Re: [RBW] New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.
RBW used to call it Coleman stove green. Mike C Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/62c95cdc-013f-4b1c-b867-75ddca0f220do%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Acorn Bags (acornbags.com) boxy rando bags!
I agree that the turnbuckle closures on the pockets are functionally great; but, they tend to rattle on chips eel and the like, which bugs me. Has anyone managed to silence the rattle? Mike C Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Matching CablesTo First Gen Sam
I need to replace the cables on my first generation Sam Hillborne. I like the look of the Jagwire Road Pro Gold Medal braided cable and was wondering if it is a good match to the gold decals on the green Sam. The decals are more of a bronze than gold to my eyes so I'm afraid it clash. Anyone look into this combination or have a better suggestion? Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Matching Cables to First Gen Green Sam
I would like to replace my shimano gray cables with some Jagwire braided and see that they road pros come in gold. Has anyone paired those with the first gen Sam Hillborne with the metallic green and gold (more bronze to my eye) seat panel and lettering? It will either look great of clash. Any other suggestions for match or contrasting cables? -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers
Thanks Will for the detailed review. I have the same problem as you with most knickers - they're too short for my long femurs. Would you mind measuring the inseam length of your pair? Thanks, Mike C Bellbrook O -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Any must see bike shops in Berlin?
I have not been in person; but from their web presence and sponsorship of l’Eroica, Steel Vintage Bikes looks to be a must see. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?
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[RBW] Pivots and CR720s
I have a first generation canti Sam and my CR720s wiggle quite s bit in the pivots, more so on the fork. With more than usual toe-in they perform just fine. Still as the toe-in lessens with pad wear the judder starts to reappear. Do others have this issue? Are the tolerances of the 720s just poor? Are other brakes better in this regard? I guess I could swap in the ‘90’s vintage Deore LX brakes on my tandem to check. I assume that brakes with built-in pivots like Paul’s would be an improvement in the regard. Comments? Mike Cinibulk Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: David Lance Goines Riv Bike Poster
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Re: [RBW] How & when & why did you find Rivendell? What was your first bike or part from them?
I learned about Rivendell in 1997 when I was educating myself Online on high-end steel road frames and manufacturers. I ended up buying a Waterford but became a Riv member shortly thereafter and continued to follow them along with BQ. I’d always wanted an Atlantis When they were introduced but couldn’t justify another bike and they kept going up in price; but then when I was looking for a new frame to build up in 2009 that would take tires larger than 30 mm, Riv introduced a low cost version, Sam Hillborne so I bought one and built it up myself. I commute on it daily and it serves as my tourer and gravel bike. I love it! Oh by the way, my first purchase was LS Merino tee sometime around 2000 and I still wear it regularly. Mike C Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/981f6a48-b24c-44ad-8273-86dcea8b1e42%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis
I’d be interested in hearing more about how the G-One Allrounds do off road and what kind of trails you ride. I’ve been thinking of putting them on my Jones SWB since I ride quite a bit on road and rarely ride on trails when they are muddy and don’t feel like knobbies are really needed for the riding I do. Thanks, MikeC Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/712329c9-3bca-4a11-ac99-927bf34d54c7%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] FS: Saddles, Brooks, VO, Vintage Selle Italia
I'm finally getting around to clearing out some stuff and decided to start with some saddles. 1) Brooks C19 Carved All-Weather Black. As-new condition with less than 50 miles. Just didn't work for me. 10/10. $85 plus shipping. 2) Velo Orange Model 6, similar to Brooks Swallow. I bought this about 10 y ago and it has less than 100 miles on it and has been sitting inside in a drawer. It is also like-new, 10/10. $60 plus shipping. 3) Selle Italia Flite Titanium. I bought this for my Waterford 1250 in 1998 and used it for the first 2 years before moving on to a Brooks B17. It has about 2500 mi. and I would rate it a 7/10 only because the leather is slightly faded, otherwise it's in excellent condition. Also stored indoors. $60 plus shipping. Photos: www.flickr.com/gp/150971586@N05/8b0j47 Contact off-list: mkcinibulk at gmail dot com Thanks, Mike Cinibulk Bellbrook, OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/87b47b20-f251-4423-8c15-b694f45309ba%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Saddles, Brooks, VO, Vintage Selle Italia
Brooks and VO are sold. Mike C Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8ddc131e-6331-4c13-beac-4526ca717f61%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Tech question.
I had the same thing happen to my 9 spd bar end shifter after about 14k miles. In the middle of the range where it spent the most time the indexing got very sloppy to the point where it didn't click positively in 2 or 3 gears. I used it in friction mode after that for a short while but eventually replaced them with a new set since the replies I got from the group were that they were not repairable. Mike C Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Reviews and/or photos of Big Ben 700c X 55 tires?
Has anyone taken calipers to the TBs? Are most MTB tires their stated width? Mike C -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...
