User Space Install of Riak on Suse EL 11 SP2?
Need to get Riak up and running on SLES11-SP2, without access to sudo or root. Any ideas? - Peace Dave ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: User Space Install of Riak on Suse EL 11 SP2?
That would be great if installing erlang didn't require sudo... Dave On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jon Meredith wrote: > You should be able to to build from source and run it as your user. It > doesn't require any ports below 1024. > > http://docs.basho.com/riak/latest/ops/building/installing/from-source/ > > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dave King wrote: > >> Need to get Riak up and running on SLES11-SP2, without access to sudo or >> root. Any ideas? >> >> - Peace >> Dave >> >> >> ___ >> riak-users mailing list >> riak-users@lists.basho.com >> http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com >> >> > > > -- > Jon Meredith > VP, Engineering > Basho Technologies, Inc. > jmered...@basho.com > ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: User Space Install of Riak on Suse EL 11 SP2?
Sorry guys I should have been more clear. I can build Erlang without out root with kerl, but I can't install the dependancies. So it builds but doesn't have Open SSL. Not sure what else is missing. So I'm basically looking for the install from source instructions, but without sudo for any of the steps. If it was java I'd be looking for an all-jar that has the dependancies in place. Docker has this approach, but isn't on SLES11-SP2. I know it's a crazy request, but corporate shops are crazy places. - Peace Dave On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Pedram Nimreezi wrote: > Installing erlang doesn't require sudo either... just --prefix=~/erlang > ie. git clone git://github.com/erlang/otp > git checkout OTP_R15B0? > ./otp_build autoconf > ./configure --prefix=~/erlang --libdir=~/erlang/lib64 --enable-m64-build > --enable-hipe --enable-smp-support --enable-threads --enable-kernel-poll && > make && make install > > PATH=$PATH:~/erlang/lib64/erlang/bin > > tada you're a riak kungfu master.. > erlang also doesn't require any ports < 1024 > > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Dave King wrote: > >> That would be great if installing erlang didn't require sudo... >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jon Meredith wrote: >> >>> You should be able to to build from source and run it as your user. It >>> doesn't require any ports below 1024. >>> >>> http://docs.basho.com/riak/latest/ops/building/installing/from-source/ >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dave King wrote: >>> >>>> Need to get Riak up and running on SLES11-SP2, without access to sudo >>>> or root. Any ideas? >>>> >>>> - Peace >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> riak-users mailing list >>>> riak-users@lists.basho.com >>>> http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jon Meredith >>> VP, Engineering >>> Basho Technologies, Inc. >>> jmered...@basho.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> riak-users mailing list >> riak-users@lists.basho.com >> http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com >> >> > > > -- > /* Sincerely > -- > Pedram Nimreezi - Chief Technology Officer */ > > // The hardest part of design … is keeping features out. - Donald Norman > > > ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: User Space Install of Riak on Suse EL 11 SP2?
