[RBW] Re: FS: Another Parts Garage Sale - Phil Wood, Nitto, Sackville, Compass, and more

[dane...@gmail.com]

hey Ill take the Paul silver front hub and the s65 post if its silver... 
dont think i saw it in the pictures. Thanks.

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 4:54:35 PM UTC-5 B Young wrote:

>
> Hey Y'all,
> I'm cleaning out my garage and have lots of stuff for sale. Prices do not 
> include shipping so if you're interested in anything just let me know your 
> address and I'll let you know what it will be (actual shipping cost rounded 
> down). 
>
> Photos:
> https://share.icloud.com/photos/071NsImwodKXoax4gh_Aq2e7Q
>
>
> *Racks and Bags:*
>
> Nitto Campee Rear Rack - 175
>
> Nitto Campee Front Rack - 250
>
> Rivendell Sackville Hub Area Bags: Panniers - 200
>
> Red Vintage Panniers - 45
>
>
> *Wheels, Hubs:*
>
> 650b Phil Wood / Synergy Wheelset 36h - 450
>
> 700c Phil Wood 36h / Mavic MA40 front wheel - 100
>
> Paul Polished Front Hub 32H - 100
>
> Paul Silver front Hub 32H - 80
>
> Green Box Olfmega 120/36h Hubs with Skewers - NOS - 100
>
>
> *Tires, Fenders:*
>
> RH / Compass Tires - Bon Jon Pass El - New -125
>
> RH / Compass Tires - Switchback Hill EL - New - 125
>
> RH / Compass Tires - 650b Babyshoe Pass EL - New -125
>
> Zaffiro 700cx25 - 40
>
> Fatty Rumpkin 650bx41.5 - 40
>
> Honjo Fenders 700c H35 - New - 50
>
> Honjo Fenders 700c H40 - New - 50
>
>
> *Other Stuff:*
>
> Campagnolo Seat Post 25.8 - NOS in Box - 200
>
> Dia Compe AC 500 brakes - 30
>
> Mafac Levers with White Half Hoods - NOS - 50
>
> Silver Shifters on Shimano Bar Ends - 50
>
> 3ttt Forma SL Ergopower handlebar - 45
>
> Nitto Deluxe 26.0 Stem- 100cm - 40
>
> Nitto S65 Seat Post - 40
>
> TA Crankset 170 54/42 - 50
>
> Dura Ace Crankset 170 52/39 French Thread - 100
>
> Pedals Gripking - 40
>
> Pedals Look - 10
>
> Sunlite brake levers -10
>
> Reaction Gold Yokozuna Cable Kit - 60
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rosco Platypus 50cm Purple

[dane...@gmail.com]

You guys weren't wrong! Will sent me a photo of a complete demo they are 
selling. 

-Dan

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:48:30 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I guess the odds are that Rivendell is completely sold out but I have 
> always learned to call and ask. I have gotten all kinds of sold out stuff 
> from them because they "didn't know they had it" or "forgot to list it"
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:59:18 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>
>> About $400. (+ what Joe said)
>>
>> I ended up buying a regular/swoopy Platy but it was the Rosco (and its 
>> price) that first got me thinking about the possibilities of a Riv 
>> step-through.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:56:23 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What’s the diff between the Platy and Rosco Platy ?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 2:46 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also of anybody wants the 55 Mermaid Rosco Platy prototype it may still 
>>>> be there. I thought Riv was going to post it for sale but I've never seen 
>>>> it..call em up! 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:44:02 PM UTC-8 cjus...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Regarding end of year stock:  They were restocked on the site at end 
>>>>> of year with a limited amount and have all sold.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding Crust:  I think they just have the Platy in stock, not the 
>>>>> Rosco Platy.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-6 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Crust has all sizes right now. You don’t even have to pay twice for 
>>>>>> shipping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 5:23 AM Johnny Alien  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe you should call and ask Rivendell. They said at the end of the 
>>>>>>> year that they had some back stock of all sizes and colors of the Rosco 
>>>>>>> Platy. Its not listed on the site though. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:59:31 AM UTC-5 dane...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Curious if anyone here might have one they are looking to sell?  
>>>>>>>> Could be a frameset or possibly a complete.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> -Dan
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rosco Platypus 50cm Purple

[dane...@gmail.com]

Hey!

Actually, I didn't buy it as I'm really just lookin for a frame set not a 
complete bike.  Someone on the list does have one they are willing to sell 
and I'm thinking it over right now.  Thanks for the help guys.