What reading do you get from calipers on width of the 2.1,and 2.25 TBs? Are Schwalbes generally true to size on old school MTB rims? Mike C -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Max-Width Schwalbe Marathon Mondial on Sam & Fenders
I've got 38mm wide Voyager Hyper tires with 47 mm VO fenders and that's about maxed out on my 2009 Sam. Mike C Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Anyone used a large Saddleback for touring?
Last year I did an ultralight 3-week tour of the French Alps carrying less than 15 lbs in a large acorn boxy and Carradice Junior. Worked out very well. The only advantage to panniers is that they can be quickly removed and carried with you. I resorted to large nylon bags to remove my stuff each day. No problem with sway even during out of the saddle climbing. I really like this combo for light loads. Mike C Bellbrook O -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Anyone used a large Saddleback for touring?
Max S, I friend and I went for three weeks in early September. I did extensive trip planning, which is part of the fun for me. The goal was to spend the time climbing many of the pass made famous in the Tour de France. I used a combination of Google Maps and the Michelin Road Atlas. I then cut out the pages and made up cue cards for each day. My buddy had his IPhone as navigation backup. Worked out very well. I did book hotels ahead of time not knowing the demand in small towns that time of year. Next time I wouldn't bother except for first, last, and a few nights in between to give us more flexibility, although it all worked out just fine. The only real option for getting your bike there is to take it with you on the plane. Other options a more expensive and less convenient. We used Pika Packworks bags, which are fairly compact soft sided bags and were not charged the $200 fee from DAY. The worker at the counter comments on the size and we just smiled and said something about how light it was and she just took it to the conveyor. Departing from Geneva we split up during checkin and again my bike made it through without charge but my friend was charged the $200. I packed based on my own experience of what I need. Most hotels had secure areas where we could keep our bikes; they were never kept out in the open. It was a real dream tour come true! PM me for more details and photos. Mike C -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Bike Shop in Cleveland, Ohio Area
No direct experience but Hubbub is a tandem and custom oriented bike shop in Cleveland. I suspect they could help you out. Mike C Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen
I have a first gen canti Sam 60 cm single TT in Metallic green with gold decals. While it's a great loaded tourer it's a bit heavy for commuting and general unloaded riding. If the extra $$ is not an issue I would go with an AHH to avoid the overkill double TT and get the slightly lighter tube set. Also, regarding lighter wheels, here is some data. I just weighed my wheels without cassettes this weekend since I was overhauling my hubs. 9 spd XT hubs with A719 rims are 2350 g a set. My 9 spd Campy Veloce hubs with Open Pro rims on my Waterford 1250 are 1900 g a set. So a delta of 1 lb. I expected it to be more. Mike C Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Fender Brands (Besides SKS) That Work On A Sam
I have a first generation Sam and the VO aluminum 700c 47 mm Zeppelin fenders fit perfectly. Mike C Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Albastache Conversion--first ride review
Go Bears! However as I write this I see they went down in defeat. Here’s hoping he goes to Cal And marches for the University of California Marching Band! Beat Stanfurd! Mike Cinibulk Old Blue ‘84, ‘89, ‘91. Cal Band Trombone, ‘80-‘84. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Fender hacks with marks rack & Tektro brake
I did something similar to what Friend suggests. The front of my SKS fender broke off where I cut slots to allow my side pulls room around the fender. I simply used aluminum flashing and attached it to the bottom of the rack using the existing screws. Worked fine. I don’t have that setup anymore so can’t provide photos. Mike C. Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Upright Cockpit, MTB bars, drivetrain components, stems, saddles, etc.
Cleaning out the 'ol parts bin. Prices do not include shipping. 1. Upright bar cockpit that I put on a late ‘80’s Bianchi to work with its caliper brakes and 6 spd indexing derailleur. Would like to sell this as a unit. Contains VO Tourist bar (like new), SR stem (10 mm extension, good), Tektro FL750 short pull brake levers (excellent), nice VO Cork grips (excellent), Shimano SL-TX30 shifters (the only ones I could find that would index 6 spd), and all cables/housing to use on small to medium sized frame - $80 2. Dura Ace Crankset FC7701 175 mm, 53/42 – excellent cond, low miles (selling for a friend and he was a casual cyclist at best), with BB-6500 that spins with a lovely feel - $100 3. Ultegra FD-6500 front derailleur, with rare 28.6 mm clamp, in excellent cond - $40 4. Dura Ace 9spd bar-end shifters. Work perfectly in friction mode but indexing is messed up. With or without cables/housing that I used on my 60 cm Sam Hillborne. - $40 5. HTB handlebar Hudski brand take off from Doggler, Width: 790mm, Height: 70mm, Rise: 50mm, Backsweep: 16º, Upsweep: 4º, Bar Clamp: 31.8mm, like new and sells for $79 on the Hudski website - $40 6. Handlebar Cannondale-brand take-off/new - $20 7. Stem Hudski take-off/new from Doggler, 31.8 mm, 50 mm extension, 3 deg rise - $20 8. SR Royal 25.4 mm stem, 80 mm extension, 70 mm above min. insertion, excellent condition and light! - $40 9. Seatpost Hudski brand take-off from Doggler, 31.6 mm dia., 350 mm length – like new above min. insertion line - $15 Saddles: 10. Brooks B17 Champion Special, well used - $20 11. Selle Italia Flite Ti – in excellent condition - $40 12. Selle Italia Ti, not sure model with “Gel Flow Tech.” - excellent cond $40 13. Selle San Marco “Bioactive Human Comfort” – very good $20 14. Vetta SL – good cond. $10 15. Velo branded Cannondale OEM – take-off/new - $30 16. & 17. Toe clips from early ‘80’s. Two pair size L – Specialized and Christophe Special in excellent condition - $10 each pair 18. Profile Designs Stryke 2000 aerobars, excellent cond - $40 Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FLC5BfVNhyY42BbZA Thanks, Mike Cinibulk Bellbrook OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ab5dc851-e076-45ea-a091-0a37db94e8den%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Revisiting bike computers for tours…
