Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Tyler Gunn wrote: > I think this is a HUGE improvement over what Google Maps shows: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.82372&lon=-97.20104&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF > > Tyler > Yup, the parking lots give you a real feel for the place. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
In the UK, they'd almost certainly be tagged as supermarkets, since our stores tend to have one product area dominant (eg groceries). Department stores are large shops with lots of different departments selling lots of different things from lots of different counters, but the staff (and the tills) all under one management. Typically with a large cosmetics department near the front door. Richard On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:02 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 6 May 2010 11:59, Katie Filbert wrote: >> Though, many Targets and Super Walmarts have large grocery sections, so they >> could also get shop=supermarket, and there might be a McDonalds, Pizza Hut >> or Taco Bell Express, and other things. Thus, we have the issue with how to >> assign multiple values (as separate pois, with relations, or separated with >> semicolons in a single poi, or other means of tagging) > > The different shops should get their own POI, the only difference is > they're indoors so you would need a laser range finder or guess the > position... > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On 6 May 2010 19:27, Richard Mann wrote: > In the UK, they'd almost certainly be tagged as supermarkets, since > our stores tend to have one product area dominant (eg groceries). > Department stores are large shops with lots of different departments > selling lots of different things from lots of different counters, but > the staff (and the tills) all under one management. Typically with a > large cosmetics department near the front door. In the US walmart/Kmart etc aren't the same thing as supermarkets, they have less emphasis on groceries... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
2010/5/6 John Smith : > On 6 May 2010 19:27, Richard Mann > wrote: >> In the UK, they'd almost certainly be tagged as supermarkets, since >> our stores tend to have one product area dominant (eg groceries). >> Department stores are large shops with lots of different departments >> selling lots of different things from lots of different counters, but >> the staff (and the tills) all under one management. Typically with a >> large cosmetics department near the front door. +1, in Germany it's the same. > In the US walmart/Kmart etc aren't the same thing as supermarkets, > they have less emphasis on groceries... in Germany all discount-stores (like Aldi, Lidl, Netto) are tagged as supermarkets, even though they are not real supermarkets but have a very limited selection in general and few groceries in particular. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up
2010/5/6 Tyler Gunn : > Here's the same area in OSM; I've added a lot of detail to this shopping > district including parking lots, buildings, and started to put in POIs. I > think this is a HUGE improvement over what Google Maps shows: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.82372&lon=-97.20104&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF +1, nice. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
>From my experience (in the USA), most WalMarts and KMarts only allocate a >small percentage of their floor space to groceries. The so-called "super >WalMarts" have a full range of groceries; even so, the grocery section takes >up only 20 percent or so of the store. --Original Message-- From: John Smith Sender: tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org To: OpenStreetMap tagging mailing list ReplyTo: OpenStreetMap tagging mailing list Subject: Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US Sent: May 6, 2010 4:43 AM On 6 May 2010 19:27, Richard Mann wrote: > In the UK, they'd almost certainly be tagged as supermarkets, since > our stores tend to have one product area dominant (eg groceries). > Department stores are large shops with lots of different departments > selling lots of different things from lots of different counters, but > the staff (and the tills) all under one management. Typically with a > large cosmetics department near the front door. In the US walmart/Kmart etc aren't the same thing as supermarkets, they have less emphasis on groceries... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
2010/5/6 John F. Eldredge : > From my experience (in the USA), most WalMarts and KMarts only allocate a > small percentage of their floor space to groceries. The so-called "super > WalMarts" have a full range of groceries; even so, the grocery section takes > up only 20 percent or so of the store. is this a proposal for est_floorspace:grocery=0.2 or for shop=supermarket, super=yes? If you think that shop=supermarket isn't sufficient I suggest to use additional tags rather than change or detailize (?) the definition of the main tag. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
Ok so I keep running into these; green areas visible on satellite imagery that are tagged as parks but aren't really. My first instinct was to remove them, but that was mostly met with skepticism and alternative tag suggestions. So I am thinking of inventing a couple of new tags for this: landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar). landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if they may look park-like on the satellite). -- Sasq ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
