Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always
The Occulus may change things but I can't really imagine sitting and putting my feet up to watch an Occulus movie.DTS also have their new object based system coming out - I hope to be able to play with that shortly. On 5 February 2016 at 23:08, wrote: > It's worth noting :-) that the Puppy Bowl, which airs this weekend, is > being presented in VR. I suppose the opportunity for dramatic audio there > would be limited. :-) :-) > > - Original Message - Subject: Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in > center channel,,, not always > From: "Augustine Leudar" > Date: 2/5/16 4:48 pm > To: s...@mchapman.com, "Surround Sound discussion group" < > sursound@music.vt.edu> > > You set up the wager by knowing the right people, and by being in the > right place at the right time and undermining your competition ;) > Part of the problem is that if the the audio gets too 3d or immersive > then it destroy the illusion of the dated 2d screen. They certainly > dont want people looking away from the screen and over their shoulder > to see a dog barking etc > It certainly sounds like Trond was experiencing the precedence effect > - which implies the post house just upmixed from not even stereo - but > from mono. Groan. > > On 05/02/2016, Michael Chapman wrote: > > Peter Lennox wrote : > >> > >> maybe we should sponsor some kind of competition, to see how much > >> spatiallity can be got into (and out of) Dolby atmos. > > > > Sounds worth pursuing . . . > > > > Michael > > > > > > Don't want to dilute a good idea : but if the above 'flies' how about an > > annual prize for the film with the 'best' sound ... the media luv that > > sort of stuff ... > > > > > > ___ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > here, edit > > account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > > -- > www.augustineleudar.com > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160205/c51f6c2c/attachment.html > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- www.augustineleudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160206/c16a6df0/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always
Having had two theatre shows filmed for cinema release, I haven’t had the greatest experience engaging with the post production chaps: in both cases I’ve had to explain that when the cast members exit upstage, door slams shouldn’t be shoved in the rear speakers. Similarly, with a scene where all the cast are looking through an upstage window at someone riding across a field being chased by dogs, panning the sound effect through the rears and then round to the front speakers may be fun, but it doesn’t chime with with what’s on the screen. As for the up-mix to Dolby Atmos that happened for the second film, I had no control over how the effects were sourced and the result in the cinema was pretty terrible, and totally unnecessary. Rain makes a noise when it hits a surface, not when it’s flying through the air. The DTS system may be better - I have a colleague who’s involved in the development and he’s very enthusiastic about the possibilities. We shall see. John Please note new email address & direct line phone number email: j...@johnleonard.uk phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 > On 5 Feb 2016, at 23:08, Peter Lennox wrote: > > Don't get me started on why massive soundstage = shrunken screen! > and as for why you don't want to look over your shoulder, expecting to see a > dinosaur but actually see an nice ice-cream lady - well duh! ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] A piece of history
Just bought this lot for £82 via Ebay. Ex Royal Opera House, apparently. I’ll be using it for some demonstration work later in the year, but if anyone would like it after that I’ll happily sell it on for what I paid. Regards, John Please note new email address & direct line phone number email: j...@johnleonard.uk phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160206/78fd74d6/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: $_57.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 245166 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160206/78fd74d6/attachment.jpe> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] A piece of history
Ah, forgot about no attachments: I got an Audio Design Pan Rotate unit, an Audio Design Ambisonic Decoder and something called an AMBI-8, which seems to link to the Ambisonic decoder. I’ll be fascinated to see what they can do, but if anyone has manuals, that would be excellent. The auction was Ebay item Item # 262270964850 Regards, John Please note new email address & direct line phone number email: j...@johnleonard.uk phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 > On 6 Feb 2016, at 13:53, John Leonard wrote: > > Just bought this lot for ??82 via Ebay. Ex Royal Opera House, apparently. > > I???ll be using it for some demonstration work later in the year, but if > anyone would like it after that I???ll happily sell it on for what I paid. > > Regards, > > John ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always