-Dan
Jersey

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:53:29 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I believe its gone because Dan bought it.
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:06:24 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Call Riv...you might get lucky
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/riv-garage-sale?mc_cid=8b1b264f50&mc_eid=0074b52ae1
>>
>> Oops...sorry looks like it's gone
>>
>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 4:19:28 PM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> For other Rosco Platypus seekers, this looks like a great deal for a 
>>> 60cm purple: 
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/60cm-rosco-platy-demo-bike
>>>
>>> Max
>>> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 3:22:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice! Is it the 55 I mentioned or did you find a 50? 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 7:22:33 AM UTC-8 dane...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You guys weren't wrong! Will sent me a photo of a complete demo they 
>>>>> are selling. 
>>>>>
>>>>> -Dan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:48:30 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess the odds are that Rivendell is completely sold out but I have 
>>>>>> always learned to call and ask. I have gotten all kinds of sold out 
>>>>>> stuff 
>>>>>> from them because they "didn't know they had it" or "forgot to list it"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:59:18 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About $400. (+ what Joe said)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ended up buying a regular/swoopy Platy but it was the Rosco (and 
>>>>>>> its price) that first got me thinking about the possibilities of a Riv 
>>>>>>> step-through.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:56:23 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What’s the diff between the Platy and Rosco Platy ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 2:46 PM Joe Bernard  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also of anybody wants the 55 Mermaid Rosco Platy prototype it may 
>>>>>>>>> still be there. I thought Riv was going to post it for sale but I've 
>>>>>>>>> never 
>>>>>>>>> seen it..call em up! 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:44:02 PM UTC-8 cjus...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regarding end of year stock:  They were restocked on the site at 
>>>>>>>>>> end of year with a limited amount and have all sold.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regarding Crust:  I think they just have the Platy in stock, not 
>>>>>>>>>> the Rosco Platy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-6 
>>>>>>>>>> eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Crust has all sizes right now. You don’t even have to pay twice 
>>>>>>>>>>> for shipping.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 5:23 AM Johnny Alien <
>>>>>>>>>>> johnny@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you should call and ask Rivendell. They said at the end 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the year that they had some back stock of all sizes and colors 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosco Platy. Its not listed on the site though. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>&

[RBW] Re: Roaduno catnip

[dane...@gmail.com]

It seems this bike will be stickin with the longer chain stay/longer front 
end for swept bars style of things.  Has anyone ridden that type of 
Rivendell single speed often?  I'm curious what it feels like to do a lot 
of out of the saddle climbing in a hilly area.  

On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:00:56 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Keep in mind that, at some point after Grant revealed that purple/orange 
> one, Will said that it was basically irrelevant because they were making so 
> many changes.  
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:23:26 PM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you Doug. I think that was the only blug post that I didn't look at 
>> the other day.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I want one with Bullmoose bars and cantilevers, in purple of course. 
>>> Need is a different matter...
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:03:07 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 John,
 There is one on the linked blog below. You'll need to scroll a bit to 
 find the photo. Note that the fork is mismatched. 
 Blog 
 
 Doug
 On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:50:53 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Does any one have a link to a picture of a fully built Roaduno? I was 
> looking for one the other day and the closest I could find was the pics 
> of 
> the three frames without paint. 
>
> Thanks!
> JohnS
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 mark e wrote:
>
>> I am excited to see the Uno in purple. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> From Will's email update today:
>>> September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and dark 
>>> gold).
>>>
>>> That's good news!
>>>
>>> Roaduno dreaming,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno catnip

[dane...@gmail.com]

Nice. Cool bike.

-Dan
NJ

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:00:14 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Depends on your body proportions. I have a long torso so my long bikes do 
> not have swept back bars. My main ride last year was a Rivendell Mystery 
> Bike single speed[image: EG2s.jpg], but as you can see in the photo - 
> hills are pretty non-existent here.
>
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5 dane...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems this bike will be stickin with the longer chain stay/longer 
>> front end for swept bars style of things.  Has anyone ridden that type of 
>> Rivendell single speed often?  I'm curious what it feels like to do a lot 
>> of out of the saddle climbing in a hilly area.  
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:00:56 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Keep in mind that, at some point after Grant revealed that purple/orange 
>>> one, Will said that it was basically irrelevant because they were making so 
>>> many changes.  
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:23:26 PM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Doug. I think that was the only blug post that I didn't look 
>>>> at the other day.
>>>>
>>>> JohnS
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I want one with Bullmoose bars and cantilevers, in purple of course. 
>>>>> Need is a different matter...
>>>>>
>>>>> Laing
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:03:07 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>> There is one on the linked blog below. You'll need to scroll a bit to 
>>>>>> find the photo. Note that the fork is mismatched. 
>>>>>> Blog 
>>>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/done-done-wrong-proably-still-doing-wrong>
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:50:53 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does any one have a link to a picture of a fully built Roaduno? I 
>>>>>>> was looking for one the other day and the closest I could find was the 
>>>>>>> pics 
>>>>>>> of the three frames without paint. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> JohnS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 mark e wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am excited to see the Uno in purple. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From Will's email update today:
>>>>>>>>> September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and 
>>>>>>>>> dark gold).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's good news!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roaduno dreaming,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Edwin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are for you buying one?

[dane...@gmail.com]

Hmm... I live somewhere hilly (Vermont) and ride my roadini on everything 
granted the pads on the 559s on the roadini are high in the slot nd i 
swapped out for Kool Stops.  Not arguing that they are the most powerful 
brakes ever but they seem to do the job.