2010/5/6 Jonas Minnberg : > landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are > either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar). > landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if they > may look park-like on the satellite). For the first there is already landuse=grass, for the latter highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags, e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On 5/6/10 8:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/6 John F. Eldredge: > >> From my experience (in the USA), most WalMarts and KMarts only allocate a >> small percentage of their floor space to groceries. The so-called "super >> WalMarts" have a full range of groceries; even so, the grocery section takes >> up only 20 percent or so of the store. >> > > is this a proposal for est_floorspace:grocery=0.2 or for > shop=supermarket, super=yes? If you think that shop=supermarket isn't > sufficient I suggest to use additional tags rather than change or > detailize (?) the definition of the main tag. > i don't think that it would occur to a US based mapper to tag these discount stores as supermarkets, it's not intuitive to us and the wiki description of the tags wouldn't lead us there. department_store or general would be much more likely to be used (i've used department_store to date). most of these stores devote no more than 5 or 10% of their floorspace to food, and are otherwise inexpensive department stores, and i'm certainly having trouble seeing how 10% of their stock overrides the other 90% when it comes to tagging. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:53 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/6 Jonas Minnberg : > > landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are > > either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar). > > landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if > they > > may look park-like on the satellite). > > > For the first there is already landuse=grass, True, will use. > for the latter > highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags, > e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private. > This would really confuse I think. This problem normally comes from those rectangular green areas between buildings that turns out to be just backyards to apartment buildings. I don't think mapnik would render this correctly... Also, you can't always tell if you actually can walk there, it may be one of those in-between-building areas that are completely inaccessible. > Cheers, > Martin > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up
On Thu, 6 May 2010 12:37:10 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > +1, nice. > cheers, > Martin It definitely shows how incredibly pedestrian-unfriendly these big suburban box store "malls" are. There are buildings in a sea of parking lots. Lol. Tyler ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
2010/5/6 Richard Welty : > most of these stores devote no more than 5 or 10% of their floorspace to > food, and are otherwise inexpensive department stores, and i'm certainly > having trouble seeing how 10% of their stock overrides the other 90% when > it comes to tagging. I see. The type of discout stores we have here (there should be some wallmart as well, but I personally never encountered one) usually are mainly for food and have just occasionally some non-food articles (maybe 2-5% of their floor space), that's why we have no problem tagging them as supermarkets. Btw.: the department stores do not even render in the mapnik-style (I filed a ticket for this right now). Thinking a bit more I see that even in Germany there are indeed discount department stores. This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department stores and maybe others. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On 5/6/10 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate > discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department > stores and maybe others. > usable with any shop= where appropriate? i can see that. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
I am saying that, since the standard meaning of "supermarket" is "grocery store", at least in the USA, tagging such stores as department stores would more accurately reflect the merchandise available than tagging them as supermarkets. --Original Message-- From: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer To: John Eldredge To: OpenStreetMap tagging mailing list ReplyTo: m...@koppenhoefer.com Subject: Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US Sent: May 6, 2010 7:47 AM 2010/5/6 John F. Eldredge : > From my experience (in the USA), most WalMarts and KMarts only allocate a > small percentage of their floor space to groceries. The so-called "super > WalMarts" have a full range of groceries; even so, the grocery section takes > up only 20 percent or so of the store. is this a proposal for est_floorspace:grocery=0.2 or for shop=supermarket, super=yes? If you think that shop=supermarket isn't sufficient I suggest to use additional tags rather than change or detailize (?) the definition of the main tag. cheers, Martin -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I see. The type of discout stores we have here (there should be some > wallmart as well, but I personally never encountered one) usually are > mainly for food and have just occasionally some non-food articles > (maybe 2-5% of their floor space), that's why we have no problem > tagging them as supermarkets. Btw.: the department stores do not even > render in the mapnik-style (I filed a ticket for this right now). > Thinking a bit more I see that even in Germany there are indeed > discount department stores. > > This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate > discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department > stores and maybe others. > > I think Super Walmart & SuperTargets in the US are comparable with Carrefour -- the mega Carrefours, like ones I've been to in the Middle East & elsewhere. (I've also been to small Carrefours -- in central Buenos Aires -- that are only supermarkets). Super Walmart and such have full grocery stores (selling fruits, veggies, etc.) in addition to all the other sections. If I were mapping these, they would get the supermarket tag, perhaps in combination with department store. Then, in the US, we have regular, smaller (still big) Targets and Walmarts that mainly sell a variety of other stuff. I would give these just department store tags, though also tagging them as discount=yes would be fine. -Katie > cheers, > Martin > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Katie Filbert @filbertkm ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Cleaning up
