Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus questions

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I’ve been lucky enough to have ridden all of them, but only own Homer and Platy.  I sold my Appaloosa two years ago to buy the Platy.   My test ride on an Atlantis was what sold me on Rivendell.   Leah, BBDD, has a Platy and Clem L.   Clem L rode nicely. Platy is sportier.  I know the wheelbases because there  is a wheelbase limit to put a bike on the rather short Philadelphia bus bike racks, and I was on a search… Platy is too long. When I do tip the bike, I tip towards me. RobertaSent from my iPadOn Feb 10, 20236, at 9:39 PM, dougP  wrote:Wow! Miss a day & miss a lot. I'll try to answer / comment in order:Current stem is an 80 mm dirt drop & Map Ahearne bars in 660 mm width. The Atlantis has a 58 cm top tube.The issue of mounting / dismounting is helpful. That's my current problem. I have to do this gymnastic of leaning the bike WY over to get my leg over the saddle. I'm unbalanced at that point. Never thought about Roberta's method but can see myself doing the trip thru instead of the step thru. Ponder, ponder.Roberta, that's an impressive collection of Rivendells. The fact you have the 55 Platy & 52 Clem L is interesting. More options are better. Thanks for the links to the websites. I've checked whatbars a few times in my handlebar odyssey & will look at the frame one.Thanks to all for your help & suggestions.dougOn Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:20:07 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I enjoy both of these websites but wish they had drawings for Clem & Gus. I’ve not looked for other Riv models. Bikeinsights of course is the one I am speaking of.

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> On Feb 10, 2023, at 8:42 AM, esoterica etc  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2023, at 07:33, Roberta  wrote:
>> 
>> There is a website ( but I forgot the name ) that superimposes bike geometries over each other for comparison, but there’s nothing like a test ride. There’s a similar site for handlebars. 
>> 
>> Roberta 
>> Philadelphia 
> 
> The website Roberta is thinking of that superimposes bikes over each other is bikeinsights.com, and the handlebar one is whatbars.com- both excellent resources for comparison. 
> 
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
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Re: [RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

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There’s someone in the Philadelphia area (I’m not connected to seller) who is selling intermediate/advanced toolkit.   We could get up a collection and present it to our BBDD!  :). intermediate/advanced tool kit - bicycle parts - by owner - bike salephiladelphia.craigslist.orgSent from my iPhoneOn Feb 20, 2023, at 3:10 PM, George Schick  wrote:To those responding to this post who are saying they're gradually learning to do most everything (adjusting, changing components, etc.) except wheel building, I say don't underrate yourself!  With a good resource (personally, I'd recommend Sheldon Brown's step-by-step methodology available on-line) and a little fooling around and practice you can do it!  Also, as you go along and figure out how to do replacement and maintenance of various components, be prepared to buy some specialized tools.  Just like almost everything on a bike, you'll discover that a specific tool is needed to do the job correctly.  That's not to say that you need anything more than a small screwdriver and some hex key wrenches to make minor adjustments to deraillers or to change brake cables...you don't.  But when it comes to things like replacing headsets or bottom brackets you'll need some unique tools.On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:55:18 AM UTC-6 Stephanie A. wrote:I love this, Leah! I've been doing what I can on my bike, and now that I'm really starting to change components I'm starting to learn more and more. My hope is that once I'm done adjusting components on this bike I can be in an okay place to eventually build up my own from a frame and fork (wheel-building excluded--I'll leave that to the wheel pros).On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:49:54 AM UTC-5 velomann wrote:I'm (mostly) self-taught as far as wrenching goes. I started decades ago maintaining my own bikes, then buying and repairing and re-selling bikes from CL. I eventually got to the point where I could strip a bike to the bare frame and rebuild everything. The only formal class I took was a wheel building class from Jude K. when she owned Sugar Wheelworks (One of the best birthday gifts my wife ever gave me) and now that's a skill in my quiver. I worked 30 years as a middle school LA/SS teacher (bike commuted every day) and hanging out with the bikes in the basement was a form of therapy and decompression. Now, I'm semi-retired. I work as a substitute teacher 2 days/week, and a professional bike mechanic (!) 3 days/week at Go By Bike, "North America's largest bike valet service" https://www.gobybikepdx.com/  I'm living my best life.a few months ago I had a valet client who was complaining that she couldn't get her seat low enough. I pulled the seat, put the post in the vice, cut 6 inches off the bottom, touched up the edges with a file, and remounted it in the position she wanted. I took the remaining section of seatpost and stuck a piece of tape on it where I wrote "It's not Rocket Science."  This reminder is still on a shelf in the shop. And as anyone who reads Grant's Blagh knows, Bikes shouldn't be too precious. Don't fear wrenching - it's empowering.Mike MOn Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:31:40 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is slow. The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of scheming.)I digress! He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, 

Re: [RBW] Re: ESI Chunky Grips with bar end shifter wire question

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Thank you both. The shifter with its housing would go between the grip and the bar. I’m leaning toward doing this with the tan grip (closely matches the head tube color) unless I hear “don’t do it.” I getcha about having a channel. The mechanic from Keystone Bikes would do this, not me. Roberta Sent from my iPadOn May 28, 2023, at 8:21 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:RobertaYou said "

putting wire through the grips?"   Are you saying the mechanic will push the shifter wire through the length of the silicone or put the shifter wire between the bar and the grip???If the former, it should work since the wire should be able to move fore and aft in the silicone.    If the latter, I would be worried the shifter wire will not move fore and aft easily.On drop bars with bar end shifters, the normal practice is to place the shifter wire inside the plastic tunnel supplied with the shifter and the tape the plastic tunnel to the bar.  So the shifter wire is totally free to move fore/aft, but held securely to the bar.It would be nice if the mfg molded a small diameter (say 3 mm) tunnel on the inside of the grip for shifter wire (shifter wire is < 2mm in diameter).   Maybe using a small diameter plastic straw between the bar and grip with the wire inside the straw would allow the wire to move fore/aft freely.  The straw need to be 13cm (5-1/8" long), since the grip is 13cm longJohn HawrylakWoodstown NJOn Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 6:14:12 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:Currently I have an albatross handlebar on my A. Homer Hilsen with bar end shifters and a leather-like handlebar wrap over a gel pad for my handlebar grip. I need to change my stem so I’m considering the ESI Chunky grips instead. I like the feel and sophisticated look of the current wrap but wouldn’t mind more cushioning. The bike mechanic tells me he can put the bar end shifter wires through the ESI grips. *Is this OK/safe/good idea?*Another option would be to put the wire underneath the ESI grip and wrap the grips with Newbaum’s tape to hold the wire in place. A third option would be to put back what I have now with the wrap going over the wire. I have honey colored Brooks B68 and would get the blue or tan ESI grips, or honey for leather like wrap.  Opinions, especially about putting wire through the grips?  Thanks,Roberta 



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Re: [RBW] Re: ESI Chunky Grips with bar end shifter wire question

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Exactly!  And, beautiful 1st gen Clementine. I’ll go ahead and have them order the grips for me. Thanks, everyone. Sent from my iPadOn May 28, 2023, at 9:34 PM, Mackenzy Albright  wrote:I just put the cable in place and sprayed the bar and ESI grip with rubbing alcohol. Works great. Shifts great. No grip slip.  On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 5:30:53 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:Thank you both. The wire inside its housing would go between the grip and the bar. I’m leaning toward doing this with the tan grip (closely matches the head tube color) unless I hear “don’t do it.” I getcha about having a channel. The mechanic from Keystone Bikes would do this, not me. Roberta On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 8:21:16 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ wrote:RobertaYou said "

putting wire through the grips?"   Are you saying the mechanic will push the shifter wire through the length of the silicone or put the shifter wire between the bar and the grip???If the former, it should work since the wire should be able to move fore and aft in the silicone.    If the latter, I would be worried the shifter wire will not move fore and aft easily.On drop bars with bar end shifters, the normal practice is to place the shifter wire inside the plastic tunnel supplied with the shifter and the tape the plastic tunnel to the bar.  So the shifter wire is totally free to move fore/aft, but held securely to the bar.It would be nice if the mfg molded a small diameter (say 3 mm) tunnel on the inside of the grip for shifter wire (shifter wire is < 2mm in diameter).   Maybe using a small diameter plastic straw between the bar and grip with the wire inside the straw would allow the wire to move fore/aft freely.  The straw need to be 13cm (5-1/8" long), since the grip is 13cm longJohn HawrylakWoodstown NJOn Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 6:14:12 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:Currently I have an albatross handlebar on my A. Homer Hilsen with bar end shifters and a leather-like handlebar wrap over a gel pad for my handlebar grip. I need to change my stem so I’m considering the ESI Chunky grips instead. I like the feel and sophisticated look of the current wrap but wouldn’t mind more cushioning. The bike mechanic tells me he can put the bar end shifter wires through the ESI grips. *Is this OK/safe/good idea?*Another option would be to put the wire underneath the ESI grip and wrap the grips with Newbaum’s tape to hold the wire in place. A third option would be to put back what I have now with the wrap going over the wire. I have honey colored Brooks B68 and would get the blue or tan ESI grips, or honey for leather like wrap.  Opinions, especially about putting wire through the grips?  Thanks,Roberta 



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Re: [RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

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Very impressive!  It started raining here when I was to go out, so I’ll have to 
live rides vicariously thru the group. 


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> On Apr 27, 2020, at 7:04 PM, 'Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> I did 22 miles today.  I watched an interesting drama unfold alongside the 
> pier.  A seagull tried to steal the bait off of a fishing line and accidently 
> got hooked.  The fisherman was able to eventually trap the bird with a net 
> and get it unhooked and set free.  The bird didn't seem hurt at all and more 
> pissed off that it wasn't able to get away with stealing the shrimp the guy 
> was using as bait.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

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Both potential names are embarrassing.  A regal name for a regal bike A 
lovely name for a lovely bike...

To add to Leah’s list of lovely Riv names, I submit Joe Appaloosa, which if 
they shortened it to just Appaloosa would define that bike and it’s ride.

Do I really want my new bike to be a platypus???  The other option is just as 
bad.   


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> On May 15, 2020, at 7:39 PM, DHans  wrote:
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> Just say no to Platypus.  Really? Platypus? Maybe it will grow on me but my 
> first take is not a good bike name. 
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Sale: Saddles, Drive Train from Joe Appaloosa, other small items

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Liz,

The Flyer went out   last night USPS Priority Mail due 4/17, according to
the paperwork. My experience is to add a few extra days.   Tracking 9505
5155 1347 1103 5289 74:

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction?tLabels=9505515513471103528974


I can send picture of the tracking number if you'd like.  Right now, I'm
trying to just let everyone know their package is in the post.

Roberta

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 1:36 PM Roberta  wrote:

> All the saddles and some other items have been spoken for.  Thank you!
> Here's what is still available.
>
> Fuchsia color handlebar Tape--2 rolls. New. I think it's Green Grips
> Brand.  $15 for the pair.  Perk up those handlebars!
> https://analogcycles.com/product/green-grips-bar-tape/
>
> Sackville Strap $10. New.  I bought this for my Banana Sack, but it is too
> wide.  I'd also do an exchange for a 10-14" strap that is not as wide so I
> can use it as intended.
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/long-buckle-sackville-leather-strap-15-each
>
> Pedals that came with Joe Appaloosa.  $15.  One pedal is perfect.  The
> other has minor lateral movement, so the pedal "clicks" at the top of the
> stroke.  I've sold the Joe A and the new owner put on his own pedals.
>
> Pedals I purchased from a wonderful list member because I was getting a
> new bike and needed something within a few days.  These are very nice
> touring pedals, no issues.  I ended up replacing them with the Clem pedals,
> just because they were thinner.  $5 (These have good reviews on Amazon, but
> I just cannot find the pedal.)
>
> Chain. $10.   Takeoff from Joe Appaloosa.  Ridden almost exclusively on
> pavement, never in rain.  Always stored indoors.   Approx 3000 miles, used
> for three years.  Since  don't have the proper degreasers, this comes with
> plenty of dirt (no extra charge :)  ) and need to be cleaned.
>
> Shipping not included, and it could take me up to a week to pack and ship,
> so please let me know if you're in a hurry.
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 10:08:28 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I've gotten multiple inquiries for some items, so I'd like to post what
>> is still available, as to not take your time.
>>
>> In an effort to move these to fund my Platypus, Saddles are 20% off CL
>> prices.  A few items are sold and I have removed them from the listing.
>>
>> Brooks B17 Black Excellent Condition.   $80
>> https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bop/d/philadelphia-brooks-b17-black-excellent/7305266979.html
>>
>> Selle Anatomica NSX Black Excellent Condition. $ 80
>> https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bop/d/philadelphia-selle-anatomica-nsx-black/7305278060.html
>> (I really liked this saddle and thought it superior to B17 for comfort.)
>>
>> Selle Anatomica X2  Excellent Condition.  $ 80
>> https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bop/d/philadelphia-selle-anatomica-x2-black/7305282076.html
>>
>> Selle Anatomica Saddle Sauce $10
>> https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bop/d/philadelphia-selle-anatomica-saddle/7305284974.html
>>
>> Other items:
>> Fuchsia color handlebar Tape--2 rolls. New. I think it's Green Grips
>> Brand.  $15 for the pair.  Perk up those handlebars!
>> https://analogcycles.com/product/green-grips-bar-tape/
>>
>> Sackville Strap $10. New.  I bought this for my Banana Sack, but it is
>> too wide.  I'd also do an exchange for a 10-14" strap that is not as wide
>> so I can use it as intended.
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/long-buckle-sackville-leather-strap-15-each
>>
>> Pedals that came with Joe Appaloosa.  $15.  One pedal is perfect.  The
>> other has minor lateral movement, so the pedal "clicks" at the top of the
>> stroke.  I've sold the Joe A and the new owner put on his own pedals.
>>
>> Pedals I purchased from a wonderful list member because I was getting a
>> new bike and needed something within a few days.  These are very nice
>> touring pedals, no issues.  I ended up replacing them with the Clem pedals,
>> just because they were thinner.  $5 (These have good reviews on Amazon, but
>> I just cannot find the pedal.)
>>
>> Cork Grips.  $15.  These are nice in they have the barrel shape (very
>> comfy) and I had them on Joe Appaloosa for awhile.  I bought this extra set
>> since changing handlebars means ruining the grips and I liked these.  Since
>> sold the bike, so no need for these.
>>
>> Drive Train takeoffs from Joe Appaloosa, from when I changed it to 1x11.
>> Ridden almost exclusively on pavement, never in rain.  Always stored
>> indoors.   Approx 3000 miles, used for three years.  Since  don't have the
>> proper degreasers, these come with plenty of dirt (no extra charge :)  )
>> and need to be cleaned.
>>
>> Rear Derailleur.   Shimano Deore M591  $30
>> Chain. $10.
>>
>> Shipping not included, and it could take me up to a week to pack and
>> ship, so please let me know if you're in a hurry.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 12:43:

Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

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Another quickie. The Nitto racks are beautiful but heavy. I have one of the 
Axiom racks and it is matte silver rather than beautiful shiny but a much 
lighter.   

