[Sursound] Soundfield ST350

[Steven Boardman]

Anyone know what compatible Rycote parts can be used with a Soundfield
ST350 / ST450.
I have quite a few Rycote sets and am reluctant to purchase another full
set from soundfield.
They and their distributors have been less than help full in telling me
what parts are the same.  (they use different part numbers than Rycote).
Rycote also can't tell me,  as they only make them for soundfield, and say
I need to contact them!

Best

Steve
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Re: [Sursound] Soundfield ST350

[Jörn Nettingsmeier]

On 02/08/2016 02:03 PM, Steven Boardman wrote:

Anyone know what compatible Rycote parts can be used with a Soundfield
ST350 / ST450.
I have quite a few Rycote sets and am reluctant to purchase another full
set from soundfield.
They and their distributors have been less than help full in telling me
what parts are the same.  (they use different part numbers than Rycote).
Rycote also can't tell me,  as they only make them for soundfield, and say
I need to contact them!


i don't have the blimp for the st450, but the lyre suspension that came 
with it is red (in the hope that it'c color-coded for weight).
the length of the microphone body including connector and curved cable 
is about 30 cm (see photo sent in private that's probably not going to 
make it to the list).


best,


jörn





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Re: [Sursound] Soundfield ST350

[Steven Boardman]

Thanks Jörn

I probably should of mentioned;
It's the windjammer kit parts I was referring to. I will be using it in the
field.

Best

Steve
On 8 Feb 2016 8:47 pm, "Jörn Nettingsmeier" 
wrote:

> On 02/08/2016 02:03 PM, Steven Boardman wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what compatible Rycote parts can be used with a Soundfield
>> ST350 / ST450.
>> I have quite a few Rycote sets and am reluctant to purchase another full
>> set from soundfield.
>> They and their distributors have been less than help full in telling me
>> what parts are the same.  (they use different part numbers than Rycote).
>> Rycote also can't tell me,  as they only make them for soundfield, and say
>> I need to contact them!
>>
>
> i don't have the blimp for the st450, but the lyre suspension that came
> with it is red (in the hope that it'c color-coded for weight).
> the length of the microphone body including connector and curved cable is
> about 30 cm (see photo sent in private that's probably not going to make it
> to the list).
>
> best,
>
>
> jörn
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487
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>
> http://stackingdwarves.net
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Re: [Sursound] Soundfield ST350

[Chris]

I can't reply for Rycote officially, because I only design stuff for 
them - I don't have any input in terms of sales or OEM deals with 
Soundfield...


In the bad old days I think some clips were made to allow the enormously 
fat body of a ST350/450 to be slung inside the "stereo" (150mm) 
windshield on sturdy o-rings. Very few Soundfields were used in that way 
and I don't think more than a handful of rigs were sold.


With the advent of of "lyre" mounts it has been entirely uneconomical to 
tool up for old-style windshield versions that would sell less than 100 
in their lifetime. But the USM mount, that was designed for chunky, 
side-address studio mics, can support the Soundfields very well. The 
only down side is that the these are meant for use on stands, and have 
no method of fixing a windshield to them. I suspect that is why you 
haven't been getting sensible answers from the distributors, who are 
somewhat foggy about such rare microphones.


If you have an old stereo windshield you might be able to perform a 
little butchery to make a USM fit - it isn't impossible. But Rycote 
wouldn't recommend that sort of one-off work officially.


Rycote will always provide alternative lyres if you are unsure what 
version you need - they are pretty good that way.


Chris Woolf

On 08-Feb-16 13:03, Steven Boardman wrote:

Anyone know what compatible Rycote parts can be used with a Soundfield
ST350 / ST450.
I have quite a few Rycote sets and am reluctant to purchase another full
set from soundfield.
They and their distributors have been less than help full in telling me
what parts are the same.  (they use different part numbers than Rycote).
Rycote also can't tell me,  as they only make them for soundfield, and say
I need to contact them!

