[RE-wrenches] GS battery use?

2018-01-04 Thread Daniel Tittmann 
I am reaching out to the group to see if there is any experience with GS
batteries.  Their cycle life graph is better than I have seen in any VRLA
battery I have seen (see comparison below).  I wanted to know if anyone on
here has used them and if so have you experienced the cycle life that they
are reporting.  I am waiting for a reply from the manufacturer for more
info as well.

[image: Inline image 2]

as comparison:
 Rolls gel cell cycle life is more classic to what we see in most batteries
http://www.rollsbattery.com/wp-content/uploads/batteries/S2-1070GEL.pdf
[image: Inline image 3]

or Full river DC400-6
http://www.fullriverbattery.com/product/batteries/DC400-6
[image: Inline image 1]
What am i missing or how do they do this?
thanks
Daniel

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Re: [RE-wrenches] GS battery use?

2018-01-04 Thread Steve Higgins 
Daniel,

There is a big difference in the construction of these two very different
batteries.

The FR battery is a AGM battery with a limited amount of electrolyte and a
much smaller plate than the OPZv Tubular Gel Battery.

The larger plate (Tubular Plated Gel) as well as the excess Gel Electrolyte
are going to give you longer life cycles, of course if properly taken care
of.

Both batteries are very sensitive to undercharging/overcharging... You must
be spot on with your settings/usage to actually get this much life out of
both batteries.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Daniel Tittmann 
wrote:

> I am reaching out to the group to see if there is any experience with GS
> batteries.  Their cycle life graph is better than I have seen in any VRLA
> battery I have seen (see comparison below).  I wanted to know if anyone on
> here has used them and if so have you experienced the cycle life that they
> are reporting.  I am waiting for a reply from the manufacturer for more
> info as well.
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> as comparison:
>  Rolls gel cell cycle life is more classic to what we see in most batteries
> http://www.rollsbattery.com/wp-content/uploads/batteries/S2-1070GEL.pdf
> [image: Inline image 3]
>
> or Full river DC400-6
> http://www.fullriverbattery.com/product/batteries/DC400-6
> [image: Inline image 1]
> What am i missing or how do they do this?
> thanks
> Daniel
>
> Daniel Tittmann
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GS battery use?

2018-01-04 Thread Daniel Tittmann 
forgot to include the link to the GS batteries.

http://www.gsbattery.com/PDFs/SLR1000-2.pdf

Thank you Steve for the information on the construction of the batteries
and how that affects cycle life.
Cheers-
Daniel


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On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Daniel Tittmann 
wrote:

> I am reaching out to the group to see if there is any experience with GS
> batteries.  Their cycle life graph is better than I have seen in any VRLA
> battery I have seen (see comparison below).  I wanted to know if anyone on
> here has used them and if so have you experienced the cycle life that they
> are reporting.  I am waiting for a reply from the manufacturer for more
> info as well.
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> as comparison:
>  Rolls gel cell cycle life is more classic to what we see in most batteries
> http://www.rollsbattery.com/wp-content/uploads/batteries/S2-1070GEL.pdf
> [image: Inline image 3]
>
> or Full river DC400-6
> http://www.fullriverbattery.com/product/batteries/DC400-6
> [image: Inline image 1]
> What am i missing or how do they do this?
> thanks
> Daniel
>
> Daniel Tittmann
> CTO
> Greenwired
> www.greenwired.com
> dan...@greenwired.com
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> 707-206-5088 <(707)%20206-5088> (Cell)
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GS battery use?

2018-01-04 Thread Steve Higgins 
Hadn't seen the spec sheet of the GS battery... thanks.

It's a Carbon battery with a Carbon additive to the negative plate.
Generally and this of course depends on the manufacturer when you add
carbon to the neg anode (plate) it increases the cycle life, and charge
acceptance of the battery. It also makes it more resistive to hardened
sulfation situations.

The drawback, at least from what Rolls has found is when you do this you
also increase the self discharge rate of the battery, they don't show this
on their spec sheet...

Rolls has been working on a carbon based battery for some time now, at
least longer than I've been there... Eng, says they are still working the
kinks out and finishing testing.   We typically don't beta test product on
customers.   The draw back on that is we can be behind the new product
release curve!