Things may gradually change as new blood comes through. I have my students produce 'spatial soundscape foley' where they have to produce an entire environment that is plausible - even to the extent of me being able to walk around in it (I once had to navigate in pitch black, using only the sound environment) - yet synthesised out of found ingredients and synthesised ingredients. Almost every year I get one group who think they can blag it by taking the SF mic off to Weatherspoons (a local hostelry), drink a few pints while the recording is going on - job done, assignment in the bag. Every year they discover it sounds terrible. Then they realise they have to build the pub from the ground up (sonically, I mean) - and of course, that's the point of the exercise. It soon dawns on them that plausibility does not simply come out of accuracy, hence the 'spatial foley'. Students rapidly realise that the production tools are simply not predicated on this kind of task, and so they have to adapt and devise ways of working. So it will be a bigger task than generally recognised, to understand what 'spatial' actually means in artificial sound fields. BTW - one group even had some angry geese in their medieval inn... Dr. Peter Lennox Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy Senior Lecturer in Perception College of Arts University of Derby Tel: 01332 593155 From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of John Leonard [j...@johnleonard.uk] Sent: 06 February 2016 12:04 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always Having had two theatre shows filmed for cinema release, I haven’t had the greatest experience engaging with the post production chaps: in both cases I’ve had to explain that when the cast members exit upstage, door slams shouldn’t be shoved in the rear speakers. Similarly, with a scene where all the cast are looking through an upstage window at someone riding across a field being chased by dogs, panning the sound effect through the rears and then round to the front speakers may be fun, but it doesn’t chime with with what’s on the screen. As for the up-mix to Dolby Atmos that happened for the second film, I had no control over how the effects were sourced and the result in the cinema was pretty terrible, and totally unnecessary. Rain makes a noise when it hits a surface, not when it’s flying through the air. The DTS system may be better - I have a colleague who’s involved in the development and he’s very enthusiastic about the possibilities. We shall see. John Please note new email address & direct line phone number email: j...@johnleonard.uk phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 > On 5 Feb 2016, at 23:08, Peter Lennox wrote: > > Don't get me started on why massive soundstage = shrunken screen! > and as for why you don't want to look over your shoulder, expecting to see a > dinosaur but actually see an nice ice-cream lady - well duh! ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this was sent to you in error, please select unsubscribe. Unsubscribe and Security information contact: info...@derby.ac.uk For all FOI requests please contact: f...@derby.ac.uk All other Contacts are at http://www.derby.ac.uk/its/contacts/ ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] A piece of history
I'll happily take those off your hands - I love introducing my students to dodgy old gear... Dr. Peter Lennox Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy Senior Lecturer in Perception College of Arts University of Derby Tel: 01332 593155 From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of John Leonard [j...@johnleonard.uk] Sent: 06 February 2016 13:59 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] A piece of history Ah, forgot about no attachments: I got an Audio Design Pan Rotate unit, an Audio Design Ambisonic Decoder and something called an AMBI-8, which seems to link to the Ambisonic decoder. I’ll be fascinated to see what they can do, but if anyone has manuals, that would be excellent. The auction was Ebay item Item # 262270964850 Regards, John Please note new email address & direct line phone number email: j...@johnleonard.uk phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 > On 6 Feb 2016, at 13:53, John Leonard wrote: > > Just bought this lot for ??82 via Ebay. Ex Royal Opera House, apparently. > > I???ll be using it for some demonstration work later in the year, but if > anyone would like it after that I???ll happily sell it on for what I paid. > > Regards, > > John ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this was sent to you in error, please select unsubscribe. Unsubscribe and Security information contact: info...@derby.ac.uk For all FOI requests please contact: f...@derby.ac.uk All other Contacts are at http://www.derby.ac.uk/its/contacts/ ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always
ursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and > reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this was sent > to you in error, please select unsubscribe. > > Unsubscribe and Security information contact: info...@derby.ac.uk > For all FOI requests please contact: f...@derby.ac.uk > All other Contacts are at http://www.derby.ac.uk/its/contacts/ > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- www.augustineleudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160206/a518/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:04:01 +, John Leonard wrote: > As for the up-mix to Dolby Atmos that happened for the second film, I > had no control over how the effects were sourced and the result in > the cinema was pretty terrible, and totally unnecessary. Rain makes a > noise when it hits a surface, not when it’s flying through the air. For effects that are closer to the ground, like rain, could there be small directional loudspeakers embedded in "media chairs"? Why are loudspeakers always remotely surrounding the public? Some could be part of the public... Maybe surround sound is simply inappropriable for cinema as we know it, because its a framed media. A large screen is probably not a good enough reason to fill an entire room with loudspeakers; an augmented sound experience for a diminished visual experience feels "wrong". Looking at a screen, in a locked position, was an opportunity to add some surround sounds "effects", but I feel that my cinema experiences are better when sound is coming only from the screen. Stereo with a center channel is probably the best configuration for "framed cinema". -- Marc ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] A piece of history
Would like to get them myself. Happy to pay any shipping and handling charges. On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Peter Lennox wrote: > I'll happily take those off your hands - I love introducing my students to > dodgy old gear... > Dr. Peter Lennox > Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy > Senior Lecturer in Perception > College of Arts > University of Derby > > Tel: 01332 593155 > > From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of John Leonard [ > j...@johnleonard.uk] > Sent: 06 February 2016 13:59 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] A piece of history > > Ah, forgot about no attachments: I got an Audio Design Pan Rotate unit, an > Audio Design Ambisonic Decoder and something called an AMBI-8, which seems > to link to the Ambisonic decoder. > > I’ll be fascinated to see what they can do, but if anyone has manuals, > that would be excellent. > > The auction was Ebay item Item # 262270964850 > > Regards, > > John > > Please note new email address & direct line phone number > email: j...@johnleonard.uk > phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 > > > > On 6 Feb 2016, at 13:53, John Leonard wrote: > > > > Just bought this lot for ??82 via Ebay. Ex Royal Opera House, apparently. > > > > I???ll be using it for some demonstration work later in the year, but if > anyone would like it after that I???ll happily sell it on for what I paid. > > > > Regards, > > > > John > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and > reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this was sent > to you in error, please select unsubscribe. > > Unsubscribe and Security information contact: info...@derby.ac.uk > For all FOI requests please contact: f...@derby.ac.uk > All other Contacts are at http://www.derby.ac.uk/its/contacts/ > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- Bob -- Audio Rents, Inc. 4209 Vanowen Place Burbank, CA 91505 323-874-1000 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160206/e5e1991b/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] A piece of history
Peter got there first, I’m afraid. Maybe he’ll pass them on when he’s finished playing with them. Eero sent me over a manual for the main part of the system, which is fantastically helpful for sorting out what goes where and I’ll have a play with the units when they arrive. If they are ex-ROH, they should have been well looked after, so I’m hopeful that they’ll all be in working order. Regards, John Please note new email address & direct line phone number email: j...@johnleonard.uk phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 > On 6 Feb 2016, at 18:19, Bob Burton wrote: > > Would like to get them myself. > > Happy to pay any shipping and handling charges. > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Peter Lennox wrote: > >> I'll happily take those off your hands - I love introducing my students to >> dodgy old gear... >> Dr. Peter Lennox >> Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy >> Senior Lecturer in Perception >> College of Arts >> University of Derby >> >> Tel: 01332 593155 >> >> From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of John Leonard [ >> j...@johnleonard.uk] >> Sent: 06 February 2016 13:59 >> To: Surround Sound discussion group >> Subject: Re: [Sursound] A piece of history >> >> Ah, forgot about no attachments: I got an Audio Design Pan Rotate unit, an >> Audio Design Ambisonic Decoder and something called an AMBI-8, which seems >> to link to the Ambisonic decoder. >> >> I’ll be fascinated to see what they can do, but if anyone has manuals, >> that would be excellent. >> >> The auction was Ebay item Item # 262270964850 >> >> Regards, >> >> John >> >> Please note new email address & direct line phone number >> email: j...@johnleonard.uk >> phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 >> >> >>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 13:53, John Leonard wrote: >>> >>> Just bought this lot for ??82 via Ebay. Ex Royal Opera House, apparently. >>> >>> I???ll be using it for some demonstration work later in the year, but if >> anyone would like it after that I???ll happily sell it on for what I paid. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John >> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> >> The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and >> reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this was sent >> to you in error, please select unsubscribe. >> >> Unsubscribe and Security information contact: info...@derby.ac.uk >> For all FOI requests please contact: f...@derby.ac.uk >> All other Contacts are at http://www.derby.ac.uk/its/contacts/ >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > > > > -- > Bob > -- > Audio Rents, Inc. > 4209 Vanowen Place > Burbank, CA 91505 > 323-874-1000 > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160206/e5e1991b/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. > > __ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always
