Re: Is Riak dead?

[Gokhan Boranalp]

Hi all,

I think it is better to wait for a while as Russel pointed a legal issues.
We also would like remark our support to Riak as a company.
We are ready to put coding/documentation/hosting etc. effort after all
things settled.

Cheers




On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:06 AM,   wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> If there is enough interest, I'd be happy to do the legwork in Boston and
> put up a very modest contribution toward up-front cost with hope of recovery
> through registrations.
>
>
>
> Boston has conference spaces of all sizes. I would imagine a conference on
> the future of open-source Riak would be a fairly intimate group. I'm also
> imagining a fairly bare-bones event to minimize cost of registration.
> Registration cost should be just enough to cover the venue and nibbles.
>
>
>
> Just to kick off brain-storming:
>
>
>
> 1. Say two days--- Friday and Saturday
>
> 2. Friday: Invite short (20 minute) proposals on key topics
>
>  a. Clarifying legal issues
>
>  b. Technical road map
>
>  c. Organizational framework; e.g. ala Apache Foundation or some such
>
>  d. Marketing; e.g. expanding the open-source community
>
> 3. Saturday (or Saturday morning)
>
>  Discussion sessions with goal of recommendations for moving forward
>
>
>
> How to get from here to there:
>
>
>
> 1. Is there enough interest on the mailing list?
>
> 2. How can we pin down an agenda?
>
> 3. Can we get corporate sponsorships to minimize registration?
>
> 4. How can we most widely promote the event?
>
> 5. What else?
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Lloyd
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Russell Brown" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 4:00pm
> To: ll...@writersglen.com
> Cc: "riak-users" , "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti"
> , "Russell Brown" 
> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
>
> We have talked about it. Let's do it!
>
> On Jul 13, 2017 7:56 PM, ll...@writersglen.com wrote:
>
> Hmmm--- I wonder if anyone has given thought to a conference focused on the
> future of open-source Riak?
>
>
>
> I'm sure there are many good ideas out there re: roadmap and governance.
>
>
>
> It's just too great not to be worth deep thought and prudent action.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> LRP
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Russell Brown" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:40pm
> To: "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" 
> Cc: "riak-users" 
> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
>
> Hi Senthilkumar,
> No Riak is not dead. It’s parent company, Basho is dead. And they kept the
> keys. There are numerous forks that are being worked on. Hopefully something
> that is a canonical, community backed fork will emerge. Past mailing list
> posts show strong support from large commercial and govt. organisations.
> Riak is open source and will continue to be critical infrastructure for
> numerous organisation in its niche for some time.
>
> There are also a few support organisations springing up, as well as the
> existing partners (Erlang Solutions, Trifork etc.) If you’re asking me, this
> could be a very good thing for Riak in the medium to long term. It and it’s
> users and community were served very badly by Basho these last couple of
> years. It’s a little trodden under, but no way dead. Give it a little time
> to bounce back.
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
>
>
> On 11 Jul 2017, at 08:15, Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti 
> wrote:
>
>> Is Riak dead? No new activities on Riak GitHub repo.
>>
>> https://github.com/basho/riak_kv/pulse/monthly
>> https://github.com/basho/riak/pulse/monthly
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Senthil
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Alexander Sicular]

I love your enthusiasm Lloyd. How about starting with a slack channel
and take it from there...

Things that would kinda need to happen for Riak to grow beyond where it is now:

- complete rebranding. Basho is dead. The term "Riak" may be encumbered.
- new everything. name. domain. github repo. bla bla bla.

Instead of a framework, how can the Riak codebase actually become an
Apache project?