Best

Steve
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Re: [Sursound] Soundfield ST350

[Steven Boardman]

Hi Chris

Thanks for the info.  This helps a lot.
I have one of the newer stereo kits that I use a MKH60/40 and MKH30 in mid
side configuration. Can I use this with other parts,  if so which ones?

Best

Steve
On 8 Feb 2016 9:16 pm, "Chris"  wrote:

I can't reply for Rycote officially, because I only design stuff for them -
I don't have any input in terms of sales or OEM deals with Soundfield...

In the bad old days I think some clips were made to allow the enormously
fat body of a ST350/450 to be slung inside the "stereo" (150mm) windshield
on sturdy o-rings. Very few Soundfields were used in that way and I don't
think more than a handful of rigs were sold.

With the advent of of "lyre" mounts it has been entirely uneconomical to
tool up for old-style windshield versions that would sell less than 100 in
their lifetime. But the USM mount, that was designed for chunky,
side-address studio mics, can support the Soundfields very well. The only
down side is that the these are meant for use on stands, and have no method
of fixing a windshield to them. I suspect that is why you haven't been
getting sensible answers from the distributors, who are somewhat foggy
about such rare microphones.

If you have an old stereo windshield you might be able to perform a little
butchery to make a USM fit - it isn't impossible. But Rycote wouldn't
recommend that sort of one-off work officially.

Rycote will always provide alternative lyres if you are unsure what version
you need - they are pretty good that way.

Chris Woolf


On 08-Feb-16 13:03, Steven Boardman wrote:

> Anyone know what compatible Rycote parts can be used with a Soundfield
> ST350 / ST450.
> I have quite a few Rycote sets and am reluctant to purchase another full
> set from soundfield.
> They and their distributors have been less than help full in telling me
> what parts are the same.  (they use different part numbers than Rycote).
> Rycote also can't tell me,  as they only make them for soundfield, and say
> I need to contact them!
>
> Best
>
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[Sursound] Advice on practicalities of 16-speaker half-spherical arrangement

[Martin Dupras]

Hi,

I'm intending to try setting up a 16-speaker Ambisonics array next
week in a small TV studio. I'm trying to figure out the practical
arrangements for setting up the speakers. I was wondering if anyone
with experience might be able to offer some advice or point me in the
right direction?

What I'm planning at the moment is a half-sphere arrangement which
would likely consist of:

- 8 speakers in a circle of radius 2m at a height of approximately 1.6m
- 6 speakers in a smaller circle at an elevation of 45 degrees
- 2 speakers at an elevation of approximately 75 degrees

Alternatively, I would be happy with an arrangement similar to the
first 16-speakers in this diagramme:
http://www.matthiaskronlachner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/loudspeaker-plan-observatory.jpg

I've been trying to find out if there is a convention or "most usual"
arrangement but couldn't find anything. I'm not particularly attached
to the actual arrangement, I just want to find an arrangement that
will work well enough with 16 speakers. Any advice?

The other thing I would welcome is advice on how to mount the speakers
to lighting rigs in a manner that is practical enough to offer some
good compromise between precision and ease of setup. I believe the
speakers we'll be using for the upper tiers will be Genelec 8060s.

Many thanks. Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

- martin
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Re: [Sursound] Soundfield ST350

[John Leonard]

The new set-up for an ST3/450 in a Rycote uses a special fitting: it’s a tube 
with thumbscrews, mounted on a modified Lyre system. As far as I’m aware, you 
have to buy the complete set-up from TSL, at some ludicrously inflated price, 
no doubt. I can look at mine when I get home tonight and see how it fits 
together and send a link to a picture.

Regards,

John




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> On 8 Feb 2016, at 13:03, Steven Boardman  wrote:
> 
> Rycote also can't tell me,  as they only make them for soundfield, and say
> I need to contact them!

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Re: [Sursound] A piece of history

[Peter Lennox]

Thanks John - and - sorry Bob - it will be put to good use, I promise. 
introducing students to the forerunners of the technology they use today adds a 
really useful dimension to their understanding. Though they routinely use 
software encoders and decoders, they will be surprised at just how much could 
be achieved back in the stone age
cheers
ppl
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Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy
Senior Lecturer in Perception
College of Arts
University of Derby

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From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Burton 
[b...@audiorents.com]
Sent: 06 February 2016 19:43
To: Surround Sound discussion group
Subject: Re: [Sursound] A piece of history

I understand. Thanks for the response.

