Re: [Sks-devel] Bitbucket?

2012-05-31 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
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On 2012-05-31 05:08, John Clizbe wrote:
> Yaron Minsky wrote:
>> John?  Seems like you're the main person who I haven't heard a
>> response from.  How do you feel about switching to bitbucket?
> 
> Sorry for the late reply, Long weekend at BF's place. And a slew of
> catch up once I got home.
> 
> Haven't had a lot of time to look at it.  There is a nice
> centrality to Google, but I'm really tired of Google's SSL cert of
> the week when I push.
> 
> How difficult will it be to migrate existing repos: trunk, me,
> Kristian, etc?

The Fork mechanism on bitbucket is rather good. Just create your own
new fork (press the fork button), check it out and do a hg pull
../old-repo , I've already done so at [0] and created a pull request
back into main trunk[1].

[0] https://bitbucket.org/kristianf/sks-keyserver
[1]
https://bitbucket.org/yminsky/sks-keyserver/pull-request/1/cache-control-and-updated-documentation

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Re: [Sks-devel] 0xd5920e937cc1e39b shows signatures with 0xca57ad7c continuing?

2012-05-31 Thread Yaron Minsky
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Ari Trachtenberg  wrote:

> The problem with the second plan is that the potential number of
> differences
> between hosts could grow quite large, degrading performance.
>

The deleted keys would be considered as present from the point of view of
the reconciliation algorithm, so I'm not sure it would truly degrade
performance.  The only issue is, what do you do if the first time you learn
of a key is from someone who deleted it?  That said, I think there is a
reasonable heuristic one could use here: don't add the key for awhile,
seeing if you're going to encounter someone in the reconciliation who
actually has the key.  And if you don't, eventually learn it as an
"unknown" key, and add it to your Ptree.

That said, GC'ing the deletions is an issue, but it's just the keyid you
need to keep, so it's not so bad.


> The easiest solution would be to auto-expire keys after a fixed time
> (a good strategy anyway from a security perspective).
>
> Best,
>-Ari
>
> On May 30, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Yaron Minsky wrote:
>
> > Here's my quick sense of what the reasonable solutions are:
> >
> >   - Add a key-deletion authority, as Gabor suggested.  These deletion
> >   certificates would be gossiped around, and would lead to deletion of
> keys.
> >The deletion certificates would stick around for a long time, but
> they'd
> >   be small, so the cost would be low.  One coud have them auto-expire at
> a
> >   specified time out, so that you eventually can GC them.
> >   - Have SKS have a local key-deletion file.  Keys listed in the key
> >   deletion file would be excluded from the local set, but would probably
> be
> >   kept in the Ptree, so that they don't show up as a difference when
> >   reconciling.  People can work together to distribute key-deletion files
> >   from a trusted source, but it's at the discretion of the manager of any
> >   individual key server.
> >
> > The second one seems more likely to work as a social matter, since
> building
> > an agreed, trusted authority is tricky.
> >
> > (To say the obvious, I don't have the time to work on implementing either
> > approach.  But I'm happy to have others do so.  Something like this was
> > part of my original plans for SKS, but it never got done.)
> >
> > y
> >
> > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Robert J. Hansen  >wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/27/12 5:50 AM, Giovanni Mascellani wrote:
> >>> I'm just a newbie here, but actually I'd like to see the same concept
> >>> applied in a more general way: I think there is much garbage in the
> >>> keyservers, even behind the PGP robo-signer.
> >>
> >> The problem here is this violates one of the principle design features
> >> of the keyserver network:
> >>
> >>   "We never, never, never lose certificates."
> >>
> >> It is preferable for a keyserver to outright go down than it is for even
> >> one certificate to be lost.  If a certificate is lost then a malicious
> >> actor could re-upload another key with the same short ID (a very easy
> >> thing to do), and that could facilitate all different kinds of attacks
> >> on people who don't properly validity-check certificates before using
> them.
> >>
> >> If the keyserver goes down then everyone knows in short order there's a
> >> problem.  If a certificate is lost and silently replaced it might be a
> >> long time before being discovered.  (Discovery is more likely if the
> >> keyserver is synchronizing with others, but there are a lot of
> >> standalone servers.)
> >>
> >> Further, expired certificates are still useful.  I have some emails more
> >> than five years old that are still relevant and useful.  If a
> >> certificate gets removed just because it expires, how am I to check the
> >> signature on those messages in order to ensure they haven't been
> >> tampered with?  If the expired certificate remains on the servers,
> >> though, I can download it, validity-check it, and be confident in the
> >> integrity of my message.
> >>
> >> The same logic applies to revoked certificates: they're still useful for
> >> the same reasons.
> >>
> >> The keyservers never, never, never lose certificates.  That's a design
> >> goal and one that the SKS maintainers believe is a good one.  I agree
> >> with them, and want to see this design goal maintained in all future
> >> development.
> >>
> >> That said, welcome to the community, and please understand that although
> >> I think your idea is awful I'm honestly happy to see you here.  :)  The
> >> mailing list is a place where ideas come into violent collision, but we
> >> try to be reasonable human beings to each other.  Welcome!
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Re: [Sks-devel] Bitbucket?

