Re: [RBW] Widest tires on green Quickbeam?

[John G]

Wow, what an old thread. :)   So old one of the links points to my long 
dead QB page on att.net.  My QB photos are on Flickr now 
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/14612032@N00/albums/72157711338025308/page1), 
and I'm not even sure my old green one (RIP) is in that album, but I did 
run 44 Mutanoraptors without any issues.  I use mostly 38s now after a 
series of recurrent flats on 32s.

I have run the 38s with old planet bike fenders, but the setup with a three 
speed drivetrain was awkward.  I'm thinking maybe SKS speedrocker 
detachable fenders, which I'm using with good effect with 38s on my 
Specialized Diverge.
Cheers,
John Gorham
Union Bridge, MD

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 2:57:55 PM UTC-5 Will M wrote:

> My experience too, Eric; thanks.  
>
> Perhaps the question I should be asking: what's the widest *fender* that 
> Quickbeamers reliably run without too much heroics in home-surgery fender 
> modifications?  --Will
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 2:29 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> In my experience (not on a QB) 45mm fenders over 37 or 38mm tires might 
>> work, but it’s very fiddly. A minor bump or misadjustment and something 
>> will rub. 
>>
>> A good rule of thumb is max tire = fender -10mm, so 35mm tires for 45mm 
>> fenders.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2022, Will M  wrote:
>>
> Hi all.  Revisiting an oldish thread.  What's the biggest tire you 
>>> Quickbeamers are running with SKS P45 longboard feders?  I have an orange 
>>> 62cm Quickbeam and wanted to try 700x38mm tires with my P45s.  It's pretty 
>>> clear that the Quickbeam can take 'em.  It's less clear if the P45 
>>> longboards can.  (Websites such as REI 
>>> ,
>>>  
>>> etc., say max tire width = 37mm, yet RBW says 
>>>  38mm).  
>>> Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Will M
>>> -NYC 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 11:53:35 PM UTC-4 grant wrote:
>>>
 You can measure the chainstay width, inside-2-inside, at the point 
 where the tire passes, then figure howevermany millimeters you're 
 comfortable with for clearance (four is a fine minimum-and the Japanese 
 standard, Times 2 that's 8.). Then do the negative arithmetic, and 
 blammo--there's your max tire. 
 (I know those who ride less than four. if the tire is big and cushy, 
 the wheel whill probably stay true forever. Why would it not?)

 G

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Andrew Janjigian  
 wrote:

> RBWers -
>
> I have 35mm tires on my green QB that need replacing. I'm thinking 
> about ditching the fenders and going AWAP. Anyone know whether 40mm will 
> fit? It certainly looks like I have at least 5mm to spare. 
>
> Thanks
> AJ
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report Videos

[John G]

Fun.  Thank you for sharing. I always enjoy seeing where others ride.
John G
Union Bridge, MD

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:58:41 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Eric’s videos inspired me to make a movie version of a ride report.
>
> We have lots of written ride reports and photo essays, so I thought we 
> could also post videos of our rides. Here’s one I made yesterday, riding 
> through Berkeley, San Ramon, and points beyond. Enjoy!
>
>
> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>
> Bike Ride <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lllAPq61ySw>
> youtube.com <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lllAPq61ySw>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lllAPq61ySw>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Reports - Where You Defied the Weather

[John G]

Visual ride report of a day that ended in pretty hard rain.  About 6 
minutes into the video the rain came. at 9:40 we're making wakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRgZG5d10ZY

Cheers,
 John G
Union Bridge, MD
On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 7:40:07 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> Where riding and work meet to make for interesting stories is memorable 
> indeed.  That sounds so different from where I live, other than the wind.
>
> My first bike as an adult was a Kona Blast, and I had two wheel sets.  I 
> remember trying to keep up with my brother in law one day with the road 
> wheels, a 40k road ride in windy conditions, him on his new Trek road bike 
> (trying to ride like Lance lol); I was about 40 pounds heavier but that 
> didn't matter, I was going to suffer on that bike, against him on his road 
> bike.
>
> On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 4:23:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Nothing epic here either, but I'll play. This incident sticks in my 
>> memory as one of those incidents that you laugh about for the rest of your 
>> life.
>>
>> Probably 30 years ago, young, spry 38 or 39 year old, working in Gallup, 
>> Four Corners NM, outskirts of the Navajo Reservation. Took long lunch 
>> break, early April, for ride. Spring winds had Sprung up. Winter layoff; 
>> fat, tired, and weak. Took the hotrodded 1991 Specialized Stumpjumper Team 
>> with "road" wheelset (1 of 3: road, commuting, dirt): 559X 0.9" Specialized 
>> Turbos, 48/38/26 triple (Topline?) and 12-19 7 speed cassette, (22 mm tires 
>> on 19 mm OW rims = 24" diameter X 48/12 = 96" high). Rode east on Rte 66 
>> with howling spring westerly behind me, big ring and small cogs, 27-28 mph, 
>> thought, "Not bad, not bad, I'm in good shape!" 12-13 miles to where 66 
>> disappeared into eastbound I-14. Turned around to go back.
>>
>> NM spring westerlies are beasts!
>>
>> Tailwind became headwind. Started in 38, used up cassette, admitted 
>> defeat and got into the 26. Plugged away, ran out of water, plugged away 
>> until I got back to office. 
>>
>> Exhausted, red eye from dust and wind, cramps in quads and calves, and 
>> also abdominals. Cramped standing up, bent over, cramped bending over. Had 
>> local-access TV show that evening (Gallup, NM; small time doesn't begin to 
>> describe it, but I was PR Director for the area HC system). Went on air at 
>> ~6 pm with cramps and red eyes. Never learned about the Nielsen ratings.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 9:29 AM Jay  wrote:
>>
>>> Some of my most memorable rides involved bad weather.  I recall many 
>>> moments from a ride close to 20 years ago, where halfway into a 60k ride it 
>>> started snowing, a lot.  I rode home 30km in what accumulated to 5cm of 
>>> snow, on 35mm tires.  I used a small backpack with a water bladder and the 
>>> hose froze and I was out of water/food.  I stayed upright. I smiled most of 
>>> the time (when I wasn't displaying fear when cornering), and realized that 
>>> such rides can bring one a lot of joy.  On the flip side, I probably had 
>>> 20-30 rides last year in perfect weather...can't recall one detail.
>>>
>>> I would love to read your ride reports where defied the weather.  I have 
>>> one below, from this morning's ride.
>>>
>>> *"Winter's Revenge"*
>>> *Distance*: 40km
>>> *Elevation*: 400m
>>> *Temperature*: -2C to +1C
>>> *Disclaimers*: no photos (use your visualization skills!); lot's of 
>>> talk about non-riv bike
>>>
>>> I woke up at 6am and checked the latest weather report on my phone while 
>>> lying in bed: snow/rain showers starting at 8am, wind gusts up to 50km.  
>>> The radar showed a blue/green blob heading towards me.  
>>>
>>> On Friday I had taken the afternoon off to ride, it was 15C with very 
>>> little wind.  Had a great ride on Leo (Roadini; aka Goldilocks).  Didn't 
>>> ride yesterday (Saturday).  Rest of the week looks pretty bad (and I'm 
>>> working, so limited time to ride).  I had to ride this morning...
>>>
>>> Went downstairs and checked out the current conditions: it was still 
>>> dark, moderate wind, dry roads.  I made tea and did my morning loosening up 
>>> (stretching) routine as I contemplated which bike to take, scouring the 
>>> multiple weather sites.  Leo, with her rim brakes, double drive train, and 
>>> 43mm smooth tires, or the Fargo with her 2.2" tires, mech discs, 1x.  I'm a 
>>> bit "so