I’m SO excited for you  Mine in two weeks. We will WOW them when bikers see 
a Platy pod coming towards them when we go for a ride together.

Roberta

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> On May 14, 2021, at 8:47 PM, 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> After talking with Vince at RivBike.  I decided to go with the Switchback 
> Hills 48 also.  No fenders.
> That was the easy decision.  I just can't figure out what handlebars to go 
> with!
> Choco? Tosco? flat with sweep?  Lost in the internet for hours!!!
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
> 
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 9:57:39 AM UTC-4 willms...@gmail.com wrote:
>> For what it's worth, I have Snoqualmie Passes on my Hillborne with the 
>> Simworks 58 Hammered fenders and they work great.  I just got a Platypus for 
>> my wife and she has Switchback Hills and our plan is to have our LBS install 
>> the Simworks 62 smooth fenders on her bike.  
>> 
>>> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 8:38:24 AM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:
>>> "Some of them are clearly wrong; how can the 700x44 Rene Herse Snoqualmie 
>>> Pass tires possibly weigh less than the 700x38 Barlow Pass" ... apparently 
>>> Jan answered this in the comments to a blog post at Rene Herse: 
>>> "Compass tires are largely made by hand. The rubber coating of the casing, 
>>> but also the tread thickness, vary a bit from one production run to the 
>>> next. The last batch of Barlow Pass tires turned out a tad heavy (which 
>>> means they set up very easily tubeless), while recent Snoqualmies have been 
>>> at the light end of the spectrum. They all ride great, and you’ll be 
>>> hard-pressed to notice the difference on the road." 
>>> 
>>> I have Continental Speed Contact (or as riv called them, Basketball tires) 
>>> in 700x42mm and they're excellent for the anticipated riding, but slightly 
>>> heavy (also excellent flat protection in my experience, though with 
>>> tubeless sealant added to the tubes which helps quite a bit). Also strongly 
>>> recommend the Schwalbe G-One Allround in 45mm (they don't yet offer the 
>>> Speed version, with tiny treads vs. the Allround's knobbies, of the G-one 
>>> wider than 38mm, but that's also excellent). 
>>> 
>>> I'd bet the 44mm Snoqualmie pass tires are a great fit for this riding and 
>>> they'd still have excellent fender protection under the 52mm Soma fenders. 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 15:28:25 UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
 BTW, the Shikoros are not SOMA's lightweight slick tire. At 320g(28c), 
 350g(33c) 430g(38c) for the folding ones, they're more like replacements 
 for their heavier Everwear tires. The wire rimmed ones are obviously 
 heavier still. Another comparison would be to the Riv Ruffy Tuffy (700x28) 
 or Jack Brown (700x33). SOMA's lightweight tires are the Supple Vitesse 
 models, which are roughly in the same market as the Panaracer GravelKing 
 slicks and the Rene Herse standard casing models:
 
 SOMA Shikoro (folding): 28c (320g), 33c (350g), 38c (430g)
 
 SOMA Supple Vitesse SL (light):   28c (220g), 33c (250g), 38c (270g), 42c 
 (340g)
 
 SOMA Supple Vitesse EX (heavy): 28c (270g), 33c (290g), 38c (320g), 42c 
 (380g)
 
 Rivendell Ruffy Tuffy:   28c (not currently listed on 
 Riv or SOMA sites, so who knows?)
 
 Rivendell Jack Brown:33c (320g 
 light, 400g heavy)   
 
 Panaracer GravelKing slick:28c (270g), 32c (290g), 35c (310g), 
 38c (330g)
 
 Rene Herse (standard):28c (248g), 32c (291g), 35c 
 (355g), 38c (385g), 44c (375g)
 
 Rene Herse (extralight):   28c (225g), 32c (254g), 35c 
 (303g), 38c (350g), 44c (330g)
 
 By tradition, we can assume that many of these weights are wishful 
 thinking - maybe many of the measurements, too. Some of them are clearly 
 wrong; how can the 700x44 Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires possibly weigh 
 less than the 700x38 Barlow Pass ones, unless the casings on the 700x44s 
 are sidewall-bursting thin? And weightwise, the SOMA Supple Vitesse SLs 
 are just crazy light, if those numbers are real.
 
 A nice-riding, fairly durable 700x30-something tire (if you can find them) 
 is the SOMA New Express, which has the Panaracer Pasela tread with a more 
 flexible casing. This was originally a 700c tire, which SOMA discontinued 
 when they introduced the Supple Vitesse on the lighter end and the Shikoro 
 on the heavier end. I rode a pair of folding New Expresses in 700x35 for a 
 year or so on my around-town bike, and really liked them; I'd buy them 
 again if they were still available.
 
 Peter Adler
 Berkeley, CA/

Re: [RBW] Re: Question about shim when swapping Albatross for Billie

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Thank you all.
I have two metal shims, so will probably take it to lbs.


> On Jun 7, 2021, at 9:06 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Email sent to you. I'ma need a close-up pic where the bar goes into the stem 
> to be sure what we're dealing with here. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 5:37:35 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>> Joe,
>> 
>> Are you sure?  Your original response got me dialing my LBS.
>> 
>> Now I'm nervous again.  With Candice and James @analog we tried so many 
>> stem/ handlebar combinations and settled on the nice high stem that I 
>> purchased while I was there.  I wanted to try the Albas first, so I left 
>> with them on the stem.  But, they don't come back far enough.  It looks like 
>> metal shims stem with Albatross.  I think the Billies will be perfect, but I 
>> don't want to mess up.
>> 
>> Roberta
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:15 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Wait, false alarm. I've seen that bar and stem on your bike, there's a shim 
>>> there that comes with the bar and doesn't separate..that section is the 
>>> 25.4 measurement. I don't think you have a separate loose shim, your Billie 
>>> should slide right in there no problem. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 4:24:59 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
 I'm going to swap the Albatross bar for the Billie bar on my Platypus 
 tonight (hopefully).  I have a  Nitto XL Technomic 100mm stem and there is 
 a shim under my Albatross.  Do I reuse the shim for the Billie Bar?  I 
 think so.  Will having the shim make it harder for me to do this by 
 myself?  If so, I could take this to LBS.
 
 I got this information from Riv's website:
 
 Nitto Albatross, 55cm x 25.4
 Nitto Billie Bar 580 x 25.4 (RBW-31)
 
 This is the biggest job I'll have done myself and don't want to goof. 
 
 Well, I'm off to tilt the saddle.  That I know how to do!
 
 Thanks,
 Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Riv Hat

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It’s good elastic but out for yea/nay for person #2. If he passes I’ll send you 
pics. Also I told him his head cannot be too big. I meant that literally but 
figuratively it might be!  😊. Roberta

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2021, at 10:51 AM, J S  wrote:
> 
> Roberta, if no other takers and if the ekastic is good I’ll take it, but let 
> OP have first shot.  
> 
>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 9:03:44 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>> I have one I’m pretty sure unworn. Cycling cap. It looks like this but Homer 
>> blue ( the darker Homer). It’s in my house somewhere in a box. If you’re 
>> interested, I’ll find it and get you pics. House is non smoking and no pets. 
>> 
>> https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/377528381248306877/
>> 
>> Roberta
>>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 4:03:35 PM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>> They did a nice run of hats a couple years ago.  I picked up a bucket hat, 
>>> 2nd hand.  I really wanted one of the traditional baseball style hats.  I 
>>> seem to recall a nice looking orange one.
>>> 
>>> I have a green baseball cap, but quality does not seem quite as nice as the 
>>> Blue Lug or the ones I missed out on.  I'm hopeful there will be a higher 
>>> end hat offering coming up while they are looking for something to help 
>>> stay afloat next year.  
>>> 
>>> Good luck with the hunt!
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matt in Oswego, IL 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 1:24:17 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
 Hello RBW bunch,
 
 I'm looking to buy a Rivendell hat.
 Used or unused. Baseball style or cycling style.
 All offers appreciated.
 Are you planning on buying one of the Riv - Blue Lug hats? Pass on your 
 old one to me :)
 
 Thank you.
 -Matthew
 in San Diego hoping to finish my Atlantis by Thursday to ride it on my 
 birthday! :D
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Re: [RBW] Platy Lug: Different. Which one do you have?

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Perhaps you got what was planned and they needed to go to plan B for the big 
lot of Platys.   

Truth be told, I never would have been able to tell you if there was a lug down 
there until I looked yesterday. 



> On Apr 9, 2022, at 6:21 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Except my raspberry 55 didn’t get the cut out lug - it got the sleek one. One 
> of each! What isn’t pictured in any of our photos is the cool swirl behind 
> the cut out. Roberta noticed it. I’ll try to get a photo of mine. It’s just 
> that it’s SO COLD in the garage.
> 
>>> On Apr 9, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> 
>> So only the 55 gets the longer lugs with cutouts. Interesting. 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>> From my 60cm green Platy: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers, 
>>> 
>>> Chris 
 On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:04:44 AM UTC-7 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Leah, 
 I sent you my photo.  Mermaid Platy 50 sleek and simple.
 Kate
 
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:08:21 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
> Mine looks like rowin 2 nowhere’s. Notice how the “fanciness” is facing 
> toward the tire  it’s hard to see that looking at it perpendicular to the 
> bike frame. 
> 
>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:14:15 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Platty Meraid!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2022, 7:06 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I stumbled upon something very interesting. I was taking my mermaid 
>>> Platypus out for a ride and I happened to notice what I thought was a 
>>> large drop of water on the bottom bracket lug. It wasn’t - it’s a 
>>> cut-out. It looked so foreign to me, so I looked at my raspberry 
>>> Platypus. 
>>> 
>>> Totally different lugs. 
>>> 
>>> My raspberry is a sample bike. It made sense to me that it might have a 
>>> different, simpler lug. But then I started looking on Instagram. Now, 
>>> who takes photos of the bottom bracket lug (is that the name for it? I 
>>> don’t know.)? Almost no one. But I found a mermaid Platy on Blue Lug’s 
>>> account and it has the same lug as my raspberry bike. So, it is not 
>>> because my bike is a sample. It seems some Platys went out with the 
>>> cut-out lug, and some went out with the plain lug. I’ll attach photos 
>>> in the following post…
>>> 
>>> Which lug does your Platypus have? Why do you think they built the 
>>> bikes this way?
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

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That’s a lovely ride, small gravel for 5 miles over Forbidden Drive (forbidden 
to cars) then MUP to Kelly Drive. 

I suggest from Kelly Drive, right turn at Falls Bridge over the Schuylkill, 
left at  MLK drive then car-free road for next four miles to the Art Museum. 
Then have your GPS to the Convention center.   John’s ride is also a really 
nice 15 miles.

I look forward to seeing you. 

Roberta

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> On Oct 4, 2022, at 2:08 PM, JohnS  wrote:
> 
> Hello Roberta,
> 
> I'm planning to be there on Saturday. Same as last year, I'll park at the 
> northern end of the Wissahickon trail and ride to the convention center. 
> Anyone want to join me, just let me know.
> 
> Look forward to see everyone there.
> JohnS
> 
>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 9:35:13 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>> Andy, I love this!  Also, hope to see you again.
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 4:51:34 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>> I trying to get there, bothersome work schedule has me working on both 
>>> Friday and Monday around the weekend. I'm aiming for a turnpike motel then 
>>> close in for a Saturday night location near the SEPTA for both parking and 
>>> an orderly exit for home Sunday. 
>>> 
>>> I now think of this gathering as a "meet your maker" opportunity. Amazing 
>>> how after a few conversations you find yourself in the industry, because 
>>> you are the focus at this bike expo. 
>>> 
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> 
 On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 8:55:34 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 I’m tentatively planning to be there. I will arrive Friday evening and 
 have to leave late morning Sunday. I’d love to meet Riv people! Roberta 
 and I have met a few times in real life on my turf but this will be my 
 first time on hers! I’ve been dying to meet Pam Murray and she will be at 
 the expo. Who else can come? 
 Leah
 
> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:03:22 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
> Oct 29 and 30, downtown Philadelphia, easily accessible by car, Septa, NJ 
> Transit, Amtrak, Greyhound, etc.,  and bike!  They also have free valet 
> bike parking inside. 
> 
> https://phillybikeexpo.com/ 
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

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It’srealluy pretty even with the yellow lighting. Look at the head tube color. 
It should be cream. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 12, 2021, at 10:30 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> 
>> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had taken 
>> the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not qualify 
>> as stealing 😂)."
>> 
>> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
>>> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
>>> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
>>> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>>> 
>>> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, really. 
>>> When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in love with a 
>>> light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door neighbors just happen 
>>> to be bike people, but they don’t presently own bikes. They are about my 
>>> parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast to coast, a trip they 
>>> remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s size, and Linda tried it 
>>> out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda 
>>> confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this 
>>> somehow does not qualify as stealing 😂). She fell hard for that little 
>>> Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s the first 
>>> time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting the blue. 
>>> What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with her for pics 
>>> of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have Rivs, so 
>>> what a gift.
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>>> 
 On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from Will. 
 No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when they go 
 live! I think they’ll be gone.
 Leah
 
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
> obsolete
> 
> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain running 
>> a bit slow.
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
>>> Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it 
>>> will be my retirement bike.
>>> 
>>> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so they 
>>> can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of blue 
>>> wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
>>> spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 drive 
>>> train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
>>> pair of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, 
>>> then I have Albatross.
>>> 
>>> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
>>> time in Vermont.  
>>> 
>>> I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
>>> built up bikes!
>>> 
>>> Roberta
>>> 
 On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:
 I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
 you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:
>> 
> From Will’s email on the 19 December:
 
> 
> “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
> they'll be up on the site early February.”
> 
> I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
> available to order.
> 
>> On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom Wyland wrote:
>> So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard about 
>> timing? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

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That’s from Blue Lug in Japan. Because of their proximity, they get their 
shipment directly from the builder.  I got that information somewhere on Riv’s 
website or an email or something...