2012-05-31 Thread Yaron Minsky
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:08 PM, John Clizbe  wrote:

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> Yaron Minsky wrote:
> > John?  Seems like you're the main person who I haven't heard a response
> > from.  How do you feel about switching to bitbucket?
> >
> Sorry for the late reply, Long weekend at BF's place. And a slew of catch
> up
> once I got home.
>
> Haven't had a lot of time to look at it.  There is a nice centrality to
> Google, but I'm really tired of Google's SSL cert of the week when I push.
>
> How difficult will it be to migrate existing repos: trunk, me, Kristian,
> etc?
>
> That's my only question. Other than that, for now I'm site-agnostic.
>

I think it's quite easy.  I migrated my trunk, and it was very
straightforward.  I just got a pull request from Kristian, which I put some
comments on before including, which was also pretty easy.


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Re: [Sks-devel] 0xd5920e937cc1e39b shows signatures with 0xca57ad7c continuing?

2012-05-31 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 05/31/2012 01:41 AM, Gabor Kiss wrote:
> You have trust a long and thin chain of signatures between you
> and your abroad comrade. What if a government agent edged in the chain?

1.  Then you're goatscrewed, because you're trusting the wrong people,
and there is *no* technology that can help you

2.  There is no #2.




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Re: [Sks-devel] 0xd5920e937cc1e39b shows signatures with 0xca57ad7c continuing?

2012-05-31 Thread Kiss Gabor (Bitman)
> > You have trust a long and thin chain of signatures between you
> > and your abroad comrade. What if a government agent edged in the chain?
> 
> 1.  Then you're goatscrewed, because you're trusting the wrong people,
> and there is *no* technology that can help you

What if you have no choice?

A trusts B, the only trustworthy people in the city who is allowed to travel.
B trusts C, who is honest but a bit naive.
C trusts D, who is a secret agent.
D signs fake keys owned by Big Brother.
Big Brother signs a fake E' key then distributes it via the
only key server A can reach.

What can A do if he wants to send encrypted mail to the real E?

Gabor

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[Sks-devel] SKS segfaulting on Fedora 17

2012-05-31 Thread Robert J. Hansen
keyservers.org is a Fedora 15/x64 system running on hardware that's
coming to the end of its expected useful life.  isaiah.keyservers.org is
a Fedora 17/x64 system running on much newer and beefier hardware.  The
old system runs SKS 1.1.1; the new runs SKS 1.1.3.  Both come from the
Fedora repos.

I made a dump of the current KDB from keyservers.org and migrated it
over to isaiah, where it was placed in a subdirectory 'dump' off of my
sks dir (/var/sks).