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Daniel Tittmann 
wrote:

> forgot to include the link to the GS batteries.
>
> http://www.gsbattery.com/PDFs/SLR1000-2.pdf
>
> Thank you Steve for the information on the construction of the batteries
> and how that affects cycle life.
> Cheers-
> Daniel
>
>
> Daniel Tittmann
> CTO
> Greenwired
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> dan...@greenwired.com
> 707-923-2001 Ext. 500 (office)
> 707-206-5088 (Cell)
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Daniel Tittmann 
> wrote:
>
> > I am reaching out to the group to see if there is any experience with GS
> > batteries.  Their cycle life graph is better than I have seen in any VRLA
> > battery I have seen (see comparison below).  I wanted to know if anyone
> on
> > here has used them and if so have you experienced the cycle life that
> they
> > are reporting.  I am waiting for a reply from the manufacturer for more
> > info as well.
> >
> > [image: Inline image 2]
> >
> > as comparison:
> >  Rolls gel cell cycle life is more classic to what we see in most
> batteries
> > http://www.rollsbattery.com/wp-content/uploads/batteries/S2-1070GEL.pdf
> > [image: Inline image 3]
> >
> > or Full river DC400-6
> > http://www.fullriverbattery.com/product/batteries/DC400-6
> > [image: Inline image 1]
> > What am i missing or how do they do this?
> > thanks
> > Daniel
> >
> > Daniel Tittmann
> > CTO
> > Greenwired
> > www.greenwired.com
> > dan...@greenwired.com
> > 707-923-2001 Ext. 500 <(707)%20923-2001> (office)
> > 707-206-5088 <(707)%20206-5088> (Cell)
> >
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Re: [RE-wrenches] GS battery use?

2018-01-04 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
I have 2 systems on my hill here that have the Trojan Smart carbon and the
regular Trojan. They both are flooded 2V 1100 AH batteries and I see, and
my clients see no difference. The both are about 6 years old. They both
have the ridiculously stupid 3 ports for each 2V to water. I did not spec
this battery and wanted Surrette but.

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> Hadn't seen the spec sheet of the GS battery... thanks.
>
> It's a Carbon battery with a Carbon additive to the negative plate.
> Generally and this of course depends on the manufacturer when you add
> carbon to the neg anode (plate) it increases the cycle life, and charge
> acceptance of the battery. It also makes it more resistive to hardened
> sulfation situations.
>
> The drawback, at least from what Rolls has found is when you do this you
> also increase the self discharge rate of the battery, they don't show this
> on their spec sheet...
>
> Rolls has been working on a carbon based battery for some time now, at
> least longer than I've been there... Eng, says they are still working the
> kinks out and finishing testing.   We typically don't beta test product on
> customers.   The draw back on that is we can be behind the new product
> release curve!
>
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> Steve Higgins ⋅ Technical Services Manager
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> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Daniel Tittmann 
> wrote:
>
>> forgot to include the link to the GS batteries.
>>
>> http://www.gsbattery.com/PDFs/SLR1000-2.pdf
>>
>> Thank you Steve for the information on the construction of the batteries
>> and how that affects cycle life.
>> Cheers-
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> Daniel Tittmann
>> CTO
>> Greenwired
>> www.greenwired.com
>> dan...@greenwired.com
>> 707-923-2001 Ext. 500 (office)
>> 707-206-5088 (Cell)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Daniel Tittmann 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I am reaching out to the group to see if there is any experience with
>> GS
>> > batteries.  Their cycle life graph is better than I have seen in any
>> VRLA
>> > battery I have seen (see comparison below).  I wanted to know if
>> anyone
>> on
>> > here has used them and if so have you experienced the cycle life that
>> they
>> > are reporting.  I am waiting for a reply from the manufacturer for
>> more
>> > info as well.
>> >
>> > [image: Inline image 2]
>> >
>> > as comparison:
>> >  Rolls gel cell cycle life is more classic to what we see in most
>> batteries
>> > http://www.rollsbattery.com/wp-content/uploads/batteries/S2-1070GEL.pdf
>> > [image: Inline image 3]
>> >
>> > or Full river DC400-6
>> > http://www.fullriverbattery.com/product/batteries/DC400-6
>> > [image: Inline image 1]
>> > What am i missing or how do they do this?
>> > thanks
>> > Daniel
>> >
>> > Daniel Tittmann
>> > CTO
>> > Greenwired
>> > www.greenwired.com
>> > dan...@greenwired.com
>> > 707-923-2001 Ext. 500 <(707)%20923-2001> (office)
>> > 707-206-5088 <(707)%20206-5088> (Cell)
>> >
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[RE-wrenches] blue planet batteries

2018-01-04 Thread jay 
While we are talking about batteries,

Does anyone have any experience with the Blueplanet lithium for off grid? 