My impression is that they haven’t landed at HQ yet. 

Roberta

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> On Feb 13, 2021, at 8:05 AM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> I see "Only available in stores" on that screen shot. So all the dealers now 
> have the Platypus? Do we yet know when Rivendell will release their cache 
> other than "late February?" (I am guessing they will be gone within the hour).
> 
> On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 7:39:44 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>> I wrote “getting the mermaid blue but love the green”
>> 
>> Joe, 
>> 
>> I should have written “love and getting the mermaid blue. Love the green, 
>> too.”  
>> 
>> I already ordered my bike from Analog Cycles, but even I didn’t and had to 
>> choose today, I’d still choose the Mermaid blue. It’s lovely!!! Rivendell 
>> chooses colors well. 
>> 
>> Roberta 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 1:00:29 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Roberta, 
>>> 
>>> That mermaid blue is so pretty! As I alluded to in my "chameleon" comment 
>>> the first couple pics I saw seemed green, then the last ones Leah posted 
>>> definitely show the blue. I'll bet it's going to keep color-shifting in the 
>>> sun like her Raspberry Metallic Platy does and will be spectacular. I can't 
>>> wait to see it!
>>> 
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 9:27:25 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
 Both colors are nice, but that green is special! Mark, that green would 
 look right at home with your other colorful bikes.
 Roberta (getting the mermaid blue but love the green )
 
 On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:25:20 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
> It can be hard to judge from a non-product photo on the internet, but it 
> does have a green cast to my eye. Almost looks like my circa 1969 
> Rollfast stingray, which I've always thought of as sea foam green. Which 
> apparently covers a broad palette. It's in there somewhere
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:17:54 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>> No, I see silvery blue in that second pic. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> So this is the silvery blue? They both look green to me. Like green 
>>> and GREEN. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
 WOW. That looks amazing!!! 💚🫒
 
 
 
 On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:
> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she 
>> had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow 
>> does not qualify as stealing 😂)."
> 
>> 
>> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>>> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for 
>>> their Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that 
>>> doesn’t make you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. 
>>> (Also, I winged the grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>>> 
>>> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
>>> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell 
>>> in love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s 
>>> next-door neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t 
>>> presently own bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and 
>>> they once rode coast to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s 
>>> Chev was exactly Linda’s size, and Linda tried it out and loved it. 
>>> When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
>>> taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow 
>>> does not qualify as stealing 😂). She fell hard for that little 
>>> Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s the 
>>> first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s 
>>> getting the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer 
>>> and pose with her for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in 
>>> my “real life” who have Rivs, so what a gift.
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
>>> Ding Ding! wrote:
 Today there was mention of 

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[REC]

+1 (908) 313-5189  Bob. 

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> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
> 
> The Homer then? Could be puddles. I'll be on a blue bike too! I think I'm 
> taking the unfendered bluey, puddles be derned.
> -Kai
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 at 11:15:56 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>> Our ride is just three days away and, I'm very excited.  I want to bring my 
>> A Home Hilsen, but it doesn't have fenders, so I'll decide on Saturday 
>> morning.  I'll bring my Joe Appaloosa if I feel a fendered bike would be 
>> better.  The weather forecast might just be perfect:
>> 
>>   A few showers in the morning, then sunny in 
>> the afternoon. High near 60F. Winds NW at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 50%.
>> 
>> Look forward to seeing everyone.  Perhaps we can have a check in here, since 
>> schedules do change? 
>> 
>> Roberta
>> 
>>> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:57:38 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the directions, which answers John's question.  The pictures 
>>> look lovely and I cannot wait for what looks like a wonderful route!  
>>> 
>>> Roberta
>>> 
 On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 8:04:27 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
 Regarding directions: Plug this into your GPS: 
 
 2 Simon Lake Drive
 Atlantic Highlands, NJ 07716
 
 Regarding parking: Lot 1 might fill up sooner, but Lots 1 and 2 are right 
 next to each other, so it really doesn't matter; we'll see each other. 
 Even if you park on the street somewhere, just come down to the trail.
 
 Regarding the trail surface: I haven't been on the HHT since 2018, but I 
 seem to remember that most of the trail is paved, and what isn't is a very 
 fine crushed stone surface -- in other words, any bike and any tire will 
 be fine on it. 
 
 Regarding the climb: They are approaches to a fairly high bridge, but the 
 grade really isn't bad at all.
 
 Regarding the ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch: It's a nice (and 
 shorter) alterntive to going back to Matawan. As Dave pointed out, the 
 ride from Sandy Hook to Long Branch starts off alongside a large rock 
 seawall on a paved trail, but that's only for a couple of miles -- after 
 that, you're on Rt. 36 as you enter downtown Sea Bright. After Sea Bright, 
 there's a wide shoulder and you pass nice homes and some beach clubs. At 
 Long Branch Rt. 36 turns into a four-lane highway (Ocean Blvd), so I've 
 turned onto side streets from there to get to the train station. A ride 
 along Ocean Ave (not Blvd) and on the promenade at this time of year (no 
 crowds) would be very nice, as it's obviously right along the ocean.
 
 To give you an idea of what some of the route is like, the photos in the 
 below link are from a ride where I took the train from Linden to 
 Aberdeen/Matawan, rode east along the HHT, turned right after the bridge 
 (bypassed Sandy Hook that time), rode down Rt. 36 and hit the beach at 
 Seven Presidents Oceanfront Park in Long Branch to go for a swim before 
 taking the train home:
 
 https://flic.kr/s/aHskF1WUCh
 
 And this one is of Sandy Hook itself:
 https://flic.kr/s/aHskmyzgvz
 
 Bob
 
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[RBW] Re: Bartubes discontinued

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This was one the reasons I hesitated.  The other being I'd wear out the 
Velcro.   

I was thinking of also getting the short leather straps, putting them thru 
the  bag loops and then on the saddle loops.  In the end, I purchased a 
Carradice roll bag in black to blend in with my black saddle and other 
black bags in the rear.  My front bag is a grey  XS saddle sack (love it).

Roberta

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:

> I have one & use it frequently,  my only complaint is the Velcro straps; 
> although quick & easy, sometimes I need to switch to a bike with no good 
> handlebar mounting position. The Velcro straps mean it can't be mounted 
> easily to the back of my B-17s, so it doesn't get used as much as I'd like 
> and is rotated between fewer bikes.

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

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Off list I had contacted Patrick about shoulder and neck pain on my non Riv 
bike asking for recommendations on what changes I could make on it.  Saddle 
and handlebars are about the same height.  His suggestion once he saw 
picture of the bike setup was to move the saddle back.  I don't know the 
right terminology, but just as the seat is "behind" the peddles on the OM-1 
pictured above, my seat wasn't.  I changed the saddle to one with longer 
rails and moved it to the most back position.  This removed most of my pain 
and I felt more balanced on the bike.  It's almost perfect.  In fact, it is 
so good, that I'm thinking about getting a Selle Anatomica saddle because I 
heard that because it has longer rails I can move the seat back even 
more.   Thank you Patrick!

Roberta

On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 1:42:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Several people have described this experience on the list. I've found, as 
> have others, that sometimes you relieve, not only your seat, but your 
> shoulders, arms, and hands by moving the saddle back to get more of an 
> angle between hip and pedals, and let your torso muscles hold more of your 
> torso's weight. 
>
> This happens not only with drops but with bars of all sorts, IME.
>
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[RBW] Re: Gravel and Grind in Frederick MD is closing

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They are an awesome shop with super nice and knowledgeable employees.  

I went there four times from Dec 2016 to Aug 2017--to see what a Rivendell 
bikes was about,  to buy a bike (ended up with Joe A.), to get accessories 
added to Joe, and once for a G&G sponsored ride, where I got to meet some 
great guys from this and the iBob forum board.  I wish them the best and 
will miss them as my "local" (150 miles away) Riv bike store.

Roberta


On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 12:41:41 PM UTC-5, johnb wrote:

> https://gravelandgrind.com/gravel-grind-movin/
>
> Good coffee and a great bike shop. 
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[RBW] I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

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If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a lot 
of you live in the area and would love your input.

Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for business, 
I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be arriving on 
a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm flight 
out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or Oakland 
airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be renting a 
car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no issues using 
BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in Emeryville and that 
would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.

I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
to see it, and how to maximize my time.  

So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.

And, no, I won't be doing any biking.

Thanks,
Roberta

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

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Thanks to all, so far.  I just decided this morning to make the SF 
stop--that will be Feb 25-27.

I probably should have mentioned that I own a Joe Appaloosa (so there IS 
Rivendell content)  and just love it.  The group here, as well as my calls 
to Riv,  helped me with my decision last April and I appreciated all the 
input.  

I do like the idea of staying in SF and doing some hikes there (and the 
Sutro Baths look interesting).  It makes a good use of time.  I went to 
Muir Woods years ago and was just awed by the experience. 

Roberta

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:43:26 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:

> To paraphrase: Walnut Creek is a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want 
> to visit there (other than Riv, and there are a lot of nice hikes on and 
> around Diablo if you want to see Riv's roots). If you want to visit Muir 
> Woods, you now need to make parking reservations or a shuttle reservation. 
> See the Muir Woods website for instructions.
>
> One outing that I highly recommend is walking around the Presidio to see 
> their Andy Goldsworthy collection. They give guided hikes on Saturdays, for 
> which you need reservations, but there is a map here to guide your own walk:
>
> https://www.presidio.gov/places-internal/Shared%20Documents/Goldsworthy-Brochure.pdf
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
>>
>> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
>> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>>
>> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
>> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
>> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
>> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
>> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
>> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
>> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
>> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>>
>> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
>> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
>> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
>> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
>> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
>> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>>
>> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
>> to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
>> traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
>> like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
>> for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
>> has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
>>
>> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

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I just bought 5 credits.  I'll be visiting them next week, so I expect to 
use up all my credits and then some.

Roberta

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:38:03 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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Re: [RBW] How avoid sore throats from riding in cold weather?

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On my last couple of rides, I've been trying Deacon Patrick's suggestion of 
nose breathing.  The issue I've run into is that my nose drips so much that 
I have to stop every couple of minutes to blow it.  Which now gets me to 
wondering... would this perhaps help your post nasal drip, coming out the 
front of your nose rather than the back?  The issue for me, is that 
stopping so much makes the ride less fun.

Deacon Patrick--Do you have this issue?  Does it go away with time and 
experience?   Does it just not bother you?

Roberta

On Saturday, February 24, 2018 at 9:44:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> I talked to a local pharmacist this afternoon, after a nice dirt ride, 
> taking it easy in the blustery, low-40s conditions, to avoid the usual 
> symptom. (Not entirely successfully; have a wee sore throat right now.)
>
> He said that the principal cause is post nasal drip, and that the only 
> remedy for that is an antihistamine, which I don't want to take. He said 
> that zinc is good for the immune system, but not for immediate efficacy 
> against the symptom, and suggested that the best thing for palliation is to 
> gargle with warm, salt water -- which I've been doing; along with keeping 
> my neck warmly wrapped in wool.
>
> Oh, pharmacist also said that honey is good; so bought a 2 lb jar of the 
> stuff. Goes well with lemon (Vit C) and brandy (the universal cure-all, and 
> if it doesn't cure it, it is certainly guaranteed to make it feel better).
>
> Easy Rider (people, post your names, dammit, at least your first names -- 
> I hate talking to wraiths -- it's damed rude!): tell me how the Neti pot 
> helps post nasal drip.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 10:49 AM, EasyRider  > wrote:
>
>> I find using a Neti pot helps with ear nose and throat ailments. My sore 
>> throats are usually related to post nasal drip and a saline rinse helps 
>> clear me out. Absolutely essential for my seasonal allergies too, as it 
>> helps rinse away pollen.
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[RBW] San Francisco, Rivendell and new friends

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A few weeks ago many of you offered suggestions on what to do on my short 
trip to San Francisco.  (Bikes everywhere  I thought Philadelphia was a 
biking town.  Not like it is in the Bay area.)  It was way-too-short a trip 
and didn’t get in half of what I planned.  Highlights were the Japanese Tea 
Garden and the park, the walk across the Golden Gate Bridge, and the 
Streets of San Francisco bike tour (I was so happy to get some biking in).  
Thank 
you to everyone who offered suggestions and bikes to borrow.  I’m planning 
on going back next year and that trip will be longer, so I can get in the 
sites I had to miss.

I visited Rivendell, whose showroom had a few bikes and lots of Joe 
Appaloosas in boxes (there’s many more to the right of the photo that I 
couldn’t get into the shot).  I hope they all sell out fast and make a lot 
of people very happy; I just LOVE mine.  The new blue color is gorgeous and 
as nice as it looks in pictures, it looks even better in person.  I met (in 
order of “hellos”) the dog (I forget his name, but he was a friendly as 
could be), Mark, Roman, and Grant.  I left with a mug for Leah (Bicycle 
Belle Ding Ding!), and noted a few items that I was going to add to my 
on-line shopping cart to ship directly to me once I got home.  The mug is 
beautiful, hefty stoneware and I recommend it; it’s not just another 
typical promotional mug.  I added one to my cart for me, after seeing it in 
person.  I’m so happy that I support a company of this caliber, both in 
quality of products but, especially, in quality of people.   

Lastly, I went to visit my sister in Nevada, who lives in the same town as 
Leah (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!) and she invited me for coffee.  As a bonus 
(for me), she brought her Betty Foy for me to meet in person. What a lovely 
and well-loved bike!  How long can you chat with someone you’ve never met 
before?  Well, over three hours!  I’ve met a few people on the boards (on 
rides and some PMs) and everyone is so friendly and “not weird.”  She is as 
nice in person as she is on the board.  Thanks for the great coffee and 
conversation, Leah! 

So, from about 20 months ago when I had never heard of Rivendell to now, 
I’ve gotten a bike that I love, met new friends and have learned a lot from 
the board.  Thank you, everyone!  

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa: My first Rivendell

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Glad you love your Joe Appaloosa, and hope you'll have many happy miles 
with it.   It's such an awesome ride, isn't it?