-Dan

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:51:24 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> A Paul Racer (or other centerpull) could be used on a RoadUno (or Homer, 
> Roadini, etc.), you'd just need to add cable hangers at the headset/stem 
> and seat binder bolt.
>
> My primary road bike is a Malocchio with 559s and fenders. I also have a 
> Pescadero with maxed out GC610 centerpulls. I've had these bikes setup with 
> the same fenders, wheels, and tires (moved most of the parts from the 
> Pescadero to the Malocchio frame when I got it). Breaking performance 
> between the two setups seems about the same to me and has been perfectly 
> adequate even when caught in a downpour on the 559s, but (1) I'm fairly 
> light and live in an area with rolling hills and (2) the 559s are not maxed 
> out on the front of the Malocchio.
>
> Riv says the RoadUno takes 46mm without a fender and 43mm with - maybe 
> they haven't actually set one up with 43s and 559s but that doesn't sound 
> problematic to me and my experience with 559s and fenders hasn't been 
> problematic.
>
> I like the RoadUno and am looking forward to seeing the builds, but am not 
> planning on getting one. My RoadUno proxy is a Handsome Devil with 38s, 
> fenders, and cantilevers, built up this spring and soon to be converted to 
> 3x1. It also brakes fine.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 9:37:02 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Is the Paul Racer not an option on these bikes?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to write it down to see if I'm the only one who thinks the 
>> following:
>>
>>
>>
>> (i) I'm glad the Tektro 559s are available. Even with the pads all the 
>> way down, they allow "OK" braking even with the factory pads. I'm not sure 
>> I'd be happy if I lived where it's hilly.
>>
>> (ii) Fenders are problematic because the 559s provide obstacles much 
>> lower than the brake bridge/fork crown. 
>> Notably, there's a spring sticking down; the silver Roaduno pictures show 
>> that clearly.
>>
>> (iii) Braking is better with Cantis, much better with V brakes. Overall I 
>> prefer cantilever, for the versatility. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 7:14:51 AM UTC-4 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> For sure, I was in the hunq camp, but I get why a slightly lighter 
>>> weight option makes sense.  I would have been happy with a SS Hillborne as 
>>> canti’s would have allowed for just a little bit more tire/fender 
>>> clearance, I was still tempted when I saw that 650b was the wheel size for 
>>> my size frame as that’d be different than what I have, but the LR brakes 
>>> kill it for me. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 It's clear lots of people wanted a single speed Appaloosa or a single 
 speed Hunqapillar.  It's natural for those people to be sad that Rivendell 
 offered a single speed A. Homer Hilsen instead. Those who wanted a single 
 speed A Homer Hilsen are presumably pleased.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



 On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Another Riv that excited me until the inexplicable change to sidepulls.
>
> I think I know why Riv has done this twice now but damn it is annoying.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[dane...@gmail.com]

Why the recommendation to not ride it fixed by Grant? "Too risky." lol.

-Dan

On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 5:57:24 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The OP anticipated a buying frenzy, but that clearly hasn't happened in 
> week 1 of the pre-sale.  I hope that turns out to be a good thing, and 
> gives people the chance to really think about it and decide calmly rather 
> than panic-buying with a huge fear of missing out.  Now that the real 
> Geo-Chart is out, the 54.5 Roaduno looks a lot better to me than the 54.5 
> Hilsen had looked.  Still, if you wanted to give me one for free, the one 
> I'd pick would probably be a Silver 58 Complete.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 5:05:40 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> As much as I enjoy single speed riding I don't plan to buy a Roaduno 
>> today. I think the Silver with all black components would be so nice. Good 
>> luck to all who plan to buy! Keep your fingers on your keyboard.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:06:56 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
>>> above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
>>> getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
>>> delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
>>> you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
>>> only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around. 
>>>  
>>
>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
 silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  

 I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
 headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
 now, and I endorse it.  

 I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
 instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
 Silver 
 cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
 the 
 East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>
 Sent from my iPhone
>

> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
> I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Five Great Temples Tour-Kyoto, Japan

[dane...@gmail.com]

Looks awesome!  I was supposed to take a bike trip out in Japan.  Got 
really cheap tickets about 5 months before covid hit.  Was supposed to go 
may 2020 and then everything got cancelled.  Hope to get the opportunity 
again.  Looks like a sick place to ride.  

-Dan
Jerz

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-4 Tim Baldwin wrote:

>
>- Looks so dreamy. A cycle tour in Japan  is on my bucket list.
>
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 2:48:59 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great photos.  Beautiful destinations for a ride.
>>
>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:28:46 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely. Traditional Japanese architecture, and culture generally, is a 
>>> high-point among Asian cultures, IMO.
>>>
>>> Patrick "half Asian myself" Moore
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 6:14 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 Kyoto is a modern city built over, squeezed between, and overflowing 
 from a rich and ancient history of streets, neighborhoods and temples. I 
 took my bike to Kyoto a few weeks back to do two rides: A Midnight Meander 
 and a 5 Great Temple Tour.

 I'm no historian or a Buddhist scholar, but I did like the idea of 
 riding the '5 mountains' of Kyoto. The '5 mountains' refers to a system of 
 Buddhist temples that have held great significance politically and 
 spiritually throughout Japan's history. There are corresponding 
 'mountains' 
 in Kamakura, not far from where I live, that I'll make a tour of one day 
 soon. 

 While I did stroll through some of these temples to admire the 
 architecture and craftsmanship that is so uniquely Japanese, to wander the 
 exquisite gardens, and contemplate the *karesansui * (the dry, stone 
 gardens) during my week in Kyoto, this morning bicycle ride was more about 
 passing through each of the 5 Great Temple grounds in the crisp, Spring 
 morning air before streets filled with cars.

 At each temple I took a photo of the *sanmon* gate and the *dharma* 
 hall. 

 Here are a few photos:
 [image: Tenryu-ji.jpeg][image: Nanzen-ji.jpeg][image: 
 Kennin-ji.jpeg][image: 
 Shokoku-ji.jpeg][image: Tofuku-ji.jpeg]

 Here's a link to my gaiagps track with more photos for the keeners 
 among you. 

 Five Great Temples of Kyoto 
 

 Cheers, John

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[RBW] Sweepy bars, stem length, and climbing out of the saddle

[dane...@gmail.com]

Hey guys.