[RBW] FS: Quickbeam 62 cm complete $1600

[John G.]

Howdy, Bunch!

It's been a while. I've been busy with my toddler and my newborn and my 
riding time has really scaled back. It will return to normal in the future, 
but in the meantime, I'm moving on a few things from my stable, including 
my nicely-appointed 62cm Green Quickbeam. 

- Phil Wood hubs laced to Dyads (Riv-built, I think)
- Paul cantis
- the Sugino double crankset with chain guard they typically spec'd on 
early builds
- old school mustache bars, shellacked with newbaums. The tape is excellent 
shape.
- Rene Herse 35mm tires with less than 200 miles on them
- pretty new chain and cog. Maybe about ~500 miles
- Nitto seatpost. 

Saddle height in pics is ~79.5 cm. Paint is in great shape, aside from a 
scratch on the top tube. No dings or dents. I'll ship it in the box from my 
2021 Homer. If you want to calculate shipping costs, I'm in the metro NYC 
area in NJ.

Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/7swum9qT2XEb3ubA9

John


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Re: [RBW] Roadeo - The Final Rivendell Edition

[John G.]

I like seeing Roadeos set up as full brevet-ready bikes. I think it's 
really underrated for that purpose. 

What size tires are those?

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:55:56 PM UTC-4, Charles Wilson wrote:
>
> Really nice build! Thanks for sharing. 
>
> Best,
> Charles Wilson
> Lafayette, CA
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 9:37 PM MCT > 
> wrote:
>
>> In the past, I owned two Homers, a Hilsen, and two Quickbeams.  They were 
>> awesome, but for some reason always sold them as not quite there. This 
>> is my last edition Rivendell.  The Roadeo.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> In true Rivendell Owners Bunch fashion, I have to post it on here will 
>> pictures to show it off and tell a story about it.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I recently saw a 63cm Roadeo for sale and decided to take a shot.  With 
>> hanging around the Paceline Forum too much, I went a little to the Roadie 
>> side of Rivendell.  This bike is a rocket and fits me like a glove.  It 
>> rides just like a Rivendell, but has a little extra snap and zip to it.  
>> Hopefully, I can keep this one around as I plan on using it for long 
>> distance cycling.  I am using my BMC Road+ for commuting, but the Roadeo 
>> will take a ride to work here and there.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On the build, I need to get a support for my rear bag and will be getting 
>> an outershell for a small front bag.  I am going to change the handlebar 
>> tape as the leather ones I have on there now are too slippery.  The grey 
>> wrap around the handlebar ends is a placeholder.  I need to figure out a 
>> cleaner way to run my rear  taillight wire.  Other than that, it will 
>> pretty well set up.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> For the build, I tried to mix in a little silver with the black on 
>> components.  The current marketplace is alot of  black for components, so 
>> wanted to mix it up a little.   I went current Dura Ace on the derailleurs, 
>> rear hub, shifters, pedals, rear cassette, and crankarms (don’t tell my 
>> wife).   The lowest chainring combo is 50/34 for the Dura Ace crankset.  
>> Absolute Black makes a compact 46/30 chainring combo for the Dura Ace arms, 
>> so that worked out. It is an oval chainring, but I don’t really notice the 
>> difference.  With Oklahoma being pretty flat, I rarely have to drop down to 
>> the 30t ring.   I used Velo Orange Brakes, as the Dura Ace brakes will not 
>> handle a 32mm tires, especially with fenders (plus VO brakes are sliver).  
>> I went with a Son Delux Wide body front hub both. I got a Son Edelux II 
>> headlight that has a coaxial junction box to pug in a Sinewave Reactor for 
>> charging.  I wanted to get a polished front light, but could get the light 
>> with a junction box in black. The handlebars are Zipp Service Course SL-88 
>> along with a Zip Course stem.  The Zipp SL-88 have nice flatter drops that 
>> work ready well for riding in the drops.  I don’t like drops that slope if 
>> that makes sense.  Tires are Rene Herse and the fenders are Honjo.  The 
>> worst part about the whole build was putting those dang fenders on.  I was 
>> stretching the limits with the bike clearance and brake clearance.  I am 
>> not a detail orientated person and my fenders will show that if you look 
>> close in person.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> For your weight weenies out there, the build comes in a 23.6 pounds as 
>> pictured without the bag.   If I went with a dura ace or similar front hub, 
>> and a 28/24h combo and a few other lighter components (masterpiece 
>> seatpost, carbon handlebars, etc), plus no fenders or light, I could have 
>> gotten the bike to about 19 pounds, but what is the fun in that.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well that is it.  Below are two glamour shots.  Hopefully many more miles 
>> to enjoy.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Matt in OKC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Image (7).jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Image (8).jpeg]
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[RBW] Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[John G.]

Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity Atlases 
stout enough for the intended use of this bike?

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[RBW] Re: Going from Sam (60cm to New Atlantis (59cm) - asking the unaskable: how will the New Atlantis feel?

[John G.]

What size Atlantis did you go with?

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[RBW] Re: Brake lever preference with Nitto Noodles

[John G.]

I have TRPs and Shimano Tiagras on my Noodles. Both are incredibly comfy 
with Noodles.

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 10:45:55 AM UTC-4, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> I have a Roadini set up with 46cm Noodles. I'm using 9spd 105 brifters 
> that I took off my old road bike, and I'm struggling to dial in the feel of 
> the hoods. This is partially due to the lever / hood design (pretty boxy 
> and bulky, don't like it that much), but I also can't work out the bar to 
> hood transition, if that makes sense. I'd like a smooth transition from the 
> top of the bar into the hood position of the lever, in effect creating a 
> feel of the bullhorn handlebar. After many micro adjustments, I just can't 
> get that with this lever/bar combo. Either the levers feel too close and 
> create a harsh/abrupt transition to the hoods, or they're too far below the 
> bend for my liking.
>
> I figured I'd switch to downtube shifters and go with the Tiagra BL-R400 that 
> Riv sells 
> 
>  
> and uses on most of their bikes, but wanted to check in and see if anyone 
> here has a different lever that they *love* with Noodles. Brakes are Paul 
> Racers, if that's a factor.
>
> Let's hear 'em!
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> p.s. Riv's out of stock with those Tiagra levers so if you have some in 
> your bin that you'd like to get rid of, consider this a low key WTB post.
>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a zero offset Thomson seatpost

[John G.]

This is all really interesting info. I just recently replaced an old Dura 
Ace seatpost on my Roadeo with a Thomson Masterpiece zero offset seatpost 
that I had laying around. My Berthoud saddle is as far back as it could go. 
The position hasn't bothered me so far, which surprises me a bit. I'm not 
sure what I was expecting, but my Roadeo is a hair small for me, so I guess 
I predicted I would feel cramped. The fact that I've felt fine so far (for 
about 150 miles total) almost has me nervous.

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 3:44:15 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Regarding Steve Hogg's approach:
>
> "Let’s not forget Steve Hogg (IBFI):
>
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/seat-set-back-for-road-bikes/
> "
>
> That approach is essentially identical to how I approached bike fitting.  
> I was not a KOPS zealot.  The longer and lower your body would allow you to 
> go, the further back the saddle can go.  Sliding the saddle forward is 
> totally appropriate in balance with a higher-height shorter-reach stem.  
> It's all about the total body position in relationship to the bike.  I 
> really like his illustrations of three riders with identical torso 
> measurements requiring different setups to account for their differences in 
> flexibility.   
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 12:06:29 PM UTC-7, Fryfam wrote:
>>
>> Appreciate hearing about your experience, Bill. If looking for a cheapo 
>> post for the sake of experimentation there's always Origin8.
>>
>> Probably worth noting that not everyone feels the same about zero setback:
>>
>> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/12/on-seatpost-setback-and-related-matters.html
>>
>> Analog’s stance, which seems to follow prevalent attitudes and perhaps 
>> fuels 0mm stem interest:
>> https://www.analogcycles.com/zero-offset-seatposts-make-zero-sense-mostly/
>>
>> Let’s not forget Steve Hogg (IBFI):
>>
>> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/seat-set-back-for-road-bikes/
>>
>> There are few hard / fast rules regarding bike fit that I follow. A big 
>> YES on cockpit experimentation to find one's optimal riding position 
>> (ideally established over yrs of micro tuning) on various cycling machines 
>> from different eras and with unique geos. Zero setback works perfectly for 
>> me *on a few of my bikes*. I’m 155-lbs, pbh ~35.5” and 5’11”… so even with 
>> an inline post my weight is distributed quite evenly within my 
>> semi-aero-levered “masters” cockpit. Most of my rides these days are 2.5-4 
>> hours in length w/ average speeds of 18mph.
>>
>> In any case, zero setback in the 27.0 diameter is very difficult to come 
>> by as of late, given global shipping restrictions.
>>
>> Always up for Seattle rides with new friends...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 10:22:41 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> This is obvious and self-evident to a lot of people, but is 
>>> counter-intuitive to a lot of people: slamming your saddle forward to fix a 
>>> reach problem will often make your problem worse rather than better.  If 
>>> your bars are too far away, and you are 'hunched over' too much, slamming 
>>> your saddle forward also pushes your weight forward, so now you will have a 
>>> lot more weight on your hands, making your hands, elbows, shoulders, neck 
>>> and upper back all worse off.  
>>>
>>> Most road bikes from the 1980s have way too steep seat tubes, and 
>>> require you to slam the seat all the way back, often with an extra laid 
>>> back seatpost, to get your bum back as far back as it ought to be.  When 
>>> that weight distribution is right, you should be able to just lay your 
>>> hands on the handlebars.  If you are bent over too far when your saddle is 
>>> in the right position, then the right way to fix that is to get the bars 
>>> up.  Slamming the saddle forward on a 1980s road bike would destroy my 
>>> shoulders.  It makes my neck tense even thinking about it.  
>>>
>>> It's worth experimenting with a zero-offset seatpost if you don't mind 
>>> the expense of it.  Just know that you may find that you've made things 
>>> worse rather than better.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 10:45:35 PM UTC-7, Fryfam wrote:

 Anyone have a 27.0 Thomson zero offset seatpost they'd be willing to 
 sell and ship to me in Seattle? Need something for my old Centurion tourer 
 - to bring my aging self just a little closer to the handlebars... ;-/
 thx



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[RBW] Re: Help Pimp My Quickbeam

[John G.]

Scott! I'm glad you finally got your hands on a Quickbeam.

Some quick observations on gearing: you and I ride similar speeds and 
distances. I find with the original Quickbeam gearing, I have no problem 
maintaining those speeds. Most of the climbing I do on my QB are short, 
punchy, 200-ft, 8% climbs in the Palisades. I do sometimes need to get out 
of the saddle to get up steeper climbs than that.

