[sage-devel] Re: proposed amendment to code of conduct

2014-11-29 Thread Volker Braun
On Friday, November 28, 2014 4:58:35 PM UTC, Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
> > Let me try a last time, just replace code with book: 
> If you want to understand how I feel about that name, add 
> to that doc a subtitle "Mein Kampf" :-) 
>

How about "Godwin's Law":  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: proposed amendment to code of conduct

2014-11-29 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:09:44AM +0100, Thierry wrote:
> OK, sorry if i misunderstood, you seemed to support a vote about that
> (even proposing a third alternative name) since your message was:

A *poll*, not a *vote*. A poll sounds useful to get a sense of where
the community stands to know better in which direction to work toward
a consensus.

> Some people were opposed to the existence of such a text (i was not
> in the absolute, see the beginning of my first e-mail), and this
> should be acknowledged, even if those people did not insist (there
> are still interesting bits in there).

Sure, one should reach toward those people, see how strong their
feelings are (is it more than "don't see the point" or "oh well, as
long as it's not strict laws"?), etc.

> Well, i precisely would like no one to take the lead (nor a small
> subgroup as just happened). For me the correct way is the way we
> will decide together. Of course i will participate to such
> discussion, but i do not plan to impose anything, this would be
> inconsistent.

Leading is not about taking the decisions, but about organizing the
decision process, by the community, for the community. Having people
move forward by creating wiki pages, calling for feedback, etc is
useful, if not necessary.

> > [1] Yes, I am kindly teasing you a bit here :-)
> > Tes grands airs de ces derniers temps m'ont un peu agacé ...
> 
> Si tu veux faire une remarque (pas particulierement "kindly") en francais
> sur une mailing-liste comme si c'etait un message prive, tu connais mon
> adresse mail (non, je ne me refererai pas au code de conduite). Ceci-dit,
> ca tombe bien, c'etait le but. Pour info, devoir tirer l'alarme comme je
> l'ai fait n'est pas agreable et n'amene que des ennemis (la preuve?), il
> m'aurait ete plus facile de rester au chaud quand les tuiles volent bas.

Back to English. My comment was not meant to be private. I put it in
French for the simple reason that I did not find the right wording in
English. I am grateful, really, that you went ahead and pointed
potential risks and suggested better ways to proceed. Indeed you took
a risk in doing so. Others did too.

That being said, I did find the tone not particularly "kindly" and was
hurt by it. I allowed myself, in a single line and half jokingly, to
use a similar tone. I let you judge on the effect.

End of the parenthesis; what had to be said has been said, we can move
on (or if you believe it's useful to discuss this a bit further, we
should indeed do that privately).

Amitiés,
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: proposed amendment to code of conduct

2014-11-29 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:18:26PM +, Simon King wrote:
> If I understand correctly what William and Volker are saying, they claim
> it is too late for a change anyway,

Please reread. William has explicitly, and in several emails, stated
the converse.

Cheers,
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[sage-devel] The "code of conduct" is getting out of hand - please stop for 2 weeks.

2014-11-29 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Discussions on this are not going in a positive direction. The tone of
the discussions is far worst than anything I have seen on here in a
long time.

I think it would be best if everyone stopped discussing it for a
couple of weeks, and revisited it later (I propose Monday the 15th
December).

Maybe if people stop for a while, it will cool the discussions, and
perhaps they can more forward in a positive direction. Since at the
minute, the whole thing is getting quite nasty.

Dave

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Re: [sage-devel] The "code of conduct" is getting out of hand - please stop for 2 weeks.

2014-11-29 Thread John Cremona
On 29 November 2014 at 11:58, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
 wrote:
> Discussions on this are not going in a positive direction. The tone of
> the discussions is far worst than anything I have seen on here in a
> long time.

I entirely agree.  This has been worse than anything which has been on
Sage-devel since I joined it in 2007.  I have just downgraded to daily
email summaries.  Anyone new considering to contribute to Sage who
read the content of sage-devel over the last 2 weeks would surely run
a mile.

John

>
> I think it would be best if everyone stopped discussing it for a
> couple of weeks, and revisited it later (I propose Monday the 15th
> December).
>
> Maybe if people stop for a while, it will cool the discussions, and
> perhaps they can more forward in a positive direction. Since at the
> minute, the whole thing is getting quite nasty.
>
> Dave
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[sage-devel] Re: The "code of conduct" is getting out of hand - please stop for 2 weeks.