Roberta

On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 3:02:35 PM UTC-4, Jonathan wrote:

> Today marks 1000 miles on my Appaloosa that I bought last fall, so I 
> thought I'd make a post about it. It is my first Rivendell. I joined this 
> group right around the time I ordered it. 
>
>
> It's primarily my commuter. I ride to work year round in Milwaukee, in all 
> weather. (I put the Appaloosa away for the winter, though, and rode my old 
> beater with the studded tires.) The roads just got cleaned up enough to get 
> it back out last week. I love this bike. It made me a believer in upright 
> riding. It is such a beautiful, comfortable, useful bike. I love it more 
> than any bike I have ever owned. I love it so much that I ended up ordering 
> a new Canti-Sam frameset to be my long distance road bike, and then a 
> couple weeks ago, I also pre-ordered a Clem L for my wife. 
>
> I bought the bike complete, so it's standard Riv-build, plus racks, bags, 
> and fenders. I swapped the bars soon after I got it for the Chocomoose. 
> Most of my miles are on those bars. Right before the snow hit last fall, I 
> tried a set of Bullmoose bars and really liked them, but didn't get many 
> miles in with them. Then, I picked up a set of "bad angle" Boscomoose bars 
> over the winter, and have been riding those for the past week. I think I 
> like them better than the Chocos, but not sure if these or the Bullmoose 
> will win out in the end... 
>
> I'm excited to put a lot more miles on it this year.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
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> 
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[RBW] Re: Sam and a thousand miles

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I think you and your Sam will have a lot of happy adventures.  

On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 5:36:13 PM UTC-4, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Sam turned over a thousand miles so I thought I would write a little. This 
> isn't my first Riv. I used to have a Bleriot a long time ago so Sam feels a 
> whole lot like my first Riv. Sam is a Riv. build other than my light and 
> the best part is everything works well on this build. I received Sam when I 
> retired from teaching last year and every time I look at my bike I think I 
> am lucky to have such a pretty bike! The beauty is part of the package. The 
> ride is everything I want because I can take it on gravel, dirt, grass and 
> pavement and enjoy it on all surfaces. I have two other bikes but I always 
> choose Sam. Sam has two bags from time to time. Sam has a Sackville small 
> in grey and a large in blue. Normally Sam has a Wald front basket with the 
> medium blue Sackville Shopsack. This is the first bike I have added a light 
> to and I love having light because I feel safer. Sam is a keeper and a 
> lifelong bicycle. Thank you Rivendell for making a Sam that I love and 
> putting it together where I have no worries.
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[RBW] Anyone have a spare Rivendell mug they're willing to part with?

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It IS missing!  Perhaps like a lot of Riv’s items that “seem” expensive, it’s 
not until you see the quality that you get that “ah-ha” moment.   

Leah, mine is still winging its way to me across the country. I hope it gets 
here tomorrow.  I’m glad you like yours.  

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains

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When I got my Joe Appaloosa, I rode it to a bus depot and tested it out on 
the bus front bike carrier and it fit OK.  ALMOST too long, but it did 
fit.  Afterwards, I got fenders on the bike and retested and it was fine (I 
think I'm recalling that correctly), just that I needed to place the hold 
down arm on the fender.  If anyone needs to be sure, I'll be happy to go 
back to a bus depot and retest, take pictures, measure anything you'd 
like.  Septa is my local mass transportation company and you can see the 
bike carrier (it might be the same as on your busses)  on this short video: 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2KIDh7ZDFs   

I haven't loaded my Joe A. on a bus, but I have brought it on a Septa 
regional train.  I was at a stop that didn't have a platform and carrying 
up the three huge steps into the car from the street level was tough.  If I 
need to do that again, I'd ride to a stop with a platform and roll it on.

Roberta

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:22:03 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:

> I commute to work; some days I take the train, some days I ride the whole 
> way. I make sure not to ride the Clementine on train days. This ain't the 
> Bay area & people get annoyed enough by regular sized bikes, I KNOW I would 
> hear it if I took the Clementine on the train! :-O
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[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains

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51cm. 

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 1:20:28 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> Roberta, out of curiosity, what size Joe Appaloosa do you have?
>
> Eamon
>
> On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 8:35:12 AM UTC-7, REC wrote:
>>
>> When I got my Joe Appaloosa, I rode it to a bus depot and tested it out 
>> on the bus front bike carrier and it fit OK.  ALMOST too long, but it did 
>> fit.  Afterwards, I got fenders on the bike and retested and it was fine (I 
>> think I'm recalling that correctly), just that I needed to place the hold 
>> down arm on the fender.  If anyone needs to be sure, I'll be happy to go 
>> back to a bus depot and retest, take pictures, measure anything you'd 
>> like.  Septa is my local mass transportation company and you can see the 
>> bike carrier (it might be the same as on your busses)  on this short video: 
>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2KIDh7ZDFs   
>>
>> I haven't loaded my Joe A. on a bus, but I have brought it on a Septa 
>> regional train.  I was at a stop that didn't have a platform and carrying 
>> up the three huge steps into the car from the street level was tough.  If I 
>> need to do that again, I'd ride to a stop with a platform and roll it on.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:22:03 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>
>>> I commute to work; some days I take the train, some days I ride the 
>>> whole way. I make sure not to ride the Clementine on train days. This ain't 
>>> the Bay area & people get annoyed enough by regular sized bikes, I KNOW I 
>>> would hear it if I took the Clementine on the train! :-O
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains

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I'd be happy to ride to a bus depot this weekend, if no rain or snow, and take 
some measurements at how much addition tray space there is left.  Let me know.

Jonathan D. midway in the current Lower Price Atlantis tread 
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/ww2KxKe9KPE says he 
has a Joe A. and fits in the Portland, OR bus tray.  You could ask him about 
his size bike.  

Roberta 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have a spare Rivendell mug they're willing to part with?

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I had seen this mug on the website, but wouldn't have spent $30 for a mug 
for my self.  A gift for a friend, no problem!  However when I saw how nice 
it was, I sprung for a gift for my self and it sounds like I might have 
gotten the last one.  I noticed something in the wording between the first 
and last lines that I hadn't noticed before.  The first line reads 
"rivendell bicycle works" [sic], the last line reads "rivendell bicycles 
work" [sic].  

The second line is a series of bikes--bike with dog in basket (now known as 
Leah's dog in basket), double top tub, mixte, etc.The graphics are 
around the entire mug, so is good for lefty's as much as right handed 
people (in case Riv orders another batch, some might like to know).

Roberta


On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 2:22:06 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

> +1. I have no use for a Rivendell coffee mug, but I'd buy a Rivendell beer 
> tankard, as long as it were big enough for the normal, righteous, 
> human-scale serving, the British or Imperial Pint, 19 oz and a bit. At 
> least.
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:26 PM, Lum Gim Fong  > wrote:
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>> Maybe they could put out a tankard or flagon this time.
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Re: [RBW] What underseat bags work on sprung Brooks?

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I strap a smallish, inexpensive bag to the seat rails and keep my fix-it 
items in there.  A Carradice Zipped Roll on the saddle bag loops would work 
(would also probably work strapped to the rails).

Another option is to put a roll tool bag or a water bottle filled with 
tools in a water cage.  I was thinking about putting my tools in a water 
bottle cage located on the underside of my down tube.  Out of the way and 
they will stay dry.

Roberta

On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 9:08:27 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:

> Yeah anything that doesn’t hook underneath the saddle too much, and sits 
> off the rear is good. The carradice style bags all work and the banana bags 
> are good too. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS:Handsome Cycles Cromoly She Devil 55cm Anthracite Mixte New Tange headset Sugino BB Riv like

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Awesome ending!  I’m sure NYC’s bike theft problem is worse than here. 

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> On Feb 23, 2020, at 8:20 PM, 'hobie' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I was a bike messenger in NYC late 70's early 80's. Bike theft was very high 
> back then. I once had a beat up single speed that was stolen. Then a week 
> later I saw it loosely locked up to a stand pipe at Macy's Hearld Square. 
> Guess what happened next?
> 
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 8:15:54 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>> Philadelphia. It’s a high bike theft city. 
>> 
>> I just got a third ULock so now I’m finally willing to do so.  2 Arbus 
>> granite locks and a Kryptonite NY one. The locks weigh about the same as 
>> than the bike!😊. I’m still not willing to do that with my Rivs yet.   
>> Perhaps in the suburbs.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

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I hope you son is ok!  Not a time to get a nail in a foot. 

The name of the thread is “30 days of biking!” and I’m  interpreting that to 
mean 30 rides in 30 days. Reality is though that I probably get 5 out of 7 
days. Work, weather, fatigue gets in the way.  When I miss a day I try to get 
on two rides within the next day or two to make up for it. 

However, what I have promised myself (and am doing )is “something” every day, 
and that “something “ when not riding  is walking.   So, if for some reason I 
don’t get on my bike one day, I will be taking a longer than usual walk. Some 
lucky days I get both. 

It’s 53* out now and my Joe Appaloosa is calling to me. 

Roberta 

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> On Apr 11, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Nathan Mattia  wrote:
> 
> 
> On my Tuesday ride the center-rear fender bolt went AWOL (thankfully, only a 
> block from home).  
> I try to keep up appearances and all, but I am discovering it to be difficult 
> with the Riv-Nation
> 
> For one, in this 30-day quest, I’m only averaging about every other day, even 
> in the midst of the Co-Ro Shutdown.  Some of that is just life getting in the 
> way, like this bolt, or a long day in the Urgent Care/ER with my son and a 
> nail in his foot, or the stupid weather, which was much to windy for my 
> tastes earlier in the week.
> Anyways, here’s Sam in his  own Urgent Care at my LBS (doing curb-side 
> repairs!). They removed the back fender and ordered a clamp which should be 
> in next week.  The Tech That Built Sam up commented “Oh yeah, I remember we 
> weren’t working with a lot of thread on that bolt”.
> <5DCE135F-BFCA-4B23-B563-B4B9A1ADE40F.jpeg>
> 
> 
> I’m also discovering that most of you have significantly more positive 
> relationships with your cameras, both in your use of them and their view of 
> you.
> I believe this image from yesterday’s ride illustrates both points handily.  
> Yikes.
> 
> <718419D6-4E16-42E6-B15F-93CD04CCDF15.jpeg>
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> 
> 
>> On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:11:11 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> We need some fun threads in these trying times. COVID-19 has taken a lot, 
>> but it can’t have everything. Most of us live in places where biking is 
>> still considered safe during a pandemic. As long as that’s the case, the 
>> wheels of my beautiful blue Clem will be rolling, eating up the miles in a 
>> lovely Nevada spring. 
>> 
>> Post your 30 days of biking photos of you with your Rivendell here! I’ll go 
>> first. I missed Day 1, but I have the Apple Watch workout to prove I rode. I 
>> found some new protected trails, all blacktop, and had a blast. My family 
>> was happy to be rid of me - between the conference calls my husband was 
>> having and the school Zoom sessions my sons were attending, my banging 
>> around in the kitchen was irritating all of them. Day 2 took me to the 
>> drive-up window of the bank. Not terribly exciting, but the sun felt so good 
>> and the errand was necessary. I love doing errands by bike!
>> 
>> There are lots of people out on bikes right now; I want to tell them it’s 30 
>> Days of Biking so they can work towards the goal, too. Sadly, most of the 
>> kids I’ve seen are on bikes one size too small, at least. Also, most of the 
>> kids are wobbly and don’t appear confident; biking is not something they do 
>> often, I’d guess. But maybe we’ll make some new converts out of them anyway.
>> 
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

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I remember!  You had to push it up killer hill. Not a fun day for you. We at 
the RBW board got a good story from you about it 


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> On Apr 11, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

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Thanks, Steve!

I knew and gave her some of this info but not all of it. I’ll forward your 
message to her. 

Her bike is a cheap ill fitting step through, with barely enough room to get 
her leg through the low top tube (very short effective TT).   The seat post was 
nearly slammed. Leah and I had her raise it and get the saddle set at a better 
angle. She did get to ride Leah’s Clem H and after going just 25’ remarked how 
much nicer it was. She did have sticker shock when we told her she could get a 
good deal on a used Clem L. 

Well, to be honest, it took me some time to get over the investment $$ also. 
I’m ever so glad I did!  

Roberta  


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> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> Where on the tube is the puncture?  If it's rim-side, check for misaligned 
> rim tape.  If it's tire-side, look for something embedded in the tire.  
> Nearly invisible wires can get stuck inside a tire, repeatedly causing 
> punctures in the same place.  This is one reason you always align the valve 
> with the label, so you can match up the hole in the tube with the tire.  In 
> the case of an embedded wire, sometimes the only way you can see it is if you 
> flex the tire inside out and shine a bright light tangentially to the surface.
> 
> On 4/11/20 6:57 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>> If that rear tire keeps flatting I wonder about the rim tape. Do you 
>> remember when I got new tires on my Betty and the rear tire flatted on my 
>> way home from school? The shop realized the tape wasn’t quite right and that 
>> allowed the rim or whatever to flat the tire. They fixed it, easy. She may 
>> have to take it to a real mechanic (and good luck finding one, just kidding, 
>> REI should be ok for that) so I’m off the hook! 🤣
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We’ll have to change the thread name to add “NOT” to the end!
>>> 
>>> Leah, Debbie had another flat tire today. She called me while walking her 
>>> bike back home. Perhaps you can earn that badge fixing her flat.  And, 
>>> there’s bonus points— it’s the rear tire!
>>> 
>>> Just kidding, of course, but she really did have another flat. For those 
>>> who don’t  know , Leah, my sister Debbie, and I went in two bike rides when 
>>> I was visiting Debbie in March (Debbie and Leah live in the same town), and 
>>> Debbie had a two  flats then too. We must have missed the puncture-causing  
>>> item inside the tube.   We did though learn the wisdom of first turning the 
>>> bike upside down as she had no bike work stand. 
>>> 
>>> Roberta 
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Re: [RBW] Lighten Up: Clem Edition

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Yes, I swapped my saddle and removed my Carradice Junior bag. It was still 
heavy but so much better. 


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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

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If you purchase your bike or take delivery physically in ca you will need to 
pay sales tax. If you order it online and you have it ship to you, you will 
only pay sales tax if they have an employee in NV. 

