[Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?
There are two pedestrian/bicycle bridges in my area that were destroyed by a storm earlier in the year. What's the best way to tag them? Ideally, a renderer should be able to use the information to draw a big red X or something - there's quite a difference IMHO between absence of bridge and "there used to be a bridge, but it is currently out of action". Are the humanitarian tags supported by Mapnik, Cloudmade etc? Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?
On 9 August 2011 11:51, Steve Bennett wrote: > There are two pedestrian/bicycle bridges in my area that were > destroyed by a storm earlier in the year. What's the best way to tag > them? Ideally, a renderer should be able to use the information to > draw a big red X or something - there's quite a difference IMHO > between absence of bridge and "there used to be a bridge, but it is > currently out of action". How is this fundementally different than any other disused bridge? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?
On 8/8/11 10:06 PM, John Smith wrote: On 9 August 2011 11:51, Steve Bennett wrote: There are two pedestrian/bicycle bridges in my area that were destroyed by a storm earlier in the year. What's the best way to tag them? Ideally, a renderer should be able to use the information to draw a big red X or something - there's quite a difference IMHO between absence of bridge and "there used to be a bridge, but it is currently out of action". How is this fundementally different than any other disused bridge? is their removal permanent, or are they to be rebuilt? if they are going to be rebuilt in substantially the same place, i'd just set access=no with a README=destroyed by storm 201y-mm-dd, to be rebuilt, ETA 201y-mm-dd or something on that order. if they're gone and not going to be rebuilt, just remove them (as we're not good at historical data like this at present.) richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM, John Smith wrote: > How is this fundementally different than any other disused bridge? Overnight destruction is noteworthy, whereas slow decay into disuse is not. There are signs and safety barriers around the destroyed bridges, there are detours in place. A big red, eye-catching cross on a destroyed bridge makes sense - locals would probably know the bridge and expect it to be there, so the big red cross alerts them to the change. >is their removal permanent, or are they to be rebuilt? if they are going >to be rebuilt in substantially the same place, i'd just set access=no >with a README=destroyed by storm 201y-mm-dd, to be rebuilt, ETA 201y-mm-dd Well obviously there is a time between when it's destroyed and when there are firm plans for rebuilding. I'm presuming they would both be rebuilt at some point. IMHO a "README" is not the right approach as it is not shown to consumers of the map. >or something on that order. if they're gone and not going to be rebuilt, just >remove them (as we're not good at historical data like this at present.) Agreed, or maybe changed to abandoned=*. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?
On 9 August 2011 14:30, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM, John Smith wrote: >> How is this fundementally different than any other disused bridge? > > Overnight destruction is noteworthy, whereas slow decay into disuse is > not. There are signs and safety barriers around the destroyed bridges, > there are detours in place. A big red, eye-catching cross on a > destroyed bridge makes sense - locals would probably know the bridge > and expect it to be there, so the big red cross alerts them to the > change. You haven't really described how they are fundamentally different, stuff left to decay usually has signs etc put up as well. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?
is their removal permanent, or are they to be rebuilt? if they are going to be rebuilt in substantially the same place, i'd just set access=no with a README=destroyed by storm 201y-mm-dd, to be rebuilt, ETA 201y-mm-dd Well obviously there is a time between when it's destroyed and when there are firm plans for rebuilding. I'm presuming they would both be rebuilt at some point. IMHO a "README" is not the right approach as it is not shown to consumers of the map. it's about all we have right now. if you don't know when the circumstances will change, ETA: TBD works in the readmen. we don't have a good way of transmitting this knowledge to end users. README is primarily for mappers who might otherwise do unexpected things. an annotation class that can convey this sort of meta info to users might be worthwhile. want to make a proposal? richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