There has been an amazing interest in Ambisonics over here in the VR world.

Our Soundfield mics are getting regular use again after mostly sitting on
the shelf for years.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 10:30 AM, John Leonard  wrote:

> Peter got there first, I’m afraid. Maybe he’ll pass them on when he’s
> finished playing with them.
>
> Eero sent me over a manual for the main part of the system, which is
> fantastically helpful for sorting out what goes where and I’ll have a play
> with the units when they arrive. If they are ex-ROH, they should have been
> well looked after, so I’m hopeful that they’ll all be in working order.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> Please note new email address & direct line phone number
> email: j...@johnleonard.uk
> phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942
>
>
> > On 6 Feb 2016, at 18:19, Bob Burton  wrote:
> >
> > Would like to get them myself.
> >
> > Happy to pay any shipping and handling charges.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Peter Lennox 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'll happily take those off your hands - I love introducing my students
> to
> >> dodgy old gear...
> >> Dr. Peter Lennox
> >> Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy
> >> Senior Lecturer in Perception
> >> College of Arts
> >> University of Derby
> >>
> >> Tel: 01332 593155
> >> 
> >> From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of John
> Leonard [
> >> j...@johnleonard.uk]
> >> Sent: 06 February 2016 13:59
> >> To: Surround Sound discussion group
> >> Subject: Re: [Sursound] A piece of history
> >>
> >> Ah, forgot about no attachments: I got an Audio Design Pan Rotate unit,
> an
> >> Audio Design Ambisonic Decoder and something called an AMBI-8, which
> seems
> >> to link to the Ambisonic decoder.
> >>
> >> I’ll be fascinated to see what they can do, but if anyone has manuals,
> >> that would be excellent.
> >>
> >> The auction was Ebay item Item # 262270964850
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> John
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 13:53, John Leonard  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just bought this lot for ??82 via Ebay. Ex Royal Opera House,
> apparently.
> >>>
> >>> I???ll be using it for some demonstration work later in the year, but
> if
> >> anyone would like it after that I???ll happily sell it on for what I
> paid.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> John
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Re: [Sursound] Advice on practicalities of 16-speaker half-spherical arrangement

[Dave Hunt]

Hi,


The other thing I would welcome is advice on how to mount the speakers
to lighting rigs in a manner that is practical enough to offer some
good compromise between precision and ease of setup. I believe the
speakers we'll be using for the upper tiers will be Genelec 8060s.


There do seem to be suitable mountings, though I can't find any  
mention of the 8060.


http://www.genelec.com/sites/default/files/media/Studio%20monitors/ 
Accessories/genelec_accessories_brochure.pdf


That is , if you can find them to hire, and afford them

Ciao,

Dave Hunt




From: Martin Dupras 
Date: 8 February 2016 15:19:08 GMT
To: Surround Sound discussion group 
Subject: [Sursound] Advice on practicalities of 16-speaker half- 
spherical arrangement



Hi,

I'm intending to try setting up a 16-speaker Ambisonics array next
week in a small TV studio. I'm trying to figure out the practical
arrangements for setting up the speakers. I was wondering if anyone
with experience might be able to offer some advice or point me in the
right direction?

What I'm planning at the moment is a half-sphere arrangement which
would likely consist of:

- 8 speakers in a circle of radius 2m at a height of approximately  
1.6m

- 6 speakers in a smaller circle at an elevation of 45 degrees
- 2 speakers at an elevation of approximately 75 degrees

Alternatively, I would be happy with an arrangement similar to the
first 16-speakers in this diagramme:
http://www.matthiaskronlachner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ 
loudspeaker-plan-observatory.jpg


I've been trying to find out if there is a convention or "most usual"
arrangement but couldn't find anything. I'm not particularly attached
to the actual arrangement, I just want to find an arrangement that
will work well enough with 16 speakers. Any advice?