OK see if I can figure that out on Tuesday. It's Thanksgiving eh! - Peace Dave On Oct 11, 2013 7:15 PM, "Pedram Nimreezi" wrote: > You should be able to install openssl to your home directory as well, then > use the erlang configure flag to disable dynamic lookup of the ssl lib and > specify its location > On Oct 11, 2013 5:24 PM, "Dave King" wrote: > >> Sorry guys I should have been more clear. I can build Erlang without out >> root with kerl, but I can't install the dependancies. So it builds but >> doesn't have Open SSL. Not sure what else is missing. >> >> So I'm basically looking for the install from source instructions, but >> without sudo for any of the steps. >> >> If it was java I'd be looking for an all-jar that has the dependancies in >> place. Docker has this approach, but isn't on SLES11-SP2. >> >> I know it's a crazy request, but corporate shops are crazy places. >> >> - Peace >> Dave >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Pedram Nimreezi >> wrote: >> >>> Installing erlang doesn't require sudo either... just --prefix=~/erlang >>> ie. git clone git://github.com/erlang/otp >>> git checkout OTP_R15B0? >>> ./otp_build autoconf >>> ./configure --prefix=~/erlang --libdir=~/erlang/lib64 --enable-m64-build >>> --enable-hipe --enable-smp-support --enable-threads --enable-kernel-poll && >>> make && make install >>> >>> PATH=$PATH:~/erlang/lib64/erlang/bin >>> >>> tada you're a riak kungfu master.. >>> erlang also doesn't require any ports < 1024 >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Dave King wrote: >>> >>>> That would be great if installing erlang didn't require sudo... >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jon Meredith wrote: >>>> >>>>> You should be able to to build from source and run it as your user. >>>>> It doesn't require any ports below 1024. >>>>> >>>>> http://docs.basho.com/riak/latest/ops/building/installing/from-source/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dave King wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Need to get Riak up and running on SLES11-SP2, without access to sudo >>>>>> or root. Any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> - Peace >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> riak-users mailing list >>>>>> riak-users@lists.basho.com >>>>>> http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jon Meredith >>>>> VP, Engineering >>>>> Basho Technologies, Inc. >>>>> jmered...@basho.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> riak-users mailing list >>>> riak-users@lists.basho.com >>>> http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> /* Sincerely >>> -- >>> Pedram Nimreezi - Chief Technology Officer */ >>> >>> // The hardest part of design … is keeping features out. - Donald Norman >>> >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> riak-users mailing list >> riak-users@lists.basho.com >> http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com >> >> ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: Proxy Setting with Kerl?
May have been a network issue, it's started working. - Peace Dave On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Dave King wrote: > I'm trying to install erlang on a machine with Proxy values. curl picks > up these values. Kerl on the other hand just seems to sit and wait. Is > there a way to pass proxy settings to Kerl? > > Is there a good page on Kerl? Google doesn't seem to recognize it. > > Dave > > ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Proxy Setting with Kerl?
I'm trying to install erlang on a machine with Proxy values. curl picks up these values. Kerl on the other hand just seems to sit and wait. Is there a way to pass proxy settings to Kerl? Is there a good page on Kerl? Google doesn't seem to recognize it. Dave ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
C++ Not Found
Trying to Build Riak on SUSE LE 11 SP2 make rel fails with * * ==> ebloom (compile) Compiled src/ebloom.erl Compiling /home/cstatmgrd/riak/riak-1.4.2/deps/ebloom/c_src/ebloom_nifs.cpp sh: line 0: exec: c++: not found ERROR: compile failed while processing /home/cstatmgrd/riak/riak-1.4.2/deps/ebloom: rebar_abort make: *** [compile] Error 1 gcc -v says Using built-in specs. Target: x86_64-suse-linux Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,fortran,obj-c++,java,ada --enable-checking=release --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.3 --enable-ssp --disable-libssp --with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/--with-pkgversion='SUSE Linux' --disable-libgcj --disable-libmudflap --with-slibdir=/lib64 --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-libstdcxx-allocator=new --disable-libstdcxx-pch --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs --program-suffix=-4.3 --enable-linux-futex --without-system-libunwind --with-cpu=generic --build=x86_64-suse-linux Thread model: posix gcc version 4.3.4 [gcc-4_3-branch revision 152973] (SUSE Linux) The important part would seem to be --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,fortran,obj-c++,java,ada has c++ in the list. I'm in no way a gcc expert, so where do I go from here? - Peace Dave ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: C++ Not Found