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 9:00:05 PM UTC-4, Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
> And by pimp I mean, "make into a functional and kinda handsome bicycle." I 
> always wanted a Quickbeam, and I've just missed a few for sale here. Last 
> week a friend alerted me that our own Reid Echols was putting out feelers 
> on Instagram about selling his 64cm QB. Long story short, a frameset is 
> headed my way.
>
> In preparation, I've been futzing in the parts bins, and thinking about 
> the build. I realized that it's been a good long while since I built up a 
> single speed--way back in 2011 when I did up a dumpster find Trek 720 frame 
> for my daughter's college bike. I'm getting the F/F/HS, so I have some 
> decisions to make. The frame has been re-spaced in the rear to 130mm OLN.
>
> A bit of info about my likely use-case scenarios. I live about 16 miles 
> from the center of town, and almost all my rides are longish. I do run 
> errands to the Post Office (7 miles round trip) and store (around 12), but 
> most of my rides are at least 25 miles. I'll also jump on dirt roads when I 
> can. Tucson is pretty flat in the valley, but we are surrounded on all 
> sides by mountains. If I want to climb, I can. On my geared bikes, my 
> average speed is16.5-18.5mph for rides up to 65 miles or so (I mention this 
> only for purposes of helping me decide gearing--see below).
>
> Parts I have:
>
>- SKF 110 bottom bracket
>- Beat up but functional Campy Record Double 172.5 crankset 135bcd 
>with various rings, mostly of the 53/39 variety
>- Nitto F32 front Rack just picked up from RBW member Joe Lonner
>- A set of vintage Mafac Canti brakes f/r
>- A nice light set silver set of Ritchey Classic tubeless compatible 
>wheels (1440 grams!)
>- Nitto Pearl 100mm stem, maybe a 110 too
>- Nitto Noodle 46cm (or maybe 44cm?) bars
>- Gravel King SK 38mm and 43mm TLC tires (a pair of each)
>
> Reid had it built at least two ways, both really attractive to my eye 
> (photos to follow): one with drops, one with risers. Seeing that I have 
> Noodles already, I'll likely just use those initially. I'm generally a drop 
> bar guy anyhow. So, my main questions are drivetrain/gearing.
>
>- Should I keep the rear spacing at 130mm and use a Surly Speed Spacer 
>kit: https://surlybikes.com/parts/spacer_kit
>- Or respace to 120mm (I also have a 120 fixed/free hub I could build 
>up).
>- Suggestions for gearing set ups. I noticed that I can buy 46t and 
>48t rings for the Campy 135bcd crankset I have. I typically ride bikes 
> with 
>a 46/48/49 tooth big ring and don't get out of the big ring in the valley. 
>Chain is somewhere mid-cassette. 
>- What would the original Sugino crankset gearing look like? What 
>would Grant's preferred set up be?
>- What about rear cog(s)? 16t, 17t? 
>- Tell me about basket life? I've mostly done rando bag set ups, but 
>maybe one of those Wald racer baskets on this? What do you put in the 
>basket to keep your sh** from falling through the holes? 
>
> So many choices for such a "simple" bike, right?
>
> Scott Calhoun
> Tucson, AZ
>
>

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Re: [RBW] In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

[John G.]

My favorite type of bike! The Regular Ass Road Bike! Zippy tubing, comfy 
geo for all day hustling, clearance for 32mm tires, bars just a hair 
beneath the saddle height. Everyone needs one. Or, in my case, 4: my 
secondhand Weigle, my Roadeo by way of Mike Godwin, my Mercian Superlight, 
and my Peugeot with 531 Professional and the really dumb front braze-on 
front derailleur.

I'm a huge fan of these types of bikes, and the Roadeo is an outstanding 
example of one.

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:41:28 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>  
> Patrick your story reminds me of how my brother would recount all his 
> training in the Air Force to work on F-16's and later on commercial 
> jetliners. When asked how such and such "really works", there some point 
> when all you can say is "it's PFM". Pure f'n magic. Beyond explanation and 
> reason.  Ahahahaahah !   I love that term , as when it comes down to 
> everything of this world and how "everything works", is to me ... P F M  
>    In a wondrous way ! 
>
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 7:40:30 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The Franklin sounds intriguing; can you post a photo?
>>
>> Your experience may well be due to tubing differences; I know that my 
>> Matthews, built from thinwall, heat treated stuff compared to the 
>> excessively stout tubing of the original Fargo, and with a delicately 
>> shaped "French" curve instead of the Fargo's girder legs, rolls smoother 
>> over small bumps -- washboard, eg -- with the same wheels and tires. But 
>> tires and casings and widths and pressures can also cause this sort of 
>> difference.
>>
>> My own experience with tires fat and skinny -- from 19 mm (labeled; this 
>> was at a time when I naively thought (1) skinnier was faster; (2) labeled 
>> width was the actual width, and (3) labeled max press was the best press) 
>> to 65 mm actual width (60 mm Big Apple regulars on 50 mm SnoCat SLs) -- is 
>> that tire pressure, casing, and width all play a tortured, complex, and 
>> often inscrutable ballet or fugue or minuet together, and that -- wala!! -- 
>> sometimes fatter tires feel **harder** than skinnier tires, and sometimes 
>> thinskin, supple tires feel **harder** than thickwall utility tires. I'll 
>> explain.
>>
>> I'll start with an anecdote. For years I rode 26" X1" (559 X 22 mm actual 
>> on my skinny rims) Specialized Turbos at 110 psi, later, wising up, 
>> reducing that to 80/90 f/r. **These felt cushiony and smooth** as long as 
>> you were riding over chipseal or small cracks and not our 6" to 8" 
>> expansion cracks. OTOH, 35 mm Fatboys pumped to sidewall max (try that with 
>> a Blackburn Airstick, 1990 model!) bounced you around on all but the 
>> slickest pavement. Even reducing the Fatboys, and later similarly wide 
>> Kojaks to 50 psi: sure, the 35s (32 actual) handled big cracks better, but 
>> over rough, worn pavement? Nope, the 22s were at least as smooth if not 
>> smoother.
>>
>> Reasons? Well, suppleness for one thing, but also, tire pressure 
>> tradeoff. The 22s at ~90 were so skinny, as well as supple, that they 
>> "gave" at each little bump. The downside? Pinch flat and rim damage if you 
>> hit something too big too hard. I personally am a delicate rider and never 
>> got pinch flats on those tires, even with 40 lb rear loads (broke a spoke 
>> or 2, though, with aluminum nipples and Revolutions). The Kojaks were 
>> smoother than the Fatboys, but to get the same cush, you had to reduce the 
>> pressure to almost -- **almost** -- wallowy softenss. 32 mm Paselas, light 
>> 240 grams, even worse; soft and they bounced; no bounce, and they jarred.
>>
>> I recall swapping the 60 mm Big Apples, thick stout things, for very 
>> supple Furious Freds (60 mm/50 mm, 900 grams versus 360 grams. 800 grams 
>> for the BA "lite" model) and being disappointed that the FFs seemed to be 
>> as harsh over bumps as the BAs. The reason was that, with the paper-thin 
>> sidewalls, I had to pump them to at least 18 psi, while I often rode the 
>> BAs with thicker sidewalls at 15. The balance between "soggy" and "harsh" 
>> was a difficult one to achieve.
>>
>> I switched to 60 mm Big Ones -- 90 grams heavier than the 50 mm FFs at 
>> 450 grams. Again, pump them hard enough to not lose control on fastish 
>> pavement corners, and they are surprisingly harsh over bumps -- the minimum 
>> is about 18 psi, tho' I usually run them at 19-21 for less wallowing in 
>> pavement corners.
>>
>> Upshot of all this driveling: you can put fat tires on a bike and pump 
>> them to the minimum psi to prevent wallow or bouncing, and you may find 
>> that this minimum pressure makes them harsher than you'd think, to the 
>> point where, in certain situations, a 32 mm supple tire at a pressure just 
>> high enough to avoid bouncing or pinch flats actually feels softer over 
>> certain bumps than a fatter tire at a lower pressure.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tubulars on Rivendells