2010/5/6 Tyler Gunn : > > On Thu, 6 May 2010 12:37:10 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer >> +1, nice. >> cheers, >> Martin > > It definitely shows how incredibly pedestrian-unfriendly these big > suburban box store "malls" are. There are buildings in a sea of parking > lots. Lol. sure. Mapping landuse is quite easy in these surroundings ;-) If they hadn't torn down all those old parts of the "downtown" in the 50ies and 60ies it could be different ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
2010/5/6 Jonas Minnberg : > Also, you can't always tell if you actually can walk there, it may be one of > those in-between-building areas that are completely inaccessible. access=no although "completely inaccessible" is always relative: do you have to climb a fence? Dig a tunnel? Use a boat? Use a rocket (->moon)? I find mapping barriers extremely useful. For fences and walls please also consider to add the height. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
Jonas Minnberg napsal(a): > > Ok so I keep running into these; green areas visible on satellite > imagery that are tagged as parks but aren't really. > > My first instinct was to remove them, but that was mostly met > with skepticism and alternative tag suggestions. So I am thinking of > inventing a couple of new tags for this: > > landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are > either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar). I'm not sure how much appropriate usage is it, but it's pretty common in Czech republic to tag these areas landuse='village_green', because it's not always only grass. > landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if > they may look park-like on the satellite). There is ongoing thread in talk-cz, because some people started to tag these back yards around family houses like leisure=garden, but not everyone agrees that this is the right tag. Here in Czech republic it's often just grass, few trees or other plants (functional or aesthetical), usually fenced and definitely no public access. I guess it would be nice to have some way to tag this and distinguish it from "true" garden. Regards, Petr Morávek <> signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
On 06/05/2010 13:49, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > Ok so I keep running into these; green areas visible on satellite > imagery that are tagged as parks but aren't really. > > My first instinct was to remove them, but that was mostly met > with skepticism and alternative tag suggestions. So I am thinking of > inventing a couple of new tags for this: > > landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are > either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar). > > landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if > they may look park-like on the satellite). I think "yard" is a rather vague word, as it could also be a farmyard, industrial yard, courtyard, shipyard etc. What about landuse=curtilage See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtilage This is the official / legal term for the enclosed area around a dwelling. And its (usually) private, not accessible by the public. It might include a lawn, trees/plants, a shed, a paved area etc. Craig ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
Jonas Minnberg wrote: > [snip] > > landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if > they may look park-like on the satellite). In the UK we would sometimes call a backyard a garden. leisure=garden already exists. Cheers, Chris ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
On Thursday 06 May 2010 15:06:36 Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > for the latter > > highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags, > > e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private. > > This would really confuse I think. This is not confusing, it is simply wrong. Nobody in his right mind will tag a private yard/garden with highway=pedestrian. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
However, grassy areas around businesses, schools, public buildings, and the like may or may not be open to use by members of the general public. Some locations also have private parks (reserved for use by the organizations that own, or have leased, the space. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Cartinus Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:31:54 To: Subject: Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited) On Thursday 06 May 2010 15:06:36 Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > for the latter > > highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags, > > e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private. > > This would really confuse I think. This is not confusing, it is simply wrong. Nobody in his right mind will tag a private yard/garden with highway=pedestrian. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
On 6 May 2010 22:49, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > landuse=lawn (For smaller areas of kept grass that are > either inaccessible or not meant to - you know - picnic on or similar). > landuse=yard (For private backyards etc, usually inaccessible, even if they > may look park-like on the satellite). Please don't confuse land use, what the land is used for, and land cover, what is the upper most covering on the "ground"... How about using surface=grass or surface=lawn instead? You might also want to consider surface=astroturf for people that have fake lawns and in sports stadiums etc... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
