Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and Questions

[Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches]

Maybe it's the lugs I am using, but even when I VERY carefully strip 4/0
fine stranded cable, it is very difficult to get all strands into the lugs.
I don't think a mechanical stripper would be workable, but maybe I'm doing
something wrong.

I gave up on Magna Lugs in favor of the flared lugs from PV-Cables.com.

I am watching with interest about feedback on the Milwaukee crimpers. I
like expensive tools, but I'm having a hard time justifying this one. My
local battery store has a manual bench mounted crimper that works wonders
and they let me use it for free as long as I buy something there. I keep
forgetting to get the model number on it because I might buy one to clamp
to my bumper for making cables when necessary.

Jason Szumlanski
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On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 2:49 PM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches <
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> Wrenches,
>
> We are embarking on a project in November that has enough battery cable
> and terminal crimps to justify researching and buying power tools specific
> to the task.  If other Wrenches have product recommendations I'll take
> them.  The battery wire we've spec'd is 4/0 copper (UL 1283 / MTW / THW).
>
> For the stripper should I be looking for a stripper that works for copper 
> "THHN
> / XHHW" or "RHW / RHH / USE"?  Logic would suggest THHN but I don't know
> enough about the individual properties of these wire types to understand
> the pros and cons of how well it will strip the wire given the different
> insulating jacket thicknesses.
>
> So far in my initial research I have only found crimpers that are
> lineman-specific and haven't dived into the realm of automotive tools so
> any direction that folks could throw my way along this avenue will also be
> appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
> [image: OnSite Energy]
> 
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and Questions

[Sindelar Solar via RE-wrenches]

Jason,
Here's a simple trick for getting fine-stranded cable into a lug: Make 
two very careful radial cuts around the end of the insulation, one at 
the intended end of the insulation and a second about halfway or less 
toward the cable end. Remove the ring of insulation closest to the end. 
Slide the remaining ring to the end of the cable but don't remove it 
from the cable. Press the cable end into the lug opening as far as it 
will go; the ring of insulation holds the strands together. Slit the 
ring and push it the rest of the way into the lug. Crimp.

Allan

On 10/22/2024 12:03 PM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
Maybe it's the lugs I am using, but even when I VERY carefully strip 
4/0 fine stranded cable, it is very difficult to get all strands into 
the lugs. I don't think a mechanical stripper would be workable, but 
maybe I'm doing something wrong.


I gave up on Magna Lugs in favor of the flared lugs from PV-Cables.com.
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and Questions

[Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches]

That's exactly what I do with my Klein hawkbill knife. My guys prefer a
razor knife. I still find it hard to get the Magna Lugs on there. It is
much easier with the flared lugs.

Jason Szumlanski
Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group
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Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956
Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208


On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 3:32 PM Sindelar Solar via RE-wrenches <
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> Jason,
> Here's a simple trick for getting fine-stranded cable into a lug: Make two
> very careful radial cuts around the end of the insulation, one at the
> intended end of the insulation and a second about halfway or less toward
> the cable end. Remove the ring of insulation closest to the end. Slide the
> remaining ring to the end of the cable but don't remove it from the cable.
> Press the cable end into the lug opening as far as it will go; the ring of
> insulation holds the strands together. Slit the ring and push it the rest
> of the way into the lug. Crimp.
> Allan
>
> On 10/22/2024 12:03 PM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
>
> Maybe it's the lugs I am using, but even when I VERY carefully strip 4/0
> fine stranded cable, it is very difficult to get all strands into the lugs.
> I don't think a mechanical stripper would be workable, but maybe I'm doing
> something wrong.
>
> I gave up on Magna Lugs in favor of the flared lugs from PV-Cables.com.
> Jason Szumlanski
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Re: [RE-wrenches] washer on OutBack inverter

[Dana Orzel via RE-wrenches]

I’m off-grid & still using my 20+ year-old Fisher Paykal washer, had to replace 
the control board at one point, 2 thumbs up on that nothing fancy about this 
washer, but super reliable about 140 WHR per full load on a favorite set up of 
parameters full water, extra rinse,
This unit has a really good spin out to get a lot of water out of the clothes, 
but it’s pretty old style. It’s given running for 20 years on various outback 
Inverters
running it on a radian 8048 and an Onan 20 KW generator system
Dana Orzel
C: 208.721.7003
E- d...@solarwork.com

On Oct 21, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Bob-O via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:

 We’ve had an LG front loader for years. Kathleen wrote it up in HP (rip). 
It’s an “Inverter-Direct Drive” model,  whatever that means. Energy Star, of 
course. It runs on an OLD FX-2524 and has been flawless (so far…). That sound 
you hear is me knocking on wood….
Bob-O

On Oct 21, 2024, at 8:13 AM, David Palumbo via RE-wrenches 
 wrote:


Wrenches,

I need to replace a front load washer in my off grid rental house.