Gernot (Earl Grey) wrote: "Ordered a new battery, and while waiting for it, put my phone back on the bike and discovered that I really liked how Ride with GPS could display a useful map (with heat map for spontaneous route changes), and at the bottom of the screen the data I also wanted to track." You can do this with your Garmin as well. Shortly after I got my 1030Plus I read somewhere about highly recommended Apps to download from Connect IQ. The only one I have on my device is called MapDashboard. It allows you to add 6 data fields to the bottom of your map page instead of the default two. The data fields are a bit small so as not to cover the map, but I highly recommend it! I would be interested in hearing of other apps available via Connect IQ that are useful. Mike C. Bellbrook OH On Wednesday, July 9, 2025 at 10:44:26 PM UTC-4 Earl Grey wrote: > I second the suggestion of getting a used GPS (or sticking with your phone > + power bank). > > I had been using my phone, but I got a used Garmin Edge 1030 from a friend > for $150 right after the 1030+ came out, which, early adopter that he is, > he had already bought. I happily used it for 3 years or so when the battery > literally exploded, popping the screen off the computer. Ordered a new > battery, and while waiting for it, put my phone back on the bike and > discovered that I really liked how Ride with GPS could display a useful map > (with heat map for spontaneous route changes), and at the bottom of the > screen the data I also wanted to track. namely heart rate, cadence, power, > etc. I liked using the phone so much that I didn’t bother replacing the > battery for months. I finally did, and now I am back to using the computer. > Here is why: > > The main advantage of the GPS is that the screen is much more legible in > bright sun light. The second advantage for me is the much longer battery > life. Third in line is the super clear turn by turn navigation. > > The main advantage of the phone for me is the simultaneous display of map > and data. > > I did also have the problem recently that while commuting in a light rain, > enough water got into the charge port that the phone refused to charge. So > if you do use your phone and a power bank, make sure to plug it in before > it starts raining. I actually started looking into power banks that can > lock to a phone case and a bike mount and charge wirelessly, but there are > only a couple of options and they are $80-100 if I recall. Plus the mount > and the case. > > Here is a good video lauding the benefits of older computers. I think > their favorite is the Garmin 830, a smaller version of the one I have. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6SPRDitfiM > > Cheers, and have fun! > > Gernot > On Sunday, June 29, 2025 at 10:08:16 PM UTC-4 shannon@gmail.com wrote: > >> I'm new to the GPS bike computer party, but I had mag-sensor ones for >> years. I just got so irritated with using my phone as the actual navigation >> device that I started looking around at GPS units. >> >> And it ended up that I bought one, and started using it, and, as I climb >> the learning curve, which gets pretty steep pretty quickly if you're the >> kind of user who tweaks the hell out of their devices, I'm enjoying it >> quite a bit. Out of the box, it works just fine... you could own the thing >> for years and never feel the need to change anything. Adding the >> RideWithGPS integration is easy enough, and while it's a bit awkward in use >> at first, it's not hard to learn and it always works the same way. >> >> Or, you can dive down the customization rodent warren, like I have. After >> a couple of days of ownership, I've already added a bunch of 3rd-party >> functions. There's kind of a "shareware community" around these things. >> They're Turing-complete, general-purpose touchscreen computers with a >> task-specific OS. The manufacturers very smartly released SDKs for them, so >> that anyone with the skill set who thought "wouldn't it be awesome if it >> could do <$COOL_THING>?" could actually make it happen. As is always the >> case, good things followed from this decision. >> >> Of course, many bad things also followed, like the infestation of social >> media features and Strava and all the rest of that rot. But it hasn't been >> hard so far to avoid stepping in any of it... just the occasional annoyance >> of "Would you like to share this ride with social media?" and not much else. >> >> My big tip: >> >> Craigslist. >> >> GPS units are the kind of things that decline in value like a peregrine >> falcon going after a baby duckling. The top-of-the-line model from a >> generation or two back can usually be had for less than entry-level money. >> I got my Garmin Edge 1030, so two gens old, (1030 --> 1030+ --> 1040,) for >> $120 bucks. These things are typically bracket-priced, so the 1040 is the >> $799 Garmin now, and the 1030 was then. >> >> And, while the thi