I cannot imagine  you seeing and riding it in CA and not taking it with you 
when you’d leave!  You’d have Mixte withdrawal symptoms for a week until it 
shows up in NV

I’d probably fly in to make my purchase decision and it would be so cool to go 
on rides with others from the board!!  They would all come out to visit 
with you. 

Roberta

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> On May 9, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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> 
> Back to the Anniversary Mixte again. I have all these plans and ideas 
> for/about this bike, and one of them was that a bunch of us could arrange to 
> pick up our bikes on the same day and do a group ride and take group photos, 
> and wouldn’t we be darling? 
> 
> But it occurs to me that if out-of-staters pick up their bikes at Rivendell, 
> we may have to pay CA sales tax. Does anyone know for sure? If I pay with my 
> credit card via phone or website, and I pick up the bike in person, do I have 
> to pay sales tax? That would be hundreds of dollars, I would imagine...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pitted German mirror and possible WTB the mirror

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Friend,  

Congratulations on the clementine L!   It looks like a most awesome bike and 
nearly everyone who has one loves it. 

For the pitting, imagine pin marks (pricks) all over mirror. The mirror is 
silver and the pricks are dark grey, the same color as the road, so makes it 
harder to see. I’ll be home later and will post a pic. 

Perhaps I live in a more polluted area (scary). Maybe I should move to Atlanta, 
where everyone is nice. 😊


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> On Aug 14, 2019, at 6:34 PM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> Ditto on the pitting question. I've used the German mirror on two of my Rivs 
> for the past 4-5 years and they're still in fine condition.
> 
> Thanks very much,
> Rich in ATL
> 
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:12:39 PM UTC-4, Friend wrote:
>> So much action to follow!  Any more mirrors available?  Also could use one 
>> for a Clem L that's on the way.  And what do ya'll mean by pitted?
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 4:30:42 PM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>>> This group is the BEST!
>>> 
>>> I was able to secure one right after I posted this from someone who was 
>>> quick on the PM email response! 
>>> 
>>> I hope everyone can get the mirror of his dreams!  :)  I'm unhappy about 
>>> the pitting, but it is an elegant looking mirror.
>>> 
>>> Thank you to ALL.  Thank you to Joe.
>>> 
>>> Roberta
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 10:23:00 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>> Roberta, yes they get pitted, it's kind of annoying. I have two I'm not 
>>>> using, if you email me I'll hook you up with one for, say, $15 shipped?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pitted German mirror and possible WTB the mirror

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Thanks, Erl.

Mine looks similar but worse. You can especially see the marks in the 
reflection on my hand and on the white sheet. Looking directly, they are hard 
to see. 

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> On Aug 14, 2019, at 7:57 PM, WETH  wrote:
> 
> I have two. The one I have used did for many years commuting in all weather 
> looks pitted; irremovable spots. Hopefully attached images gives a sense.
> Not sure this is what the original poster’s mirror looks like.
> Erl
> 
> Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 6:34:49 PM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>> Ditto on the pitting question. I've used the German mirror on two of my Rivs 
>> for the past 4-5 years and they're still in fine condition.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks very much,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 5:12:39 PM UTC-4, Friend wrote:
>> So much action to follow!  Any more mirrors available?  Also could use one 
>> for a Clem L that's on the way.  And what do ya'll mean by pitted?
>> 
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2019 at 4:30:42 PM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>> 
>> This group is the BEST!
>> 
>> 
>> I was able to secure one right after I posted this from someone who was 
>> quick on the PM email response!  
>> 
>> 
>> I hope everyone can get the mirror of his dreams!  :)  I'm unhappy about the 
>> pitting, but it is an elegant looking mirror.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you to ALL.  Thank you to Joe.
>> 
>> 
>> Roberta
>> 
>> On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 10:23:00 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:Roberta, 
>> yes they get pitted, it's kind of annoying. I have two I'm not using, if you 
>> email me I'll hook you up with one for, say, $15 shipped?
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Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me 54.5 MIT A. Homer Hilsen

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Thank you,Shoji. 

The mirror you sent me is on my Joe Appaloosa, which I love. So very kind of 
you.   Thank you. 

I know it’s a bit of a trip , but I hope to meet you in Minnewaska this 
Saturday.   Will you be there?

Roberta. 


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> On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
> 
> Wonderful, Roberta!
> 
> I love my Toyo Homer, though I'm curious how the longer chain stay MIT Homer 
> rides.
> 
> Tailwinds, Shoji 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 7:38:54 PM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>> In June, I bought a 54.5 MIT A. Homer Hilsen from RBW member Phil K.  ( 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bLEiFQYqK0c ) as a 
>> lighter alternative to my very beloved, much accessorized, and heavy-ish Joe 
>> Appaloosa, which lives at my home in the city.  The AHH is at my office for 
>> after work rides (replacing a 90's Specialized Crossroads), and for travels 
>> where a lighter bike is better for lifting and maneuverability, like in my 
>> car or on a train. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From Phil’s list:
>> 
>> - MIT AHH frameset
>> - Bottom bracket
>> - Headset
>> - Seatpost
>> - Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters
>> - Nitto Albatross heat- treated aluminum handlebars
>> - Nitto Tallux stem
>> - Shimano brake levers
>> - Paul Component funky monkey front brake hanger
>> - Nitto Reneherse rinko rear cable hanger
>> - Paul Component Racer centermount brakes (pair)
>> - Paul Component polished silver moon unit cable yokes (pair)
>> - Riv Silver crankset wide low 38/24 170mm arms
>> - B&M IQ- XS dyno front light
>> - B&M toplight line small tail light
>> - B&M bracket for saddle rail for tail light (allows taillight to be 
>> attached to saddle rails)
>> - Sheldon fender nuts (pair)
>> - Nitto lamp bracket right side
>> - XT Cassette 11- 32 9 speed
>> - XT rear derailleur 772 9 speed
>> - Shimano front derailleur
>> - SRAM chain
>> - Wheelset -  Pacenti Brevet Rims 32h (front and rear), DT double butted 
>> spokes, front hub is SP dynamo hub, rear hub is White Industries T11
>> - Schwalbe lightweight tire tubes
>> - Panaracer Pasela folding bead (65bx42)
>> - Paul Component quick release skewers (pair)
>> - Jagwire & shimano cabling and housing
>>  
>> 
>> I raised the handlebars, so new cables and grip re-wrap, and added a few 
>> items.   My goal was to keep it as light as possible so I could lift it, 
>> while keeping it practical for my needs.   To make it more portable inside 
>> the car and to keep weight off, I didn’t add fenders.   I did add:
>> 
>>  
>> - Selle Anatomica NSX1 saddle
>> - Touring pedals from Doug Peterson, fellow RBW member.  His wife has the 
>> same pedals on her Atlantis and they are as good as he said they’d be.  I 
>> might even change my Joe A. pedals with spikes to these.  It was wonderful 
>> doing business with Doug. 
>> - Dia Compe water bottle cages
>> - Blackburn rack
>> - Carradice Barley saddlebag
>> - Nittany Mountain Works Manything bag for my 32 oz. insulated water bottle.
>> - Defary removable kickstand
>> - Riv reflector mini triangle and Riv reflectors for wheels
>> - Chrome Crane bell
>> - German mirror
>>  
>> The Nittany Mountain bag 
>> https://nittanymountainworks.com/collections/bike-bags/products/anything- 
>> bag .  You choose your colors for the body (40 colors), skirt, and webbing.  
>> There is a vertical strip of webbing to attach it to the stem, though it’s 
>> hard to see in the picture. The first bag they sent was sewn slightly too 
>> small for my 32 oz. water bottle.  They sent me a replacement and told me to 
>> keep the first one for phone, wallet, and whatnot.EXCELLENT customer 
>> service, raw materials as organic and MUSA as they can source them, and all 
>> bike and climbing items are made their PA solar powered manufacturing plant. 
>>  Their parent company is www.organicclimbing.com and have some interesting 
>> videos of their company and solar powered plant on their site. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Defary removable kickstand https://www.amazon.com/Defary- Removable- 
>> Kickstand- Stainless- Material/dp/B074T8V8PH .  I did not like having a bike 
>> without a kickstand.  Lighter than a standard kickstand and it works well 
>> without sagging.  It comes with an almost undetectable mounting clip 
>> co-mounted with the water bottle cage to place the stand when not in use.  
>> In my pic, it’s on the non- drive side seat post water bottl

Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[REC]

Will do!  I was leaning towards that. Thank you. 


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> On Sep 19, 2019, at 8:32 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles 
> <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Roberta!  Stop at the visitor center first to grab your day permit and 
> then head to the ride start (Minnewaska).  Be sure to get there by 10am so 
> you’re sure to get a parking spot.
> 
> 😊
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[RBW] Three 55cm and No 51cm Appaloosas Left

[REC]

I asked Roman to clarify something from Grant's blog about only three 
Appaloosas left, and this was his reply:  
 

"Grant was referring to 55cm Appaloosa completes. That being said and I'm 
sorry to say, we're totally sold out of 51cm Appaloosa framesets and 
completes. Almost all of them were preordered and the remaining few went 
faster than we could imagine (even oversold).

 
The next order of Appaloosas is a ways out."

 
So, if you want a 55cm one, you'd better order soon.
 
Roberta

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

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>
> Yes, Patrick, it should be an "it," being an inanimate object. Can I love 
> an inanimate object?   I always admire people with exceptional language 
> skills; mine are OK, but math was always stronger for me.


Chris, yes, this was the one on their floor and it was already built up 
with the saddle and grips.  I live in downtown Philadelphia, about halfway 
between the NY and MD dealers, and I did not want to drive to NY if I had 
an option to drive to MD.  Plus, G&G had 12-15 built up Rivs to test, so I 
got to test all three in my size.  

The magenta tape that Tracy suggested is officially called violet, in case 
anyone wants that color.  I'm really liking the contrast between that and 
the mustard color (I think I'll start calling it butterscotch--sounds 
nicer) of the bike.  I also think that the silver and grey accessories will 
lighten the look even more.

I'll be taking it back to be adjusted and the accessorized in 2-4 weeks.  
I'll post more pictures then.

About the sits-bones and lower back--I'm used to sore sits bones in the new 
season, but I never had a sore lower back.  My sits-bones are fine today, 
but my lower back still hurts a little.  Is this normal?  This is my first 
leather saddle, B17; my others were gel and I liked them just fine.  

Thank you all!

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

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>
> Thanks again.  My sits-bones are OK today; I'm used to that "new to the 
>> saddle after months off"  feeling, so I knew what that was.  My back is 
>> hurting, but getting better.   I do have weak core muscles that Belopsky 
>> mentioned might be an issue.  I can work on that.
>>
>
Also, yes, I am sitting a bit more upright on this bike.  I think I'll keep 
riding and by the time I get back to the dealer in 2-4 weeks, I should know 
if I need a new saddle,  or if it was just my body needing to adjust.

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

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Bob,

The silver is a lovely color (the one I lusted for...) and the bike looks 
beautiful  Do you notice a difference in riding feel between the 
Cambium C17 and the leather B17?Also, how do you like the titanium 
lock?I had read some good things about it.  

As my father would say "ride it in good health!"

Roberta

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 2:48:50 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:

> Even though I am still figuring out some crankset/BB issues on a preferred 
> set-up, I could not stand it and built the bike up and went riding!  This 
> is very much the beta release, though the basics are certainly there.  It 
> will, I think, end up with Berthoud fenders, racks (Tubus Cosmo rear, Nitto 
> 27f up front), a B&M LED mounted to the front rack (all from the last of 
> the nice parts stash) and maybe even, at some point, a fancy Rivendell 
> saddle bag?! 
>
> Current build:
> Mavic A719 rims, SON front hub, Phil rear, older but very nice 8-speed 
> (12-32) cassette, Schwalbe Mondial tires (700x45 (marked 700x47))
> Nitto Bullmoose bars, Tektro City brake levers, Silver shifters mounted on 
> Paul Thumbies, Ergon GP1 cork grips
> Old school XT derailleurs
> Brooks Cambium C17 saddle - slate
> Currently XT M770 triple mountain crankset - eventually will be Sugino AT 
> triple
>
> I love it!!  These words do not come easily but I do believe this is my 
> last real bike and build.  It seems my knee is checking out before the rest 
> of me so the ongoing succession of bikes I have had will slow or end here. 
>  But here, with the Appaloosa as the last, that seems much better than it 
> could be.
>
> Impressions so far...
>
> At times it seems like a big bike, especially when getting it out the 
> door(!), as it is longer and wider than some other bikes.  But standover is 
> perfect though I am accustomed to big bikes.  This is a 58cm and I have a 
> pbh of ~89cm for reference.  I would never be able to ride 62cm though, at 
> least not with the larger tires these bikes call out for.  That said, at 
> times it seems small as well, as it is light on its feet and very 
> maneuverable even at slow speeds and great for exploring.  The Bullmoose 
> bars help with that I think but I have to say I was surprised to find the 
> bars so,  well, relaxed!  I would have thought they would feel a little 
> more aggressive down as low as they go but they are about level with the 
> saddle and feel a little higher than that.  The Appaloosa is just designed 
> to get the bars up high without craziness.  A Nitto stem with other bars 
> could probably lower things if needed, not that I need.  My other preferred 
> bars these days are MAP/Ahearne's but I am not so sure they would be much 
> different than the Bullmoose though experiments are always possible.  I am 
> only guessing but I also believe I could ride this bike with drop bars if I 
> decided (probably with a dirt drop stem), again not that I think I will. 
>  Good to have options and ways to experiment though.
>
> One thing that really worked out well, at least for the moment, is the 
> 8-speed shifting with the Paul Thumbie mounted Silver shifters.  They just 
> work perfectly, intuitively, and beg the question on how shifting could be 
> any easier.  I have always been a friction shifting guy but these take it 
> all to a new level perfect for what I wanted.  For reference I am using 
> the special base adapters for using the Silver shifters with the Thumbies.
>
> Anyway, like I said, this is only the first, get it on the road, build. 
>  Apologies for the far less than great pictures as well... more to come and 
> better I hope.  I am lucky enough to have a very special Cheviot as well, 
> so one day I will get pictures of that bike up to Flickr. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/21182339@N05/albums/72157682579281726
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
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Re: [RBW] Re: kindness

[REC]

It is refreshing to come to this forum and have intelligent and mature 
conversations, without rude comments that don't add anything to the 
discussion.  As a new member who doesn't know too much about bikes, 
everyone has been so helpful and supportive to me and others.  And, Sky has 
introduced me to singer/songwriter Jack Johnson.   I thank you all.