Once there, from /var/sks I did an sks build run as follows:

sks build -n 10 -cache 100 /var/sks/dump/*.pgp

And bam, instant segfault.  build.log is not useful:

2012-05-31 01:51:59 Opening log
2012-05-31 01:51:59 Opening KeyDB database

That's it.  Running gdb on the sks binary reveals:

[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Using host libthread_db library "/lib64/libthread_db.so.1".
Loading keys...done

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
SHA1_copy_and_swap (numwords=, dst=0x7f7feff0,
src=0x77cbe948) at sha1.c:38
38  d[0] = s[3];
(gdb) l
33unsigned char * s, * d;
34unsigned char a, b;
35for (s = src, d = dst; numwords > 0; s += 4, d += 4, numwords--) {
36  a = s[0];
37  b = s[1];
38  d[0] = s[3];
39  d[1] = s[2];
40  d[2] = b;
41  d[3] = a;
42}


Now for where things get wacky: running the exact same command, but with
-n 20 instead of -n 10, causes a segfault in a different part of the code:

[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Using host libthread_db library "/lib64/libthread_db.so.1".
Loading keys...done

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00509713 in caml_darken ()
(gdb) l
1   /* interp - add information about dynamic loader to shared library
objects.
2  Copyright (C) 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
3  This file is part of the GNU C Library.
4   
5  The GNU C Library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
6  modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public
7  License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either
8  version 2.1 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
9   
10 The GNU C Library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,



... If any of the SKS maintainers want to take a look at this _in situ_,
I'd be happy to provide access to isaiah for debugging purposes.

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Re: [Sks-devel] 0xd5920e937cc1e39b shows signatures with 0xca57ad7c continuing?

2012-05-31 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 05/31/2012 09:30 AM, Kiss Gabor (Bitman) wrote:
> What if you have no choice?

Let me repeat: if you're trusting the wrong people then you're
goatscrewed and there is no technology that can help you.

There is no Option B.

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Re: [Sks-devel] SKS segfaulting on Fedora 17

2012-05-31 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 05/31/2012 09:33 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> Now for where things get wacky: running the exact same command, but with
> -n 20 instead of -n 10, causes a segfault in a different part of the code:

-n 5 crashes in yet a different place, although it manages to actually
get through a couple of the .pgp files first.

The dump files are large (50,000), but the server is fairly beefy: 32Gb
RAM and an i7.  It shouldn't be hitting any hardware limitations: it's
far more capable than the current keyservers.org is, and it handled this
without a hiccup.

I have no idea what the root cause of this segfault is, but it certainly
seems interesting.


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[Sks-devel] keyserver.gingerbear.net offlne

2012-05-31 Thread John Clizbe
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Having a night of heavy thunderstorms, it looks like the cable/HSI supplying
keyserver.gingerbear.net took a cable cut ~4:28 AM CDT. This is verifiable by
turning on any TV in the house. :-(

sks-keyservers.net AT&T U-Verse link is still up and functional. (ATM bridge
wedged for a bit between 6:25 and 8:55)

Until connectivity is restored the servers of keyserver.gingerbear.net will be
unaccessible to the public, but will remain caught up with the SKS network
through local peering with the servers of sks.keyservers.net.

Bit of a PITA we worry about with every storm. Usually we just lose power
until the UPS batteries are drained completely.

- -John

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Re: [Sks-devel] keyserver.gingerbear.net offlne -- Resolved

2012-05-31 Thread John Clizbe
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Appears that all is back to normal... for now.

- -John

John Clizbe wrote:
> Having a night of heavy thunderstorms, it looks like the cable/HSI supplying
> keyserver.gingerbear.net took a cable cut ~4:28 AM CDT. This is verifiable by
> turning on any TV in the house. :-(
> 
> sks-keyservers.net AT&T U-Verse link is still up and functional. (ATM bridge
> wedged for a bit between 6:25 and 8:55)
> 
> Until connectivity is restored the servers of keyserver.gingerbear.net will be
> unaccessible to the public, but will remain caught up with the SKS network
> through local peering with the servers of sks.keyservers.net.
> 
> Bit of a PITA we worry about with every storm. Usually we just lose power
> until the UPS batteries are drained completely.
> 
> -John
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Re: [Sks-devel] Bitbucket?