[John G.]

Former Pacer and current Roadeo owner here. Yes, you will see a difference! 
Not just in speed, but in handling and comfort, too. Pacers are good bikes; 
Roadeos are outstanding.

On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 4:53:25 PM UTC-4, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> What a beauty!  I am riding a Surly pacer as my go fast bike.  I was 
> wondering if I would see much difference in the Pacer and a Rodeo.  I 
> believe you have had both.  Is the Rodeo as dreamy as it looks?
>
> Best,
> Scott
>
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 5:08:11 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> A few things came together and prompted me to build up a tubular wheelset 
>> for my Roadeo.  The rims are vintage MAVIC GL330s, and the tires are super 
>> sweet Veloflex Vlaanderen which measure a true 27mm.  Now my Roadeo tips 
>> the scales at a legit <20 lbs.  I am keeping my clincher wheelset as well, 
>> but DANG, this bike is fast with supple tubulars.  
>>
>> Photo proves I rode The Three Bears on tubulars for the first time in 20 
>> years.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/49815410327
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Most modified?

[John G.]

At the Nutmeg Nor’Easter a few years ago, I saw a guy with a disc-equipped 
Atlantis. He looked like he was having an excellent time on it.

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[RBW] Re: Can I fit J. App. or AHH in back of Civic or Impreza with back seat down?

[John G.]

I own a 2012 Impreza hatchback and have put my old 61 cm MUSA Atlantis in the 
back with the seat down and front wheel still on. I end up turning the wheel up.

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[RBW] A few comments on the aesthetics of my new Homer

[John G.]

My Homer complete arrived today, a few days after my erstwhile Roadeo began 
its journey back to its previous owner. This is the first time I bought a 
complete build from Riv, and the experience was excellent. I haven't really 
put any miles on the Homer, but in honor of New Bike Day, I wanted to share 
a few notes on its looks. Some background: I've owned a few Rivs 
(Hunqapillar, Atlantis, Quickbeam, Roadeo) and I wish I had kept every one 
I've sold. The Roadeo was fantastic, but a bit small. The Atlantis was 
great, but it wasn't a Roadeo. The Quickbeam I still own. I've always been 
a bit overly precious about the Made in Taiwan frames, and wrongly assumed 
they would never look as nice as a MUSA Riv. Man, I was wrong.

Anyway! 
- The compact geometry and long chainstays look really beautiful and 
balanced in person. I've never been much of a fan of sloping top tubes, but 
it really looks great on the Homer. The proportions just work.
- The paint is far and away the best I've ever seen on a production Riv. 
Way, way better than the paint on my Waterford Atlantis and Roadeo. It's 
just...lustrous. It feels almost lit from within. Pics do not do it justice.
- The build quality is superlative. 

More on how it rides soon when I get some more miles on it! 

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[RBW] Re: Just noticed 2021 Homers have much steeper top tube than older models?

[John G.]

Hi there,

Maybe I can reassure you. I'm also a "level top tube" kind of guy who just 
took delivery of my 2021 Homer Complete. I had the same second thoughts as 
you when I checked BikeInsights after ordering my Homer. I'm right in the 
middle of the size range for a 58, but I could've scraped by on a 61.5. 

Based on what I'm seeing in front of me in my garage, I'd be very surprised 
if the new Homer's top tube angle is actually 11 degrees. It really doesn't 
look that steep. I think it looks exactly like most of the Sams I've seen. 
The frame in general looks very balanced and composed.

I absolutely love mine, which I've set up as a brevet bike. The ride 
quality and handling are both outstanding. It's plenty fast, too. I don't 
think I'll ever go back to shorter chainstay Riv after this. I'm a convert.