The other thing I would welcome is advice on how to mount the speakers
to lighting rigs in a manner that is practical enough to offer some
good compromise between precision and ease of setup. I believe the
speakers we'll be using for the upper tiers will be Genelec 8060s.

Many thanks. Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

- martin


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Re: [Sursound] Advice on practicalities of 16-speaker half-spherical arrangement

[Martin Dupras]

That's very useful. Thanks, Dave.

- martin


On 8 February 2016 at 17:40, Dave Hunt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> The other thing I would welcome is advice on how to mount the speakers
>> to lighting rigs in a manner that is practical enough to offer some
>> good compromise between precision and ease of setup. I believe the
>> speakers we'll be using for the upper tiers will be Genelec 8060s.
>
>
> There do seem to be suitable mountings, though I can't find any mention of
> the 8060.
>
> http://www.genelec.com/sites/default/files/media/Studio%20monitors/Accessories/genelec_accessories_brochure.pdf
>
> That is , if you can find them to hire, and afford them
>
> Ciao,
>
> Dave Hunt
>
>
>>
>> From: Martin Dupras 
>> Date: 8 February 2016 15:19:08 GMT
>> To: Surround Sound discussion group 
>> Subject: [Sursound] Advice on practicalities of 16-speaker half-spherical
>> arrangement
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm intending to try setting up a 16-speaker Ambisonics array next
>> week in a small TV studio. I'm trying to figure out the practical
>> arrangements for setting up the speakers. I was wondering if anyone
>> with experience might be able to offer some advice or point me in the
>> right direction?
>>
>> What I'm planning at the moment is a half-sphere arrangement which
>> would likely consist of:
>>
>> - 8 speakers in a circle of radius 2m at a height of approximately 1.6m
>> - 6 speakers in a smaller circle at an elevation of 45 degrees
>> - 2 speakers at an elevation of approximately 75 degrees
>>
>> Alternatively, I would be happy with an arrangement similar to the
>> first 16-speakers in this diagramme:
>>
>> http://www.matthiaskronlachner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/loudspeaker-plan-observatory.jpg
>>
>> I've been trying to find out if there is a convention or "most usual"
>> arrangement but couldn't find anything. I'm not particularly attached
>> to the actual arrangement, I just want to find an arrangement that
>> will work well enough with 16 speakers. Any advice?
>>
>> The other thing I would welcome is advice on how to mount the speakers
>> to lighting rigs in a manner that is practical enough to offer some
>> good compromise between precision and ease of setup. I believe the
>> speakers we'll be using for the upper tiers will be Genelec 8060s.
>>
>> Many thanks. Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> - martin
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Re: [Sursound] Advice on practicalities of 16-speaker half-spherical arrangement

[Thomas Chen]

I have set up 16 speakers in a two layer octagon, 8 locations with an up and 
down at each location.  This is a decode as a cylinder.  It has worked well.  I 
also used Genelecs.  I mounted the speakers in a long narrow box with a bottom 
and top.  In the Studio I used a Clearstory lighting box and floor as the 
supports.

ThomasChen

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Dupras 
To: Surround Sound discussion group 
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2016 9:42 am
Subject: Re: [Sursound] Advice on practicalities of 16-speaker half-spherical 
arrangement

That's very useful. Thanks, Dave.