On 7 May 2010 00:31, Cartinus wrote: > On Thursday 06 May 2010 15:06:36 Jonas Minnberg wrote: >> > for the latter >> > highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags, >> > e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private. >> >> This would really confuse I think. > > This is not confusing, it is simply wrong. > > Nobody in his right mind will tag a private yard/garden with > highway=pedestrian. surface=pavers... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
2010/5/6 Cartinus : > On Thursday 06 May 2010 15:06:36 Jonas Minnberg wrote: >> > for the latter >> > highway=pedestrian, area=yes. For accessibility use the access-tags, >> > e.g. in your examples access=no and access=private. >> >> This would really confuse I think. > > This is not confusing, it is simply wrong. > > Nobody in his right mind will tag a private yard/garden with > highway=pedestrian. if it's a garden, I would tag it like this (leisure=garden, access=private) if it's a backyard, it is IMHO not wrong. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: > > I think "yard" is a rather vague word, as it could also be a farmyard, > industrial yard, courtyard, shipyard etc. > That is what I like about it - when all I can find out about an area is that is green and lies in between buildings, "yard" is an appropriately vague word. The area=yes, surface=grass tag mentioned will also work to that effect. What about landuse=curtilage > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtilage > This is the official / legal term for the enclosed area around a > dwelling. And its (usually) private, not accessible by the public. > It might include a lawn, trees/plants, a shed, a paved area etc. > > Will work for when I can visibly confirm it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
I would be glad if we could resolve the question of how to tag private backyards/gardens or whatever you want to call that in one word - I mean the green area around family houses, often only grass, sometimes few trees or other plants (varying from roses to a bed of carrot), usually fenced and definitely no public access. I assume this area goes under landuse='residential', so whatever other tag goes there, it shouldn't be landuse. Some people tag this as leisure='garden', but in my opinion a lawn behind a family house hardly qualifies for this tag, in fact according to the descriptions on wiki it's more consistent with leisure='park'... I think neither of them is correct. To the proposed solutions in this thread: * highway=pedestrian, area=yes - It doesn't really make sense to me to tag private fenced and _green_ areas by highway tag. * surface=grass, surface=lawn, surface=whatever - I don't like this because what I really want to map is not that my neighbour has a lawn behind his house, but the fact that there is a private "green" property - I think it makes no sense to try to map and tag every piece of these areas like "this" is grass, "this" is a bed of carrot, "there" are roses, "here" we have some bushes etc. * leisure='garden' or leisure='park' - see above Best regards, Petr Morávek signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
2010/5/6 "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" : > To the proposed solutions in this thread: > * highway=pedestrian, area=yes - It doesn't really make sense to me to > tag private fenced and _green_ areas by highway tag. sure, for green areas it isn't, for paved ones it IMO is. > * surface=grass, surface=lawn, surface=whatever - I don't like this > because what I really want to map is not that my neighbour has a lawn > behind his house, but the fact that there is a private "green" property add access=private? > - I think it makes no sense to try to map and tag every piece of these > areas like "this" is grass, "this" is a bed of carrot, "there" are > roses, "here" we have some bushes etc. why not? As long as people do want to do this and only tag what is there, I don't have a problem with it. > * leisure='garden' or leisure='park' - see above leisure=park is not the right choice, sure. But leisure=garden could IMO qualify. a) because it is at least in some areas common practise ;-) and b) the size of the garden is already determined by the size of the polygon. If you use this tag only for huge gardens of estates/castles it is more or less useless and hard to tell the difference from a park. Parks also have sometimes fences around them, limited access, no access, fee for access, castles / mansions and others inside them. Big gardens are basically parks! Gardens on the other hand can be completely different, from french barocque gardens to English gardens to zen gardens (not even green). All of them are usually much bigger then the usual detached house garden, and can therefore simply be differentiated automatically just by their size (e.g. mapnik can do this without any "additional processing" just by standard rules). For human readers of the map it is even easier. I therefore suggest to use leisure=garden and add subtags for the style (some might suit only bigger gardens): garden=Chinese garden=English garden=à_la_française (for French gardens) garden=rosarium (for rose gardens) garden=unclassified (suitable for many small private gardens) and maybe also subtags for the use: a) flower garden b) fruit and vegetable / kitchen garden (what tag could suit this? type?) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
On 7 May 2010 06:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > and maybe also subtags for the use: > a) flower garden > b) fruit and vegetable / kitchen garden > (what tag could suit this? type?) garden=horticulture ? horticulture=flowers|vegetables|fruit Although then you get into all kinds of fun debates over if tomatoes and other things are fruits or vegetables :D ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Richard Welty wrote: > On 5/6/10 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate > > discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department > > stores and maybe others. > > usable with any shop= where appropriate? i can see that. > > richard > Even discount=yes is subjective what is sold here in this sort of shop is often cheap junk, and not a bargain Every electrical and white goods store in Au "discounts" because the recommended prices are inflated initially. It all looks good in the brochure. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Green areas that are not parks (revisited)