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:18:26 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am 99% certain that both the AHH and Sam have 6 degree TT slope.  
> However, could not hurt to call Riv and discuss.  They are very helpful on 
> the phone, and Grant himself might even be the one picking up the phone.  
> Has happened to me a couple times.
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:40:56 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:
>
>> The updated geometry probably isn't noted on the current website because 
>> it's actually been in place for a few years--since 2018 at least, since the 
>> 2018 
>> print catalog 
>> 
>>  shows 
>> the new geometry. The change to the top tube slope isn't the only change, 
>> the biggest other change being longer chainstays, especially the larger 
>> sizes. It's part of a general revamp of Rivendell's geometries across the 
>> board--the same thing happened with the Atlantis, which along with the 
>> Homer is pretty much the only "legacy" model they still make, albeit with a 
>> lot of changes.
>>
>> I, for one, see the reasoning behind the changes (better stability and 
>> weight distribution, especially when sitting upright), and would encourage 
>> you to give the new geometry a try. At the same time, I own bikes with both 
>> the "new" Riv geometry (Clem Smith Jr) and the "classic" Riv geometry 
>> (Rambouillet), and can understand that if you were expecting the latter and 
>> got the former, how that would be a bit shocking. 
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:35:13 AM UTC-8 J. W. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone, this is my first post to this forum. After years of 
>>> coveting a Riv, I ordered a Homer and my dealer expects delivery this 
>>> spring. As I was just checking geometry to make sure I have a stem of the 
>>> right length ready for my reach, I noticed that the 2021 model has a 
>>> considerably steeper slope to the top tube (looks like almost 12 degrees, 
>>> compared to 6, if bikeinsights has it right). I'm a bit shocked, as I 
>>> hadn't realised there would be such a difference, and I hadn't read 
>>> anything about any big changes (I know they posted the measurements, and 
>>> it's on me for not doing due diligence, but I would have thought such a big 
>>> change would have warranted mention on the Riv site, with maybe their 
>>> thinking on why, and perhaps some comparison photos). All my visual 
>>> reference for what I had to look forward to is now out of date and of 
>>> course I'm second-guessing myself, maybe I should have ordered a Sam 
>>> instead -- I'm mostly a one-bike-at-a-time guy and my current bike, which 
>>> I've ridden for a long time, has a horizontal tube, and I felt 6 degrees 
>>> was already a big step for me. But, by looking at and admiring a lot of 
>>> people's builds I came to see the slight slope as a good thing and I 
>>> embraced my 6-degree-slopey future, step boldly into the future etc.
>>>
>>> Looking at the current photos on the Riv site, the Homer and the Sam 
>>> have exactly the same top-tube slope (if you compare the pictures taken in 
>>> profile they have models that line up perfectly -- switching back and forth 
>>> between tabs, once I got them lined up, shows that they are close to 
>>> identical), and they say there that the photos represent the 2021 geometry. 
>>> So what's going on? If the stack has been increased by as much as the 
>>> dimensions in the chart say, there's no way that those photos represent the 
>>> 2021 geometry accurately. I don't know what to do now! 
>>>
>>> What do you think? 
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[John G.]

I think this was posted right after the 58 cm Homers sold out at Riv. 
Pretty frustrating, though I'm glad the Homer seems to be selling well. I 
posted elsewhere, but my new Homer is just stunning to ride and gaze upon.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 6:09:30 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yeah I'm officially sick of the Rivendell price gougers. There was some 
> sense to it at the height of the pandemic bike boom/supply shortage, but 
> it's just rude now. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:20:29 PM UTC-8 Sean B. wrote:
>
>> The price on that AHH is ridiculous. You could get a brand new frame for 
>> cheaper. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:18:35 PM UTC-6 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot the link: 
>>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/los-angeles-58cm-650b-rivendell-homer/7449252554.html
>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:17:32 PM UTC-8 Matt Maceda wrote:
>>>
 58cm 650b Rivendell A Homer Hilsen - $2,000 (Los Angeles)

 "Sale includes Frameset plus Silver brakes"
 On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 10:53:02 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
 Stewartstown PA wrote:

> Yeah, maybe too good a deal. It was sold before I could make the call. 
> Someone here snag it? I had a 64 QB a while back, but it always felt just 
> a 
> little too tall for me. Fun bike though. 
>
> Marty
>
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:38:45 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> That QB is a good deal! I’ve been swapping messages with the seller, 
>> who runs a bike shop. It’s a consignment sale, which he says is a 
>> cash-only 
>> deal. Not really feasible for me, being on the opposite coast, but I’d 
>> be 
>> surprised if he couldn’t find a local buyer.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> 61cm Quickbeam, $1,100 in Cream Ridge, NJ
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/362753662336585/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 9:56:57 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Someone must be looking for this one, 62 hunq!: 
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-hunqapillar-62/7446589184.html
>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I am so shocked that's still available.

 On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:40:29 AM UTC-5 Caroline Golum 
 wrote:

> I do not need another 52cm Riv mixte but I am seriously, seriously 
> tempted to inquire about that Glorius. 
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:03:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Mike! I continue to look at these pictures and think about 
>> Lyle's Rambouillet quite a lot. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 1:28:31 AM UTC-5 Mike Godwin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow that is a cool art project! Just lovely.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:42:41 AM UTC-8 
>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 No relation to seller but an exquisite 62cm Rambouillet in San 
 Francisco. Lots more pictures on instagram. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

[John G.]

Someone on iBob recommended DMR Vaults for people with larger feet. I put a 
set of them on my new Homer and I love them.

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:50:31 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve not yet read all of the responses, so apologies if I am repeating. I 
> have converted to flats exclusively and have not been attached to any bike 
> for 5 or 6 years. Part of this was my interest in the catalyst pedal. I’ve 
> still not tried the catalyst, but I have adopted the mid foot position - it 
> really works for me.
> All things considered my favorite “sticky” flat is the Kona WahWah 2. The 
> composite version is under $50.00 & sticks like glue to my 5/10 shoes for 
> serious MTB use. The metal version is beautiful and costs a lot more. What 
> I love is how BIG it is! Almost as long as a catalyst but noticeably wider. 
> I can stomp my size 9.5 shoe anywhere I want & am good to go. I also quite 
> like the DMR Vault, but wish it were as big as the Kona.
> That said, my current love affair is with the Simworks MKS “Bubbly” pedal. 
> This is the pedal on my Clem Smith Jr. It is big enough, not particularly 
> sticky, and looks & feels like jewelry on this bike. It works perfectly on 
> the Clem for all of the riding I do on it. 
> Hope this helps.
> Ps; mid foot works for me on cranks ranging from 165 - 175.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 17, 2022, at 4:17 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>
>
> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
>> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
>> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>>
>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
>> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
>> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
>> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
>> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
>> there, long distances, when time allows.
>>
>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>
>> Thanks.
>> John
>>
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[RBW] Bucket List Ride

[John G]

Last week I had the chance to do a ride that I've wanted to do for a long 
time.  About 10 years ago I saw a photo on Flickr that I found very 
appealing, and I decided that I would try to ride to that location and take 
a photo there if the opportunity ever presented itself.  It was not in any 
exotic or extreme location, but the photo spoke to me of all that's 
interesting about exploring on a bike and discovering new places.  