Looking at LG's and I'm wondering if any of you have experience with them 
running on OutBack inverter power.

The Maytag washer I'm replacing ran fine on inverter power but would not 
operate on Generac Eco-Gen power.

Dave Palumbo
Hyde Park, Vermont
802-371-8678 voice or text

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[RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and Questions

[Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches]

Wrenches,

We are embarking on a project in November that has enough battery cable and
terminal crimps to justify researching and buying power tools specific to
the task.  If other Wrenches have product recommendations I'll take them.
The battery wire we've spec'd is 4/0 copper (UL 1283 / MTW / THW).

For the stripper should I be looking for a stripper that works for copper "THHN
/ XHHW" or "RHW / RHH / USE"?  Logic would suggest THHN but I don't know
enough about the individual properties of these wire types to understand
the pros and cons of how well it will strip the wire given the different
insulating jacket thicknesses.

So far in my initial research I have only found crimpers that are
lineman-specific and haven't dived into the realm of automotive tools so
any direction that folks could throw my way along this avenue will also be
appreciated.

Cheers,
Sam

[image: OnSite Energy]


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(406) 551-6135
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Locally owned and operated since 2012
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and Questions

[Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches]

Hi Sam,

I purchased the Milwaukee Force Logic crimper a few years ago and it’s been
worth every penny. The cutting attachment doesn’t work so well on fine
stranded, but the crimper attachment has worked flawlessly. I use it almost
every day.

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/2679-600C

-Chris

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 2:49 PM Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
> We are embarking on a project in November that has enough battery cable
> and terminal crimps to justify researching and buying power tools specific
> to the task.  If other Wrenches have product recommendations I'll take
> them.  The battery wire we've spec'd is 4/0 copper (UL 1283 / MTW / THW).
>
> For the stripper should I be looking for a stripper that works for copper 
> "THHN
> / XHHW" or "RHW / RHH / USE"?  Logic would suggest THHN but I don't know
> enough about the individual properties of these wire types to understand
> the pros and cons of how well it will strip the wire given the different
> insulating jacket thicknesses.
>
> So far in my initial research I have only found crimpers that are
> lineman-specific and haven't dived into the realm of automotive tools so
> any direction that folks could throw my way along this avenue will also be
> appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
> [image: OnSite Energy]
> 
>
> SAM HARALDSON
> Operations Specialist
> (406) 551-6135
> 1515 N. Rouse Ave Bozeman, MT 59715
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and Questions

[William Miller via RE-wrenches]

Am:



Check with PV Cables to see if they have a recommendation.



William



Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

805-438-5600

www.millersolar.com

CA Lic. 773985





*From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On
Behalf Of *Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2024 11:49 AM
*To:* RE-wrenches
*Cc:* Sam Haraldson
*Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and
Questions



Wrenches,



We are embarking on a project in November that has enough battery cable and
terminal crimps to justify researching and buying power tools specific to
the task.  If other Wrenches have product recommendations I'll take them.
The battery wire we've spec'd is 4/0 copper (UL 1283 / MTW / THW).



For the stripper should I be looking for a stripper that works for copper "THHN
/ XHHW" or "RHW / RHH / USE"?  Logic would suggest THHN but I don't know
enough about the individual properties of these wire types to understand
the pros and cons of how well it will strip the wire given the different
insulating jacket thicknesses.



So far in my initial research I have only found crimpers that are
lineman-specific and haven't dived into the realm of automotive tools so
any direction that folks could throw my way along this avenue will also be
appreciated.



Cheers,

Sam



[image: OnSite Energy]


*SAM HARALDSON *

Operations Specialist

(406) 551-6135

1515 N. Rouse Ave Bozeman, MT 59715

Locally owned and operated since 2012

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and Questions

[Kirpal Khalsa via RE-wrenches]

I love our Milwaukee Force Logic crimper - beautiful, effortless crimps in
small spaces We get nice flared crimp lugs of all various sizes from PV
Cables Inc. - Bryan over there takes good care of us. After years of doing
crimps manually the knuckles on my hands really appreciate the battery
powered devices.  For stripping the wire I like the sire slitter/stripper
like this

one available online. These are good at removing insulation without
disturbing the strands inside making it easy to slip into a flared lug and
even doable if not flared.
One of my other favorite tools is the battery powered Milwaukee hole
punch.  Those two tools really make doing battery based systems much more
efficient with clean tidy results.
Keep up the good work.
Happy fall!