On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 8:06 PM,   wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> If there is enough interest, I'd be happy to do the legwork in Boston and
> put up a very modest contribution toward up-front cost with hope of recovery
> through registrations.
>
>
>
> Boston has conference spaces of all sizes. I would imagine a conference on
> the future of open-source Riak would be a fairly intimate group. I'm also
> imagining a fairly bare-bones event to minimize cost of registration.
> Registration cost should be just enough to cover the venue and nibbles.
>
>
>
> Just to kick off brain-storming:
>
>
>
> 1. Say two days--- Friday and Saturday
>
> 2. Friday: Invite short (20 minute) proposals on key topics
>
>  a. Clarifying legal issues
>
>  b. Technical road map
>
>  c. Organizational framework; e.g. ala Apache Foundation or some such
>
>  d. Marketing; e.g. expanding the open-source community
>
> 3. Saturday (or Saturday morning)
>
>  Discussion sessions with goal of recommendations for moving forward
>
>
>
> How to get from here to there:
>
>
>
> 1. Is there enough interest on the mailing list?
>
> 2. How can we pin down an agenda?
>
> 3. Can we get corporate sponsorships to minimize registration?
>
> 4. How can we most widely promote the event?
>
> 5. What else?
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Lloyd
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Russell Brown" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 4:00pm
> To: ll...@writersglen.com
> Cc: "riak-users" , "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti"
> , "Russell Brown" 
> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
>
> We have talked about it. Let's do it!
>
> On Jul 13, 2017 7:56 PM, ll...@writersglen.com wrote:
>
> Hmmm--- I wonder if anyone has given thought to a conference focused on the
> future of open-source Riak?
>
>
>
> I'm sure there are many good ideas out there re: roadmap and governance.
>
>
>
> It's just too great not to be worth deep thought and prudent action.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> LRP
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Russell Brown" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:40pm
> To: "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" 
> Cc: "riak-users" 
> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
>
> Hi Senthilkumar,
> No Riak is not dead. It’s parent company, Basho is dead. And they kept the
> keys. There are numerous forks that are being worked on. Hopefully something
> that is a canonical, community backed fork will emerge. Past mailing list
> posts show strong support from large commercial and govt. organisations.
> Riak is open source and will continue to be critical infrastructure for
> numerous organisation in its niche for some time.
>
> There are also a few support organisations springing up, as well as the
> existing partners (Erlang Solutions, Trifork etc.) If you’re asking me, this
> could be a very good thing for Riak in the medium to long term. It and it’s
> users and community were served very badly by Basho these last couple of
> years. It’s a little trodden under, but no way dead. Give it a little time
> to bounce back.
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
>
>
> On 11 Jul 2017, at 08:15, Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti 
> wrote:
>
>> Is Riak dead? No new activities on Riak GitHub repo.
>>
>> https://github.com/basho/riak_kv/pulse/monthly
>> https://github.com/basho/riak/pulse/monthly
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Senthil
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Russell Brown]

On 14 Jul 2017, at 17:26, Alexander Sicular  wrote:

> I love your enthusiasm Lloyd. How about starting with a slack channel
> and take it from there…

What’s wrong with the existing IRC channel?

> 
> Things that would kinda need to happen for Riak to grow beyond where it is 
> now:

Grow? Surely we’re just talking survival and maintenance in the first instance. 
Security for those orgs that depend on it. Growth was the problem, right?

> 
> - complete rebranding. Basho is dead. The term "Riak" may be encumbered.

What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed open 
source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache 2 
licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.

> - new everything. name. domain. github repo. bla bla bla.

Again, I don’t agree. Why a new name? Obviously the basho domain is off limits, 
but why does that matter, any great content on there? Or just cartoon guys?

Numerous orgs already have full forks of all repos, and all the issues copied, 
and pull request histories etc. This wasn’t a surprise.

> 
> Instead of a framework, how can the Riak codebase actually become an
> Apache project?

Personally not sure of the benefit of being an apache project.