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: FS: Four Irish Straps

[REC]

Mike,
PM sent.
Roberta

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 7:08:32 PM UTC-4, Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Spring cleaning turned up four Irish Straps I don't remember purchasing. 
> One of them is cut shorter than the rest.
>
> $20 shipped CONUS.
>
> Pics here: https://goo.gl/photos/Ctf9j2poMQ4d3Hhk9
>

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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day

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I loved your story and it gave much needed laughter.   Thank you!  
 However, take care of yourself so that you may write, and we may enjoy, 
more stories.   I liked Pano's suggestion of using a water bottle spray.  
I've never traveled with pepper spray.

Garrison Keillor, on an episode of A Prairie Home Companion so many years 
ago (and I know that I'm crazily paraphrasing) said,  "there are no bad 
experiences; it's all material."  I use that expression a lot during my, 
hum... daily material.

Roberta




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[RBW] Re: ChocoMoose question

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Timothy,

I'm in CC and have them on my Appaloosa, if you'd like to see them in 
person we can meet.

Roberta

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 4:25:32 PM UTC-4, Timothy Hurley wrote:

> Hello all,
>Does anyone have experience with ChocoMoose bars on a Sam? I'm 
> wondering if the grip area sits level or tilts slightly downward. They seem 
> like my ideal bars, but it's a big investment without being able to test 
> them out. Any opinions or thoughts would be helpful. Thank your!
>
>
>   -T.J. in Philadelphia 
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[RBW] Re: Sam and I

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Many happy rides on your new Sam. 

>
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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Short Jaunts and Appaloosas

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Your ride sounds wonderful.  I'm doing one whenever it's not raining on the 
weekends. I'm also starting to take my "use it or loose it" vacation days 
based on the weather, just so I can go on a longish, "wherever it takes me" 
midweek ride.  I've had my Appaloosa for just two weeks and now understand 
what I've been reading about on this board for the last 6 months. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Siren Call of Sapphire Shopsacks

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The blue is BEAUTIFUL  I do think you need a bike patch on the bag.

On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 5:39:14 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> ***hearts coming out of eyes*
>
> Even more beautiful than shown on the website!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Siren Call of Sapphire Shopsacks

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I agree with John--don't iron the patch on the bag--only stitch it.

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 1:25:31 PM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I wouldn't suggest trying to iron it on.  I tried to patch a Grabsack that 
> way.  The hot iron discolored the waxed canvas.  
>
> John
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The Siren Call of Sapphire Shopsacks

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So stylish!  I love it!


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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

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If grips were already shellacked (and now needs new layer), can one apply 
varnish over it, or best to stick with shellac? 

Roberta

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 7:25:44 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

> Varnish is better for cork grips - it's flexible and will never exfoliate 
> - 6-7 thin coats
>
>
> Shellac is for twine wraps - 2 coats
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Red Rosco

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I'm sorry to hear that.  Where was the bike located?  Are you on the web 
bike registration page?  I don't remember the URL, but someone here 
commented that some dealers/people will check that site.  Perhaps a 
knowledgeable someone can add the site URL.

Roberta

On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 12:05:34 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:

> Mine was stolen on April 21st, if anyone sees a Red Rosco with copper 
> colored fenders let me know.
> Eli, could you contact me? I have a question about serial #s!

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Re: [RBW] Leah's Bicycle Bus! (and question)

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That's a great idea and I hope so.  Do they want to wait until someone is 
hurt to stop this, especially when it's not an isolated instance?
Roberta

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 8:15:41 PM UTC-4, Ray Varella wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, are there any traffic cameras or security cameras 
> that can put this guy behind the wheel?
> You won't get him for DUI but you may be able to put some pressure on the 
> police to get him for some sort of wreckless endangerment. 
>
> Ray
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[RBW] Re: Hub Area Bags and Hub Area Racks

[REC]

H  I think that I watched it but couldn't find it.  someone did 
explain it to me. but I haven't done this on my own yet.

Start with a Surly Junk Strap inside your bag.   Let's say you're starting 
with the right grommet.
Thread the strap through the grommet to the outside the bag, around the 
horizontal rack rod (I'm sorry, I don't know what it's called exactly.  
It's the rod that you would "clip" a pannier to) and back into the bag. 
Thread the strap through left grommet and out the grommet, around the 
horizontal rack rod and back into the back into the bag.
Secure the strap into the buckle inside the bag.

Roberta



On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 10:19:16 AM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Somewhere, I recall seeing photos or a video of how to attach hub area 
> bags to hub area racks. Despite the magic of google, I am unable to locate 
> this. Does anyone happen to have a photo or video of how they attached 
> their hub area bags to hub area racks?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Appaloosa

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I hope you enjoy may happy hours on the bike.  I got mine a month ago and 
feel the same.

William R. (Bill in Westchester NY) said "So happy am I with it, it has 
become my only bike."  There's another thread on RBW that discussed how 
many is the optimum number of bikes.  I agree with Bill--perhaps just one 
and it's the Appaloosa.

Happy biking!

Roberta

On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 8:10:03 PM UTC-4, Andrew Huston wrote:

> Thanks to John at Rivelo, I was able to snag the elusive 51 Joe.  Today I 
> have the finished product and could not be happier with how it turned out. 
> More cruiser-ish than I may have anticipated but smooth, so smooth. With 
> some historical difficulty with the sizing scheme, this seems to be 
> perfect.  Pretty stinkin' excited.  
>
> https://flic.kr/p/UUoL4q
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[RBW] Re: 62cm Appaloosa

[REC]

I especially like the contrasting black posts/saddle/handlebars.  Looking 
forward to your touring picture.

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 10:45:54 AM UTC-4, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> I just received my new 62cm Appaloosa. I have been on a dozen very short 
> rides to dial in the small changes I have made to the complete build (most 
> of them unnecessary, but nonetheless a satisfying response to my bike OCD 
> and my pathological need to tinker). I tried the Albatross bar for a couple 
> of days, but I am 6'5" with a long upper body, and it was just too 
> upright--and standing to climb felt cramped and narrow. The bar is now a 
> Soma Osprey, which is 710mm wide and feels perfect. I've long been a fan of 
> Avid Single Digits and had a set in the parts bin, so a put those on, as 
> well. Just  Waiting on some 700 x 44 Compass Tires, which I will run with 
> tire liners. That will be anathema to some, but I regularly ride a stretch 
> of highway, and I've had good luck with this system in the past. Planning 
> some light touring this summer in the Yukon and Alaska, and looking forward 
> to riding this bike. Today I will get out for a long ride and see how it 
> feels after two or three hours in the saddle. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Shopsack cleaning

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How about starting with Deacon Patricks method "it'll dry and flake off" 
and then vacuum it with vacuum with upholstery attachment?

Roberta 

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 12:33:10 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Hi have a tan shopsack that's dirty, even by my low, low standards. Can 
> anyone recommend a method of cleaning? Thanks in advance.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

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I'm not that knowledgeable about bikes in particular, but the hung is your 
"favorite"  and it's obvious from your follow up replies that  it brings 
you so much joy.  I wouldn't sell anything that brings that much 
happiness.  After that, you can decide if the Sam (no more monetary layout) 
or the Atlantis or another bike would be a good 2nd.  

I have one of those wall leaning bike racks, so I can store two bikes in 
the space of one in a narrow breezeway.  Both are available any time I want 
to ride AND I get an upper body workout putting a bike on the top tier.  :)

When I was selling, I'd say "buy what you love."  In this case, I say "keep 
what you love."  It will cost you less in the long run AND make you happier 
AND with some creative storage solutions, give you space.

Congratulations on the new baby.

Roberta

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 9:55:17 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:

> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: feeler for 51cm Sam Hillborne, 55 Cheviot, 55 or 58 Betty Foy, Roscoe Bubbe or similar bikes

[REC]

 Hello, everyone.
I'm sending out feeler for the price of a used 51cm Sam Hillborne, 55cm 
Cheviot, 55cm or 58cm Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Mixte, Atlantis--but I think I 
won't be able to afford one, even if used-- (or any bikes similar to ones 
on this list), with standard Rivendell builds or Rivendell-like builds.   
Albatross, 
Choco bars, or similar (no drop bars).   Needs to be able to mount a 38 
(anywhere from 35-40 is OK) wide tire.   Needs to be complete bike, but I'm 
OK if you want to sell sans saddle or pedals.My PBH is 83cm.

I’m not looking for perfect looking or fancy—I don’t need racks (but I 
wouldn’t say no to a rear rack), fenders, or anything else that would make 
the bike look “expensive.”  In fact, the more plain-Jane, the better.   90% 
of my rides are on asphalt.  The roads aren't well maintained.

Background:  This is to be a 2nd bike, one that I keep at my office for my 
hour-ish after work rides to replace my early '90s hybrid.   My bike at 
home is a new Joe Appaloosa that I ride on the weekends and I LOVE IT  I’d 
like this second bike to be a little different than the Appaloosa and less 
flashy, so I’d feel comfortable should I need to lock during a ride stop.

If anyone has a bike he/she is possibly interested in selling, could you do 
a Private Reply and let me know what you have and about how much you’re 
looking for.  I don’t need pictures and I won’t hold you to the number.  I’m 
just trying to figure out if I have the budget for a second, albeit used, 
Rivendell.   I see the CL prices, but I don't know if they are what the 
bikes actually sell for.

There have been a few wonderful members here who have offered frames to me 
at great prices and I deeply appreciate their offers, but I cannot build a 
bike, and getting a bike shop to do it will make it unaffordable to me.  

Thanks so much.

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: New Cheviot Day

[REC]

They (the bike and the view) look beautiful.   The bike looks so "natural" 
in the setting, too

Ride well!
Roberta

On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 3:25:55 PM UTC-4, adam leibow wrote:

> Hey RBW GG!
>
> I got a new Cheviot on Friday, built and rode on Saturday (yesterday). I 
> love how the frame and the paul racer's clear the 50mm Schwalbes. Going to 
> use this as a moderate mountain shredder klunker and commuter. It 
> complements my Hunqapillar and four other non-rivendell bikes. I officially 
> have too many bikes (so what). Pictured halfway down Bernal Heights Park or 
> Bernal Hill in SF just before golden hour or whatever. 
>
> The crank situation is messed up because the non-driveside matching 
> Ritchey crankarm has a ruined taper, so I'm using a different one that has 
> a different Q-factor. Also the crank arm hits the front derailer when it's 
> in the big ring. Two problems I will solve if you have some Sugino XD2 arms 
> in 175mm to offer me. I also need a wider BB. 
>
> Build highlights include:
> Bullmoose bars with Oury Moto Grips
> Paul Racer Center Pulls
> Schwalbe big ben's in cream 700Cx50mm. 
> MKS Sneaker Pedals
>
> Thanks for looking. 
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sharing a few photos of my Sam with Albatross bars

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Beautiful!  Happy riding.

Roberta

On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 7:49:34 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:

> Hey All, Wanted to share a few photos to show off my Sam with the 
> Albatross set up. So far I really like them. This was also my first ride 
> with an incredibly awesome saddle bag made by Makeshifter Canvas Works from 
> Portland, OR. 
> https://goo.gl/photos/BejKUhvrGdmBAAQo6
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem in the raw

[REC]

You can see it on Grant's Clem--the first Clem picture.  
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/grants-staff-bikes

On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 7:19:08 AM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Those brazes ons are for an integrated lock, like this one:
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/accessories/products/axa-victory-frame-lock
>
> Eric
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Julian Westerhout  > wrote:
>
>> And what are the braze-ons on the back of the seat stays for? 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 8:33:01 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, good catch, Keith. Is this some kinda Rosco experiment with CLEM 
>>> bendy stays and decals? Hmm...
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Century

[REC]

What a wonderful accomplishment!  When I'm thinking I don't feel like going 
on a ride (yes, sometimes I'd rather just sit back), I will be thinking of 
you.
Roberta

On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 8:07:30 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> In which thunderstorm updrafts give head winds coming and going but not 
> enough rain to don a jacket. Oh, and my first century since my bludgeoned 
> brain. That’s been a long time coming! Plus, victory strawberry smoothy 
> surprise from my wife upon returning home! Sweet!
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-century
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike computer

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I used to have Cateye brand computer on my non-Riv bike (I'm only 2 months 
in on a Joe A.), and found it helpful--it pushed me when I was slowing 
down, for example, because I could SEE how slow I was going,  However, now 
I can "know" the same thing without the computer; I feel it.

Also, it's more fun to just ride as I feel and look around than just down 
to my computer.  I must admit, though, that I do turn on Strava at the 
beginning of the ride and check it when I think it's time to turn around to 
start home.  I have my mile markers (10 miles, 15 miles) so I really don't 
need to check it if I'm on a familiar route.  Interesting in that I'm not 
going any slower now, but a little faster  (OK, Strava does tell me that 
and I do look at the end of the ride...) 

Roberta

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 1:55:28 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:

> What do you use for a bike computer if anything at all? In my past cycling 
> life I wouldn't think about leaving the house without my Garmin and a HRM. 
> These days more often than not I simply don't bother with the Garmin. I 
> must say it's pretty liberating. I've contemplated going back to a plain 
> old bike computer that is simple to use and just keeps track of time and 
> distance. Since I no longer have a desire to upload my rides online I 
> wonder if a simple computer is best or maybe I don't even need one at all? 
> Curious to know what other list members are doing.

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Re: [RBW] Bike computer

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Does either Strava or Cyclometer or any of the others reverse your trip 
with verbal or turn by turn "written" directions--perhaps I missed it?  
Right now, I only go exactly where I know I can backtrack, so I don't get 
lost.  Or, do you use Google Maps or Waze for directions?  Road directions, 
though, could be different than MUP directions for a return trip.

Thanks,
Roberta


On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 5:57:10 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

>
> ...If I get lost and need the GPS for directions, that's a good time to 
> stop and pay attention to the screen anyway.  
>
> that's just me
>
> BL in EC
>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bike computer

[REC]

Thanks, Bill and Patrick.  That's what I thought...  I wanted to make sure 
I didn't miss anything.

Bill, I also thought of needing an app called I-breadcrumbs, more for 
getting back out of a hiking trail--you know how they can branch off. 