- martin


On 8 February 2016 at 17:40, Dave Hunt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> The other thing I would welcome is advice on how to mount the speakers
>> to lighting rigs in a manner that is practical enough to offer some
>> good compromise between precision and ease of setup. I believe the
>> speakers we'll be using for the upper tiers will be Genelec 8060s.
>
>
> There do seem to be suitable mountings, though I can't find any mention of
> the 8060.
>
> http://www.genelec.com/sites/default/files/media/Studio%20monitors/Accessories/genelec_accessories_brochure.pdf
>
> That is , if you can find them to hire, and afford them
>
> Ciao,
>
> Dave Hunt
>
>
>>
>> From: Martin Dupras 
>> Date: 8 February 2016 15:19:08 GMT
>> To: Surround Sound discussion group 
>> Subject: [Sursound] Advice on practicalities of 16-speaker half-spherical
>> arrangement
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm intending to try setting up a 16-speaker Ambisonics array next
>> week in a small TV studio. I'm trying to figure out the practical
>> arrangements for setting up the speakers. I was wondering if anyone
>> with experience might be able to offer some advice or point me in the
>> right direction?
>>
>> What I'm planning at the moment is a half-sphere arrangement which
>> would likely consist of:
>>
>> - 8 speakers in a circle of radius 2m at a height of approximately 1.6m
>> - 6 speakers in a smaller circle at an elevation of 45 degrees
>> - 2 speakers at an elevation of approximately 75 degrees
>>
>> Alternatively, I would be happy with an arrangement similar to the
>> first 16-speakers in this diagramme:
>>
>> http://www.matthiaskronlachner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/loudspeaker-plan-observatory.jpg
>>
>> I've been trying to find out if there is a convention or "most usual"
>> arrangement but couldn't find anything. I'm not particularly attached
>> to the actual arrangement, I just want to find an arrangement that
>> will work well enough with 16 speakers. Any advice?
>>
>> The other thing I would welcome is advice on how to mount the speakers
>> to lighting rigs in a manner that is practical enough to offer some
>> good compromise between precision and ease of setup. I believe the
>> speakers we'll be using for the upper tiers will be Genelec 8060s.
>>
>> Many thanks. Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> - martin
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Re: [Sursound] Soundfield ST350 Rycote Windshield Suspension

[John Leonard]

Some quick pictures here:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsktcTKQK

Regards,

John

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> On 8 Feb 2016, at 15:13, John Leonard  wrote:
> 
> The new set-up for an ST3/450 in a Rycote uses a special fitting: it’s a tube 
> with thumbscrews, mounted on a modified Lyre system. As far as I’m aware, you 
> have to buy the complete set-up from TSL, at some ludicrously inflated price, 
> no doubt. I can look at mine when I get home tonight and see how it fits 
> together and send a link to a picture.
> 

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Re: [Sursound] Soundfield ST350 Rycote Windshield Suspension

[John_Blueyonder]

Very Nice John, an elegant, n very good looking use of Chris W's lovely 
Lyre suspensions.

J

On 09/02/2016 00:45, John Leonard wrote:

Some quick pictures here:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsktcTKQK

Regards,

John

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phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942



On 8 Feb 2016, at 15:13, John Leonard  wrote:

The new set-up for an ST3/450 in a Rycote uses a special fitting: it’s a tube 
with thumbscrews, mounted on a modified Lyre system. As far as I’m aware, you 
have to buy the complete set-up from TSL, at some ludicrously inflated price, 
no doubt. I can look at mine when I get home tonight and see how it fits 
together and send a link to a picture.


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Re: [Sursound] Soundfield ST350

[Steven Boardman]

Thanks John.

Yes it is at a ridiculous price,  that's why I wanted to use some of my
other kit,  and buy the minimum I need from them. I don't see why I can't
use one of my stereo blimps/guns and furries with a
modified suspension. Its just knowing what I can use with what.

Get me off list with those pictures please.

Best regards

Steve
On 8 Feb 2016 10:19 pm, "John Leonard"  wrote:

> The new set-up for an ST3/450 in a Rycote uses a special fitting: it’s a
> tube with thumbscrews, mounted on a modified Lyre system. As far as I’m
> aware, you have to buy the complete set-up from TSL, at some ludicrously
> inflated price, no doubt. I can look at mine when I get home tonight and
> see how it fits together and send a link to a picture.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> Please note new email address & direct line phone number
> email: j...@johnleonard.uk
> phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942
>
>
> > On 8 Feb 2016, at 13:03, Steven Boardman 
> wrote:
> >
> > Rycote also can't tell me,  as they only make them for soundfield, and
> say
> > I need to contact them!
>
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