Russell

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 8:06 PM,   wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If there is enough interest, I'd be happy to do the legwork in Boston and
>> put up a very modest contribution toward up-front cost with hope of recovery
>> through registrations.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Boston has conference spaces of all sizes. I would imagine a conference on
>> the future of open-source Riak would be a fairly intimate group. I'm also
>> imagining a fairly bare-bones event to minimize cost of registration.
>> Registration cost should be just enough to cover the venue and nibbles.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Just to kick off brain-storming:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1. Say two days--- Friday and Saturday
>> 
>> 2. Friday: Invite short (20 minute) proposals on key topics
>> 
>> a. Clarifying legal issues
>> 
>> b. Technical road map
>> 
>> c. Organizational framework; e.g. ala Apache Foundation or some such
>> 
>> d. Marketing; e.g. expanding the open-source community
>> 
>> 3. Saturday (or Saturday morning)
>> 
>> Discussion sessions with goal of recommendations for moving forward
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How to get from here to there:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1. Is there enough interest on the mailing list?
>> 
>> 2. How can we pin down an agenda?
>> 
>> 3. Can we get corporate sponsorships to minimize registration?
>> 
>> 4. How can we most widely promote the event?
>> 
>> 5. What else?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lloyd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Russell Brown" 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 4:00pm
>> To: ll...@writersglen.com
>> Cc: "riak-users" , "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti"
>> , "Russell Brown" 
>> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
>> 
>> We have talked about it. Let's do it!
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2017 7:56 PM, ll...@writersglen.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm--- I wonder if anyone has given thought to a conference focused on the
>> future of open-source Riak?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sure there are many good ideas out there re: roadmap and governance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It's just too great not to be worth deep thought and prudent action.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> LRP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Russell Brown" 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:40pm
>> To: "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" 
>> Cc: "riak-users" 
>> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
>> 
>> Hi Senthilkumar,
>> No Riak is not dead. It’s parent company, Basho is dead. And they kept the
>> keys. There are numerous forks that are being worked on. Hopefully something
>> that is a canonical, community backed fork will emerge. Past mailing list
>> posts show strong support from large commercial and govt. organisations.
>> Riak is open source and will continue to be critical infrastructure for
>> numerous organisation in its niche for some time.
>> 
>> There are also a few support organisations springing up, as well as the
>> existing partners (Erlang Solutions, Trifork etc.) If you’re asking me, this
>> could be a very good thing for Riak in the medium to long term. It and it’s
>> users and community were served very badly by Basho these last couple of
>> years. It’s a little trodden under, but no way dead. Give it a little time
>> to bounce back.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Russell
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 Jul 2017, at 08:15, Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Is Riak dead? No new activities on Riak GitHub repo.
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/basho/riak_kv/pulse/monthly
>>> https://github.com/basho/riak/pulse/monthly
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Senthil
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Dave King]

Just FYI: I know one Apache Foundation Project that had to change it's name
when it wanted to leave the foundation.

- Peace
Dave





On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Russell Brown 
wrote:

>
> On 14 Jul 2017, at 17:26, Alexander Sicular  wrote:
>
> > I love your enthusiasm Lloyd. How about starting with a slack channel
> > and take it from there…
>
> What’s wrong with the existing IRC channel?
>
> >
> > Things that would kinda need to happen for Riak to grow beyond where it
> is now:
>
> Grow? Surely we’re just talking survival and maintenance in the first
> instance. Security for those orgs that depend on it. Growth was the
> problem, right?
>
> >
> > - complete rebranding. Basho is dead. The term "Riak" may be encumbered.
>
> What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed
> open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache
> 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
>
> > - new everything. name. domain. github repo. bla bla bla.
>
> Again, I don’t agree. Why a new name? Obviously the basho domain is off
> limits, but why does that matter, any great content on there? Or just
> cartoon guys?
>
> Numerous orgs already have full forks of all repos, and all the issues
> copied, and pull request histories etc. This wasn’t a surprise.
>
> >
> > Instead of a framework, how can the Riak codebase actually become an
> > Apache project?
>
> Personally not sure of the benefit of being an apache project.
>
> Russell
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 8:06 PM,   wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If there is enough interest, I'd be happy to do the legwork in Boston
> and
> >> put up a very modest contribution toward up-front cost with hope of
> recovery
> >> through registrations.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Boston has conference spaces of all sizes. I would imagine a conference
> on
> >> the future of open-source Riak would be a fairly intimate group. I'm
> also
> >> imagining a fairly bare-bones event to minimize cost of registration.
> >> Registration cost should be just enough to cover the venue and nibbles.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just to kick off brain-storming:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. Say two days--- Friday and Saturday
> >>
> >> 2. Friday: Invite short (20 minute) proposals on key topics
> >>
> >> a. Clarifying legal issues
> >>
> >> b. Technical road map
> >>
> >> c. Organizational framework; e.g. ala Apache Foundation or some such
> >>
> >> d. Marketing; e.g. expanding the open-source community
> >>
> >> 3. Saturday (or Saturday morning)
> >>
> >> Discussion sessions with goal of recommendations for moving forward
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> How to get from here to there:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. Is there enough interest on the mailing list?
> >>
> >> 2. How can we pin down an agenda?
> >>
> >> 3. Can we get corporate sponsorships to minimize registration?
> >>
> >> 4. How can we most widely promote the event?
> >>
> >> 5. What else?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lloyd
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: "Russell Brown" 
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 4:00pm
> >> To: ll...@writersglen.com
> >> Cc: "riak-users" , "Senthilkumar
> Peelikkampatti"
> >> , "Russell Brown" 
> >> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
> >>
> >> We have talked about it. Let's do it!
> >>
> >> On Jul 13, 2017 7:56 PM, ll...@writersglen.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmmm--- I wonder if anyone has given thought to a conference focused on
> the
> >> future of open-source Riak?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm sure there are many good ideas out there re: roadmap and governance.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's just too great not to be worth deep thought and prudent action.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> LRP
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: "Russell Brown" 
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:40pm
> >> To: "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" 
> >> Cc: "riak-users" 
> >> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
> >>
> >> Hi Senthilkumar,
> >> No Riak is not dead. It’s parent company, Basho is dead. And they kept
> the
> >> keys. There are numerous forks that are being worked on. Hopefully
> something
> >> that is a canonical, community backed fork will emerge. Past mailing
> list
> >> posts show strong support from large commercial and govt. organisations.
> >> Riak is open source and will continue to be critical infrastructure for
> >> numerous organisation in its niche for some time.
> >>
> >> There are also a few support organisations springing up, as well as the
> >> existing partners (Erlang Solutions, Trifork etc.) If you’re asking me,
> this
> >> could be a very good thing for Riak in the medium to long term. It and
> it’s
> >> users and community were served very badly by Basho these last couple of
> >> years. It’s a little trodden under, but no way dead. Give it a little
> time
> >> to bounce back.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Russell
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11 Jul 2017, at 08:15, Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti <

Re: Is Riak dead?

[Alexander Sicular]

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown  wrote:
> 
> What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed open 
> source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache 2 
> licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.

You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered at 
some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that beyond the 
clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so. 
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Dave King]

Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html

- Peace
Dave


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular 
wrote:

>
>
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown  wrote:
> >
> > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed
> open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache
> 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
>
> You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered
> at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that beyond
> the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Russell Brown]

On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:08, Alexander Sicular  wrote:

> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed open 
>> source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache 2 
>> licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
> 
> You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered at 
> some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that beyond the 
> clown fiesta that is Basho?

Yup. Not just me. It’s just a name.

> I don't think so.
 Think different(tm)



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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Russell Brown]

On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King  wrote:

> Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
> http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html

They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it grants 
use of the name to identify the source.

Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What difference 
does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active users of Riak, 
some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using it. Dance on 
Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet.

> 
> - Peace
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular  wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown  wrote:
> >
> > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed open 
> > source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache 2 
> > licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
> 
> You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered at 
> some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that beyond the 
> clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Russell Brown]

On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King  wrote:

> 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade names, 
> trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except as 
> required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of the 
> Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file.
> 
> So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name, and 
> the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak.

You are lawyer?

> 
> - Peace
> Dave
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King  wrote:
> 
> > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
> > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html
> 
> They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it 
> grants use of the name to identify the source.
> 
> Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What difference 
> does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active users of Riak, 
> some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using it. Dance on 
> Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet.
> 
> >
> > - Peace
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular  
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown  wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed 
> > > open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that 
> > > apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
> >
> > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered at 
> > some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that beyond 
> > the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
> > ___
> > riak-users mailing list
> > riak-users@lists.basho.com
> > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
> >
> 
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Dave King]

6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade
names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except
as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of
the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file.