I have a longer reach bike with swept back (Velo Orange Granola Bars) and 
currently messing with stem length.  Started with a 110mm which puts the 
grips ahead of the head tube.  Standing climbing in that widest, farthest 
back position feels normal.  When switching to a 90mm stem (110 feels a 
little long for these bars) the grips come back behind the head tube a bit. 
 I always feel that climbing standing up, steeper hills especially (I 
mostly ride single speed and fixed) starts to feel a little weird once the 
grips start creeping behind the head tube.  I was thinking about trying the 
 riv billie bars also I know these come back quite a bit farther.  I assume 
a lot of you have a lot of experience with these kind of upright bars 
(albatross/bosco/billie/etc.) and wondering what your experience is with 
grips wayyy back behind head tube and bike handling specifically climbing? 
Thanks.

- Dan
New Jerz

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird sideways tilt on a brooks professional...any guesses?

[dane...@gmail.com]

Hey!

I have a leg length discrepancy of about 10-15mm.  Ive tried different 
things but im currently riding a 165mm crank for my shorter leg and a 177mm 
crank for my longer leg (Rene Herse Cranks).  Ive only experimented with 
this on one bike which I ride clipless.  I also always have the saddle 
problem with a tilt or one side of the leather having a much bigger dent 
from the sit bone than the other.   I notice if I ride with the same length 
cranks and flat pedals I always pedal almost mid foot position on the 
longer leg and more ball of foot on the shorter leg.  Which is my bodies 
attempt at correcting the issue.  My discrepancy is in my femur from an 
accident when I was younger. 

-Dan 
New Jeruz

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:39:13 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What Benz said. I use flat pedals and running shoes and drop the saddle 
> low enough to match my short leg so I don't have any input on fixing the 
> issue. My saddles get sideways and I keep riding!
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 12:02:45 PM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
> CA wrote:
>
>> I'm not Joe, and I don't have legs asymmetrical enough to require action; 
>> but I've seen people get fitted with spacers in between shoe and cleat, to 
>> make up length for the shorter leg. Obviously, this will require clipless 
>> pedals and I don't know if your dad rides with them.
>>
>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 11:56:25 AM UTC-7 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> This is good info. One of his legs is longer than the other so I could 
>>> see how that could add a tilt to a saddle. Joe, do you have any fit 
>>> suggestions for different length legs? 
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 1:38:43 PM UTC-5 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 HI,
 Well used Brooks Saddles are never symmetrical and perfectly flat 
 across the top.

 On Sep 18, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:


 I think you're right about improper saddle height, which is leading to 
 the exaggerated tilt to the leather (I don't think it's the rails) and his 
 numb foot. I have a slightly shorter left leg and my saddles get a lesser 
 version of this tilt as well; what I think is happening is your dad is 
 stretching too far to get his right foot on the pedal which is causing 
 both 
 problems. 
 On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 10:55:18 AM UTC-7 Andrew Turner wrote:

> So I was installing wider tires on my dad's Rambouillet and I noticed 
> his saddle had a really wonky sideways tilt to it. And then I remembered 
> him telling me on multiple occasions that one foot would always go numb 
> on 
> him after a few miles, but I always marked it up to improper saddle 
> height. 
> That is until now. I'm thinking this is what's causing it. Below's a 
> photo 
> of what I'm seeing: 
>
> [image: 2020-09-18.jpg]
>
> It looks worse in real life. Has anyone experienced this? 
> Most of the bike's life is spent hanging up as you see below, which 
> does put pressure on the tension bolt of the saddle but is it enough to 
> really bend the rails that much? 
>
> [image: 2020-09-18 (1).jpg]
>
> Really just interested in any ideas or if this isn't the first time 
> someone has seen this, maybe his rump is also just a little crooked! 
>
> Cheers, 
> Andrew
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[dane...@gmail.com]

If you want an even higher gear e13 9t cassettes are an option also. 

-Dan
On Wednesday, November 13, 2024 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> You definitely can make your highest gear higher by using bigger tires, 
> BUT the differences are small.  Let's look at the numbers objectively:
>
> Running a 32x11 as your highest gear on a bike with 700x44 wheels, you are 
> talking about a top gear that is roughly 81 gear inches.  Pedaling at 60RPM 
> you'll be going 14.5MPH.  Pedaling at 110RPM, you'll be going 26.6MPH.  81 
> gear inches is not that high a top gear.  
>
> Many cyclists complain that they spin out at 81 gear inches, and those 
> people self identify as mashers.  They like to push hard at low RPM.  They 
> don't want to pedal at 110RPM, but they want to go faster at lower cadence. 
>  That's cool.  Get higher gears to do it.  
>
> Going from a 32 to a 34 increases that top gear by about 6% to about 86.5 
> gear inches.  Pedaling slowly at 60RPM, you'll be going about 1 mile per 
> hour faster, 15.5MPH.  That's a small improvement
>
> Going from 44mm tires to 55mm tires increases the wheel diameter by 20mm. 
>  That's about a 3% increase in diameter, so it increases the gear inches by 
> about 3% to about 89 gear inches.  It's about HALF the benefit you got from 
> switching the chainring.  Now mashing at 60RPM will make you go another 
> half a mile per hour faster, to something like 16MPH.  
>
> Hypothetically if you could switch to a SRAM Eagle cassette which is 
> 10-52, then your top gear would jump up by ~10%.  In other words, switching 
> from an 11T to a 10T cog would make more of a difference than changing both 
> the chain ring and the tires.  That's simple, but it's expensive.  
>
> If you made all of the above changes, we're talking about an 18% increase. 
>  Hypothetically if you could train yourself to pedal 20% faster, then you'd 
> make more of an impact and do it for free.  Pedaling faster is free if you 
> are able to do it.  Many claim that spinning is more efficient also.  Many 
> claim that they are far more able to spin when running shorter cranks.  If 
> you are already a spinner and already maxing out at 26MPH or faster and 
> need to go still faster, then higher gearing is the way to go.  Best of 
> luck on all of it. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Oh, the bigger chainring up front is definitely happening.
>>
>> I'm running 44s and can go a bit wider, but I guess I was asking 
>> specifically for tires that people know are "taller" as well, that is that 
>> increase the overall diameter of the wheel. I appreciate the skepticism 
>> regarding the suggestion, but this is a VERY well known and trusted LBS, 
>> with excellent staff, who think about these things a lot in a variety of 
>> setups (not just Rivendell, Waterford, etc., though they do that too).
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 PM Drew Saunders  wrote:
>>
>>> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36 
>>> cassette, and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no 
>>> option for 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled. 
>>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>>
>>> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>>>
>>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>>
>>> Get the bigger chainring!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going to 
 have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what we're 
 targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for granted 
 that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I can gauge how much slower 
 29x2.2 is than, say 650x48.

