Re: [Tagging] Decorative pool?

2010-11-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/1 Nathan Edgars II :
> What's the correct tag for a small decorative pool like this?
> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.540045,-81.378424&spn=0.000987,0.002575&t=k&z=20&layer=c&cbll=28.540331,-81.378715&panoid=i0K7FBmQ_sgIfvQ9U6mOJA&cbp=12,146.51,,0,2.8
> I used natural=water but that seems totally wrong. (I know about
> amenity=fountain, but (a) that would be a node inside the pool and (b)
> these don't always have fountains.)


AFAIK those 2 tags are those generally used for objects like this.
amenity=fountain is not just for nodes but for areas as well.

cheers,
Martin

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[Tagging] How to tag landscaping

2010-11-01 Thread Paul Norman
Bring me a shrubbery!

While doing some small-scale mapping, I came across an area of landscaping
roughly outlined in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Landscaping.png

Landscaping typically has small trees, shrubs, flowers, and other decorative
plants. Being artificial, the natural=scrub and natural=heath tags are not
suitable.


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Re: [Tagging] How to tag landscaping

2010-11-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/1 Paul Norman :
> Bring me a shrubbery!
>
> While doing some small-scale mapping, I came across an area of landscaping
> roughly outlined in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Landscaping.png
>
> Landscaping typically has small trees, shrubs, flowers, and other decorative
> plants. Being artificial, the natural=scrub and natural=heath tags are not
> suitable.


maybe you could invent a new subclass of garden? The scale of the
intervention in your foto suggests that this is not a "landscape"
(although landscaping might be the word to describe the process).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] Super-relations or not

2010-11-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst

Peter Budny wrote:
> If you want this to be the standard way of tagging things, then we 
> NEED to get the tools up to spec.  I also noticed that Potlatch 
> doesn't change the role from forward to backward when you 
> reverse a way.  (JOSM does the right thing, though.)

Patches welcome.

I'm not saying that as the standard snide answer to everything - I really
mean it. As people have been developing more and more intricate uses of
relations, the barrier to entry for new mappers gets higher, so yes, someone
needs to upgrade the tools to cope. And I'm not happy with being the sole
point of responsibility every time someone devises a new rule for use of
relations.

In particular P1's relations code needs:
- content-sensitive behaviour (like reversing forward/backward roles, and
only carrying through turn restrictions to the relevant ways in case of
split)
- relation ordering support
- super-relation support

Yell if you need any help getting to grips with the P1 source.

cheers
Richard


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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] Super-relations or not

2010-11-01 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 1 November 2010 14:46, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:

>
> - super-relation support
>

To anyone wanting to look at a nasty super relation, I would suggest looking
at the French administrative boundary which is a relation of relations.

Emilie Laffray
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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] Super-relations or not

2010-11-01 Thread Peter Budny
Marcus Wolschon  writes:

> I'm using routes in way-simplification to generate simplified maps for
> realtime rendering of larger areas when zooming out.
>
> It's quite a lot of work with LOTS of cases to try to sort
> route-relations that are randomly sorted with parts
> being other relations instead of ways, parts being contained twice,
> parts missing in the relation but having a
> ref= -tag or a ref_nat= -tag or ... , parts having a ref= -tag with
> the wrong road-number that should NOT be
> made a part of this simplified way,...

In fairness, much of that sounds like errors.  A route relation ought to
contain exactly the things that are part of it, no more no less.  The
ref=* tag on ways is irrelevant for a route relation.

What would you prefer to see the structure of the relation be, given
your druthers?  Should both directions of a road be in one relation,
tagged with roles?  Should a oneway=no way have a role?  Should it be in
the relation twice with different roles?  Should there be separate
relations for each direction with a super-relation to hold them both?
If super-relations are used, does it still make sense to use
forward/backward tags as appropriate?


As far as I'm concerned, the difference in what's required to tag things
is minimal between these concerns.  Therefore, wouldn't it make the most
sense to choose whichever is programmatically the easiest and most
flexible to deal with?
-- 
Peter Budny  \
Georgia Tech  \
CS PhD student \

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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] Super-relations or not

2010-11-01 Thread Peter Budny
Richard Fairhurst  writes:

> Peter Budny wrote:
>> If you want this to be the standard way of tagging things, then we 
>> NEED to get the tools up to spec.  I also noticed that Potlatch 
>> doesn't change the role from forward to backward when you 
>> reverse a way.  (JOSM does the right thing, though.)
>
> Patches welcome.

I'd love to try my hand at it... but it will have to wait until this
school semester is over and I have free time again.

In the meanwhile, e-mail debates about what ought to be the correct way
of doing things, whether or not it's supported currently, is all I can
manage.

But sure...you'll probably hear from me in a couple months when I get
buried in the code :-)
-- 
Peter Budny  \
Georgia Tech  \
CS PhD student \

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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] Super-relations or not

2010-11-01 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Peter Budny  wrote:
> As far as I'm concerned, the difference in what's required to tag things
> is minimal between these concerns.  Therefore, wouldn't it make the most
> sense to choose whichever is programmatically the easiest and most
> flexible to deal with?

It depends on what the you want to use route relations for. It's quite
possible that different uses would demand different ways of
structuring the route relation(s).

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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - right left

2010-11-01 Thread esperanza
Voting page :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/right_left
E.


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