[RE-wrenches] AC Coupled Enphase

[Drake]

Hello Wrenches,

I am going to AC couple some Enphase inverters and found some really 
nice solid state, single pole relays to control them with. Enphase 
says I must use 2 pole relays for the control current even though the 
disconnects will turn off all power for maintenance.


Enphase claims that the inverters will not shut down reliably with 
only one line opened. This does not make sense to me in view of UL 
1741. Is Enphase correct in their claim, or are there other reasons 
that both poles need to be opened


I want to use the solid state relays because the coil voltage is 
between 3 and 32 volts. This would avoid the need to add voltage 
dropping series resistors to protect the coil for higher battery voltages.


Alternatively, does anyone know of reasonably priced, 2 pole solid 
state relays?


Thanks,

Drake


Drake Chamberlin
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Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupled Enphase

[James Jefferson Jarvis]

On 8/28/2017 8:44 AM, Drake wrote:

Alternatively, does anyone know of reasonably priced, 2 pole solid state
relays?


Just use two single pole SSRs. One for each leg. There are two pole SSR, 
but the price is not going to be bargain basement.


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Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupled Enphase

[Nick Soleil]

You can use a one-pole relay.  We show one-pole switching in our zero-export, 
self-consumption doc for PEL applications.

Nick Soleil
Field Application Engineer
Enphase Energy
Cell: 707-321-2937

On Aug 28, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Drake 
mailto:drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org>>
 wrote:

Hello Wrenches,

I am going to AC couple some Enphase inverters and found some really nice solid 
state, single pole relays to control them with. Enphase says I must use 2 pole 
relays for the control current even though the disconnects will turn off all 
power for maintenance.

Enphase claims that the inverters will not shut down reliably with only one 
line opened. This does not make sense to me in view of UL 1741. Is Enphase 
correct in their claim, or are there other reasons that both poles need to be 
opened

I want to use the solid state relays because the coil voltage is between 3 and 
32 volts. This would avoid the need to add voltage dropping series resistors to 
protect the coil for higher battery voltages.

Alternatively, does anyone know of reasonably priced, 2 pole solid state relays?

Thanks,

Drake


Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV
740-448-7328

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Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupled Enphase

[Drake]

Hi Nick,

That is very good news. I just hit the wall trying to find 2 pole 
solid state N/C relays.  I was trying to decide whether to go back to 
mechanical or buy double the amount of single pole relays.


Thanks,

Drake

At 11:20 AM 8/28/2017, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
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boundary="_000_56449940CA694DDAABB811FCC45A2070enphaseenergycom_"

You can use a one-pole relay.  We show one-pole switching in our 
zero-export, self-consumption doc for PEL applications.


Nick Soleil
Field Application Engineer
Enphase Energy
Cell: 707-321-2937

On Aug 28, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Drake 
<drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org> 
wrote:



Hello Wrenches,

I am going to AC couple some Enphase inverters and found some 
really nice solid state, single pole relays to control them with. 
Enphase says I must use 2 pole relays for the control current even 
though the disconnects will turn off all power for maintenance.


Enphase claims that the inverters will not shut down reliably with 
only one line opened. This does not make sense to me in view of UL 
1741. Is Enphase correct in their claim, or are there other reasons 
that both poles need to be opened


I want to use the solid state relays because the coil voltage is 
between 3 and 32 volts. This would avoid the need to add voltage 
dropping series resistors to protect the coil for higher battery voltages.


Alternatively, does anyone know of reasonably priced, 2 pole solid 
state relays?


Thanks,

Drake


Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV
740-448-7328

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[RE-wrenches] PG&E Net metering Vs Smart Meters

[William Miller]

Dear Wrenches:



Here in PG&E territory we have a unique situation:  In the early days of
net metering the PG&E accounts were handled regionally.  In the early
2000s, this was all transferred to corporate in San Francisco.  In the
process PG&E lost many files.  Over the years I have had eight or so
customers come to me to seek assistance renegotiating a contract that did
exist but PG&E has no record of.



This usually happens as a result of installation of a SMART meter.  The old
mechanical meters gave customers credit whether or not the account was in
place for interconnection.  The SMART meters will not give credit unless
the account is programmed to do so.



It was my understanding that a PG&E smart meter, without being associated
with a Net Metering account, would charge a customer for the energy
exported to the grid.  PG&E is telling me that is not true.  This makes a
difference when calculating credits for these customers when signing them
back up to net meter.



Does anyone have any information on how the PG&E smart meters handle this
scenario.



By the way, I have developed a modest expertise and some contacts to help
me deal with utilities in these situations.  I can offer to assist if
anyone wants.  Contact me off-line.



Thanks in advance,



William



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[RE-wrenches] Fluke 337 DC Clamp meter vs Outback

[Foxfire Energy]

My fluke 337 DC clamp meter is consistently reading about 10 A less than what 
I'm seeing on the flex max and Mate3.. Outback tells me my fluke is lame.. Bad 
sushi?

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fluke 337 DC Clamp meter vs Outback

[Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar]

Looks like you need a 2nd meter to test the sushi...  --Dave


Dave Foxfire EnergyDave
> My fluke 337 DC clamp meter is consistently reading about 10 A less than
> what I'm seeing on the flex max and Mate3.. Outback tells me my fluke is
> lame.. Bad sushi?
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[RE-wrenches] Schletter S3 Rails engineering specs or tech data sheet?

[Howard Arey]

Hello Wrenches.

 

We have a BI who wants to see the spec sheet for the S3 rails we have used
on one of our solar pergola structures.