I combined some riding with some family responsibilities last week on a 
visit to Ohio and decided that now was the time to visit the site I'd 
always wanted to.

I started my ride at A.W. Marion State Park in Circleville, Ohio and 
started out on the country roads.   I will say that Central Ohio is heaven 
for riding a three speed.   The hills are short, and not particularly 
steep, but it is not so flat as to get boring. :)
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I rode to Amanda, Ohio, and found a coffee shop to take a break at, and had 
a nice discussion of regional trails with one of the customers.  
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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52375040080_0853861072_w.jpg";>

Then it was back out to ride to my main photo location.  
I found the intersection of Ridge Road and Cedar Hill Road and was able to 
take my photo.  A place absolutely new to me, but with a sense of 
familiarity.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374849778_866c9c4b30_c.jpg";>

 I expected it to be anti-climatic, but I was mistaken.  It was a ride in a 
beautiful area on an absolutely gorgeous day, and I carried a high with me 
back to my start.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374640216_02af8c1766_c.jpg";>
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374640276_5d6a3af3e1_w.jpg";>
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374952844_66099cd8d3_w.jpg";>

I had several other wonderful rides last week, but this was a highlight.

Not everything on the bucket list has to be grand, or epic or whatever.  
Some things can be just comfortable and fun (but if anyone wants to send me 
to Italy, there are places there on my bucket list too...).

Cheers,
John Gorham
Union Bridge, MD


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[RBW] Bucket List Ride

[John G]

  Last week I had the chance to do a ride that I've wanted to do for a long 
time.  About 10 years ago I saw a photo on Flickr that I found very 
appealing, and I decided that I would try to ride to that location and take 
a photo there if the opportunity ever presented itself.  It was not in any 
exotic or extreme location, but the photo spoke to me of all that's 
interesting about exploring on a bike and discovering new places.  

I combined some riding with some family responsibilities last week on a 
visit to Ohio and decided that now was the time to visit the site I'd 
always wanted to.

I started my ride at A.W. Marion State Park in Circleville, Ohio and 
started out on the country roads.   I will say that Central Ohio is heaven 
for riding a three speed.   The hills are short, and not particularly 
steep, but it is not so flat as to get boring. :)
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374624141_7995c7daab_z.jpg

I rode to Amanda, Ohio, and found a coffee shop to take a break at, and had 
a nice discussion of regional trails with one of the customers.  
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374936314_ac38d7140e_w.jpg 
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52375040080_0853861072_w.jpg

Then it was back out to ride to my main photo location.  
I found the intersection of Ridge Road and Cedar Hill Road and was able to 
take my photo.  A place absolutely new to me, but with a sense of 
familiarity.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374849778_866c9c4b30_c.jpg

 I expected it to be anti-climatic, but I was mistaken.  It was a ride in a 
beautiful area on an absolutely gorgeous day, and I carried a high with me 
back to my start.
"https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374640216_02af8c1766_c.jpg";
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374640276_5d6a3af3e1_w.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52374952844_66099cd8d3_w.jpg

I had several other wonderful rides last week, but this was a highlight.

Not everything on the bucket list has to be grand, or epic or whatever.  
Some things can be just comfortable and fun (but if anyone wants to send me 
to Italy, there are places there on my bucket list too...).

Cheers,
John Gorham
Union Bridge, MD


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[RBW] Re: Analog Presents: Live from Nowhere, A Winter Solstice Celebration on youtube live

[John G]

Thank You.  That was fun.  The music was great. You all are a very good 
kind of weird, and greatly missed down here in MD.

John G 
Union Bridge, MD

On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 9:54:42 AM UTC-5 James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:

> [image: live from nowhere poster.jpg]
> In typical Analog fashion, we've decided to put on an overly ambitious 
> Solstice show, on youtube live.  It'll feature a shop tour, Q+A, live 
> music, the lighting of the solstice tree, stories, wood stove baking, 
> limericks and more.  We'll have a few cool Rivs on display, tons of Nitto 
> stuff, plus you get to check out the only off the grid shop in the US (that 
> we know of).  I'll update this posting once I know the youtube live dot 
> com.   Still figuring that out!  
>
> -James / analog cycles / discord components / tanglefoot cycles / fifth 
> season canvas
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is there a Riv-like three speed currently in production?

[John G]

Here's hoping the Roaduno would work.  I love having the QB running the 
three speed.  I found a 120 spaced AW hub and a friend helped me make some 
non-rotation tugs.

https://flic.kr/p/2jURZfQ

https://flic.kr/p/cScyTj



On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 1:09:29 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Linda,
>
> I took some quick photos 
> of
>  
> my semi-clean bike's welds.  It's a 2014 Devil.  The powder coat is tough 
> and there was frame saver already applied when I got my complete 8-speed 
> back then. I've changed out many of the parts with the exception of the 
> bottom bracket, headset, crankset and derailleur.  I can fit bike tires 
> (38mm with fenders and 47 without on the diamond frame), but it lacks a 
> kickstand plate.  The fork has mid-fork mounts but lacks a second set of 
> eyelets at the front dropouts.  The tubing is (double-butted 4120) 
> somewhere between a touring bike and something like a surly cross check.  
> So on the heavy side of "light touring."
> I'll add the Jesse at Handsome is pretty quick to answer emails with 
> questions.  
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1w8-_zHLdoH7qtsU25oNcMCUDavuQEEoc?usp=sharing
>
> Tom
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tell me about your super-wide drops

[John G]

I'm thinking of a set of the Spank bars for my next project.  Right now I 
have a set of the VeloOrange Dajia Far Bars (48cm) on the Stump Puller, 
paired with a Cigne stem to get the bars way up there. (585mm overall).  I 
spend a lot of time in the hooks and they feel pretty good.
https://flic.kr/p/2kj72a1

I also have a set of original WTB Dirt Drops on the Quickbeam.  They feel 
good too. :)
https://flic.kr/p/sr927L

Cheers,
John G
Union Bridge, MD
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:56:22 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am quite fond of the Ritchey Venturemax I have on my CaadX - just the 
> right amount of drop and flare, with long drops with plenty of hand 
> real-estate.  What Bars lead me to believe that Midges were similar, which 
> is true of flare, but to my mind, they need more length in the drops.  I am 
> using them happily and find that stem height was the key to making that 
> work out.  I have not tried a set of ultra-wide drops and probably won't 
> because I'm cheap.
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 4:02:33 PM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>>  Another angle of the 112 that better illustrates the wide drop glory.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Fattest Tire on a QB?