Sadly we didn't do the install (not allowed to have root) so it looks like g++ wasn't installed. To be fair only gcc is listed as a clear dependancy on the build from source page. So we're learning as we go. Dave On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Jon Meredith wrote: > Have you installed the gcc-c++ package? > > > https://www.suse.com/LinuxPackages/packageRouter.jsp?product=server&version=11&service_pack=sp1&architecture=i386&package_name=gcc-c%2B%2B > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Dave King wrote: > >> Trying to Build Riak on SUSE LE 11 SP2 >> make rel fails with >> * >> * >> ==> ebloom (compile) >> Compiled src/ebloom.erl >> Compiling >> /home/cstatmgrd/riak/riak-1.4.2/deps/ebloom/c_src/ebloom_nifs.cpp >> sh: line 0: exec: c++: not found >> ERROR: compile failed while processing >> /home/cstatmgrd/riak/riak-1.4.2/deps/ebloom: rebar_abort >> make: *** [compile] Error 1 >> >> gcc -v says >> >> Using built-in specs. >> Target: x86_64-suse-linux >> Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --infodir=/usr/share/info >> --mandir=/usr/share/man --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 >> --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,fortran,obj-c++,java,ada >> --enable-checking=release --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.3 >> --enable-ssp --disable-libssp >> --with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/--with-pkgversion='SUSE Linux' >> --disable-libgcj --disable-libmudflap >> --with-slibdir=/lib64 --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit >> --enable-libstdcxx-allocator=new --disable-libstdcxx-pch >> --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs --program-suffix=-4.3 >> --enable-linux-futex --without-system-libunwind --with-cpu=generic >> --build=x86_64-suse-linux >> Thread model: posix >> gcc version 4.3.4 [gcc-4_3-branch revision 152973] (SUSE Linux) >> >> >> The important part would seem to be >> --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,fortran,obj-c++,java,ada >> >> has c++ in the list. >> >> I'm in no way a gcc expert, so where do I go from here? >> >> - Peace >> Dave >> >> >> >> ___ >> riak-users mailing list >> riak-users@lists.basho.com >> http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com >> >> > > > -- > Jon Meredith > VP, Engineering > Basho Technologies, Inc. > jmered...@basho.com > ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Counting .SST tables in Level DB
>From the Riak LevelDB Page http://docs.basho.com/riak/latest/ops/advanced/backends/leveldb/ "Where server resources allow, the value of max_open_files should exceed the count of .sst table files within the vnode's database directory." Is the vnode's database directory the numbered directory under the leveldb directory? So the process is to count the number of .sst files distributed acrooss the sst_# directories.Is that correct? If It's not correct what are the rules for counting .sst files? I'm guessing this is something you'd have to tune after deployment as the number of .sst files would grow with data growth. Any guide lines for calculating the max_open_files before deployment? - Peace Dave ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Return full Riak Object from Map Reduce
The combination of bucket, key, value and metadata are referred to as a “Riak Object” - so says the documentation http://docs.basho.com/riak/latest/dev/references/http/ The little Riak Book shows a JS Map Reduce Function of function(raikOjbect,keyData,arg) so if I return riakObject from this function I'd expect to get the meta (links in particular) with the data for the object. I don't seem to be getting the full Riak Object, just the value(Json Document). Am I missing something or doing something wrong? Is there anyway to feed the results of a JS map reduce to a Converter in the Java API? - Peace Dave ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: riak performance
I feel the need to point out that with just a key or two you're
probably only talking to 3/5 of the machines. for a single key adding
extra nodes won't make it faster. (As I understand it)
- Peace
Dave
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Russell Brown wrote:
>
> On 20 Dec 2013, at 10:18, Georgio Pandarez wrote:
>
>> Hi Russell,
>>
>> Thanks for the prompt response.
>>
>> > Also realised I never asked, what version of Riak are you running
>>
>> 1.4.2
>>
>> > It doesn’t look like Riak is doing a whole lot at this point
>>
>> So is it normal for the cpu to spin?
>
> Again, I’ll check with colleagues later, I don’t see that behaviour locally,
> I have a suspicion this is the stats gathering process running in the
> background. Though you can’t turn it off, you can give it a really long
> interval and see if that helps, You can do this by adding
>
> {stat_cache_ttl, $SomeTimeInSeconds}
>
> to the riak_core section in your app.config
>
>>
>> > . I’ll speak with my colleagues when they get online for some more
>> > guidance, as I’m not sure what numbers you should expect for a single key.