 I'd stick with swapping out the chainring and see if that makes the 
 difference you're looking for.  You could also shrink your cassette some 
 to 
 get smaller jumps between gears.

 Will

 On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 9:49:42 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Generally the way to increase tire diameter for a given wheel size is 
> to increase the tire width. Do you have room for wider tires?
>
> It strikes me that using tire diameter to compensate for drivetrain 
> gearing seems a bit like the tail wagging the dog. What kind of crank and 
> bottom bracket setup does this bike have? 
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:18:29 AM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> On one of my bikes I have 1x set-up. It's currently a 32T up front 
>> and the largest 

[RBW] Sam/Roadini Comparisons with wheel size difference

[dane...@gmail.com]

Hey

So I've been enjoying my Roadini and taking it on everything from paved 
roads/dirt roads to some chunky stuff.  I'm 5 foot 7 with short legs, 670 
ish saddle height with 155 cranks.
The Roadini is a size 50 which has a 55 ETT.  I'm running a 70mm stem with 
short reach drops.  I'm a little on the edge of sizing with the bike.  
Also, every time I throw the 32mm tires back on after riding 44s for a 
while,  I prefer the handling and am thinking about a switch to a similar 
650b bike so I can get the sameish wheel diameter size with a 42/48 to 
maintain that feeling with a wider tire.  I've had a few 650b bikes but 
they were all low trail, which I decided I don't really like after all.  
The 48cm Sam is 650b and I'm wondering if I'll be giving up any of the more 
road-ish feel of the bike with the same build but in 650b form on the Sam?  
Seems the Sam would be a little more versatile and have better braking 
options, but a degree slacker STA and the HTA down to 71 from 72 on he 650b 
Homer.   Wheelbase is about 10mm longer on the Homer.   Anybody have any 
experience here?  The other possibility for me is possibly getting a custom 
bike made, but we're talking double the price so I'm curious if maybe I 
could make the Sam work.  

Thanks
-Dan

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Re: [RBW] Sam/Roadini Comparisons with wheel size difference

[dane...@gmail.com]

I do generally prefer a slacker seat tube angle.  I ride 155 cranks and 
even though when your saddle goes up to accommodate for the cranks it 
generally needs to go back a bit more still.  The Roadini has a 72.5 STA 
and my Berthoud saddle is more back than forward right now.   

Weight could be interesting because with the same build, smaller frame and 
650b I could see the Sam actually being lighter.

-Dan

On Monday, December 9, 2024 at 11:40:05 AM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

>
> On Dec 9, 2024, at 8:53 AM, Spencer Robinson  wrote:
>
>  The drawback to the Heron is that 32’s are just about the largest tire 
> you can fit
>
>
>
> My, how far we have come since 1997. When Herons were designed, cyclists 
> on 28mm tires were obviously Freds. If you wanted 32’s, you searched out 
> Campionato del Mondo sewups. It was a battle to get builders to set brake 
> bridges and fork length to maximize the 57mm reach of “long” brakes. The 
> pads on the brakes on my prototype Heron are smack dab in the middle of the 
> slots. I have 32mm tires crammed in there. I also have 32’s crammed into 
> the Campy Daytona brakes on my same-era Riv Road. If Grant Petersen and Jan 
> Heine are remembered for nothing else, I hope they are remembered for how 
> much joy they have brought (back) to the cycling world with an 
> embarrassment of riches in choices of large volume tires and bikes and 
> components that take advantage of them. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini and Unpaved, Experience?

[dane...@gmail.com]

eyyy! 

OFFRoadini.  Yeah, where I currently live almost every road off of the main 
roads is dirt/gravel with some chunkier connections in between both single 
track and class 4 roads.  OFFRoadini works fine for all.  If you think 
about it the geometry is really more like a gravel bike of yesteryear with 
longer chainstays that add to the stability when going fast down some loose 
dirt roads.  Mine is 1x12 Force Levers with ratio kit adapter, which adds 
to its modern gravellyness.  I personally really only ride slicks on a bike 
like this.  Mainly Rene Herse 44mm extra lights, but honestly 35's work 
pretty damn good too.  Since its winter here and I can't really ride any 
dirt with such a bike right now, I currently have some 32 Conti GP5000 S 
TR's on there and definitely enjoy the zippier feel and slightly decreased 
stability with a skinnier tire when riding almost all pavement.   I don't 
find knobs do anything on hard dirt roads or gravel roads and I'm willing 
to deal with it if I come across some mud.  Rather do that than ride 
knobbies on pavement personally.  

-DanEE Bwoy.