Do they communicate with the inverter system is a big question?

thx
jay

peltz power
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Re: [RE-wrenches] blue planet batteries

2018-01-04 Thread jerrysgarage01 


JayOur office has done research on quit a gew batteries, the Blue Ion Blue 
Planets battery has been very good in our testing. Feel free to talk off 
listJerry


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Date: 1/4/18  8:35 AM  (GMT-10:00) 
To: RE-wrenches  
Subject: [RE-wrenches] blue planet batteries 

While we are talking about batteries,

Does anyone have any experience with the Blueplanet lithium for off grid? 

Do they communicate with the inverter system is a big question?

thx
jay

peltz power
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Re: [RE-wrenches] blue planet batteries

2018-01-04 Thread jerrysgarage01 


JayNo there is no communication between the battery BMS and the inverterJerry


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Date: 1/4/18  8:35 AM  (GMT-10:00) 
To: RE-wrenches  
Subject: [RE-wrenches] blue planet batteries 

While we are talking about batteries,

Does anyone have any experience with the Blueplanet lithium for off grid? 

Do they communicate with the inverter system is a big question?

thx
jay

peltz power
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Re: [RE-wrenches] blue planet batteries

2018-01-04 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
I almost became a dealer They wanted me to deal with sales tax and I
like being able to decide that with AEE and Soligent.
They do not communicate directly with the inverter/charger/Mppt. They
appear robust enough to not need to. They work with anyone's existing
system.
They do have an App that gets you the SOC data. I did not see anything for
SOL though. I could have missed that.
They are not reasonably priced at this time in my opinion. I do like the
30LB blocks to build a 200+ LB enclosure. No heavy lifting.
There is the, will they be there down the road? I like the SOC getting out
to my Outback and Schneider systems to the web portals and this won't do
it, yet.

Staying too dry here for January! You Jay?

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> While we are talking about batteries,
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Blueplanet lithium for off grid?
>
> Do they communicate with the inverter system is a big question?
>
> thx
> jay
>
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Re: [RE-wrenches] blue planet batteries

2018-01-04 Thread Kirpal 
JayWe have done a couple of Blue Planet battery banks and are very
pleased with the results as are our cutomers. We have a couple more on the
books for the next couple months.  They don't communicate with the inverter
but they are fully monitor -able via the web and smart phone app or web
browser.  They are easy to install, an easy company to deal with and we
plan to keep using them.  Both of the jobs we have installed them on are
Outback based inverters (one Radian and one FX)
If they live up to their ratings it will be the last battery bank some of
our customers will ever install.


Sunny Regards,
Kirpal Khalsa
Oregon LRT#25
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
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On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 1:12 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <
offgridso...@sti.net> wrote:

> I almost became a dealer They wanted me to deal with sales tax and I
> like being able to decide that with AEE and Soligent.
> They do not communicate directly with the inverter/charger/Mppt. They
> appear robust enough to not need to. They work with anyone's existing
> system.
> They do have an App that gets you the SOC data. I did not see anything for
> SOL though. I could have missed that.
> They are not reasonably priced at this time in my opinion. I do like the
> 30LB blocks to build a 200+ LB enclosure. No heavy lifting.
> There is the, will they be there down the road? I like the SOC getting out
> to my Outback and Schneider systems to the web portals and this won't do
> it, yet.
>
> Staying too dry here for January! You Jay?
>
> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
> "we go where powerlines don't"
> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
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> text 209 813 0060
>
>
> > While we are talking about batteries,
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with the Blueplanet lithium for off grid?
> >
> > Do they communicate with the inverter system is a big question?
> >
> > thx
> > jay
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