>> > Are you going to try with 100s, 1000s, millions of keys (which is far more
>> > common usage)? What is the use case that requires you get the same key
>> > thousands of times a second?
>>
>> Yes, I will be trying with many keys, I just wanted to see if riak is
>> suitable for this application.
>>
>> What kind of rps should I be expecting on a typical 5 node cluster of a read
>> heavy workload? I know there are so many variables, but should each node be
>> generating 1000 rps?
>
> Yes, you should be able to achieve 1000s ops/sec per node. We have a tuning
> section in our docs that is worth a read
> http://docs.basho.com/riak/1.4.0/cookbooks/Linux-Performance-Tuning/
>
> Hopefully I can get some more concrete answers for you later in the day.
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Russell Brown wrote:
>> Thanks Georgio,
>>
>> I just noticed that we went off list so I’m copying riak-users back in. I
>> always forget to reply-all.
>>
>> Also realised I never asked, what version of Riak are you running (looks
>> 1.4.something?)
>>
>> On 20 Dec 2013, at 10:01, Georgio Pandarez wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Russell,
>> >
>> > > What about the drives? Actually, with a single Key you’re probably not
>> > > touching the drives at all.
>> >
>> > Just a single SATA disk. I've only got two keys and am testing a single
>> > key at a time.
>> >
>> > > So is there a single HTTP connection? Many? How many? Does it use a pool
>> > > of connections that are kept alive, establishing an HTTP connection is
>> > > pricey. Is all the load going to one node? Spread across all 5?
>> >
>> > I am using haproxy to load balance requests against the 5 servers. I am
>> > using keepalive connections and have tested from 5 connections to 200
>> > connections. After a certain point increasing the connections only
>> > increases latency.
>> >
>>
>> That makes sense, there is usually a sweetspot for number of connections.
>> All your clients are contending for the same key.
>>
>> > Looking at the servers, riak is using most of the CPU, I'm not sure what
>> > it is doing.
>> >
>> > running riak-admin top from one of the servers shows the below, I've tried
>> > disabling riak_kv_stat but it still hangs around:
>>
>> You can’t disable stats in riak 1.4.x which is looks like your using (from
>> the inclusion of side job in the etop output)
>>
>> >
>> > Load: cpu 114 Memory: total 90204binary
>> > 672
>> > procs 670processes8103code
>> >10535
>> > runq1atom 493ets
>> >30233
>> >
>> > Pid Name or Initial Func Time Reds
>> > Memory MsgQ Current Function
>> > ---
>> > <6210.577.0>proc_lib:init_p/5 '-'7415450
>> > 34688 0 gen_fsm:loop/7
>> > <6210.2977.0> proc_lib:init_p/5 '-' 761452
>> > 2880 1 prim_file:drv_get_response/1
>> > <6210.304.0>riak_kv_stat_sj_1 '-' 371484
>> > 3856 0 gen_server:loop/6
>> > <6210.305.0>riak_kv_stat_sj_2 '-' 363239
>> > 3856 0 gen_server:loop/6
>> > <6210.1054.19> proc_lib:init_p/5 '-' 125656
>> > 34328 0 mochiweb_http:request/3
>> > <6210.753.19> proc_lib:init_p/5 '-' 125588
>> > 34328 0 mochiweb_http:request/3
>> > <6210.1041.19> proc_lib:init_p/5 '-' 125588
>> > 34328 0 mochiweb_http:request/3
>> > <6210.1052.19> proc_lib:init_p/5 '-' 125588
>> > 34328 0 mochiweb_http:
Re: Why should i choose riak over redis?