2012-05-31 Thread John Clizbe
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C.J. Adams-Collier wrote:
> No objection aside from never having heard of the bitbucket revision
> control system.  Any reason you're not considering something git-based?
> 
> Sent from my PDP-11

Other than the name being somewhat offensive in some English speaking countries?

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Re: [Sks-devel] Bitbucket?

2012-05-31 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 5/31/12 11:58 AM, John Clizbe wrote:
> Other than the name being somewhat offensive in some English speaking 
> countries?

I'm going to chime in here on the side of the "git isn't necessary" crowd.

Git is a fine RCS for large distributed projects.  For the Linux kernel
it's almost ideal.  But SKS is not a large distributed project: it's a
fairly small one, is unlikely to grow into a huge one, and I'm not sure
it's worth the additional complexity over other simpler RCSes.

Feel free to emphatically disagree, of course.  :)



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Re: [Sks-devel] [patch] Clocks and VMs

2012-05-31 Thread John Clizbe
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Phil Pennock wrote:
> I do not run with SKS in a VM and have never experienced the clock
> problem, so can't test if the attached patch resolves any problems.  I
> can confirm that I can receive a key from a peer with this code applied.
> So it's not immediately bad.
> 
> Can someone who can reproduce the timing problems try this out please?
> 
The Cygwin Ocaml compiler is acting up so I'm rebuilding from source.
This has always been a VERY EASY problem to reproduce on Win32 on top of
Cygwin. sks db runs fine, it's just recon that blows up.

I'm looking forward to trying out this patch on Windows

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[Sks-devel] The Wiki has been moved to BitBucket

2012-05-31 Thread John Clizbe
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https://bitbucket.org/jpclizbe/sks-keyserver/wiki/Home

Yaron, the link is already set to s/jpclizbe/yminsky/

Wiki syntax is a bit different. See http://wikicreole.org/wiki/Creole1.0

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Re: [Sks-devel] Div.

2012-05-31 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
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On 2012-05-31 02:30, Yaron Minsky wrote:
> Thanks for creating a clearly separated fork.  I look forward to
> seeing the source!
> 

I believe this is available as a Google Code fork/clone at
http://code.google.com/r/libfree-gnuks-keyserver/source/browse

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Re: [Sks-devel] [patch] Clocks and VMs

2012-05-31 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
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On 2012-05-31 18:51, John Clizbe wrote:
> Phil Pennock wrote:
>> I do not run with SKS in a VM and have never experienced the
>> clock problem, so can't test if the attached patch resolves any
>> problems.  I can confirm that I can receive a key from a peer
>> with this code applied. So it's not immediately bad.
> 
>> Can someone who can reproduce the timing problems try this out
>> please?
> 
> The Cygwin Ocaml compiler is acting up so I'm rebuilding from
> source. This has always been a VERY EASY problem to reproduce on
> Win32 on top of Cygwin. sks db runs fine, it's just recon that
> blows up.
> 

I'll hold off on experimenting with the clocksource in a VM then until
you can test it on Cygwin.

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Re: [Sks-devel] keyserver.gingerbear.net offlne

2012-05-31 Thread John Clizbe
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Looks as if last night's storms caused a later failure on the CPE that started
~22:24 CDT. Reboots and resets of the cable modem have done no good.
It's not completely dead, the VoIP phone line is working *WHOOPEE*

keyserver.gingerbear.net will be offline until I can get to the local cable
office, swap out CPE, and get new cable modem installed and configured.

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John Clizbe wrote:
> Having a night of heavy thunderstorms, it looks like the cable/HSI supplying
> keyserver.gingerbear.net took a cable cut ~4:28 AM CDT. This is verifiable by
> turning on any TV in the house. :-(
> 
> sks-keyservers.net AT&T U-Verse link is still up and functional. (ATM bridge
> wedged for a bit between 6:25 and 8:55)
> 
> Until connectivity is restored the servers of keyserver.gingerbear.net will be
> unaccessible to the public, but will remain caught up with the SKS network
> through local peering with the servers of sks.keyservers.net.
> 
> Bit of a PITA we worry about with every storm. Usually we just lose power
> until the UPS batteries are drained completely.
> 

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