So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name, and
the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak.

- Peace
Dave

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown 
wrote:

>
> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King  wrote:
>
> > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
> > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html
>
> They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it
> grants use of the name to identify the source.
>
> Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What
> difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active
> users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using
> it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet.
>
> >
> > - Peace
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed
> open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache
> 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
> >
> > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered
> at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that beyond
> the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
> > ___
> > riak-users mailing list
> > riak-users@lists.basho.com
> > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
> >
>
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[lloyd]

Hello,
 
Rackspace email has had serious issues, so I must have missed Alexander's 
latest post. But thanks to Russell's post, here are a few thoughts on several 
of Alexander's points:
 
I've never used slack and have minimal experience with IRC, but would be happy 
to adapt to any forum that would support serious dialogue and momentum toward 
consensus.
 
The problem is how to define and keep focus on the most immediate and concerns 
and issues. Unfortunately mailing list threads have a way of wandering off 
track.
 
Legal clarification is certainly high priority. It would be good to go through 
the Riak licenses to see what they do and do not permit. 

Even better if an IP attorney could share with the community an analysis. 
Perhaps there's a generous Riak corporate user out there willing to step up to 
the task.  
 
Here's info re: the current Basho Technologies lawsuit:
 
Basho Suit Stays On Course Despite Defense Counsel Chaos
https://www.law360.com/articles/917913/basho-suit-stays-on-course-despite-defense-counsel-chaos

This spat could go on for awhile and who knows who'll be left standing to pick 
up the pieces and if they'll be of mind to do so.

Meanwhile, many companies and developers who have adopted Riak products are 
left without support and under a big black cloud of uncertainty.

So the second, priority, seems to me, is to rally the existing community--- 
identify who and how many in the community have enough vested interest to work 
toward sustainability, continued availability, and future development of the 
open source Riak code. 

It may be little more than a holding action until the Basho Tech lawsuit is 
settled. But uncertainty has a way of devolving into apathy and loss of 
interest.

With regard to governance, it probably is too soon to do much more than define 
the options and weigh the pros and cons.

My assumption is that there are smart people with serious ideas and a vested 
interest out there. The question is, how can we best get the pot boiling?

All the best,

Lloyd
 
-Original Message-
From: "Russell Brown" 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 12:32pm
To: "Alexander Sicular" 
Cc: ll...@writersglen.com, "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" , 
"riak-users" 
Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?



On 14 Jul 2017, at 17:26, Alexander Sicular  wrote:

> I love your enthusiasm Lloyd. How about starting with a slack channel
> and take it from there…

What’s wrong with the existing IRC channel?

> 
> Things that would kinda need to happen for Riak to grow beyond where it is 
> now:

Grow? Surely we’re just talking survival and maintenance in the first instance. 
Security for those orgs that depend on it. Growth was the problem, right?

> 
> - complete rebranding. Basho is dead. The term "Riak" may be encumbered.

What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed open 
source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache 2 
licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.

> - new everything. name. domain. github repo. bla bla bla.

Again, I don’t agree. Why a new name? Obviously the basho domain is off limits, 
but why does that matter, any great content on there? Or just cartoon guys?

Numerous orgs already have full forks of all repos, and all the issues copied, 
and pull request histories etc. This wasn’t a surprise.

> 
> Instead of a framework, how can the Riak codebase actually become an
> Apache project?

Personally not sure of the benefit of being an apache project.

