Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

[Greg Troxel]

Jonathan Bennett  writes:

> A plot is the individual parcel of land within and allotment site that
> is let (rented, hired, or other synonym) to one tenant.

No argument with the reality, but note that in the US "parcel" means an
area of land that is delineated by a deed (at the registry of deeds) and
can be bought and sold.   I suspect that your entire allotments area is
one parcel and that the per-person areas are not "parcels" in the legal
sense.  In the US, that's definitely the case for the "community garden"
in my town.


I think the real objection was to landuse=.
We don't micromap within landuse.  For example, we don't have

landuse=retail:parking:grass_between_aisles

but just landuse=retail for the entire area - probably in most cases a
PARCEL on which the facility is located.


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[Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

[François Lacombe]

Hi,

Since the last discussions about that topic this summer, the choice has
been made to introduce man_made=tower and man_made=pole as an equivalent to
power=tower or power=pole in the power transmission refinement proposal.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_transmission_refinement#Usefullness_of_each_tower.2Fpole

Despite a pretty small consensus about that, it's the most consistent way
to let mappers use power=* to describe hosted features.

Nevertheless, using man_made=tower requires to add an extra tag to give the
usefulness of the tower.
tower:type=* is usually used to give this information.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tower:type#Tower_types
Some power poles may be used to roll out telecoms lines. Let's use
tower:type=power;communication

There is a conflict in power context because tower:type is also used to
give the tower structure
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtower#Tower_type


One of these tags should be renamed.
Which one should be targeted ?


Cheers.

*François Lacombe*

francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu
http://www.infos-reseaux.com
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=musical_instrument

[Matthijs Melissen]

Dear all,

As I mentioned in the thread 'How to overcome lack of consensus', I would
like to make some effort to align confirmed tags, actual use of tags, and
wiki-documentation. This RFC is my first effort in doing so. It is intended
to be uncontroversial, but you never know...

For shops selling musical instruments, there are currently two tags in use:
shop=musical_instrument and shop=musical_instruments. The singular (1327)
is used nearly 10 times as much as the plural (126). I suggest to confirm
the current situation by formally accepting the tag that is most often used
in practice (the singular form).

Please have a look at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/musical_instruments ,
and leave any comments you might have on the Talk page.
With kind regards,
Matthijs Melissen
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=musical_instrument

[Bryce Nesbitt]

Why not "shop=music".  The _instrument classifier seems overly restrictive
for stores that likely also sell sheet music, parts, and coordinate repairs.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=musical_instrument

[Dan S]

Well that one's easy to answer:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop=music
"A shop that primarily sells recorded music (vinyl/CDs)."

Dan

2013/9/21 Bryce Nesbitt :
> Why not "shop=music".  The _instrument classifier seems overly restrictive
> for stores that likely also sell sheet music, parts, and coordinate repairs.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Proposal for new tag: landuse=plot

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2013/9/21 Greg Troxel 

> No argument with the reality, but note that in the US "parcel" means an
> area of land that is delineated by a deed (at the registry of deeds) and
> can be bought and sold.   I suspect that your entire allotments area is
> one parcel and that the per-person areas are not "parcels" in the legal
> sense.  In the US, that's definitely the case for the "community garden"
> in my town.
>



yes, in Germany it is similar (see also the link above to an actual example
of parcels and allotments), allotments are mostly on several parcels but
much fewer than the plots into which they are divided.

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2013/9/21 François Lacombe 

> Nevertheless, using man_made=tower requires to add an extra tag to give
> the usefulness of the tower.
> tower:type=* is usually used to give this information.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tower:type#Tower_types
> Some power poles may be used to roll out telecoms lines. Let's use
> tower:type=power;communication
>



I continue to oppose the usage of man_made=tower for electricity lattice
towers (that what has been power=tower until now and which is 4,8 Million
times in use). Why should we change this well established practise, which
would require 4,8 Million new additional tags (tower:type=electricity) and
which doesn't even help to reduce potential multivalue conflicts? At least
I'd use man_made=power_tower or something similar, but IMHO if there are
problems with power=tower having other infrastructure on them this should
be dealt with in an alternative way possibly keeping power=tower.

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

[Ole Nielsen]

On 21/09/2013 21:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

I continue to oppose the usage of man_made=tower for electricity lattice
towers (that what has been power=tower until now and which is 4,8
Million times in use). Why should we change this well established
practise, which would require 4,8 Million new additional tags
(tower:type=electricity) and which doesn't even help to reduce potential
multivalue conflicts? At least I'd use man_made=power_tower or something
similar, but IMHO if there are problems with power=tower having other
infrastructure on them this should be dealt with in an alternative way
possibly keeping power=tower.


+1

And we will loose the elegant ability to retrieve all power features 
just by using a power=* query in Overpass.


Ole

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=musical_instrument

[Andreas Labres]

On 21.09.13 18:00, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> For shops selling musical instruments, there are currently two tags in use:
> shop=musical_instrument and shop=musical_instruments. The singular (1327) is
> used nearly 10 times as much as the plural (126).

This IMHO is a consequence of Key:shop suggesting the singular since 2009.

OTOH it is shop=clothes or shop=shoes, so wouldn't the plural make more sense
(that's probably what those 126 thought)?

/al

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Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

[Andreas Labres]

On 21.09.13 21:16, Ole Nielsen wrote:
> On 21/09/2013 21:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> I continue to oppose the usage of man_made=tower for electricity lattice
>> towers (that what has been power=tower until now and which is 4,8
>> Million times in use). Why should we change this well established
>> practise, which would require 4,8 Million new additional tags
>> (tower:type=electricity) and which doesn't even help to reduce potential
>> multivalue conflicts? At least I'd use man_made=power_tower or something
>> similar, but IMHO if there are problems with power=tower having other
>> infrastructure on them this should be dealt with in an alternative way
>> possibly keeping power=tower.

+1

> And we will loose the elegant ability to retrieve all power features just by
> using a power=* query in Overpass.

+1

/al

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[Tagging] shop=social_market ?

[Andreas Labres]

Hi!

Does "social market" make sense to native English speakers?

I'm looking for tagging what is called in German:

Sozialmarkt oder Sozialladen
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sozialmarkt_(Einzelhandel)


Also the "Tafeln" https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafel_(Organisation)
 should be covered, I'd 
say.

Is shop=social_market ok?

/al

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Re: [Tagging] shop=social_market ?

[malenki]

Am Sun, 22 Sep 2013 05:51:08 +0200
schrieb Andreas Labres :

> Does "social market" make sense to native English speakers?
> 
> I'm looking for tagging what is called in German:
> 
> Sozialmarkt oder Sozialladen
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sozialmarkt_(Einzelhandel)
> 
> 
> Also the "Tafeln" https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafel_(Organisation)
>  should be
> covered, I'd say.
> 
> Is shop=social_market ok?

Hint: the Interwiki-Link of
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafel_(Organisation)
points to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_bank

Besides, at a food bank you don't "shop"

Regards
Thomas

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Re: [Tagging] shop=social_market ?

[Dave Swarthout]

Never heard of such a thing. We certainly don't have such a market and
judging from our increasingly conservative government I doubt we ever will.

AlaskaDave


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Andreas Labres  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Does "social market" make sense to native English speakers?
>
> I'm looking for tagging what is called in German:
>
> Sozialmarkt oder Sozialladen
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sozialmarkt_(Einzelhandel)
> 
>
> Also the "Tafeln" https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafel_(Organisation)
>  should be
> covered, I'd say.
>
> Is shop=social_market ok?
>
> /al
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