2014-11-29 Thread Simon King
Hi David, hi John,

On 2014-11-29, John Cremona  wrote:
> On 29 November 2014 at 11:58, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
> wrote:
>> Discussions on this are not going in a positive direction. The tone of
>> the discussions is far worst than anything I have seen on here in a
>> long time.
>
> I entirely agree.  This has been worse than anything which has been on
> Sage-devel since I joined it in 2007.

I agree too (even though I guess I was one of the people keeping the
discussion running). I planned to not reply to any post till Monday
(making an exception now), thinking the whole thing was the worst happening
to Sage since William suggested to rewrite Sage in lisp (which fortunately
happened on April 1st).

See you not before Monday,
Simon

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Re: [sage-devel] The "code of conduct" is getting out of hand - please stop for 2 weeks.

2014-11-29 Thread Thierry
Hi,

+1 

Thanks for this proposition, i definitely agree with that (though i was
part of the mess), and i will not post on this subject on sage-devel for
the next two weeks. Mailing-list (which require quick response) seems not
the appropriate format to discuss such issues.

Ciao,
Thierry


On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:58:29AM +, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave 
Ltd) wrote:
> Discussions on this are not going in a positive direction. The tone of
> the discussions is far worst than anything I have seen on here in a
> long time.
> 
> I think it would be best if everyone stopped discussing it for a
> couple of weeks, and revisited it later (I propose Monday the 15th
> December).
> 
> Maybe if people stop for a while, it will cool the discussions, and
> perhaps they can more forward in a positive direction. Since at the
> minute, the whole thing is getting quite nasty.
> 
> Dave
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: proposed amendment to code of conduct

2014-11-29 Thread Thierry
Hi,

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:40:16PM +0100, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:09:44AM +0100, Thierry wrote:
> > OK, sorry if i misunderstood, you seemed to support a vote about that
> > (even proposing a third alternative name) since your message was:
> 
> A *poll*, not a *vote*. A poll sounds useful to get a sense of where
> the community stands to know better in which direction to work toward
> a consensus.

OK, my bad, my reference in reading english is
http://www.wordreference.com/enfr/poll which seems to give a polysemous
definition (vote, survey of opinions (indeed!), election).
 
> Leading is not about taking the decisions, but about organizing the
> decision process, by the community, for the community. Having people
> move forward by creating wiki pages, calling for feedback, etc is
> useful, if not necessary.

If a single person (or a small group) organizes the decision process for
the community, then it is not by the community. I think this
organizational task is also a collective task (this prevents situations
like the one that is happening), hence i would not call that leading (if i
still trust the on-line dictionary). Everybody should feel the right
(perhaps even the duty) of doing such collective organization tasks, for
example i opposed the way the text was written to the fact of opening an
empty page on the wiki, but then Vincent opened it as anybody could have
done, and i hope anybody can contribute, not only in giving feedback or
fill existing wiki pages, but also in calling for feedback and creating
wiki pages (or any kind of organization task). I guess we agree on that
point, but i wanted to make it clear, i do not see any particularity of
organization compared to other tasks, this is not a reserved area.

Ciao,
Thierry


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[sage-devel] Re: The "code of conduct" is getting out of hand - please stop for 2 weeks.

2014-11-29 Thread Jason Grout

On 11/29/14, 6:58, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote:

Discussions on this are not going in a positive direction. The tone of
the discussions is far worst than anything I have seen on here in a
long time.

I think it would be best if everyone stopped discussing it for a
couple of weeks, and revisited it later (I propose Monday the 15th
December).

Maybe if people stop for a while, it will cool the discussions, and
perhaps they can more forward in a positive direction. Since at the
minute, the whole thing is getting quite nasty.


+1.  While I've been reading the whole discussion, I've stayed out of it 
because of the direction, emotion, and tone of it.  I think this is the 
first suggestion I wholeheartedly vote +1 on.


Thanks,

Jason


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[sage-devel] Re: The "code of conduct" is getting out of hand - please stop for 2 weeks.

2014-11-29 Thread maldun
+1

As already said in an other thread: I don't understand this high waves of 
emotion, and I don't think it is healthy
for the community

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: The "code of conduct" is getting out of hand - please stop for 2 weeks.

2014-11-29 Thread Tom Boothby
The irony of this is staggering, if not surprising.  +1

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[sage-devel] Re: The "code of conduct" is getting out of hand - please stop for 2 weeks.

