Re: [Sursound] Orah
Hi, Compare Orah with Jaunt. https://www.jauntvr.com/technology/ Large price difference. Jaunt has many more cameras. No microphone built in. Have seen it used with what looked like one of Len's Core Sound microphones and a Tascam recorder. There aren't many places to hide microphones with cameras like these. Ciao, Dave Hunt From: Marc Lavallee Date: 8 April 2016 19:00:24 BDT To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: [Sursound] Orah Finally, a 3D camera with an integrated FOA microphone? https://www.orah.co/tech-specs/ https://www.orah.co/about/ : "In addition, the ambisonic 3D sound capture capabilities of Orah enable the viewer of the content to locate the origin of the sound source with a VR headset, bringing the feeling of immersion to a stunning new level." https://www.orah.co/ : Looking at the pictures and captions, it says: "Immersive Sound, Four high dynamic-range microphones for ambisonic 3D sound". The capsules (or mems?) look soldered on the sides of PC boards, listening through holes. -- Marc From: Jörn Nettingsmeier Date: 8 April 2016 22:26:50 BDT To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Orah On 04/08/2016 08:00 PM, Marc Lavallee wrote: Finally, a 3D camera with an integrated FOA microphone? https://www.orah.co/tech-specs/ https://www.orah.co/about/ : "In addition, the ambisonic 3D sound capture capabilities of Orah enable the viewer of the content to locate the origin of the sound source with a VR headset, bringing the feeling of immersion to a stunning new level." https://www.orah.co/ : Looking at the pictures and captions, it says: "Immersive Sound, Four high dynamic-range microphones for ambisonic 3D sound". The capsules (or mems?) look soldered on the sides of PC boards, listening through holes. very far apart, with body resonances that i don't want to imagine. hate to be negative about so much exciting new tech, but "stick n>=4 cheap capsules somewhere and call it ambisonic" seems questionable to me. simple truth of the matter is that as long as video techs add mics as an afterthought, the results are going to suck, badly. -- Jörn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160410/2f6e220a/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Orah
On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 13:22:05 +0100, Dave Hunt wrote : > Compare Orah with Jaunt. > > https://www.jauntvr.com/technology/ > > Large price difference. Jaunt has many more cameras. For more horizontal resolution. > No microphone built in. Have seen it used with what looked like one > of Len's Core Sound microphones and a Tascam recorder. https://www.jauntvr.com/jaunt-one/ : "360° audio is supported through ambisonic field recordings, or in post using the Dolby ATMOS** toolset" > There aren't many places to hide microphones with cameras like these. I would put the microphone under the camera, keeping some distance in between so they don't interfere too much, using a special microphone holder in the form of a camera holder, built as a kind of tripod extension. A drawing would help... -- Marc > Ciao, > > Dave Hunt > > > > From: Marc Lavallee > > Date: 8 April 2016 19:00:24 BDT > > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > > Subject: [Sursound] Orah > > > > > > > > Finally, a 3D camera with an integrated FOA microphone? > > https://www.orah.co/tech-specs/ > > > > https://www.orah.co/about/ : > > "In addition, the ambisonic 3D sound capture capabilities of Orah > > enable the viewer of the content to locate the origin of the sound > > source with a VR headset, bringing the feeling of immersion to a > > stunning new level." > > > > https://www.orah.co/ : > > Looking at the pictures and captions, it says: "Immersive Sound, > > Four high dynamic-range microphones for ambisonic 3D sound". The > > capsules (or mems?) look soldered on the sides of PC boards, > > listening through holes. > > > > -- > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > From: Jörn Nettingsmeier > > Date: 8 April 2016 22:26:50 BDT > > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Orah > > > > > > On 04/08/2016 08:00 PM, Marc Lavallee wrote: > >> > >> Finally, a 3D camera with an integrated FOA microphone? > >> https://www.orah.co/tech-specs/ > >> > >> https://www.orah.co/about/ : > >> "In addition, the ambisonic 3D sound capture capabilities of Orah > >> enable the viewer of the content to locate the origin of the sound > >> source with a VR headset, bringing the feeling of immersion to a > >> stunning new level." > >> > >> https://www.orah.co/ : > >> Looking at the pictures and captions, it says: "Immersive Sound, > >> Four high dynamic-range microphones for ambisonic 3D sound". The > >> capsules (or mems?) look soldered on the sides of PC boards, > >> listening through holes. > > > > very far apart, with body resonances that i don't want to imagine. > > hate to be negative about so much exciting new tech, but "stick > > n>=4 cheap capsules somewhere and call it ambisonic" seems > > questionable to me. simple truth of the matter is that as long as > > video techs add mics as an afterthought, the results are going to > > suck, badly. > > > > > > -- > > Jörn Nettingsmeier > > Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 > > > > Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio) > > Tonmeister VDT > > > > http://stackingdwarves.net > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160410/2f6e220a/attachment.html> > ___ Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics for Android and also Oculus..
