Re: [Sursound] anyone in Gran Sasso region able to record an impulse response?

2013-02-07 Thread Dave Malham
Hi Pete,
 I suppose it depends what it's going to be used for! For
measurement purposes I suspect that it probably would be problematic -
the smaller tetramic might better - but for artistic purposes I
suspect it would be seriously cool :-)

Dave

On 6 February 2013 22:38, Peter Lennox  wrote:
> I;ve a suspicion that a Soundfield mic wouldn't behave well in such a weirdly 
> reactive environment - i seem to remember chatting with Angelo Farina about 
> this some years ago - anyone shed light on that?
> Dr Peter Lennox
>
> School of Technology,
> Faculty of Arts, Design and Technology
> University of Derby, UK
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> From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Giuseppe Silvi [giuse...@altrisuoni.it]
> Sent: 06 February 2013 22:35
> To: sursound@music.vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] anyone in Gran Sasso region able to record an   
> impulse response?
>
> Hi,
> Maybe I can do that. I have a Soundfield ST450 with a laptop+RME. If there is 
> a way I can bring a Genelec to do sweep, otherwise balloons.
>
> I live near Rome, one hour away from gran sasso.
>
> Saluti.
> Giuseppe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 06/feb/2013, at 18:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:45:38 +
>> From: Richard Dobson 
>> Subject: [Sursound] anyone in Gran Sasso region able to record an
>>impulseresponse?
>> To: sursound@music.vt.edu
>> Message-ID: <51125e82.7090...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> there is a new experiment about to start at the Gran Sasso laboratory
>> (Abruzzo region, central Italy), to detect dark matter (featured on BBC
>> News24 today). The business end appears to be a  metal sphere, loosely
>> comparable to a bathroom in size, which will soon be filled with argon.
>> The presenter was able to climb inside to make the report, and the
>> acoustics are, to say the least, "interesting". Small and presumably
>> heavily acoustically reactive.  I have asked my one particle physicist
>> contact at Cern to make inquiries about sampling it, if there is time.
>>
>> Is there anyone in that area able to jump to the challenge at short
>> notice, ideally with a surround mic? It would have to be a hand-held or
>> at least compact portable setup, as the access hatch into the sphere is
>> human sized, but possibly too small to pass large-scale kit. My guess is
>> that a mic, a laptop and a (small) balloon plus needle may have to do.
>>
>> The idea being, needless to say, that ~when~ some significant data is
>> obtained, it can be sonified with an appropriate acoustic context. It
>> would have to be a labour of love, on the assumption that getting a
>> research grant for it at such short notice is rather unlikely!
>>
>> Richard Dobson
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[Sursound] Spheres, Argon, and IRs

2013-02-07 Thread Eric Carmichel
Greetings All,
The idea of recording an IR in an unusual environment* is interesting. When I 
first read the original post, I wondered how closely a simulation would match a 
recorded response.
Although I'm far from an expert on room acoustics, I have used simulation 
software (e.g. Sabine, Odeon, CATT-Acoustics, COMSOL, etc). In addition to the 
absorption coefficient of the metal, the sphere's radius, and the listener's 
position, one might also wish to add the speed of sound in argon. Pressure and 
temperature will affect speed of sound (and resulting wavelengths and 
Eigenmodes) in gas. Is the gaseous environment a mixture of oxygen, nitrogen, 
and argon that permits one to enter without problem? Would a balloon filled 
with air pop in the same manner as free space if the compressed air has no 
place to escape (i.e., you're adding to the net pressure of an enclosed volume, 
not a place where free expansion can take place). As usual, I'm writing 
off-the-cuff and my notions may be wrong, but a simulation of the acoustical 
environment could be interesting when compared to a live recording or IRs made 
with a Soundfield mic.

*There is a new experiment about to start at the Gran Sasso laboratory (Abruzzo 
region, central Italy) to detect dark matter (featured on BBC News24 today). 
The business end appears to be a  metal sphere, loosely comparable to a 
bathroom in size, which will soon be filled with argon. 
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