Roberta

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 6:42:14 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Roberta
>
> I don't know if any of the apps spit out a reverse cue sheet based on 
> where you rode or give you turn by turn directions to take you home after 
> you've rambled yourself lost.  I would name the app "i-breadcrumbs".  
>
> When I stop to look at the screen to find my way, I'm using the screen as 
> a paperless map, just like I would have done with a paper map.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 3:29:00 PM UTC-7, REC wrote:
>>
>> Does either Strava or Cyclometer or any of the others reverse your trip 
>> with verbal or turn by turn "written" directions--perhaps I missed it?  
>> Right now, I only go exactly where I know I can backtrack, so I don't get 
>> lost.  Or, do you use Google Maps or Waze for directions?  Road directions, 
>> though, could be different than MUP directions for a return trip.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 5:57:10 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ...If I get lost and need the GPS for directions, that's a good time to 
>>> stop and pay attention to the screen anyway.  
>>>
>>> that's just me
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Model - Newsletter

[REC]

" not being able to get an orange Sam or a green/silver Appaloosa for at 
least 648 days "

I read this as those colors might not be available for those models, not 
that the models are going away.  The Appaloosa was such a swift seller (and 
loved by many, including me), I cannot imaging not bringing in more "soon."

On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:

> I'm kind of surprised that no one has mentioned the comment in the May 30 
> newsletter about not being able to get an orange Sam or a green/silver 
> Appaloosa for at least 648 days BUT that something in the middle might be 
> replacing them next year.  Having a bike between a Sam and a Joe seems to 
> be splitting a finer line but I'm stoked to see what they come with (or 
> maybe come up with).  I recently bought a silver 51 Joe and it has really 
> calmed down my bike buying desires because it is just so good.  I have a 
> Sam, Joe, Cheviot, San Marcos , Rosco Mountain Mixte on order and a 
> Quickbeam so I don't need another.  But I'm endlessly interested in what 
> they come up with.
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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

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Hi, Broccoli Cog.

I got my first Brooks--a B17 two months ago on a Joe A.   Prior to that, I 
rode inexpensive saddles that I purchased at the LBS, but those rides were 
usually short, less than 10 miles.  

My first ride on B17 was OK, but my sits bones and back hurt a little, like 
the first spring ride after the winter is finally over.  Don't know if it 
was the saddle or the upright position.  Never had an issue after that.  
Only about 125-150 miles on it so far and no other issues.  I cannot say 
"it's the most comfortable saddle ever" but I can say that I can ride it 30 
miles without any issues and not really noticing it's there.  I guess that 
makes it the most comfortable saddle in that there is no discomfort at all.

I did try a cambium, the C19 I think, on a test ride of another bike and 
did not like it.  However, I was only on it for 10 minutes, so not sure 
that was a fair test ride.  One day, I'd like to try a flyer on my Joe.

I ride in regular clothes, no padded shorts. 

Roberta

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:15:50 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:

> I agree Jay. I think that hump at the top of the C17 is problematic for 
> me. The comments are making me think more about trying a B17

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[RBW] Morning ride with a new clem owner

[REC]

Looks a like a great ride--hands or no hands. 

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[RBW] Re: Breaking in a leather Brooks

[REC]

"they're probably going to get enough water with sweat.  "

Is sweat something to be concerned with an untreated saddle?  Currently, my 
saddle is untreated.



Broccoli Cog--not that I'm an expert, as I've had my brooks (B-17)  for 2 
months--150 miles.  I was a little sore after my first ride, fine since 
then.  Still, every time I get on I think "this is so hard, how can it be 
comfortable?"  Yet, it is.

Roberta

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 7:04:22 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

> Right now I have a spare Swallow Select that I bought on $99 closeout.  I 
> use proofhide on that to keep the leather from drying out in storage.  
> On my bike's, I use Obenauff's, but I use it sparingly.  Nothing time 
> based, just as it seems to need it.  
> I keep them polished with chamois.  
> Running Swallows on two drop-bar bikes, and B17 Select on two more upright 
> bikes.  
> I also use Randi Jo's saddle covers to cover them for transport, and for 
> weather emergencies.  
> Protect them from rain - they're probably going to get enough water with 
> sweat.  
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Video Review

[REC]

Nice Video!

Roberta

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 9:30:01 AM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi!  Here's a little overview of my Appaloosa I recently made:
>
> https://youtu.be/DtElrNIi9KM
>
> Enjoy!
>
> M
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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[REC]

Max,

Yes!  I was thinking of using an inexpensive black nylon handlebar bag that 
I had, but hanging it like saddle bag.  I like your idea better because 
it's cleaner/neater looking.  AND, it color coordinates!  :)  Thanks for 
the idea. 

What is A2--Arizona, Albuquerque, Alaska?

Roberta

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 8:36:43 AM UTC-4, Max S wrote:

>  I will be adding a small bag to the saddle that will tuck behind the 
>> rack's tombstone for flat repair items.   That way, it will not interfere 
>> with my rack trunk, if I needed additional space.
>
>
> Kinda like this?.. :-) 
>  
> Great looking bike! 
>
> - Max in A2
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Purple Glorious was Stolen

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Chalida,

So sorry!  It is a beautiful  bike.  

I'll keep my eye out on CL in the mid-Atlantic region for you.

Roberta

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 10:14:29 AM UTC-4, Chalida wrote:

>
> 
> Early yesterday morning (June 25) my dear purple Glorious was stolen from 
> our basement in San Francisco's Mission District.  This beautiful bike has 
> cream highlighting, hearts in the lugs.  When stolen had a knitted pink and 
> purple cozy across the top frame tube.  Take a moment and be grateful for 
> your bikes or memories!  Let us know if it's spotted, thanks.
> Chalida
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[RBW] Re: Long Time Coming....

[REC]

It's so great that you got this bike just PERFECT for YOU.  Many happy 
years of riding!  Beautiful background, too.

roberta

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 1:41:52 AM UTC-4, Kiley DeMond wrote:

> I have no idea where to actually begin this post... I rode a Betty Foy 
> around 2010, when I still lived in the Bay Area, but ended up buying a 
> Dutch tank of a bike. That was the third? Fourth? Fifth foray into finding 
> a bike that would recapture the joy I felt riding bikes a decade or more 
> back.
>
> Then, an orange Clementine caught my eye, and the orange Cheviot caught my 
> fancy. And last summer when I was back in CA for my nephew's graduation, I 
> borrowed a friend's car and drove back out to Walnut Creek and rode both of 
> the Orange bikes that had my eye and potentially, my heart. The Clem was 
> fun, but not as smooth as the Cheviot, and my love of lugs and the belief 
> that this was perhaps my last bike, made the Cheviot my choice. 
>
> Still, I didn't order the Cheviot until February of 2016. Well, by 'order' 
> I mean put a meager deposit down on the last of the orange 60cm frames. At 
> least it was sort of mine. And it gave me something to dream about. 
>
> Will, Roman and I decided on the components and it arrived in July. The 
> only thing different from standard was the extra long crank, a bow to my 
> 91.5 PBH. However, having not ridden the component set I picked for more 
> than five minutes, I immediately started to think of what I wanted to 
> change. I always thought Build-a-Bike would be a great idea! Get the frame 
> and then through trial and error, discussion and assessment, arrive at the 
> perfect component sets with your LBS. Over the next months, I, and I mean 
> I, as I did all the work myself, swapped out the handlebars (Albatross for 
> Bosco), brake levers (loved the Paul components levers, shifters (IRD 
> replaced the Sun Race). I already had the Nitto set back seat post. There 
> were intervening iterations of many of the components. Racks... Tires 
> Fenders 
>
> So, with further ado, and with a tip of my cap to Will who fielded many 
> emails from a newbie builder, I give you Heidi. God, I love riding this 
> bike. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Purple Glorious was Stolen

[REC]

 

> This is such good news.  I'm so happy that they didn't stash it somewhere 
>> else, knowing that you were onto them.  I would love to hear the full 
>> story.  
>>
>
I had a bike stolen 25 years ago and that was very upsetting.  Not because 
it was an expensive and beautiful bike like yours, but because someone had 
the nerve to just take what I had worked so hard to earn.  

Will you be keeping it in your house from now on?Even if you keep it 
locked to an immovable object in your basement, they will be protected from 
onlookers, should they bring a grinder to remove the lock and retake the 
bike.

I read on the iBob forum something about a blue tooth tracking device for 
bikes.  Don't know anything else about it, but might be worth looking into.

Roberta


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[RBW] Re: the sunflower ride...

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Eunice,

I loved watching the video, especially the field of sunflowers.  Thanks for 
sharing.

Roberta

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 4:08:49 PM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote:

> Heya. 
>
> Been a while since I checked in this list...popped in to share a video of 
> my recent ride on Neuse River Trail to the sunflower field in Raleigh, NC. 
> They're grown out of wastewater and used for biodiesel. Thumper (my AHH) 
> makes an appearance, and Serenity (QB) is there as well, though you can't 
> see it- the ride is filmed from QB. :) If you like nature documentaries, 
> you'll enjoy this. 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rztruswZnrc
>
> (No sound, but just as well as Thumper made some very loud gear shifting 
> sounds). 
>
> -E.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Columbine! It must be July.

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Patrick,

Thank you for posting about your adventures, especially when you stop to 
take pictures so the rest of us can enjoy.

Roberta

On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 3:46:14 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> In which I discover, like a tourist stepping off the bus in some unknown 
> time, that it must be July because the columbine are blooming.
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/columbine/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Appaloosa 51cm and question about the 46cm size

[REC]

Call all the dealers.  There's a new dealer in NH or Maine.  Perhaps they 
have one?  Look at Riv's web site for dealer listing.

Riv is in business to sell bikes and make people happy.  I think they'd 
have a lot more happy people with another run of Appaloosa's.  Boy, did 
they sell out fast!  

Roberta

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 5:12:20 PM UTC-4, RJ March wrote:

> This is my first post and I have been driven to it by a (mild) 
> desperation. Here's the story: I was looking to buy a Riv bike and settled 
> on the Joe Appaloosa. I went on the Riv website and was able to purchase a 
> 51cm Hi Ho Silver Joe Appaloosa. Amazing! I thought. A week later, I got a 
> call and sincere apology from Vince at Riv that this was a glitch in the 
> system and they have no more 51cm Appaloosas, at all. Not so amazing, I 
> thought. 
>
> I am now appealing to any of you all - any chance anyone out there wants 
> to part ways with their 51cm Appaloosa? 
>
> Alternatively, since my PBH is 79, Riv offered me a 46cm Appaloosa. I 
> think it would end up feeling like a pretty small bike. I would love to get 
> in on the ride experience of the Appaloosa but not at the expense of fit. I 
> have no Riv shops in my area. Has anyone been in a similar situation 
> between the 46 and 51 Appaloosa? 
>
> I am thinking I will stick with a 51cm size and go with a Sam Hillborne, 
> even though I am not a big fan of the caliper brake set up and would be 
> somewhat limited on touring - though I read on here that the Sam can haul, 
> too. 
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Appaloosa 51cm and question about the 46cm size

[REC]

I think I purchased the last 51 Joe A from Gravel and Grind (it IS a cool 
shop) in April, but if they have one, that would be great for you.  It's a 
wonderful bike!  My next favorite was the Atlantis, but that was out of my 
budget.   And, I don't even do any touring!

I have been looking for used Rivs on Craigslist, so I can keep a second 
bike at home.  I don't know much about Bridgestone bikes, but I've seen 
this for a few weeks and it's still available.  I *think* it's from one of 
our members and might be acceptable quick replacement:  
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/bridgestone-xo/6202919510.html

Bridgestone XO-2 - $425 (Fairfax, VA)  
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Legendary 1992 Bridgestone XO-2 $425 52cm frame

This Pearl White example is almost completely original. The tires are not 
original and the specifications said the bike was originally equipped with 
presta tubes. The bike currently has schraeder valved tubes so it is likely 
the rims have been drilled to accomodate the larger "car type" valves. The 
rear rack is a Specialized branded one. Overall condition is very good. 

Complete specifications and geometry can be found at the pdf file at the 
link below. XO-2 description on page 38 Geometry information is on page 47, 
Component specifications on page 49 

http://sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1992/1992.pdf

If you're even looking at this ad, you likely know a little bit about the 
Bridgestone bikes of the early 90s and Grant Petersen. Grant Petersen 
currently runs Rivendell Bicycles and is well-known for promoting sensible 
(but not cheap) bicycles. The PDF file at the link is a 1992 Bridgestone 
catalog which has all sorts of interesting information on bicycle sizing, 
components, and materials. 

We're asking real money for this bicycle and while we may entertain offers, 
we may not accept much below the listed price. The listed price is pretty 
much mid-range from what we've uncovered via the wonders of the internet. 
If you're seriously interested, contact us by email and set up a time to 
check out the bike with your own eyes. After you've inspected the bike you 
can always make an offer but, if it's not realistic, don't hold your breath 
expecting it to be accepted. 

If the advertisement on Craigslist is up, then the bike is available. 
Thanks for looking! 


On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 11:00:13 AM UTC-4, RJ March wrote:

> Atlantis looks amazing. It was a 5 month wait though and I am a cycle 
> commuter in a 1 car family needing to replace my stolen bike asap. I had my 
> GP-designed '92 Bridgestone RB-T stolen. That was a GREAT bike. I doubt I 
> could find another bike with that classic geometry (no slanted tt), tubing 
> so elegantly slender, and a ride so nimble with canti brakes and touring 
> abilities. I road that thing in London traffic when I was living there and 
> it did equally well weaving in and out of cars as it did on rough country 
> paths in Hamstead Heath. I am now looking for something that will do well 
> with all the hills in our new home - Seattle. Here's a photo of the 
> Bridgestone if you are curious or somehow come across it:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 9:47:49 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>>
>> Or... look for a 53cm Atlantis. :-) It's the beast. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 4:12:20 PM UTC-5, RJ March wrote:
>>>
>>> This is my first post and I have been driven to it by a (mild) 
>>> desperation. Here's the story: I was looking to buy a Riv bike and settled 
>>> on the Joe Appaloosa. I went on the Riv website and was able to purchase a 
>>> 51cm Hi Ho Silver Joe Appaloosa. Amazing! I thought. A week later, I got a 
>>> call and sincere apology from Vince at Riv that this was a glitch in the 
>>> system and they have no more 51cm Appaloosas, at all. Not so amazing, I 
>>> thought. 
>>>
>>> I am now appealing to any of you all - any chance anyone out there wants 
>>> to part ways with their 51cm Appaloosa? 
>>>
>>> Alternatively, since my PBH is 

[RBW] Re: WTB: Appaloosa 51cm and question about the 46cm size

[REC]

I meant keep a second bike for me at WORK.  This is too aggressive for me, 
so I've passed.  Perhaps good for you.

