[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Key:second_hand
Hi all, A very simple indication whether a shop sells second hand items too. Please place your votes. Someone already created a final page for it, with different wording, so please let's also re-vote on the value "second_hand=yes", despite that my page really reflects what we discussed: no "yes" value due to ambiguity. To avoid longer discussion, I would accept "yes" = "both" as final page suggests. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Second_Hand_Shops Thanks all, Ferenc [[User:kempelen]] -- Ferenc Veres http://www.wpsnet.com To send GPG encrypted message please use this key http://lion.xaraya.hu/images/ferenc_veres_gpg.txt and a program like this: http://www.gpg4win.org/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Alex Barth We had a similar discussion from a contributor working in Peru and their "cuadra" system. My proposal was to create a new tag "addr:block" (+ a name or a number) which could be attached on a parallel way along the street (like the addr:interpolation). But in your case, the "addr:block" could be set to a polygone (with the additional tags from "addr" as usual). Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
2012/4/24 Alex Barth > > - draw blocks as polygons > - tag with `landuse=residential` or `landuse=commercial` > - name with block number > > I don't like the "landuse" tag for this purpose. There could be two landuses on one block, there could be an empty block with no landuse but with a block name, and so on.. That tag isn't used for that. I would use place=neighbourhood for the polygon. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
What do they do in Japan? Japan has a block-oriented addressing system. I don't know how this is implemented in OSM, but maybe it can be used in Brasilia. Best wishes, Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
Interesting. Mannheim uses for a block named C2: area=yes name=C2 On Apr 24, 2012, at 2:57 AM, Michael Krämer wrote: > Am 24. April 2012 00:56 schrieb Alex Barth : > - Any previous discussions or existing practices I should be reading up on? > Brasilia is not the only place where block names are used instead of street > names. To my knowledge, other examples are some parts of Sofia/Bulgaria (I > see street names here [5]) and Japan (not sure where to look). > > The city center of Mannheim in Germany also uses blocks although there are > some named streets (example: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.487123&lon=8.464508&zoom=18&layers=M). > > Michael > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (202) 250-3633 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
I think I've seen the addr:block proposal (what's the link?) My understanding is that addr: fields would be attached to entities that are actually being addressed, i. e. buildings. Is this correct? That said. addr:block would indeed be useful for addresses on buildings in Brasilia. On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:18 AM, Pieren wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Alex Barth > > We had a similar discussion from a contributor working in Peru and > their "cuadra" system. My proposal was to create a new tag > "addr:block" (+ a name or a number) which could be attached on a > parallel way along the street (like the addr:interpolation). But in > your case, the "addr:block" could be set to a polygone (with the > additional tags from "addr" as usual). > > Pieren > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (202) 250-3633 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
I see your point. While Brasilia has indeed in many places single purpose blocks, this is likely not the case in all cities. However, place=neighbourhood is misleading as there are many blocks in a neighbourhood. I'm liking the `area=yes` as seen in Mannheim [1] better than `place=neighbourhood`. Thoughts? [1] https://skitch.com/alexbarth/8i8em/java-openstreetmap-editor On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:51 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > > 2012/4/24 Alex Barth > > - draw blocks as polygons > - tag with `landuse=residential` or `landuse=commercial` > - name with block number > > > I don't like the "landuse" tag for this purpose. There could be two landuses > on one block, there could be an empty block with no landuse but with a block > name, and so on.. That tag isn't used for that. I would use > place=neighbourhood for the polygon. > > Janko Mihelić > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (202) 250-3633 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
Thanks - any links? A quick look at Salt Lake City gives me street names. On Apr 23, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Apr 23, 2012 3:57 PM, "Alex Barth" wrote: > > > Brasilia and its satellites do not use street names, but an elaborate block > > numbering system. Before we start entering data, I'd like to propose a > > proper way to enter blocks. > > I would strongly consider taking a look at towns and cities in the American > west. There seems to be a positive correlation between the predominance of > the Latter Day Saints and this style of addressing in the US. Salt Lake City > is a good example, though I'm not sure how complete the address tagging is in > the area. > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (202) 250-3633 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > I'm liking the `area=yes` as seen in Mannheim [1] better than > `place=neighbourhood`. Thoughts? Oh no, please. area=yes has been created to distinguish highway loops and highway areas. For me, a tag "area=yes" not combined with a "highway" is a mistake. Then better use "place=neighbourhood". Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
Am 24. April 2012 16:04 schrieb Alex Barth : > > I see your point. While Brasilia has indeed in many places single purpose > blocks, this is likely not the case in all cities. However, > place=neighbourhood is misleading as there are many blocks in a neighbourhood. if neighbourhood is missleading, you could invent a place=block below neighbourhood. "neighbourhood" seems to be interpreted differently in different cultural backgrounds. Personally I always saw it as a relatively small entity, smaller than a quarter which would be smaller than a suburb. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > if neighbourhood is missleading, you could invent a place=block below > neighbourhood. "neighbourhood" seems to be interpreted differently in > different cultural backgrounds. Personally I always saw it as a > relatively small entity, smaller than a quarter which would be smaller > than a suburb. It seems that neighbourhood/district/quarter are very closed and hard to translate (as you say, it's cultural). But the "block" seems to be easy to define since it is the smallest area defined by a street grid. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
Pieren - thanks for pointing out that "area=yes" is highway only. How could the documentation for it be clearer [1]? Seems to me then that starting to use a value "block" for the "place" [2] key would be an appropriate solution. Examples: So for a block QNB12 in Brasilia, the tagging would be: place=block name=QNB12 For a block C2 in Mannheim, the tagging would be: place=block name=C1 (right now I find area=yes instead of place=block in Mannheim) Comments? [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:area [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place On Apr 24, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Pieren wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > >> I'm liking the `area=yes` as seen in Mannheim [1] better than >> `place=neighbourhood`. Thoughts? > > Oh no, please. area=yes has been created to distinguish highway loops > and highway areas. For me, a tag "area=yes" not combined with a > "highway" is a mistake. Then better use "place=neighbourhood". > > Pieren > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (202) 250-3633 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
Op 24 april 2012 16:44 schreef Pieren het volgende: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > if neighbourhood is missleading, you could invent a place=block below > > neighbourhood. "neighbourhood" seems to be interpreted differently in > > different cultural backgrounds. Personally I always saw it as a > > relatively small entity, smaller than a quarter which would be smaller > > than a suburb. > > It seems that neighbourhood/district/quarter are very closed and hard > to translate (as you say, it's cultural). But the "block" seems to be > easy to define since it is the smallest area defined by a street grid. > > Pieren > It isn't always that easy to define. It's possible that paths or maybe service roads run through blocks. And it's also possible that a block on the outside of a town is only surrounded with 3 streets. I would go for relations which define the boundaries. As most of the time, the boundaries are streets, almost no extra ways are needed. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
On 4/24/2012 2:13 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Pieren - thanks for pointing out that "area=yes" is highway only. How could the documentation for it be clearer [1]? It's not highway only. For example, it can be used on railway=platform: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/94063273 or man_made=pier: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/71124853 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia
On 2012-04-24 at 21:46:35 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 4/24/2012 2:13 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > >Pieren - thanks for pointing out that "area=yes" is highway only. How could > >the documentation for it be clearer [1]? > It's not highway only. For example, it can be used on > railway=platform: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/94063273 > or man_made=pier: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/71124853 but in both cases the meaning is "contrary to the default for the main tag, this feature has not been described by tracing its center line, but its perimeter" -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