On Monday, February 10, 2025 at 1:31:34 AM UTC-5 nics...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had a similar question a few weeks back (new Roadini owner) and from 
> what other folks said there are Roadini owners who happily treat the frame 
> like a hard tail MTB and have no problems. Some claim it's the most 
> versatile bike in the Riv lineup if your weight and setup allow for it to 
> be (hot take?).  
> On Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 5:15:54 PM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>
>> If I add a third wheelset the focus would be comfort and handling.  I 
>> don't like feeling tossed around on a gravel ride.  On my local 
>> mixed-surface / mixed-use trails, I've had 32mm tires all the way up to 
>> 2.2".  They've all worked, but I've felt the best with the wider tires. 
>>  It's just the bike that fits them is only half as comfortable as the 
>> Roadini.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 4:48:20 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I've used my Roadini on a fair amount of gravel. With 35mm tires it's 
>>> pretty comfortable on forest roads. The limiting factor is probably hand 
>>> fatigue on long dirt descents. I'm rim brake for most things, but gravel in 
>>> the mountains is where hydro discs really make a difference. 
>>> On Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 9:39:25 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I ride my Roadini all over. I'm on a 57 as well. 6'1" and 185lbs. I 
 have 32H dyad hoops. Only used Ultradynamico Cava 42s on it so far.

 I have thrown the rear wheel out of true after getting "air" off some 
 roots on familiar trails. That's about as crazy as I get, and I've learned 
 not to beat on it the way I can do with my Sam. Sam has 36 hole Atlas 
 wheels. 

 On Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 6:10:35 AM UTC-8 rmulc...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>
> Looking forward to answers to this. I have a Hilsen set up for road 
> riding, with slicks and a dark-boston-winter-inspired dynamo, and I love 
> it 
> -- it's fast and so comfortable -- and have no plans to make any big 
> changes. 
> (Except maybe to Paul brakes -- big for the wallet.) 
> Thinking of getting a Roadini or an Atlantis next, for trail riding 
> but also, sometimes, commuting. On first glance, it seems like the 
> Atlantis 
> would be the smart choice, but I like the geo of the roadini better, like 
> that it's a little lighter, like that the lugged version seems more rack 
> friendly, and I'm just not convinced that a somewhat experienced (def not 
> expert) rider needs anything bigger than a 43/45 tired unless he/she is 
> hitting mountain trails. (For which a mountain bike will always be 
> better.) 
> I have a crust bombora, which I would gift to my son, and on all kinds of 
> trails I've never felt any ride-feel difference between a 42 tire and a 
> 50. 
> So curious about others' experiences. 
> Jay, thanks for asking this questions, and as far as tire advice, I 
> really love the soma cazaderos for what you're describing.
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 7:50:23 AM UTC-5 Jay wrote:
>
>> I have the 2023 Roadini, size 57.  I LOVE the bike and how it feels, 
>> every time I get on it after a long break (riding another bike on 
>> snowy/salty roads) I'm reminded of just how good it fits, handles, and 
>> feels.
>>
>> I'm thinking of adding a third wheel set, for mainly unpaved riding 
>> (more below).  *I'm curious as to your experience with this bike on 
>> gravel roads, trails, etc.*  I realize bike configs will differ, as 
>> to the specific riding conditions, but to me this is not a road bike 
>> like 
>> the ones I've had previously, so I want to push the envelope and see 
>> what 
>> terrain I can ride, somewhat comfortably.
>>
>> *Recap*

[RBW] Re: Roadini and Unpaved, Experience?

[dane...@gmail.com]

I definitely agree with everything Bill is saying.  It does work fine and I 
enjoy underbiking, but your experience may differ if it's not your cup of 
tea.  

-Dan
On Monday, February 10, 2025 at 4:30:30 PM UTC-5 cbala...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have been enjoying my Roadini with 35s - RH Bon Jon Pass (regular 
> grade). I would say I ride 60/40 paved to unpaved. Mostly the unpaved miles 
> are forest service roads, well packed but loose and sharp at the edges. I 
> am thoroughly impressed with the tires and how they hold up to some brutal 
> descents and jagged gravel. It is a bit under-bikey (descents can be extra 
> jarring) and I will be trying some 38s, but really the 35s are pretty damn 
> good for rolling across several terrains. 
>
> On Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 4:50:23 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>
>> I have the 2023 Roadini, size 57.  I LOVE the bike and how it feels, 
>> every time I get on it after a long break (riding another bike on 
>> snowy/salty roads) I'm reminded of just how good it fits, handles, and 
>> feels.
>>
>> I'm thinking of adding a third wheel set, for mainly unpaved riding (more 
>> below).  *I'm curious as to your experience with this bike on gravel 
>> roads, trails, etc.*  I realize bike configs will differ, as to the 
>> specific riding conditions, but to me this is not a road bike like the ones 
>> I've had previously, so I want to push the envelope and see what terrain I 
>> can ride, somewhat comfortably.
>>
>> *Recap*: Bought it a year ago and had two wheel sets from the start, one 
>> with Dura-Ace wheels I already had, and 30mm tires for road rides with a 
>> friend, who is faster than me (me and the bike can keep up! so it has 
>> replaced my road bike); the other with new 105 hubs and H plus son 
>> archetype rims with 43mm GKSS tires for every other ride, which includes 
>> rail trails, short sections of gravel paths connecting roads, and 100% 
>> paved rides when on my own (I like the added comfort and versatility over 
>> the 30mm tires).  Swapping wheels is so easy, pop the quick release on the 
>> TRP levers and on the other one on the brake callipers, swap wheels, barrel 
>> adjuster on the calliper to adjust pads to rim, done.  I'm always playing 
>> records when messing around with the bike, and this is a "one song" 
>> adjustment lol
>>
>> If I was to add a third wheel set, I think I would want go tubeless, with 
>> supple 43-45mm tires with an aggressive tread.  I want to maximize comfort 
>> and also have a tire that can corner on loose gravel, and ride comfortably 
>> over choppy gravel roads (on longer mixed surface rides).  The 43mm GKSS 
>> tires are great, and I run that at 30psi if mixed surface, but they lack 
>> comfort on chunky terrain and don't handle my twisty gravel trails very 
>> well (where as my Salsa Fargo with 2.2" tubeless tires, smooth centre / 
>> knobby corners, is great).
>>
>> Looking for your input about this bike's capability unpaved/off-road, our 
>> experience, and recommendations for TLR rims, and tires as described above. 
>>  Thanks!
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini vs Roaduno (besides initial config)