2014-11-29 Thread Robert Dodier
On 2014-11-29, Tom Boothby  wrote:

> The irony of this is staggering, if not surprising.  +1

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here -- this is the War Room."

quotably,

Robert Dodier

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-6.4 fallout: the normaliz package is now broken

2014-11-29 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
> On 2014-11-15, William Stein  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I guess the upgrade to patch broke more optional packages:
>>
>> sage -i normaliz
>> ...
>>
>> gcc version 4.8.2 (Ubuntu 4.8.2-19ubuntu1)
>> 
>> patching file source/Makefile.configuration
>> (Stripping trailing CRs from patch; use --binary to disable.)
>> patching file Singular/normaliz.lib
>> Hunk #1 FAILED at 1371 (different line endings).
>> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Singular/normaliz.lib.rej
>> Error: Couldn't apply patch.
>>
>> real0m0.010s
>> user0m0.005s
>> sys 0m0.005s
>> 
>> Error installing package normaliz-2.8.p0
>
> OK, I'll try updating normaliz to the current version (2.12.1).

Ping -- still broken after 11 days...

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Re: [sage-devel] Compilation Error sage 6.4.1 : installing package ecl-13.5.1.p0

2014-11-29 Thread Patxi Laborde Zubieta
Hi,

i did the compilation in a folder with only ascii caracters and it worked.

Thank you for your help.

Patxi

Le mercredi 26 novembre 2014 21:17:27 UTC+1, François a écrit :
>
> Hi, 
>
> A bit of a shot in the dark but could you try it from a folder with 
> only ascii characters? "Telechargements" instead of "Téléchargement". 
> It is possible that the ecl bootstrap doesn't like those characters 
> very much. 
>
> Francois 
>
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:58:31 Patxi Laborde Zubieta wrote: 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > i tried to instal Sage on my computer by compiling the source, but it 
> > didn't work. 
> > To do that, i followed the instructions given in the webpage : 
> > http://www.sagemath.org/download-source.html 
> > 
> > Tell me if you need more information about my computer : 
> > > cat /proc/version 
> > > Linux version 3.16.0-25-generic (buildd@komainu) (gcc version 4.9.1 
> > > (Ubuntu 4.9.1-16ubuntu6) ) #33-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 4 12:06:54 UTC 2014 
> > > uname -a 
> > > Linux patxi-HP-EliteBook-820-G1 3.16.0-25-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Tue 
> Nov 4 
> > > 12:06:54 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux 
> > > OS : Ubuntu 14.10 
> > 
> > The log file is attached to the discussion (i don't know if it's the 
> right 
> > word). 
> > The end of the log file : 
> > 
> > if [ -f CROSS-COMPILER ]; then \ 
> > 
> > > ./CROSS-COMPILER compile; \ 
> > > 
> > > else \ 
> > > 
> > > ECLDIR=`pwd`/ ./ecl_min compile; \ 
> > > 
> > > fi 
> > > 
> > > ;*** Lisp core booted  
> > > 
> > > ECL (Embeddable Common Lisp) 
> > > 
> > >> ;;; 
> > > 
> > > ;;; Welcome to bare.lsp. Let's bring this instance up! 
> > > 
> > > ;;; 
> > > 
> > > ;;; 
> > > 
> > > ;;; About to load lsp/load.lsp 
> > > 
> > > ;;; 
> > > 
> > > ;;; Loading src:lsp;export.lsp 
> > > 
> > > ;;; Unhandled lisp initialization error 
> > > 
> > > ;;; Message: 
> > > 
> > > FILE-ERROR 
> > > 
> > > ;;; Arguments: 
> > >> Internal or unrecoverable error in: 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Lisp initialization error. 
> > >> 
> > >>   [2: No such file or directory] 
> > >> 
> > >> ;;; ECL C Backtrace 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x442726] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x42daaf] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x42dc04] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x40f880] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x42ea1b] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x42eb02] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x42eb2e] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x420f17] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x421773] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x440b4b] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x441043] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x4402e5] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x42dbeb] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x40f880] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x42ea1b] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x42ea68] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x4628b6] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x411df3] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x415ed5] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x41867d] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x461d67] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x40f880] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x46238f] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x411df3] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x415ed5] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x41867d] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x461d67] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x40f880] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x46238f] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x411df3] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x415ed5] 
> > > 
> > > ;;; ./ecl_min() [0x41867d] 
> > > 
> > > /bin/bash: line 4:  1086 Aborted (core dumped) 
> > > 
> > >> ECLDIR=`pwd`/ ./ecl_min compile 
> > > 
> > > Makefile:72: recipe for target 'bin/ecl' failed 
> > > 
> > > make[4]: *** [bin/ecl] Error 134 
> > > 
> > > make[4]: Leaving directory 
> > > 
> > >> 
> '/home/patxi/Téléchargements/sage-6.4.1/local/var/tmp/sage/build/ecl-13.5 
> > >> .1.p0/src/build'> 
> > > Makefile:70: recipe for target 'all' failed 
> > > 
> > > make[3]: *** [all] Error 2 
> > > 
> > > make[3]: Leaving directory 
> > > 
> > >> 
> '/home/patxi/Téléchargements/sage-6.4.1/local/var/tmp/sage/build/ecl-13.5 
> > >> .1.p0/src'> 
> > > Error - Failed to build ECL ... exiting 
>
>