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Jonas Minnberg wrote: > > That is what I like about it - when all I can find out about an area is that > is green and lies in between buildings, "yard" is an appropriately vague word. You say you only know two things: 1) "it is green" --> color=green (IMHO, this is silly - don't bother mapping this) 2) "lies in between buildings" --> just map the buildings with building=yes areas On the other hand, if you actually know that it's a private garden, then that's a different story - see the other posts about how to tag this. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On 5/6/10 4:52 PM, Liz wrote: > On Thu, 6 May 2010, Richard Welty wrote: > >> On 5/6/10 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >>> This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate >>> discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department >>> stores and maybe others. >>> >> usable with any shop= where appropriate? i can see that. >> >> richard >> >> > Even discount=yes is subjective > what is sold here in this sort of shop is often cheap junk, and not a bargain > Every electrical and white goods store in Au "discounts" because the > recommended prices are inflated initially. It all looks good in the brochure. > well, yes, but within the US at least, i think there's broad agreement that one tier of department store (walmart, kmart, target) is "discount" with respect to another (macys, pennys, nordstrom, etc.) richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On 7 May 2010 07:03, Richard Welty wrote: > well, yes, but within the US at least, i think there's broad agreement > that one tier of department > store (walmart, kmart, target) is "discount" with respect to another > (macys, pennys, nordstrom, > etc.) The same thing is true of Australia... Although I still haven't figured out the relationship between kmart in Australia and kmart in the US, but they're similar... but I'd consider kmart a discount store compared to myre's, david jones, grace brothers, etc... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On Fri, 7 May 2010, John Smith wrote: > On 7 May 2010 07:03, Richard Welty wrote: > > well, yes, but within the US at least, i think there's broad agreement > > that one tier of department > > store (walmart, kmart, target) is "discount" with respect to another > > (macys, pennys, nordstrom, > > etc.) > > The same thing is true of Australia... Although I still haven't > figured out the relationship between kmart in Australia and kmart in > the US, but they're similar... but I'd consider kmart a discount store > compared to myre's, david jones, grace brothers, etc... > nothing is actually cheaper in target or kmart Australia when you compare exact items eg branded toys like Lego it's all illusion ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 7:13 AM, John Smith wrote: > >> well, yes, but within the US at least, i think there's broad agreement >> that one tier of department >> store (walmart, kmart, target) is "discount" with respect to another >> (macys, pennys, nordstrom, etc.) > > The same thing is true of Australia... I disagree that there's "broad agreement" here on what stores are "discount" stores. I've never heard anyone in Australia refer to Kmart or Target as a "discount" store. I have heard this word used for, say, "Crazy Clarks" or "Dollars and Sense". But I would have trouble objectively defining what it is, exactly, that makes "Crazy Clarks" a "discount" store. Seeing "discount=yes" tagged on a Target store would confuse me. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On 5/6/10 8:30 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: > > I disagree that there's "broad agreement" here on what stores are > "discount" stores. > > I've never heard anyone in Australia refer to Kmart or Target as a > "discount" store. I have heard this word used for, say, "Crazy Clarks" > or "Dollars and Sense". But I would have trouble objectively defining > what it is, exactly, that makes "Crazy Clarks" a "discount" store. > > Seeing "discount=yes" tagged on a Target store would confuse me. > well, it's hardly critial, department_store will do ok w/o the discount tag. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging for discount stores in US
On 7 May 2010 10:30, Roy Wallace wrote: > I've never heard anyone in Australia refer to Kmart or Target as a > "discount" store. I have heard this word used for, say, "Crazy Clarks" > or "Dollars and Sense". But I would have trouble objectively defining > what it is, exactly, that makes "Crazy Clarks" a "discount" store. I wouldn't tag crazy clarkes as a department store, Kmart and Target are along with David Jones, Myer's, Grace Brothers... However Kmart/Target aren't in the same class as David Jones etc, hence the discount tag... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Scales / weigh stations
Periodically along US highways, there are giant scales for trucks to get a weight certificate to comply with various laws. How should these be tagged? How about: highway=motorway_link for the ramps linking to the motorway highway=scale for the scale node/area -- Alan Mintz ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Scales / weigh stations
On 7 May 2010 15:54, Alan Mintz wrote: > Periodically along US highways, there are giant scales for trucks to get a > weight certificate to comply with various laws. How should these be tagged? > How about: > > highway=motorway_link for the ramps linking to the motorway > highway=scale for the scale node/area They're called weigh bridges here... scale might be a bit ambiguous... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