One of the few times that I found surround in a film interesting and valid was in the original Tron, where it seemed to be perfectly acceptable and to enhance the on-screen visuals. These days, it’s just mainly annoying and almost always badly balanced, but we know that’s largely down to the lack of maintenance in the one-man operated multiplexes. I did enjoy the sound and music in The Grand Budapest Hotel in a well-set-up cinema, however, and there was a nice moment during the credits when the double balalaika orchestra wrapped into the surround. I think it happens when the little cartoon Cossack appears at the bottom of the screen. Regards, John Please note new email address & direct line phone number email: j...@johnleonard.uk phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 > On 6 Feb 2016, at 16:36, Marc Lavallée wrote: > > A large screen is probably not a good enough > reason to fill an entire room with loudspeakers; ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] A piece of history
I understand. Thanks for the response. There has been an amazing interest in Ambisonics over here in the VR world. Our Soundfield mics are getting regular use again after mostly sitting on the shelf for years. On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 10:30 AM, John Leonard wrote: > Peter got there first, I’m afraid. Maybe he’ll pass them on when he’s > finished playing with them. > > Eero sent me over a manual for the main part of the system, which is > fantastically helpful for sorting out what goes where and I’ll have a play > with the units when they arrive. If they are ex-ROH, they should have been > well looked after, so I’m hopeful that they’ll all be in working order. > > Regards, > > John > > Please note new email address & direct line phone number > email: j...@johnleonard.uk > phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 > > > > On 6 Feb 2016, at 18:19, Bob Burton wrote: > > > > Would like to get them myself. > > > > Happy to pay any shipping and handling charges. > > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Peter Lennox > wrote: > > > >> I'll happily take those off your hands - I love introducing my students > to > >> dodgy old gear... > >> Dr. Peter Lennox > >> Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy > >> Senior Lecturer in Perception > >> College of Arts > >> University of Derby > >> > >> Tel: 01332 593155 > >> > >> From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of John > Leonard [ > >> j...@johnleonard.uk] > >> Sent: 06 February 2016 13:59 > >> To: Surround Sound discussion group > >> Subject: Re: [Sursound] A piece of history > >> > >> Ah, forgot about no attachments: I got an Audio Design Pan Rotate unit, > an > >> Audio Design Ambisonic Decoder and something called an AMBI-8, which > seems > >> to link to the Ambisonic decoder. > >> > >> I’ll be fascinated to see what they can do, but if anyone has manuals, > >> that would be excellent. > >> > >> The auction was Ebay item Item # 262270964850 > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> John > >> > >> Please note new email address & direct line phone number > >> email: j...@johnleonard.uk > >> phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942 > >> > >> > >>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 13:53, John Leonard wrote: > >>> > >>> Just bought this lot for ??82 via Ebay. Ex Royal Opera House, > apparently. > >>> > >>> I???ll be using it for some demonstration work later in the year, but > if > >> anyone would like it after that I???ll happily sell it on for what I > paid. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> John > >> > >> ___ > >> Sursound mailing list > >> Sursound@music.vt.edu > >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. > >> > >> The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and > >> reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this was > sent > >> to you in error, please select unsubscribe. > >> > >> Unsubscribe and Security information contact: info...@derby.ac.uk > >> For all FOI requests please contact: f...@derby.ac.uk > >> All other Contacts are at http://www.derby.ac.uk/its/contacts/ > >> ___ > >> Sursound mailing list > >> Sursound@music.vt.edu > >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Bob > > -- > > Audio Rents, Inc. > > 4209 Vanowen Place > > Burbank, CA 91505 > > 323-874-1000 > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160206/e5e1991b/attachment.html > > > > ___ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > __ > > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- Bob -- Audio Rents, Inc. 4209 Vanowen Place Burbank, CA 91505 323-874-1000 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160206/a029851e/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