Sunny Regards,
Kirpal Khalsa
Oregon LRT#25
Oregon Solarworks LLC
www.oregonsolarworks.com
541-299-0402




>>
>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 3:32 PM Sindelar Solar via RE-wrenches <
>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Jason,
>>> Here's a simple trick for getting fine-stranded cable into a lug: Make
>>> two very careful radial cuts around the end of the insulation, one at the
>>> intended end of the insulation and a second about halfway or less toward
>>> the cable end. Remove the ring of insulation closest to the end. Slide the
>>> remaining ring to the end of the cable but don't remove it from the cable.
>>> Press the cable end into the lug opening as far as it will go; the ring of
>>> insulation holds the strands together. Slit the ring and push it the rest
>>> of the way into the lug. Crimp.
>>> Allan
>>>
>>> On 10/22/2024 12:03 PM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe it's the lugs I am using, but even when I VERY carefully strip 4/0
>>> fine stranded cable, it is very difficult to get all strands into the lugs.
>>> I don't think a mechanical stripper would be workable, but maybe I'm doing
>>> something wrong.
>>>
>>> I gave up on Magna Lugs in favor of the flared lugs from PV-Cables.com.
>>> Jason Szumlanski
>>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and Questions

[James Jarvis via RE-wrenches]

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 9:07 PM Kirpal Khalsa via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> I love our Milwaukee Force Logic crimper - beautiful, effortless crimps in
> small spaces
>

Which crimper / die package do you have? Milwaukee has a confusingly large
selection of them.

Thanks,

-Jim
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and Questions

[Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches]

Polarwire's Arctic Ultraflex and the lugs they sell are made for each
other. No errant strands to deal with. Insulation cuts easily with any
knife. I cut lengths with a small cordless bandsaw. I crimp with a cheap
Chinese hydraulic crimper. I used the Milwaukie on a job and it was nice,
but I've never felt the need to buy one and I make lots of cables. 30
yesterday. And I'm a tool queer :)

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:39 PM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <
re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:

> That's exactly what I do with my Klein hawkbill knife. My guys prefer a
> razor knife. I still find it hard to get the Magna Lugs on there. It is
> much easier with the flared lugs.
>
> Jason Szumlanski
> Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group
> NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)
> Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956
> Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 3:32 PM Sindelar Solar via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> Jason,
>> Here's a simple trick for getting fine-stranded cable into a lug: Make
>> two very careful radial cuts around the end of the insulation, one at the
>> intended end of the insulation and a second about halfway or less toward
>> the cable end. Remove the ring of insulation closest to the end. Slide the
>> remaining ring to the end of the cable but don't remove it from the cable.
>> Press the cable end into the lug opening as far as it will go; the ring of
>> insulation holds the strands together. Slit the ring and push it the rest
>> of the way into the lug. Crimp.
>> Allan
>>
>> On 10/22/2024 12:03 PM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote:
>>
>> Maybe it's the lugs I am using, but even when I VERY carefully strip 4/0
>> fine stranded cable, it is very difficult to get all strands into the lugs.
>> I don't think a mechanical stripper would be workable, but maybe I'm doing
>> something wrong.
>>
>> I gave up on Magna Lugs in favor of the flared lugs from PV-Cables.com.
>> Jason Szumlanski
>>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Crimper and Stripper Recommendations and Questions

[Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches]

Here's a link to the dies(U style copper)

https://www.platt.com/p/0010680/milwaukee/8-600-mcm-copper-u-style-die-kit/045242339372/mil4916kitc

And the tool..

https://www.platt.com/p/0010677/milwaukee/600-350-mcm-crimping-tool/045242339488/mil267922

They have a larger one for up to 750mcm and a m12 one but I think this one
is the ticket.

 Sunny Regards,
Tyrone Houck
LRT 076
Oregon Solarworks LLC
541-787-1366
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On Tue, Oct 22, 2024, 7:27 PM James Jarvis via RE-wrenches <
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>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 9:07 PM Kirpal Khalsa via RE-wrenches <
> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:
>
>> I love our Milwaukee Force Logic crimper - beautiful, effortless crimps
>> in small spaces
>>
>
> Which crimper / die package do you have? Milwaukee has a confusingly large
> selection of them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Jim
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