[Tagging] Substation proposal approved - and a suggestion for a post-vote change
The substation refinement proposal has been approved by a large majority of voters. The new feature page can be found here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation Afterwards I regret a bit that I didn't reserve a dedicated value in the substation=* tag for the small street level substations (Trafohäuschen in German). I used the IEC definitions that suggest that anything below 100 kV or so should be considered 'distribution'. It may have been better to define this value only to cover the last level of transformation from medium voltage to low voltage supplied to household customers. This would address the concerns of some mappers, especially in central Europe, that used the old "station" vs "sub_station" to distinguish this. I propose to change the meaning of "substation=distribution" to be used only on substations at the last level of voltage transforming, thus the small street-level transformer kiosks etc supplied with medium voltage (typically 10-30 kV) and delivering low voltage power to households and small businesses. A small substation would then be tagged as power=substation and substation=distribution. Mappers could then unambiguously tag such facilities without having to know the actual voltage(s) employed in a given area. Tagging the voltage is still recommended, though. I would like to have opinions on this. If this change is made some substations at the 'second level' such as 60/10 kV now tagged as 'distribution' should have this tag removed. The current suggestion that small kiosk substations may be tagged as 'power=transformer' will then be removed to avoid any confusion. Only pole mounted transformers will keep their own tagging scheme (power=pole, transformer=yes/distribution). Ole N ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Substation proposal approved - and a suggestion for a post-vote change
2013/10/12 Ole Nielsen / osm > I propose to change the meaning of "substation=distribution" to be used > only on substations at the last level of voltage transforming, thus the > small street-level transformer kiosks etc supplied with medium voltage > (typically 10-30 kV) and delivering low voltage power to households and > small businesses. > IMHO the IEC are right with defining everything below 100kV as distribution, I wouldn't use this given term with a different meaning. Maybe you could add another term like local_distribution for the last level (Trafohäuschen), if you don't have confidence in the mappers tagging voltage levels. According to wikipedia:de there seem to be 4 agreed levels of power transport and distribution in Germany: * 220kV/400kV (national transport, also DC) * 110kV (regional transport) * 30-60kV (regional distribution) * 6-20kV (local distribution) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umspannwerk cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about "emergency=aed" or "emergency=defibrillator"
> From what I've seen in different pictures is that the label "AED" is > > never alone and you can read the word "defibrillator" translated into > > the local language for obvious reasons. I'm happy to see that in some > > countries, everybody knows what AED means... just think about the > > other countries. > >From what I've seen, not in pictures, but in the real world, AED branding predominates. The word "defibrillator", when present, is far smaller. I don't doubt there are people who know them as AED's without having the ability to pronounce or spell "defibrillator". There's a worldwide effort to adopt a single icon, and term, for these things. > How shall we tag a vending machine with an AED storage compartment? > Convention would be aed=yes Much like amenity=toilets drinking_water=yes But here I'd rather doubt there are enough of them to gain rendering traction. I'd make it two separate nodes. - Another question is how to mark (and render) AED's that are locked. Unless you have the code, or a crowbar, those might as well be disused: or not present. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about "emergency=aed" or "emergency=defibrillator"
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > There's a worldwide effort to adopt a single icon, and term, for these things. Icon, yes. Term, no. In latin countries, it's abbreviated as DAE or DEA. Check wikipedia interwiki's fyi, iyl. > Convention would be > aed=yes > Much like > amenity=toilets > drinking_water=yes Convention of what ? If the "emergency" is not entering in conflict with another "emergency" feature (which is not the case for vending machines, phone boxes or toilets, at least, in my understanding of the "emergency" key concept ;), no reason to change it. Just combine with any "amenity" or "whateveryoulike" keys. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about "emergency=aed" or "emergency=defibrillator"
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:37 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Another question is how to mark (and render) AED's that are locked. > Unless you have the code, > or a crowbar, those might as well be disused: or not present. The only locked one was photographed by me I believe. The instructions say that the code is obtained by calling 999, which makes sense because it means that a professional crew will be dispatched to the scene, and the ambulance service know that it has been used and therefore needs checking and servicing. An AED is only intended to keep a patient alive until qualified paramedics arrive. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Substation proposal approved - and a suggestion for a post-vote change
2013/10/12 Martin Koppenhoefer > > 2013/10/12 Ole Nielsen / osm > >> I propose to change the meaning of "substation=distribution" to be used >> only on substations at the last level of voltage transforming, thus the >> small street-level transformer kiosks etc supplied with medium voltage >> (typically 10-30 kV) and delivering low voltage power to households and >> small businesses. >> > definitely +1 > IMHO the IEC are right with defining everything below 100kV as > distribution, I wouldn't use this given term with a different meaning. > I don't agree. Imagine you find several 90 kV and 63 kV lines in such a substation connected with busbars. Then, the operator can use this stuff to make power transit between lines of a given power level and use transformers to transit between both 90 kV and 63 kV. That's transmission and not distribution obviously and it's below 100 kV. Furthermore, we can't qualify of "distribution" voltage levels which accept industrial client feeding : CERN is connected to French 400 kV (and I hope everyone will agree 400 kV isn't distribution). As far as i know, in France : 400 kV / 225 kV : national transport (RTE) 150 kV, 90 kV, 63 kV : regional transport (RTE) 20 kV, 400 V : local distribution (ERDF) Cheers, *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about "emergency=aed" or "emergency=defibrillator"
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:37 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > > Another question is how to mark (and render) AED's that are locked. > > Unless you have the code, > > or a crowbar, those might as well be disused: or not present. > > The only locked one was photographed by me I believe. Sadly I've seen locked. Some people will steal anything that's not screwed down, and some things that are merely nailed down. Usually there's a sign giving instructions on who to contact. I'll take a photo next time I see an AED like that. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