Russell

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 8:06 PM,  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If there is enough interest, I'd be happy to do the legwork in Boston and
>> put up a very modest contribution toward up-front cost with hope of recovery
>> through registrations.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Boston has conference spaces of all sizes. I would imagine a conference on
>> the future of open-source Riak would be a fairly intimate group. I'm also
>> imagining a fairly bare-bones event to minimize cost of registration.
>> Registration cost should be just enough to cover the venue and nibbles.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Just to kick off brain-storming:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1. Say two days--- Friday and Saturday
>> 
>> 2. Friday: Invite short (20 minute) proposals on key topics
>> 
>> a. Clarifying legal issues
>> 
>> b. Technical road map
>> 
>> c. Organizational framework; e.g. ala Apache Foundation or some such
>> 
>> d. Marketing; e.g. expanding the open-source community
>> 
>> 3. Saturday (or Saturday morning)
>> 
>> Discussion sessions with goal of recommendations for moving forward
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How to get from here to there:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1. Is there enough interest on the mailing list?
>> 
>> 2. How can we pin down an agenda?
>> 
>> 3. Can we get corporate sponsorships to minimize registration?
>> 
>> 4. How can we most widely promote the event?
>> 
>> 5. What else?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lloyd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Russell Brown" 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 13

Re: Is Riak dead?

[Dave King]

No, but I can read.

- Peace
Dave


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown 
wrote:

>
> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King  wrote:
>
> > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade
> names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except
> as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of
> the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file.
> >
> > So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name,
> and the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak.
>
> You are lawyer?
>
> >
> > - Peace
> > Dave
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King  wrote:
> >
> > > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
> > > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html
> >
> > They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it
> grants use of the name to identify the source.
> >
> > Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What
> difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active
> users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using
> it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet.
> >
> > >
> > > - Peace
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2
> licensed open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe
> that apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
> > >
> > > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally
> encumbered at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put
> that beyond the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
> > > ___
> > > riak-users mailing list
> > > riak-users@lists.basho.com
> > > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Russell Brown]

On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:28, Dave King  wrote:

> No, but I can read.

I read it too. I’m not sure what your point is. A day may come when the name 
has to change?

> 
> - Peace
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King  wrote:
> 
> > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade 
> > names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except 
> > as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of 
> > the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file.
> >
> > So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name, and 
> > the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak.
> 
> You are lawyer?
> 
> >
> > - Peace
> > Dave
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown  
> > wrote:
> >
> > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King  wrote:
> >
> > > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
> > > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html
> >
> > They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it 
> > grants use of the name to identify the source.
> >
> > Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What 
> > difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active 
> > users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using 
> > it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet.
> >
> > >
> > > - Peace
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular  
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed 
> > > > open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that 
> > > > apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
> > >
> > > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered 
> > > at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that 
> > > beyond the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
> > > ___
> > > riak-users mailing list
> > > riak-users@lists.basho.com
> > > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
> > >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Dave King]

You asked what difference the tm made.  The tm invokes clause 6.  So yes it
means moving forward means a new name.  That's one of the things to be
considered.

- Peace
Dave


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Russell Brown 
wrote:

>
> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:28, Dave King  wrote:
>
> > No, but I can read.
>
> I read it too. I’m not sure what your point is. A day may come when the
> name has to change?
>
> >
> > - Peace
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King  wrote:
> >
> > > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade
> names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except
> as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of
> the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file.
> > >
> > > So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product
> name, and the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak.
> >
> > You are lawyer?
> >
> > >
> > > - Peace
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
> > > > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html
> > >
> > > They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that
> it grants use of the name to identify the source.
> > >
> > > Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What
> difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active
> users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using
> it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > - Peace
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular <
> sicul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2
> licensed open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe
> that apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
> > > >
> > > > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally
> encumbered at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put
> that beyond the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
> > > > ___
> > > > riak-users mailing list
> > > > riak-users@lists.basho.com
> > > > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Russell Brown]

On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:36, Dave King  wrote:

> You asked what difference the tm made.  The tm invokes clause 6.  So yes it 
> means moving forward means a new name.  That's one of the things to be 
> considered.   

Agree, so if we’re sticking to the subject, “Is Riak dead?” the worst case is: 
“No, but potentially the name could be some time in the future”, right?

I asked rhetorically what difference the TM made. I’ve also read the license, 
and taken legal advice. This was not in any way a surprise.