Le 16-04-05 07:05, Courville, Daniel a écrit : >Le 16-04-04 17:42, Courville, Daniel a écrit : > >>So it seems that there's a gain error in the O channel of the ambiX converter. > >There will be a new release of ambiX in a few days fixing this problem. The new version is now available: http://www.matthiaskronlachner.com/?p=2015 Thanks Matthias! ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Orah
Marc Lavallee wrote: Finally, a 3D camera with an integrated FOA microphone? https://www.orah.co/tech-specs/ https://www.orah.co/about/ : "In addition, the ambisonic 3D sound capture capabilities of Orah enable the viewer of the content to locate the origin of the sound source with a VR headset, bringing the feeling of immersion to a stunning new level." https://www.orah.co/ : Looking at the pictures and captions, it says: "Immersive Sound, Four high dynamic-range microphones for ambisonic 3D sound". The capsules (or mems?) look soldered on the sides of PC boards, listening through holes. -- Marc Some related article, with some additional background information: http://www.roadtovr.com/videostich-unveils-orah-4i-one-livestreaming-4k-360-camera/ "I got to see a functional build of VideoStich’s new camera up close. Although the unit isn’t yet sealed, it was fully functional, including livestreaming. " Boasting 4 channel ambisonic sound with 4 on-board microphones, the Orah 4i is hoping to make an impression with a growing number of 360 content creators that demand "a bare minimum of positional audio" in their videos, (whatever this means... ;-) ) * 4096×2048 H.264 High Profile (4K) * 30 fps * 4 Channel Ambisonic @ BFormat * 100% anodized precipitation-hardened aluminum housing * 80 x 70 x 65 mm 480g or 3.1 x 2.7 x 2.5 inches 17 oz The aimed price range seems to be very competitive for a professional product in this market. (I am not trying to promote anything, just to be clear..) Kind regards, Stefan P.S.: Obviously they record in B format, like everybody else using a SF mike... (so, no "YT FOA format", or alike.) ... convenience factors, like built-in image stabilization and its automatic post-processing function which goes through the supplied ‘stitching box’, a dedicated mini-computer designed to polish up the video for livestreaming that then outputs equirectangular video, or the same format used by Facebook, Youtube, Vrideo, Littlstar, Bitmovin, and others. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Orah
Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, Compare Orah with Jaunt. https://www.jauntvr.com/technology/ Large price difference. Jaunt has many more cameras. No microphone built in. Have seen it used with what looked like one of Len's Core Sound microphones and a Tascam recorder. Exactly. Anybody who uses a JauntVR camera can afford a SF mike of probably any manufacturer. (And you could record audio also in 7.1+4H, if you prefer an emerging "immersive TV audio standard". ) See also NextVR: http://www.sportsvideo.org/2016/03/15/nextvr-fox-sports-bring-vr-to-big-east-mens-basketball-tournament/ The final mix comprised audio from binaural microphones placed at each camera location and a direct pull of elements from the Fox Sports audio mix. Surround and directional placing of sound is critical to the feel of the experience, and NextVR and Fox Sports placed an emphasis on a lower announcer volume beneath prominent on-court sounds, including bouncing of the ball and squeaking of sneakers. Best, Stefan -- From: Marc Lavallee Date: 8 April 2016 19:00:24 BDT To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: [Sursound] Orah Finally, a 3D camera with an integrated FOA microphone? https://www.orah.co/tech-specs/ https://www.orah.co/about/ : "In addition, the ambisonic 3D sound capture capabilities of Orah enable the viewer of the content to locate the origin of the sound source with a VR headset, bringing the feeling of immersion to a stunning new level." https://www.orah.co/ : Looking at the pictures and captions, it says: "Immersive Sound, Four high dynamic-range microphones for ambisonic 3D sound". The capsules (or mems?) look soldered on the sides of PC boards, listening through holes. -- Marc From: Jörn Nettingsmeier Date: 8 April 2016 22:26:50 BDT To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] Orah On 04/08/2016 08:00 PM, Marc Lavallee wrote: Finally, a 3D camera with an integrated FOA microphone? https://www.orah.co/tech-specs/ https://www.orah.co/about/ : "In addition, the ambisonic 3D sound capture capabilities of Orah enable the viewer of the content to locate the origin of the sound source with a VR headset, bringing the feeling of immersion to a stunning new level." https://www.orah.co/ : Looking at the pictures and captions, it says: "Immersive Sound, Four high dynamic-range microphones for ambisonic 3D sound". The capsules (or mems?) look soldered on the sides of PC boards, listening through holes. very far apart, with body resonances that i don't want to imagine. hate to be negative about so much exciting new tech, but "stick n>=4 cheap capsules somewhere and call it ambisonic" seems questionable to me. simple truth of the matter is that as long as video techs add mics as an afterthought, the results are going to suck, badly. -- Jörn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160410/2f6e220a/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Anyone know anything about this?
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 04/08/2016 04:26 PM, Marc Lavallee wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 15:13:16 +0200 Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: They might have very pragmatic reasons: if they know their equivalent input noise is at 30 dB SPL and their capsules barf at 120, then restricting the word length to 96 dB is a perfectly reasonable decision, given the extremely cramped space and the thermal challenges inside the sphere. It does not leave much room for error though, so they better get their analog gains right. It makes sense. Thanks. So what 96kHz refers to? 96 kHz is probably due to the marketing department looking for something that suggests "hi-resolution"... 48kHz makes a lot of sense, and is actually the film and TV standard. It also makes sense to go a bit higher, and then probably to 48kHz * 2. (Which you can convert easily to 44.1kHz, if required.) This is such an old story, and has been discussed so many times here... Best, St. P.S.: And how is 5.1 usually recorded, just as an academic question? :-D They support (also) 5.1 output, at least at 1st view. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