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Re: [sage-devel] Compilation Error sage 6.4.1 : installing package ecl-13.5.1.p0

2014-11-29 Thread Patxi Laborde Zubieta
Hi,

i did as you said and it worked.
Thank you for your help.

Patxi. 

>  

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[sage-devel] Re: proposed amendment to code of conduct

2014-11-29 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2014-11-29, Volker Braun  wrote:
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> On Friday, November 28, 2014 4:58:35 PM UTC, Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>>
>> > Let me try a last time, just replace code with book: 
>> If you want to understand how I feel about that name, add 
>> to that doc a subtitle "Mein Kampf" :-) 
>>
>
> How about "Godwin's Law":  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Well, sorry, you were first talking about "cultural baggage", not me, 
when I was saying that I personally am quite upset about that doc, and
you seemed to be unable to understand why this can be the case, from
merely "cultural baggage" alone.
The fact is that "cultural baggage" can be as tabu as the one
Godwin was making fun about.



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[sage-devel] BUG IN COMPILE

2014-11-29 Thread Joni-Pekka Kurronen

hi,

6.3 complies ok but 6.4 dose not!

cd /home/sageserver/sage-6.4/local/var/tmp/sage/build/pynac-0.3.2
and
autoreconf -i --force

checking for python... /home/sageserver/sage-6.4/local/bin/python
checking for a version of Python >= '2.1.0'... sys:1: RuntimeWarning: not 
adding directory '' to sys.path since it's writable by an untrusted group.
Untrusted users could put files in this directory which might then be 
imported by your Python code. As a general precaution from similar 
exploits, you should not execute Python code from this directory
yes
checking for the distutils Python package... no
configure: error: cannot import Python module "distutils".
Please check your Python installation. The error was:
sys:1: RuntimeWarning: not adding directory '' to sys.path since it's 
writable by an untrusted group.
Untrusted users could put files in this directory which might then be 
imported by your Python code. As a general precaution from similar 
exploits, you should not execute Python code from this directory
(sage-sh) root@mpi1:src$ 

===


Error installing package pynac-0.3.2

Please email sage-devel (http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel)
explaining the problem and including the relevant part of the log file
  /home/sageserver/sage-6.4/logs/pkgs/pynac-0.3.2.log
Describe your computer, operating system, etc.
If you want to try to fix the problem yourself, *don't* just cd to
/home/sageserver/sage-6.4/local/var/tmp/sage/build/pynac-0.3.2 and type 
'make' or whatever is appropriate.
Instead, the following commands setup all environment variables
correctly and load a subshell for you to debug the error:
  (cd '/home/sageserver/sage-6.4/local/var/tmp/sage/build/pynac-0.3.2' && 
'/home/sageserver/sage-6.4/sage' --sh)
When you are done debugging, you can type "exit" to leave the subshell.

make[2]: *** 
[/home/sageserver/sage-6.4/local/var/lib/sage/installed/pynac-0.3.2] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sageserver/sage-6.4/build'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sageserver/sage-6.4/build'

real0m1.792s
user0m0.672s
sys0m0.873s
***
Error building Sage.

The following package(s) may have failed to build:

package: pynac-0.3.2
log file: /home/sageserver/sage-6.4/logs/pkgs/pynac-0.3.2.log
build directory: 
/home/sageserver/sage-6.4/local/var/tmp/sage/build/pynac-0.3.2

The build directory may contain configuration files and other potentially
helpful information. WARNING: if you now run 'make' again, the build
directory will, by default, be deleted. Set the environment variable
SAGE_KEEP_BUILT_SPKGS to 'yes' to prevent this.

make: *** [build] Error 1

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Re: [sage-devel] BUG IN COMPILE

2014-11-29 Thread Erik Massop
2014-11-29 20:30 GMT+00:00 Joni-Pekka Kurronen :
...
> (sage-sh) root@mpi1:src$
...

Are you compiling as root? Try compiling as a non-root user; Python
refuses some things when run as root as a security precaution.


Regards,

Erik Massop

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