Re: [RE-wrenches] SI 5048 and replacement Lithium Ion battery bank

[Tump]

Have you tried Hassan Taylor at SMA?  Perhaps the default begin charging 
settings of 70% SOC may not be acceptable to the newer battery tech. 
Victron has inverters quite similar to the SMA line and their LiFe battery line 
along w/ their BMS, performs quite well.
I have used LiFe but Im still NOT sold on them. We, as an industry, have 
repeatably been offered the latest & greatest, "were here for the long run” 
manufacturers, only to be left holding the unanswered phone. Aquion anyone?
That being said, I really have not found FLA/ AGM battery performance, venting 
or installations to be too tough. 

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Ray  wrote:
> 
> I recently contacted SMA about their requirement that if the LI+ battery 
> isn't on their list, that we must use Lead acid.  I consider that to be a 
> really poor answer;  just because they haven't tested it, we should not be 
> forced to use a much worse alternative.  Yes, they would prefer to have all 
> their tech communicate with the battery tech, but telling us to use lead 
> acid, that has no communications available at all is the answer?Lead 
> and Sulfuric acid that off gases deadly H2S, with no internal BMS at all, 
> inefficient overall performance, and short life is preferred ??!
> On top of that, SMA has no one that can even answer questions on the Sunny 
> Island systems at all.  Tech support can't or won't answer any of our 
> questions.  Repeated emails to Heiko Stieber (apparently the only one there 
> that knows) have gone unanswered.  We are in the middle of a large 4 system 
> project, that would have used 15 Sunny Island inverters, but we had to switch 
> to Schneider, because of the utter lack of technical support for battery 
> based systems from SMA.  We were also considering the Tripower Storage 60, 
> but it is only available in Europe, and once again, we can't get any support 
> or info on that product either.  
> My decision process works like this: if you can't answer tech questions in 
> the design phase, where are we going to be when we're trouble shooting this 
> equipment in some remote location later?
> 
> Answer: SMA is not a viable option at this time.
> 
> Too bad, I've been installing their equipment for almost 20 years, they were 
> our first choice too
> 
> And back to Carl's question: most of the batteries on SMA's approved list 
> aren't even available in the US..so no, we don't have experience with 
> them.
> 
> Rant off,
> Ray Walters
> Remote Solar
> 303 505-8760
> On 1/7/20 12:08 PM, Carl Adams wrote:
>> Hello Wrenches,
>> I have a SI 5048 system installed in 2012 with Concorde PVX-4050HT AGM 
>> battery bank.  The system has shut down a couple of times with low battery 
>> voltage and it seems the batteries may be on their way out.  There are some 
>> signs of seepage on a couple of these sealed batteries.  A few pictures 
>> attached.  
>> 
>> System owner would like to consider a Lithium Ion replacement.  SMA provided 
>> the attached list of compatible batteries.  Can any of you provide your 
>> experience with these batteries or others which could work for this 
>> application?
>> 
>> With Kind Regards
>> Carl Adams
>> SunRock Solar
>> 
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[RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?

[Christopher Warfel]

Wrenches,

I was told that the NEC 2020 will not be available as a file. You can 
only access on line, or via the book.  Has anyone confirmed this?  It 
seems pretty certain.   How many times is one out in the field and needs 
to reference the NEC?  Now to do so, you will need the book or a 
connection to the Internet.  I am having a hard time believing that NFPA 
would be this short-sighted.  Chris


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Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?

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https://catalog.nfpa.org/NFPA-70-National-Electrical-Code-NEC-Softbound-P1194.aspx?order_src=G010&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-fSc1e305gIVgtdkCh3Z0gXeEAAYASAAEgJ0nvD_BwE


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:35 PM Christopher Warfel <
cwar...@entech-engineering.com> wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
> I was told that the NEC 2020 will not be available as a file. You can
> only access on line, or via the book.  Has anyone confirmed this?  It
> seems pretty certain.   How many times is one out in the field and needs
> to reference the NEC?  Now to do so, you will need the book or a
> connection to the Internet.  I am having a hard time believing that NFPA
> would be this short-sighted.  Chris
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Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?

[August Goers]

I've heard from multiple sources and confirmed myself that you can't get
the portable pdf of the NEC starting with the 2020 edition. The link that
Lorenzo shared seems to indicate that older versions including 2017 edition
are available in a digital format.

