file could even be dynamic and contain current vacancies, prices, upcoming closures (for renovation) etc. Best wishes, Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?
Andrew, I like your idea about the XML file, it is definitely how it will have to go, the idea is at the heart of the "Semantic Web" which is slowly evolving. Of course it shouldn't be just for accommodation, in fact virtually every object that we tag currently should be pulling it's metadata from the "Operator". However, we are quite a way off that I feel, so in the mean time we do need to, at the very least, structure our tags correctly and decide on the broad brush strokes for describing various objects. The granularity of the data is down to each individual mapper. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 18/10/2013 11:35, Andrew Errington wrote: On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:47:51 Dudley Ibbett wrote: From a tourists perspective it is quite important to know whether it is self catering accommodation or not. It is also important to know whether it is a single building unit (i.e. house,cottage,chalet) as opposed to a number of units in a building (i.e. apartments). I would be inclined to use tourism=apartments for the latter. Types of tourist accommodation do seem to be quite country specific. There are very few tourist apartments in the UK but they are very common in Croatia for example. I would agree that tourism=chalet would seem to be the most appropriate tag for a gîte. Surely it's simply a matter of tagging "There is accommodation of some kind here" and including a URL to the website? There is very little point in slicing the data so thinly, especially since renderers will paint a little picture that probably looks identical for any class of tourist accommodation. With a website URL, the OSM map user can hop over to the hotel's site and read all about the number of rooms and facilities. What I really think would be nice is to specify an osm.xml file that a business can put on its website. Inside OSM we would tag the place with a URL for that file, and we copy a small set of basic tags taken from that file, sufficient to render the object. Periodically we can automatically (or semi-automatically) refresh the tags with the content of the file. (If there is no file, or no URL we just tag manually as we do now). Then at runtime, whenever someone seems interested in the place the mapping app uses the URL to fetch the contents of the XML to display to the user. The advantage of this is that it distributes the data, and allows the site owner to maintain the details without filling OSM up with useless cruft. The XML file could even be dynamic and contain current vacancies, prices, upcoming closures (for renovation) etc. Best wishes, Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?
2013/10/18 Andrew Errington > Surely it's simply a matter of tagging "There is accommodation of some kind > here" and including a URL to the website? There is very little point in > slicing the data so thinly, especially since renderers will paint a little > picture that probably looks identical for any class of tourist > accommodation. > IMHO this isn't about "rendering", few people would look at a rendered map when looking for accomodation (usually you'd search in a db / with a query). We already have a system where we distinguish on the first level much more than "there is accomodation of some kind here", (IMHO that's good), so distinguishing an apartment from a hotel or a B&B / guest house or from a hostel does make sense - IMHO also at this very first level. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Imports] [NUUG kart] kartverket imports to OpenStreetMap
2013/10/18 Christoph Hormann > If you think this information is completely unreliable you can of course > ignore it all together. But keep in mind the river/stream distinction > is not an importance rating, therefore it is fully possible for a river > to run into a stream. > this discussion belongs into tagging (pulling it there). I always saw the distinction as an importance rating actually. Where do you get your idea from? A river running into a stream would make no sense to me. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Imports] [NUUG kart] kartverket imports to OpenStreetMap
On Friday 18 October 2013, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > If you think this information is completely unreliable you can of > > course ignore it all together. But keep in mind the river/stream > > distinction is not an importance rating, therefore it is fully > > possible for a river to run into a stream. > > this discussion belongs into tagging (pulling it there). > > I always saw the distinction as an importance rating actually. Where > do you get your idea from? A river running into a stream would make > no sense to me. As discussed previously stream is defined by width and of course the width of a waterway can decrease along its course - both through actual water loss by evaporation/seepage (not relevant in Norway) as well as due to terrain (for example a waterway being relatively wide and shallow on a flat upland while becomming narrow and deep in a narrow valley further downstream). And even if you'd change the definition of river/stream to represent importance this could never be locally verifiable and globally consistent at the same time. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Power transmission refinement
Hi, The power transmission proposal is now ready for vote. It opens now and will normally be closed November 1. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_transmission_refinement Here is a summery : - It improves power lines tagging and prepares for power routing introduction. - It introduces transition between underground and overground on poles/tower. - It extends gas_insulation from substation refinement proposal and adds neutral and ground conductors on power lines. Most of this content is advanced mapping and optional, basic mapping is given at the top of the page. Example are here to show how it goes. Thank you in advance for constructive feedback. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?
I made a proposal for tourism=apartment[1] so we have a place to refine the meaning of this tag. I think the difference between apartment and guest_house is not very clear, but I guess apartments are a bit bigger, often have kitchens, and there are less of them in an apartment house then there are rooms in a guest house. Guest_houses are a bit more like hotels. Another reason is that people already use tourism=apartment, because it's obviously a more natural word for people in several countries. Maybe a better way to describe them is with a subtag, tourism=guest_house + guest_house=apartment. [1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Apartment ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?
I've also modified the "Tag:tourism=guest_house" wiki and moved the "tourism=bed_and_breakfast" to a subtag "guest_house=bed_and_breakfast": http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dguest_house Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ?
As a humble surveyor and editor I would ask that we have tourism=apartment at the first level. An apartment is quite distinct from a hotel and a guest_house and we already separate out these along with motel, hostel and chalet at this level. The only debate for myself would be is at to whether it should be tourism=apartment or tourism=apartments. In many cases you will have a number of apartments for rent in a apartment building block but not necessarily all. In which case I presume it would be most appropriate to put a node in the building area rather than tagging the building area. Would you therefore need to put in a node for each apartment if it was tourism=apartment? Regards Dudley Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:21:44 +0200 From: dieterdre...@gmail.com To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] tourism=guest_house or tourism=bed_and_breakfast ? 2013/10/18 Andrew Errington Surely it's simply a matter of tagging "There is accommodation of some kind here" and including a URL to the website? There is very little point in slicing the data so thinly, especially since renderers will paint a little picture that probably looks identical for any class of tourist accommodation. IMHO this isn't about "rendering", few people would look at a rendered map when looking for accomodation (usually you'd search in a db / with a query). We already have a system where we distinguish on the first level much more than "there is accomodation of some kind here", (IMHO that's good), so distinguishing an apartment from a hotel or a B&B / guest house or from a hostel does make sense - IMHO also at this very first level. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