[dane...@gmail.com]

haha heyy SAM!

On Monday, January 27, 2025 at 1:10:14 PM UTC-5 samuel...@gmail.com wrote:

> can confirm i've seen danny safely shred things id be scared to ride on an 
> MTB
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 9:16 AM dane...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm about 170 and ride my roadini on some pretty rough terrain also and 
>> its been fine!
>>
>> [image: IMG_3412.PNG]
>>
>> On Monday, January 20, 2025 at 4:23:53 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Nope. I have a custom touring bike that I mostly ride on the road and 
>>> for light off road. The Roadini right now is on loan to my (heavier) 
>>> brother while his custom bike is being built.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, 12:58 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Piaw - do you ever think about a Gallop? Just wondering. I know you 
>>>> love the Roadini, but if its overbuilt, the Charlie would be nice…
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 20, 2025 at 12:34:52 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I regularly treat my Roadini the way others treat their mountain 
>>>>> bikes. It rides better than my hard tail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If anything I'd say the Roadini is overbuilt for someone my weight 
>>>>> (140 pounds)
>>>>> On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 6:42:23 PM UTC-8 nics...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First time poster and riv owner here (lugged Roadini). I've been 
>>>>>> researching deeper into the Riv lineup and am trying to discern what the 
>>>>>> differences are between the Roadini and Roaduno. I see you can add 
>>>>>> derailleurs to the Roaduno so I'm curious what any other fundamental 
>>>>>> differences there are in the frames?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, any Roadini riders here take their bikes off-roading? Any 
>>>>>> concerns or things I should be worried about if I do the same with light 
>>>>>> gravel, roughish fire roads? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Nic
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[RBW] Re: Leather Saddles - What do you Wear

[dane...@gmail.com]

Berthoud Aspin for me.   No special consideration to clothing for it 
otherwise, just whatever I have on.  

-Dan

On Monday, January 27, 2025 at 1:16:40 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Really late response but when you included Brooks B17 and C17 Cambium, I 
> wanted to chime in.  
>
> As far as what to wear it depends om the distance.  If 1 to 2 hour day 
> rides near home I wear regular cotton underwear and over-shorts.
>
> If bicycle touring I wear wool underwear (Smartwool brand) and normally 
> Fjallravn shorts (which are gusseted).  Wool  u/w since it can be worn for 
> several days between washings and has antimicrobial properties.
>
> If brevets traditional padded cycling shorts.
>
> Saddle of choice is the Brooks Cambium C17 *carved*.  Tried the 
> non-carved model and the carved is much more comfy, IMO.  Did many long 
> distance rides on this model along with multi-month bicycle tours.  Up 
> until 2016 I did ride a B17 but switched since the Cambium is waterproof 
> thus no need to carry (and use) the saddle cover when it rains.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 3:26:32 PM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was curious to get some views from those with leather saddles and 
>> whether you wear bib (padded) cycling shorts, underwear with shorts/pants. 
>>  If underwear; is it wool, synthetic, other; do you care about seam 
>> placement; tight/compression fit, loose; or do you not think about this at 
>> all (just ride in whatever)?
>>
>> I recently ordered a Brooks Team Pro Special and would love to not have 
>> to wear padded bib shorts (despite having like 10 of them).  I'm certainly 
>> going to try riding with some synthetic compression long boxers (I have a 
>> few pair) and winter tights, as it's that time of year.  I'll also try with 
>> a few models of bib shorts I have.
>>
>> Long rides on hot days are not always the best, for me, with bib shorts, 
>> due to chafing.  I rarely get actual saddle sores (not since switching to 
>> the C17).
>>
>> When I started cycling over 20 years ago, after a couple years into it, I 
>> got a B17 saddle.  After some trial-error with set up, it was fairly 
>> comfortable.  I was always wearing bib shorts, but I still laugh at one 
>> time in the winter when after riding for two hours I realized I wasn't 
>> wearing bib shorts, just underwear and winter tights.  I later got a Brooks 
>> Swallow, and then for some reason switched to plastic saddles and only 
>> tried Brooks again in the last 18 months.  I tried a B17, twice maybe, and 
>> it seemed too large and impacted how I pedalled.  I then tried a C17, and 
>> it was pretty good in that I was well supported, pedalling was fine, and 
>> with padded shorts it has been the most comfortable saddles I've had in the 
>> last 10 years.  I want to see if I can eliminate chafing/sores and figured 
>> I would try the Team Pro Special (hoping the width/shape works better for 
>> me than B17; I'm rather skinny).
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting

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I'm a bit of a weird situation being that I broke my growth plate in my 
femur when I was younger.  Surgery was done on the other leg to close the 
growth plate also.  What that left me with was a 18mm ish leg length 
discrepancy and femurs that are overall 2 inches shorter than they would 
have been.  I have had 2 fits done.  I've also done A LOT of experimenting 
myself both before and after.  Even with my short femurs, I do seem to 
need/prefer a slacker seat tube angle.  Maybe the fact that my saddle 
height is 2 inches lower than it would be and my femur/tibia ratio is out 
of wack.  I suppose a 2 inch lower saddle height is going to bring the 
saddle forward quite a bit.  I also now run all 155mm cranks.  If riding 
clipless, I stagger my cleats so help with the leg length discrepancy as 
this is what I naturally do on flat pedals.  Ive tried different length 
cranks but only in more commercially available sizes.  175mm is way too 
long for me so doing 165 short leg/175 long leg didn't really work for me.  
Maybe if i can get my hands on 145/155 it would help.  I think the longer 
tibia/shorter femur leads to a more closed hip angle at the top of the 
pedal stroke versus normal/long femur.  

That all being said, I never stuck with either one of my professional 
fits.  Both were quite a bit too aggressive.  I've also had 2 custom bikes, 
both of which I sold for being too long.   At my fits they did recommend a 
slacker seat tube angle as on that bike we were already saddle slammed back 
on a 20mm seat back post with a 73STA.  I find that if I start getting back 
there the interaction of my  legs and the cranks feels better but the 
center of gravity starts getting too rearward and handling suffers.  

I'd recommend really making sure you find a fitter who understands what 
your riding style is and what you find more comfortable.  A fit for putting 
down a lot of power through the pedals and one for cruising around town or 
less aggressive riding is not going to be the same.  

-Dan

Still haven't figured it out. 

On Monday, January 27, 2025 at 8:13:57 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, January 27, 2025 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-5 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm curious about the collective opinion regarding professional bike 
> fitting, and pose these questions as one who has been riding for 50+ years 
> on mostly drop bar road bikes, without ever having been "fitted"... 
>
> 1. Have you been professionally fitted, and did that result in a 
> noticeable improvement in comfort?  Enough that you would advocate for 
> others? 
> 2. I have three or four bikes, set up different ways (Homer with drop bars 
> as my "road bike", All Rounder with Albatross bars for "adventure", 
> etc)if one is "fitted" to a certain bike, does the "fit" apply to 
> different set-ups? 
>
>
> I've also been riding pretty seriously for over 50 years, and I have spent 
> a lot of time researching fit recommendations and playing with my position 
> on the bike. I have never paid for a "professional fit", and the horror 
> stories I read and hear unfortunately outnumber the success stories. Most 
> of the success stories I hear/read seem to involve people with particular 
> issues. Most of the horror stories seem to involve people getting very bad 
> advice. I don't consider myself to be in the special needs category, at 
> 168cm (66") tall and 57kg (125lb)  weight. My annual mileage over the last 
> decade has been in the 3000-7000 range. My longest rides are 600km. Last 
> year I rode 177 times, 159 of them outdoor, mostly pavement with some 
> gravel and dirt thrown in occasionally, an average of 54km (34mi), at an 
> average speed of 26.0 kph (16.3 mph). I include all that because I think 
> bike fit has to take into account what type of body you have and what type 
> of riding you do. 
>
> My riding position has been dialed in and tweaked over the years. In 
> response to some Achilles tendonitis, I lowered my saddle a bit and found 
> some relief, and never raised it back (until recently). I like riding with 
> the tops of the bars pretty close to saddle height, and deep drops with a 
> fair amount of reach, so when I change hand positions I have a wide range 
> of body positions. This has served me well, but I have always had some low 
> back issues that I attribute to a childhood sledding incident.
>
> I tried a _lot_ of upright bar positions on a few bikes, including a 
> Cheviot, and never found any that I liked for anything more than fifteen 
> minutes. That changed when we got a Hubbuhubbuh. I really like the upright 
> position on that bike, but it doesn't translate well to my drop bar 
> position (other than saddle height).
>
> Recently I was measured by a bike builder. According to his measurement 
> and the popular formulae, my saddle height should be in the neighborhood of 
> 740mm. I've been riding at 700 and even a bit lower. He also wants my 
> saddle pushed back, recommending a 71.5 degree seat tube angle

[RBW] Re: FS: SRAM Force AXS eTap shifters/cable brake (not hydro)

[dane...@gmail.com]

hey do you still have these?

On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 1:57:20 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> Excellent condition very lightly used SRAM Force eTap AXS cable actuated 
> (not hydro) brake levers/ shifters. Used for maybe 40 miles total.
>
> Located in Sacramento for pickup, or actual shipping cost (calculated via 
> Pirate Ship).
>
> Please check, I’ve been on this forum for a while. I will not sell to or 
> communicate with anyone who does not have a history on this forum. I’m 
> sorry to have to say this but if the communication feels hinky I’m just 
> going to cut it off.
>
> These shifters came on a bike I got and I honestly tried to enjoy drop 
> bars just for that, but I hate them (drops). The shifters are great but 
> they’re not for me.
>
> I was holding onto these levers for my son to build something around, but 
> he recently started high school racing mountain bikes and he wants a good 
> quality bike rack for his car. I don’t like things hanging around unused.
>
> That said, I would trade for a One up,Thule, or Yakima type platform rack 
> for a one and a quarter inch hitch. Single or double. Otherwise the price 
> is $400. The information manual on these is available on the SRAM website. 
>
> Reach out if interested.
> Liz in Sacramento 
>
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> image3.jpeg]
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