[image: image.png]

August
Luminalt


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:35 PM Christopher Warfel <
cwar...@entech-engineering.com> wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
> I was told that the NEC 2020 will not be available as a file. You can
> only access on line, or via the book.  Has anyone confirmed this?  It
> seems pretty certain.   How many times is one out in the field and needs
> to reference the NEC?  Now to do so, you will need the book or a
> connection to the Internet.  I am having a hard time believing that NFPA
> would be this short-sighted.  Chris
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Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?

[Sam Haraldson]

Although the 2020 version is advertised as being available in a pdf format
there is an asterisk at the end of the page stating, "*One-year online
access to *NEC 2020 Digital* is non-refundable. An Internet connection is
required. (Digital, 2020)".  In other words there does not appear to be an
electronic, downloadable version.

NEC 2020 Digital Access 1-Year
When you select a digital product (pdf or digital access), you are
purchasing a license to access NFPA *Information* electronically. To
protect the authenticity of your product, certain restrictions apply.



>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?

[Jerry Shafer]

Wrenches
Maybe its just me but a NEC book still seams to be best in a paperback
version then on a PDF or on line looking a a 5" screen, sometime tech is
not the best solution but thats just me
Jerry

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:35 AM Christopher Warfel <
cwar...@entech-engineering.com> wrote:

> Wrenches,
>
> I was told that the NEC 2020 will not be available as a file. You can
> only access on line, or via the book.  Has anyone confirmed this?  It
> seems pretty certain.   How many times is one out in the field and needs
> to reference the NEC?  Now to do so, you will need the book or a
> connection to the Internet.  I am having a hard time believing that NFPA
> would be this short-sighted.  Chris
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Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?

[Glenn Burt]

It is true, I have both 2017 and 2014 in PDF format.They must be concerned 
about piracy.-GlennSent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and 
spelling errors.-- Original message--From: August GoersDate: Wed, Jan 
8, 2020 3:48 PMTo: RE-wrenches;Cc: Subject:Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not 
available as a portable PDF?I've heard from multiple sources and confirmed 
myself that you can't get the portable pdf of the NEC starting with the 2020 
edition. The link that Lorenzo shared seems to indicate that older versions 
including 2017 edition are available in a digital format.AugustLuminaltOn Wed, 
Jan 8, 2020 at 12:35 PM Christopher Warfel  
wrote:Wrenches,

I was told that the NEC 2020 will not be available as a file. You can 
only access on line, or via the book.  Has anyone confirmed this?  It 
seems pretty certain.   How many times is one out in the field and needs 
to reference the NEC?  Now to do so, you will need the book or a 
connection to the Internet.  I am having a hard time believing that NFPA 
would be this short-sighted.  Chris

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Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?

[Glenn Burt]

I have used PDF versions of the previous 3 releases of the NEC extensively.On 
my laptops, telephone and tablet, when responding to questions in the field, 
from installers, and other inspectors. It takes up no more space when I travel, 
and I can do it discretely in a class to confirm or question a statement. I 
find it to be much more valuable than a hardcopy in any format.Again, just one 
guys opinion.-GlennSent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and 
spelling errors.-- Original message--From: Jerry ShaferDate: Wed, Jan 
8, 2020 4:55 PMTo: RE-wrenches;Cc: Subject:Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not 
available as a portable PDF?WrenchesMaybe its just me but a NEC book still 
seams to be best in a paperback version then on a PDF or on line looking a a 5" 
screen, sometime tech is not the best solution but thats just meJerryOn Wed, 
Jan 8, 2020 at 10:35 AM Christopher Warfel  
wrote:Wrenches,

I was told that the NEC 2020 will not be available as a
 file. You can 
only access on line, or via the book.  Has anyone confirmed this?  It 
seems pretty certain.   How many times is one out in the field and needs 
to reference the NEC?  Now to do so, you will need the book or a 
connection to the Internet.  I am having a hard time believing that NFPA 
would be this short-sighted.  Chris

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Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?