 

Trying to contact Schletter to obtain but.does anybody have a tech data
sheet or tech reference for this rail.

 

Howard "Scot" Arey

254-300-1228

scot.a...@solarcentex.com  

 



 

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fluke 337 DC Clamp meter vs Outback

[Jay]

Hi Dan

You can use the shunt MV reading via say fluke 87 to double check the amps that 
your clamp on is reading. 

Jay

> On Aug 28, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like you need a 2nd meter to test the sushi...  --Dave
> 
> 
> Dave Foxfire EnergyDave
>> My fluke 337 DC clamp meter is consistently reading about 10 A less than
>> what I'm seeing on the flex max and Mate3.. Outback tells me my fluke is
>> lame.. Bad sushi?
>> 
>> Dan Brown
>> Foxfire Energy Corp.
>> (802)-483-2564
>> www.Foxfire-Energy.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fluke 337 DC Clamp meter vs Outback

[Dana]

When or have you ever had it recalibrated esp. if it has a few miles on it?
I was getting floating readings  & I sent my 25 year old fluke in a few years 
ago & definitely saw more accurate readings and the floaties went away.


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Subject: [RE-wrenches] Fluke 337 DC Clamp meter vs Outback

My fluke 337 DC clamp meter is consistently reading about 10 A less than what 
I'm seeing on the flex max and Mate3.. Outback tells me my fluke is lame.. Bad 
sushi?

Dan Brown 
Foxfire Energy Corp.
(802)-483-2564
www.Foxfire-Energy.com
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Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupled Enphase

[Drake]

Hi Nick,

I should mention that the inverters being AC coupled are M-250s, not 
the new IQ series. Would that make any difference?


Thanks,


Drake


At 03:12 PM 8/28/2017, Drake wrote:

Hi Nick,


At 11:20 AM 8/28/2017, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
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boundary="_000_56449940CA694DDAABB811FCC45A2070enphaseenergycom_"

You can use a one-pole relay.  We show one-pole switching in our 
zero-export, self-consumption doc for PEL applications.


Nick Soleil
Field Application Engineer
Enphase Energy
Cell: 707-321-2937

On Aug 28, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Drake 
< 
drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org> wrote:



Hello Wrenches,

I am going to AC couple some Enphase inverters and found some 
really nice solid state, single pole relays to control them with. 
Enphase says I must use 2 pole relays for the control current even 
though the disconnects will turn off all power for maintenance.


Enphase claims that the inverters will not shut down reliably with 
only one line opened. This does not make sense to me in view of UL 
1741. Is Enphase correct in their claim, or are there other 
reasons that both poles need to be opened


I want to use the solid state relays because the coil voltage is 
between 3 and 32 volts. This would avoid the need to add voltage 
dropping series resistors to protect the coil for higher battery voltages.


Alternatively, does anyone know of reasonably priced, 2 pole solid 
state relays?


Thanks,

Drake


Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV
740-448-7328

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Re: [RE-wrenches] Fluke 337 DC Clamp meter vs Outback

[Drake]

Some years ago I was talking to Outback Tech support and mentioned 
major discrepancies in voltage readings from a Mate. The support lady 
laughed and said that the meters on the Outback weren't accurate.


At 04:48 PM 8/28/2017, you wrote:
My fluke 337 DC clamp meter is consistently reading about 10 A less 
than what I'm seeing on the flex max and Mate3.. Outback tells me my 
fluke is lame.. Bad sushi?


Dan Brown
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Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupled Enphase

[Nick Soleil]

The one-pole relay will work for de-energizing any of the Enphase 
microinverters.

Nick Soleil
Field Application Engineer
Enphase Energy
Cell: 707-321-2937

On Aug 28, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Drake 
mailto:drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org>>
 wrote:

Hi Nick,

I should mention that the inverters being AC coupled are M-250s, not the new IQ 
series. Would that make any difference?

Thanks,


Drake


At 03:12 PM 8/28/2017, Drake wrote:
Hi Nick,


At 11:20 AM 8/28/2017, you wrote:
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="_000_56449940CA694DDAABB811FCC45A2070enphaseenergycom_"

You can use a one-pole relay.  We show one-pole switching in our zero-export, 
self-consumption doc for PEL applications.

Nick Soleil
Field Application Engineer
Enphase Energy
Cell: 707-321-2937

On Aug 28, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Drake < 
drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org>
 wrote:

Hello Wrenches,

I am going to AC couple some Enphase inverters and found some really nice solid 
state, single pole relays to control them with. Enphase says I must use 2 pole 
relays for the control current even though the disconnects will turn off all 
power for maintenance.

Enphase claims that the inverters will not shut down reliably with only one 
line opened. This does not make sense to me in view of UL 1741. Is Enphase 
correct in their claim, or are there other reasons that both poles need to be 
opened

I want to use the solid state relays because the coil voltage is between 3 and 
32 volts. This would avoid the need to add voltage dropping series resistors to 
protect the coil for higher battery voltages.

Alternatively, does anyone know of reasonably priced, 2 pole solid state relays?

Thanks,

Drake


Drake Chamberlin
Athens Electric LLC
OH License 44810
CO License 3773
NABCEP Certified Solar PV
740-448-7328

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[RE-wrenches] SolarEdge tech help

[Jeremy Rodriguez]

Does anyone have a dealer only phone number to reach SolarEdge tech support?


Jeremy Rodriguez 
Solar Installation And 
Design Expert 
All Solar, Inc.
1463 M St
Penrose Colorado 81240

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