> 
> - Peace
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Russell Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:28, Dave King  wrote:
> 
> > No, but I can read.
> 
> I read it too. I’m not sure what your point is. A day may come when the name 
> has to change?
> 
> >
> > - Peace
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown  
> > wrote:
> >
> > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King  wrote:
> >
> > > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade 
> > > names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, 
> > > except as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the 
> > > origin of the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file.
> > >
> > > So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name, 
> > > and the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak.
> >
> > You are lawyer?
> >
> > >
> > > - Peace
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown  
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
> > > > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html
> > >
> > > They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it 
> > > grants use of the name to identify the source.
> > >
> > > Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What 
> > > difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active 
> > > users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue 
> > > using it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > - Peace
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular  
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 
> > > > > licensed open source database, so it can continue to be used to 
> > > > > describe that apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
> > > >
> > > > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally 
> > > > encumbered at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to 
> > > > put that beyond the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
> > > > ___
> > > > riak-users mailing list
> > > > riak-users@lists.basho.com
> > > > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[lloyd]

Perhaps we can get overview of legal issues and options here:

http://www.softwarefreedom.org/services/

Best,

Lloyd

-Original Message-
From: "Russell Brown" 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 6:30pm
To: "Dave King" 
Cc: "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" , "riak-users" 

Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?


On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:28, Dave King  wrote:

> No, but I can read.

I read it too. I’m not sure what your point is. A day may come when the name 
has to change?

> 
> - Peace
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King  wrote:
> 
> > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade 
> > names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except 
> > as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of 
> > the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file.
> >
> > So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name, and 
> > the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak.
> 
> You are lawyer?
> 
> >
> > - Peace
> > Dave
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown  
> > wrote:
> >
> > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King  wrote:
> >
> > > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
> > > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html
> >
> > They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it 
> > grants use of the name to identify the source.
> >
> > Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What 
> > difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active 
> > users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using 
> > it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet.
> >
> > >
> > > - Peace
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular  
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed 
> > > > open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that 
> > > > apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
> > >
> > > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered 
> > > at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that 
> > > beyond the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
> > > ___
> > > riak-users mailing list
> > > riak-users@lists.basho.com
> > > http://lists.basho.com/mailman/listinfo/riak-users_lists.basho.com
> > >
> >
> >
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What rights do companies and developers have re: Basho Technology products given demise of Basho and current lawsuit?

[lloyd]

Hello,

Basho Technologies, founded in 2008, has developed over the years a 
cutting-edge suite of distributed computing products under the Riak name 
distributed as open source under the Apache 2 license.

Unfortunately, Basho Technologies seems to have closed their doors with 
investors and founders engaged in a court battle.

https://www.law360.com/articles/917913/basho-suit-stays-on-course-despite-defense-counsel-chaos

Now many Riak users, both corporate and individual developers, are under a 
great cloud of uncertainty as to what they can and can't do in terms of using 
and or forking the code and use of the Riak trademark.

So, questions:

-- Are there any legal issues with regard to continued use and development of 
Riak products?

-- Should the community choose to fork the products, what legal issues are 
involved?

-- Can users use the trademark and if so, under what constraints?

-- If Basho Technologies is legally dissolved, what happens to the license 
ownership?

-- Any other questions/issues we should be aware of?

Many thanks,

Lloyd R.Prentice
Writersglen Publications







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Riak community

[Lloyd R. Prentice]

If I'm reading this correctly, there are some 300 forks of Riak core and 800 
stars:

https://porter.io/github.com/basho/riak_core

Riak Wikipedia tells us:

Notable users include AT&T, Comcast,[9] GitHub,[9] Best Buy,[9] UK National 
Health Services (NHS),[10] The Weather Channel,[11] and Riot Games.[12]

Anybody have contacts?

Also, any idea how many people subscribe to Riak-users?