[gary easton]

It’s a subscription.  The digital you pay for access each year.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM Glenn Burt  wrote:

> It is true, I have both 2017 and 2014 in PDF format.
>
> They must be concerned about piracy.
>
> -Glenn
> Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors.
>
> -- Original message--
> *From: *August Goers
> *Date: *Wed, Jan 8, 2020 3:48 PM
> *To: *RE-wrenches;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?
>
> I've heard from multiple sources and confirmed myself that you can't get
> the portable pdf of the NEC starting with the 2020 edition. The link that
> Lorenzo shared seems to indicate that older versions including 2017 edition
> are available in a digital format.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> August
> Luminalt
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:35 PM Christopher Warfel <
> cwar...@entech-engineering.com> wrote:
>
>> Wrenches,
>>
>> I was told that the NEC 2020 will not be available as a file. You can
>> only access on line, or via the book.  Has anyone confirmed this?  It
>> seems pretty certain.   How many times is one out in the field and needs
>> to reference the NEC?  Now to do so, you will need the book or a
>> connection to the Internet.  I am having a hard time believing that NFPA
>> would be this short-sighted.  Chris
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[RE-wrenches] Switch Energy Storage Systems

[William Miller]

Greetings, Colleagues:



Anyone have any experience with the Switch Energy Storage Systems?  (
http://switchstorage.com/product/)



Thanks in advance.



William Miller
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Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?

[Jason Szumlanski]

We are going backwards in this world. Thanks for making us less productive,
NFPA. #Greedy.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:26 PM gary easton  wrote:

> It’s a subscription.  The digital you pay for access each year.
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM Glenn Burt  wrote:
>
>> It is true, I have both 2017 and 2014 in PDF format.
>>
>> They must be concerned about piracy.
>>
>> -Glenn
>> Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors.
>>
>> -- Original message--
>> *From: *August Goers
>> *Date: *Wed, Jan 8, 2020 3:48 PM
>> *To: *RE-wrenches;
>> *Cc: *
>> *Subject:*Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?
>>
>> I've heard from multiple sources and confirmed myself that you can't get
>> the portable pdf of the NEC starting with the 2020 edition. The link that
>> Lorenzo shared seems to indicate that older versions including 2017 edition
>> are available in a digital format.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> August
>> Luminalt
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:35 PM Christopher Warfel <
>> cwar...@entech-engineering.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wrenches,
>>>
>>> I was told that the NEC 2020 will not be available as a file. You can
>>> only access on line, or via the book.  Has anyone confirmed this?  It
>>> seems pretty certain.   How many times is one out in the field and needs
>>> to reference the NEC?  Now to do so, you will need the book or a
>>> connection to the Internet.  I am having a hard time believing that NFPA
>>> would be this short-sighted.  Chris
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[RE-wrenches] NEC in PDF format not availaible for 2020

[William Miller]

Friends:



I find the PDF version best for my uses.  A portable, searchable,
bookmark-able and cut and paste-able resource is essential for my work flow.



I don’t think the NFPA is considering the needs of the field engineer when
eliminating the PDF version.  Maybe there are some members of this forum
that have the ear of the NFPA and can put in a word to restore the portable
version.



As an aside, I find it troubling that one has to pay to read any law of the
land.  If a society makes rules, they should be freely available for all to
review, free of charge.  That is just my altruistic bias.



William Miller

Miller Solar
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Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?

[Bradley Bassett]

The best price I've found for the handbook is at Barnes & Noble. If you go
into the store you have to ask for the internet price. Also at least at my
store they had it behind the counter in case you go looking for it.

Brad

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:26 PM Jason Szumlanski <
ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote:

> We are going backwards in this world. Thanks for making us less
> productive, NFPA. #Greedy.
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:26 PM gary easton  wrote:
>
>> It’s a subscription.  The digital you pay for access each year.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM Glenn Burt  wrote:
>>
>>> It is true, I have both 2017 and 2014 in PDF format.
>>>
>>> They must be concerned about piracy.
>>>
>>> -Glenn
>>> Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors.
>>>
>>> -- Original message--
>>> *From: *August Goers
>>> *Date: *Wed, Jan 8, 2020 3:48 PM
>>> *To: *RE-wrenches;
>>> *Cc: *
>>> *Subject:*Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 2020 not available as a portable PDF?
>>>
>>> I've heard from multiple sources and confirmed myself that you can't get
>>> the portable pdf of the NEC starting with the 2020 edition. The link that
>>> Lorenzo shared seems to indicate that older versions including 2017 edition
>>> are available in a digital format.
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> August
>>> Luminalt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:35 PM Christopher Warfel <
>>> cwar...@entech-engineering.com> wrote:
>>>
 Wrenches,

 I was told that the NEC 2020 will not be available as a file. You can
 only access on line, or via the book.  Has anyone confirmed this?  It
 seems pretty certain.   How many times is one out in the field and
 needs
 to reference the NEC?  Now to do so, you will need the book or a
 connection to the Internet.  I am having a hard time believing that
 NFPA
 would be this short-sighted.  Chris

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