http://db-engines.com/en/system/Redis%3BRiak gets the main point: Redis is for "Applications that can hold all data in memory, and that have high performance requirements." I know we chose Riak with leveldb backend as we couldn't have all data in memory. Also Redis doesn't shard, so it won't scale to the size that Riak will. Also secondary indexes worked really well for us. - Peace Dave On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Suman Kumar wrote: > Hi, > > I would like use riak as a key/value store only so what it differs with > respect to redis and why should i go with riak instead of redis? many people > say riak but i don't see any clear difference why riak over redis. Even > redis can do the same stuff can you throw some light on this? > > Thanks, > Suman Kumar Dey. > > ___ > riak-users mailing list > riak-users@lists.basho.com > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com > ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: Continuous HTTP POSTs to Riak
You need to google 'Eventual consistency'. - Peace Dave On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Qiang Cao wrote: > Hi All, > > I use Riak as a KV store and send http requests to its REST API to update > entries. Instead of using curl, I use Apache HttpClient to send requests. > > One thing bothering me is that sometimes I find the entry isn't properly > updated after an HTTP POST/PUT. For example, if I do an HTTP GET on the > same key immediately after an HTTP POST, the chance is good that I get a > stale value. This happens when I continuously POST to a multi-node Riak, > and some of the posts target the same key. > > Also, I find I don't have this issue if I use a single-node Riak. So I > think something wasn't correct with my multi-node Riak cluster (I set > "allow_mult" to false). Any thoughts? > > Thanks in advance! > > Qiang > > ___ > riak-users mailing list > riak-users@lists.basho.com > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com > > ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: Is Riak dead?
Just FYI: I know one Apache Foundation Project that had to change it's name when it wanted to leave the foundation. - Peace Dave On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Russell Brown wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 17:26, Alexander Sicular wrote: > > > I love your enthusiasm Lloyd. How about starting with a slack channel > > and take it from there… > > What’s wrong with the existing IRC channel? > > > > > Things that would kinda need to happen for Riak to grow beyond where it > is now: > > Grow? Surely we’re just talking survival and maintenance in the first > instance. Security for those orgs that depend on it. Growth was the > problem, right? > > > > > - complete rebranding. Basho is dead. The term "Riak" may be encumbered. > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed > open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache > 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD. > > > - new everything. name. domain. github repo. bla bla bla. > > Again, I don’t agree. Why a new name? Obviously the basho domain is off > limits, but why does that matter, any great content on there? Or just > cartoon guys? > > Numerous orgs already have full forks of all repos, and all the issues > copied, and pull request histories etc. This wasn’t a surprise. > > > > > Instead of a framework, how can the Riak codebase actually become an > > Apache project? > > Personally not sure of the benefit of being an apache project. > > Russell > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 8:06 PM, wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> If there is enough interest, I'd be happy to do the legwork in Boston > and > >> put up a very modest contribution toward up-front cost with hope of > recovery > >> through registrations. > >> > >> > >> > >> Boston has conference spaces of all sizes. I would imagine a conference > on > >> the future of open-source Riak would be a fairly intimate group. I'm > also > >> imagining a fairly bare-bones event to minimize cost of registration. > >> Registration cost should be just enough to cover the venue and nibbles. > >> > >> > >> > >> Just to kick off brain-storming: > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. Say two days--- Friday and Saturday > >> > >> 2. Friday: Invite short (20 minute) proposals on key topics > >> > >> a. Clarifying legal issues > >> > >> b. Technical road map > >> > >> c. Organizational framework; e.g. ala Apache Foundation or some such > >> > >> d. Marketing; e.g. expanding the open-source community > >> > >> 3. Saturday (or Saturday morning) > >> > >> Discussion sessions with goal of recommendations for moving forward > >> > >> > >> > >> How to get from here to there: > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. Is there enough interest on the mailing list? > >> > >> 2. How can we pin down an agenda? > >> > >> 3. Can we get corporate sponsorships to minimize registration? > >> > >> 4. How can we most widely promote the event? > >> > >> 5. What else? > >> > >> > >> > >> All the best, > >> > >> > >> > >> Lloyd > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: "Russell Brown" > >> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 4:00pm > >> To: ll...@writersglen.com > >> Cc: "riak-users" , "Senthilkumar > Peelikkampatti" > >> , "Russell Brown" > >> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead? > >> > >> We have talked about it. Let's do it! > >> > >> On Jul 13, 2017 7:56 PM, ll...@writersglen.com wrote: > >> > >> Hmmm--- I wonder if anyone has given thought to a conference focused on > the > >> future of open-source Riak? > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm sure there are many good ideas out there re: roadmap and governance. > >> > >> > >> > >> It's just too great not to be worth deep thought and prudent action. > >> > >> > >> > >> All the best, > >> > >> > >> > >> LRP > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: "Russell Brown" > >> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:40pm > >> To: "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" > >> Cc: "riak-users" > >> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead? > >> > >> Hi Senthilkumar, > >> No Riak is not dead. It’s parent company, Basho is dead. And they kept > the > >> keys. There are numerous forks that are being worked on. Hopefully > something > >> that is a canonical, community backed fork will emerge. Past mailing > list > >> posts show strong support from large commercial and govt. organisations. > >> Riak is open source and will continue to be critical infrastructure for > >> numerous organisation in its niche for some time. > >> > >> There are also a few support organisations springing up, as well as the > >> existing partners (Erlang Solutions, Trifork etc.) If you’re asking me, > this > >> could be a very good thing for Riak in the medium to long term. It and > it’s > >> users and community were served very badly by Basho these last couple of > >> years. It’s a little trodden under, but no way dead. Give it a little > time > >> to bounce back. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Russell > >> > >> > >> On 11 Jul 2017, at 08:15, Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti <
Re: Is Riak dead?
Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak. http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html - Peace Dave On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular wrote: > > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown wrote: > > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed > open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache > 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD. > > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered > at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that beyond > the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so. > ___ > riak-users mailing list > riak-users@lists.basho.com > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com > ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: Is Riak dead?
6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file. So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name, and the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak. - Peace Dave On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King wrote: > > > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak. > > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html > > They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it > grants use of the name to identify the source. > > Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What > difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active > users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using > it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet. > > > > > - Peace > > Dave > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular > wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown > wrote: > > > > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed > open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache > 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD. > > > > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered > at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that beyond > the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so. > > ___ > > riak-users mailing list > > riak-users@lists.basho.com > > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com > > > > ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: Is Riak dead?
No, but I can read. - Peace Dave On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King wrote: > > > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade > names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except > as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of > the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file. > > > > So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name, > and the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak. > > You are lawyer? > > > > > - Peace > > Dave > > > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown > wrote: > > > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King wrote: > > > > > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak. > > > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html > > > > They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it > grants use of the name to identify the source. > > > > Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What > difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active > users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using > it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet. > > > > > > > > - Peace > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown > wrote: > > > > > > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 > licensed open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe > that apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD. > > > > > > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally > encumbered at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put > that beyond the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so. > > > ___ > > > riak-users mailing list > > > riak-users@lists.basho.com > > > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com > > > > > > > > > ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
Re: Is Riak dead?
You asked what difference the tm made. The tm invokes clause 6. So yes it means moving forward means a new name. That's one of the things to be considered. - Peace Dave On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Russell Brown wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:28, Dave King wrote: > > > No, but I can read. > > I read it too. I’m not sure what your point is. A day may come when the > name has to change? > > > > > - Peace > > Dave > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown > wrote: > > > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King wrote: > > > > > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade > names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except > as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of > the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file. > > > > > > So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product > name, and the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak. > > > > You are lawyer? > > > > > > > > - Peace > > > Dave > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown > wrote: > > > > > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King wrote: > > > > > > > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak. > > > > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html > > > > > > They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that > it grants use of the name to identify the source. > > > > > > Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What > difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active > users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using > it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet. > > > > > > > > > > > - Peace > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular < > sicul...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 > licensed open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe > that apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD. > > > > > > > > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally > encumbered at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put > that beyond the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so. > > > > ___ > > > > riak-users mailing list > > > > riak-users@lists.basho.com > > > > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ riak-users mailing list riak-users@lists.basho.com http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