Best,

Lloyd

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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Outback Dingo]

i see 0 issue with simply renaming the project, its still the same
software under the hood.. it cant be that hard to create an open
source fork under a different name and carry forward

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 6:43 PM,   wrote:
> Perhaps we can get overview of legal issues and options here:
>
> http://www.softwarefreedom.org/services/
>
> Best,
>
> Lloyd
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Russell Brown" 
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 6:30pm
> To: "Dave King" 
> Cc: "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" , "riak-users" 
> 
> Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?
>
>
> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:28, Dave King  wrote:
>
>> No, but I can read.
>
> I read it too. I’m not sure what your point is. A day may come when the name 
> has to change?
>
>>
>> - Peace
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown  wrote:
>>
>> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King  wrote:
>>
>> > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade 
>> > names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except 
>> > as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of 
>> > the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file.
>> >
>> > So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name, 
>> > and the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak.
>>
>> You are lawyer?
>>
>> >
>> > - Peace
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
>> > > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html
>> >
>> > They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it 
>> > grants use of the name to identify the source.
>> >
>> > Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What 
>> > difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active 
>> > users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using 
>> > it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > - Peace
>> > > Dave
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular  
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed 
>> > > > open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that 
>> > > > apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
>> > >
>> > > You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered 
>> > > at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that 
>> > > beyond the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
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Re: Riak community

[Neil Visnapuu]

Considering the fact that 99% of all meaningful development is living in
Github, pretty sure Riak as a framework gonna be fine.  Like national
security fine.  As a recipient of Basho sales full court press and MD on a
Mongo devoted platform, Riak is probably more interesting to me now, than
it was when tethered to the Basho brain trust.  You all must chill.

On Jul 14, 2017 7:46 PM, "Lloyd R. Prentice"  wrote:

> If I'm reading this correctly, there are some 300 forks of Riak core and
> 800 stars:
>
> https://porter.io/github.com/basho/riak_core
>
> Riak Wikipedia tells us:
>
> Notable users include AT&T ,
> Comcast ,[9]
>  GitHub
> ,[9]
>  Best Buy
> ,[9]
>  UK National
> Health Services (NHS)
> ,[10]
>  The Weather Channel
> ,[11]
>  and Riot Games
> .[12]
> 
>
> Anybody have contacts?
>
> Also, any idea how many people subscribe to Riak-users?
>
> Best,
>
> Lloyd
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Is Riak dead?

[Alexander Sicular]

I'm not dancing on anyone's grave. Im a big fan of Riak, you know? I'm just 
pointing out that there is in fact a grave and if there is any hope for a Riak 
future the project will have to rebrand. 

I'm sorry, but no company in their right mind would seriously consider using 
Riak today if they weren't already using Riak. That's today, the story may 
change tomorrow. 


> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Russell Brown  wrote:
> 
>> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:36, Dave King  wrote:
>> 
>> You asked what difference the tm made.  The tm invokes clause 6.  So yes it 
>> means moving forward means a new name.  That's one of the things to be 
>> considered.
> 
> Agree, so if we’re sticking to the subject, “Is Riak dead?” the worst case 
> is: “No, but potentially the name could be some time in the future”, right?
> 
> I asked rhetorically what difference the TM made. I’ve also read the license, 
> and taken legal advice. This was not in any way a surprise.
> 
>> 
>> - Peace
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Russell Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:28, Dave King  wrote:
>> 
>>> No, but I can read.
>> 
>> I read it too. I’m not sure what your point is. A day may come when the name 
>> has to change?
>> 
>>> 
>>> - Peace
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King  wrote:
>>> 
 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade 
 names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except 
 as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of 
 the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file.
 
 So At minimum I read that as there would need to be a new product name, 
 and the docs for that product could say formerly known as Riak.
>>> 
>>> You are lawyer?
>>> 
 
 - Peace
 Dave
 
 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Russell Brown  
 wrote:
 
 On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King  wrote:
 
> Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak.
> http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html
 
 They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it 
 grants use of the name to identify the source.
 
 Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guessing you’re not a lawyer. What 
 difference does the name or trademark make? There are a bunch of active 
 users of Riak, some of whom have made it clear they plan to continue using 
 it. Dance on Basho’s grave all you want, but Riak isn’t dead yet.
 
> 
> - Peace
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed 
>> open source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that 
>> apache 2 licensed database, please don’t spread FUD.
> 
> You willing to invest time in a project that could be legally encumbered 
> at some point in the future because lawyers? You willing to put that 
> beyond the clown fiesta that is Basho? I don't think so.
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