I have been looking for used Rivs on Craigslist, so I can keep a second 
bike at home.  I don't know much about Bridgestone bikes, but I've seen 
this for a few weeks and it's still available.  I *think* it's from one of 
our members and might be acceptable quick replacement:  
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/bridgestone-xo/6202919510.html

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 5:22:37 PM UTC-4, REC wrote:

> I think I purchased the last 51 Joe A from Gravel and Grind (it IS a cool 
> shop) in April, but if they have one, that would be great for you.  It's a 
> wonderful bike!  My next favorite was the Atlantis, but that was out of my 
> budget.   And, I don't even do any touring!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Appaloosa 51cm and question about the 46cm size

[REC]

Ash just posted a WTS 51 Appaloosa.  I sent him your info.  Here's his.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/47sCkyQ3U3k

I love my Appaloosa.

Roberta

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 5:12:20 PM UTC-4, RJ March wrote:

> This is my first post and I have been driven to it by a (mild) 
> desperation. Here's the story: I was looking to buy a Riv bike and settled 
> on the Joe Appaloosa. I went on the Riv website and was able to purchase a 
> 51cm Hi Ho Silver Joe Appaloosa. Amazing! I thought. A week later, I got a 
> call and sincere apology from Vince at Riv that this was a glitch in the 
> system and they have no more 51cm Appaloosas, at all. Not so amazing, I 
> thought. 
>
> I am now appealing to any of you all - any chance anyone out there wants 
> to part ways with their 51cm Appaloosa? 
>
> Alternatively, since my PBH is 79, Riv offered me a 46cm Appaloosa. I 
> think it would end up feeling like a pretty small bike. I would love to get 
> in on the ride experience of the Appaloosa but not at the expense of fit. I 
> have no Riv shops in my area. Has anyone been in a similar situation 
> between the 46 and 51 Appaloosa? 
>
> I am thinking I will stick with a 51cm size and go with a Sam Hillborne, 
> even though I am not a big fan of the caliper brake set up and would be 
> somewhat limited on touring - though I read on here that the Sam can haul, 
> too. 
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2017 Appaloosa 51cm green

[REC]

I thought it was just a few that were being sold.  I love my Joe A.  It's 
my first Riv. 

On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 11:11:40 AM UTC-4, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> It IS odd how many Joes have come up for sale.
>
> Clem FTW!! lol
>

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[RBW] WTB: New or nearly new Brooks flyer--black or honey

[REC]

Wanting to change my B17 saddle on my Joe Appaloosa for a black or honey 
Flyer. 

Does anyone have either a new or nearly new (in good shape) one you'd want 
to sell?  Please PM me and let me know how much you'd like.  I missed out 
on one recently offered here.

Thanks,
Roberta

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[RBW] WTB: New or nearly new Brooks flyer--black or honey (ignore other post with same subject)

[REC]

 

I'd like to change my B17 saddle on my Joe Appaloosa for a black or honey 
Flyer. 

 

Does anyone have either a new or nearly new (in good shape) Flyer you'd 
want to sell?  Please PM me and let me know how much you'd like.  I missed 
out on one recently offered here.

 

Thanks,

Roberta

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[RBW] WTB: new or nearly new black or honey Brooks Flyer

[REC]

 

I'd like to try a Brooks Flyer on my Joe Appaloosa.  It currently has a B17 
saddle. 

 

Does anyone have either a new or nearly new black or honey Flyer you want 
to sell?  Please PM me and let me know how much you'd like.  I missed out 
on one recently offered here.

 

Thanks,

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[REC]

What a lovely ride; thanks for sharing.  It looks doable for those of us 
(me) not in good shape. Thanks, also, for the links.

Roberta

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 7:21:13 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote:

> Ride report/ first tour on Cheviot
>
> After commuting 1500 miles since October on my 60cm Cheviot, I figured it 
> was past time to undertake a tour with it.  My ride report on the credit 
> card tour is here:
> https://lightofferings.wordpress.com/2017/07/23/gap-trail-july-2017/
>
> The Cheviot of course lived up to my expectations.  Loaded with a large 
> Saddlesack on the rear and a basket with a Shopsack on the front, it was 
> steady, quick when needed, and comfortable.  My daily commute is 8 miles 
> each way with stops about every 2 miles for traffic lights.  I did need to 
> tweak handlebar height and angle so I was comfortable for longer distances 
> without a break.  I circumvented the single set of bottle mounts on the 
> Cheviot by carrying a bottle in the front basket and one in the Saddlesack, 
> a workable solution.  The Shopsack held my clothes and toiletries, and the 
> Saddlesack housed tools, snacks, extra sandals, raincoat, and 1st aid kit, 
> with plenty of room to add a tent and sleeping bag for when I camp.  I look 
> forward to more touring on this great bike!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: new or nearly new black or honey Brooks Flyer

[REC]

Thanks. This is good to know about. 

Roberta

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> On Jul 23, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Roberta,
> 
> I do not have a Flyer but I will recommend keeping an eye on Bill Laine's 
> (wallbikeparts) sales on ebay.  Bill owned and ran Wallingford Bike Parts 
> before retiring (I think) and now sells stock on eBay.  He is highly 
> respected and, from everything I know I know, one of the best...
> 
> An example:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Brooks-Countess-saddle-rare-/112485305813?hash=item1a30a58dd5:g:F9IAAOSwq~tZQA4q
> 
> Good luck in the search!
> 
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 8:26:43 PM UTC-5, REC wrote:
>> I'd like to try a Brooks Flyer on my Joe Appaloosa.  It currently has a B17 
>> saddle. 
>>  
>> Does anyone have either a new or nearly new black or honey Flyer you want to 
>> sell?  Please PM me and let me know how much you'd like.  I missed out on 
>> one recently offered here.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>> 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: new or nearly new black or honey Brooks Flyer

[REC]

Thanks. This one was sold by the time I looked but I did just order one for 
just a little more. I like supporting my lbs, but the price difference was too 
much. 

Roberta

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> On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:34 PM, Jonathan D.  wrote:
> 
> Amazon has an open box one like new for $97 with free shipping. 
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[RBW] PSA: Sam Hillborne 48cm for sale

[REC]

I saw this on the Washington, DC Craigslist, and the owner said it would be 
OK for me to pass on the info here.  
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/6235419464.html

It's too small for me and I see they are no longer making this size.  No 
relation to the owner.

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

[REC]

I have PBH of 83.  My B17 is set at 71.25.  I have the pedals that came 
with the bike and wear sneakers, marketed as "walking shoes."  

Roberta  

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 7:20:50 PM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote:

> I'm curious how many here find that Grant's "rule" about saddle height 
> being 10-11cm lower than PBH to be true for them. My PBH is 86cm and for 
> the longest time, ran my saddle at 75cm from the center of the cranks. 
> Lately, I switched from clipless pedals to flats, and now that the weather 
> is warm, I have been riding in Bedrock Sandals. Because the soles are so 
> thin, I had to lower my saddle a bit. I've also been dealing with some knee 
> pain and came across these articles: 
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/
>  and 
>
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/addendum-to-seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be-2/.
>  
> I think a lot of what he says is going on for me: knee and back pain, 
> tilted hips, pedaling toes-down, etc. I went for a ride this morning and 
> stopped to lower my saddle a few times. No new knee pain (same as before), 
> and now I feel like I can pedal with a more level foot. My legs are still 
> pretty far extended at the bottom of the stroke, and I can't reach them at 
> the bottom with my heels (another possibly flawed guide for setting saddle 
> height). When I got home I measured the saddle height at 73cm. I know the 
> Bedrock sandals are thin, but I doubt they're 2cm thinner than my clipless 
> pedals and shoe combo. Maybe the additional sole flex makes them 
> effectively even thinner? 
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Finally, I have Riv

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Congratulations on your new love.  I hope you have many happy rides with it.

On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:36:14 PM UTC-4, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Bobs and Rivs,
>
> A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic 
> pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years 
> waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up for 
> sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv 
> custom regularly!
>
> Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps? Anyways, 
> it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage (other Bills 
> will approve, I'm sure). 
>
> Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the years: 
> 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers, Suntour 
> Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176 (think Noodle 
> was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der, Technomic stem. 
> Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. Pedals are clones of 
> Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple crankset. 
>
> First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as the 
> Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for a 
> quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag 
> which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add 
> Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is a 
> minor thing for a rainy winter day. 
>
> The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel. 
> Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires. 
> Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll 
> get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will 
> at Riv said that was the max for sure). 
>
> Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours 
> where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my 
> road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head 
> tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without 
> TCO!
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

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It's a beauty.  I'm glad you're just as happy with this as you were with 
the appaloosa. 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 6:21:31 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Got it yesterday, did a few miles shakedown/adjust-stuff ride today. To 
> steal Velouria's blog name, what a lovely bike! It has the magical 
> smooth-but-maneuverable Riv ride, and boy is that low toptube nice at when 
> hopping on and off. After years of enjoying the low stepover of folding 
> bikes, I find the high tube on "regular" bikes a mostly unnecessary 
> obstacle, so this is wonderful (bonus: no bars crashing into tubes!).
>
> Details: Those Boscos reach WAY back; I'll be lopping an inch off before 
> the next ride. 
>
> The SunRace shifters are reversed 9-speed click/friction, and only the 
> right friction-only shifter has any kind of ratchet effect when pushing to 
> lower/easier cogs. The original ratchety shifters on the first Clem run had 
> a lot of clicks on both sides, both directions, and I found them hard to 
> operate on the demo Clem H I ride last year. To help explain what's new: if 
> you mounted these normally, they're the same as Shimano bar-ends with pure 
> friction front, index or pure friction rear. As installed they both work 
> great in friction mode.
>
> The gearing is perfect with 38-24 chainrings and pie plate 9-speed 
> cassette. Grant's right, it's hard to imagine why you would need a big ring 
> up front.
>
> Although the ride is similar - maybe a little more relaxed/cushy - to the 
> Appaloosa I sold, the vibe is VERY different. With the sit-up riding 
> position, mixte frame, and certainly with the green paint on this one, 
> there's very much a "Raleigh 3-speed" thing going on which I get a kick out 
> of. I rode in my standard costume of MUSA shorts, Pletscher T-shirt and Riv 
> fake-leather gloves..all good..but this is the first time my swoopy 
> Specialized helmet and Oakley M Frames felt completely ridiculous on a 
> bicycle. I think I need a beret! 
>
> I love the heart seatlug, which only works on mixte frames. It sits high, 
> proud and pretty, and leaves the impression (in my mind) of someone 
> creating a lug, then designing a bicycle around it. Here's some pics I took 
> today and yep...I forgot to do a lug closeup. Doh!
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/P4TKso4xaSWNDA6Y9
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you guys do it, buying a bike sight unseen

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I am lucky enough to have two riv dealers within a 3 hour drive, although 
I've only been to and purchased from one. 

I'd only heard of riv for a few months before I went on a test ride of 
atlantis and cheviot.  I might have ridden a sam also.   I spoke a few 
times with Riv corp about which ones would be best for me, and then I went 
down again a few months later and rode sam and appaloosa,  which is the one 
I bought on the spot.

Now, with a few different  rides and information from this board, if I 
wanted another riv, and couldn't test it prior to purchase, I would trust 
rivendell recommendation.  

Still, without having a local dealer with built up stock, I never would 
have made this first purchase.

On Thursdeday, August 10, 2017 at 5:08:54 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> I hopped right on the Roadini.  Since it's a pre-order with a wait, a 
> tinge of worry has creeped in. I've never bought a bike before taking a 
> spin on it let alone not being able to touch it or a pre-order.  Will I 
> like it, will parts selection be a pain in the butt, what if it rides like 
> my drop bar touring bike, look at that shiny titanium thing over 
> thereblah blah blah
>
> Should've grabbed that $1600 minty choco-bar orange Sam...nah I wanted 
> something roadieish
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 Hillborne, $1350 (w/photos)

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Congratulations on your new ride.  I went to my local dealer fully expecting to 
buy a sam, but went home with a joe, so I'm especially looking forward to your 
comparisons.

Happy riding!

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

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Hi, Lum.

Weight is an issue for me, because I have to lift a bike high to store it 
on the bike wall rack (it's the upper most bike) in a long narrow hallway.  
I know bike stores think I'm nuts, but I make sure I can lift every bike I 
consider.  I could not lift the 2016 Clementine; perhaps the 2017s are 
lighter.  I can lift my Joe A. with rack and bags, but it's not easy, 
especially when I'm tired from my ride.  I was able to lift a Cheviot and 
it was a lot lighter than I thought it would be.  I own the Joe.

Probably more subjective than you're looking for, but perhaps this will 
help a little.  I'm in my late 50's and this is part of my strength 
training  :)  . 



Hi, Mark in Beacon.

I use a bungee cord to keep my front wheel from flopping around when 
lifting it.  hook on water bottle cage, thru wheel, back to water bottle 
cage.



Roberta  

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 3:43:57 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> How much does your Clem L weigh?
> Looking for something lighter than 32lbs. complete for the wife. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Gravel & Grind's Semi Annual Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners ride and social

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I don't have the strength to do 40 miles, but I can do part of that.  Is 
anyone planning on going?  It's a three hour drive for me, but would be 
worthwhile if I could meet some of the most awesome east coast folks on 
this forum.

Roberta

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 12:59:46 PM UTC-4, Gravel & Grind Espresso + 
Bikes wrote:

> Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners bunch ride at Gravel & Grind 
>  
> in 
> Frederick MD on Sept 10th. Bring your B-stone(s), oogle at other rad bikes, 
> and do a 40ish mile mixed surface ride with ice cream thrown in the mix. 
> Sept 10th.  Lots of demo-able Riv's and Crust to check out too, if ya want! 
>  Email me at james (at) gravelandgrind (dot) com for more info, don't post 
> here with questions.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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