[John G]

Specialized Fatboy 45s, although I've recently gone back to 32s
https://flic.kr/p/2hFGfWf

John G
Union Bridge, MD

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:52:45 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> Edit: by ROSE I meant RACE. The names are confusing to me still.
>
>
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:45:11 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> The largest I've confidently fit on my orange 56 were Soma Cazadero 42s, 
>> Dyad rims, wheel around the back-middle of the dropouts. 
>> I never tried any wider, as the chainstay clearance looks like the max 
>> for my piece of mind. (I like riding it on rougher stuff than paved stuff, 
>> so a hairline clearance is not an option for me)
>>
>> I'd be willing to bet that the UDs will fit. AND I may end up doing the 
>> same move once I put the QB back together. I have the 650b ROSE "mullet" 
>> set-up on my custom Bantam and the combination of knobs in front and file 
>> tread in back is super fun on trails, good enough on pavement.
>>
>> Patch
>> BK/NY
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:03:46 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote:
>>
>>> I had Big Apple 50s on mine. Fit was maybe a little tight but no paint 
>>> rubbed off, so I think it was good.
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> walnut creek, ca
>>>
>>> [image: 3448531380_84086b5829_c (1).jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:56:33 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RG,   I used to be able to fit BG rock n roads ( 700x43) on my Orange 
>>>> 64 QB a few years back with the wheel in the middle to rear of the 
>>>> dropouts.   And the RnRs have some decent side knobs to take into account. 
>>>>  Not sure of exact mm clearance on each side but it was fine.-Mike
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Robert Gardner  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone --
>>>>
>>>> I recently saw a post on Instagram (which I have subsequently 
>>>> lost track of) that showed a QB rocking Ultradynamico 700ccs (I think they 
>>>> were the Rosè racers). 
>>>>
>>>> As I am in the market for some new rubber I thought -- WOWZA -- that 
>>>> would be fun. So, I'm throwing myself at the mercy of the few the proud 
>>>> the 
>>>> QB riders on this list. What's the fattest you've been able to go on a QB 
>>>> (if it helps, I ride a 58...)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks all --
>>>>
>>>> RGinDC
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[RBW] Atlantis spotting

[John G]

Watching a completely un-bike related video on Youtube about the Maryland 
Eastern shore community of San Domingo, I was pleasantly surprised to see 
what I think is an Atlantis at Minute 1:58 and again at 3:10.  Also the 
video about the community is fascinating and well worth the watch.
John G
Union Bridge, MD

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis spotting

[John G]

Duh 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzMPFh73nw

On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 1:52:24 PM UTC-4 John G wrote:

> Watching a completely un-bike related video on Youtube about the Maryland 
> Eastern shore community of San Domingo, I was pleasantly surprised to see 
> what I think is an Atlantis at Minute 1:58 and again at 3:10.  Also the 
> video about the community is fascinating and well worth the watch.
> John G
> Union Bridge, MD
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[RBW] Re: Brevets on Rivs -- 2021 Dillon Beach 200k

[John G.]

Here in NJ, where the gravel is scarce but the roads are battered, I tend 
to grab my Roadeo for longer rides. Those have been scarce this year, what 
with a newborn, but the Roadeo really is a wonderful brevet bike. The 
handling is delightful, it climbs like a goat, and even on a 
slightly-too-small frame, I can ride it happily for hours. I think it's one 
of the most underrated frames out there--people don't always associate 
Rivendell with "sportif bikes with elegant handling."

Bill and I have the same ideas about a dream Roadeo. I really need to thin 
the heard so that I can fund one. I'd gladly pay full custom price for that 
bike.

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 1:27:32 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I noted that I wished my 32s were 35s at the end of the ride.  Austin 
> responded that his Roadeo takes 35s
>
> I did not mean to suggest my Roadeo doesn't take 35s.  I have the same 
> brakes you have (Velo Orange Gran Cru).  I only meant that's what I was 
> wishing at the end of the ride.  I considered putting the 35s on pre-ride, 
> and didn't.  Perhaps next time I will.  Please do show off if you can fit 
> Barlow Passes into your Roadeo.  My Barlow Passes are sitting on another 
> bike in another location, so I can't do that test.  My Barlow Passes are 
> plump, more like a true 40mm - 41mm.  
>
> My "dream Roadeo" would be a frame that has the light tubing of a 
> Roadeo/Legolas, geometry of a Roadeo, but the clearances of my Hillborne 
> which takes 38s plus fenders.  That's why I think cantilever brakes would 
> be ideal.  The fact is that I have a Roadeo, and a Legolas, and a 
> Hillborne, so it's kind of dumb for me to imagine the combination of all of 
> them.  :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 9:26:03 AM UTC-7 Austin B. wrote:
>
>> @Bill,
>>
>> My 2014 Roadeo takes 35mm Bon Jon EL's just fine (mounted to H Plus Son 
>> Archetype rims) and the ride is sublime. See photos of clearance 
>> below--maybe a different brakes would help? Or perhaps RBW adjusted the 
>> clearances at some point.
>>
>> I've got 38mm Barlow's on my BMC Monstercross which I've been thinking 
>> about trying on the Roadeo to see if they fit (I'm due for new tires soon 
>> so I'm curious).
>>
>> Austin
>>
>> [image: IMG_8105.jpeg] [image: IMG_8106.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-4 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the report.
>>>
>>> I'm curious to hear about your and others' nutrition strategies. I've 
>>> not ridden a 200k yet but plan to soon. On rides longer than 100k or so, I 
>>> find that I need eat way more than you describe. I totally over ate on a 
>>> century a few months ago and got a bit sick post ride(no more pizza!) Since 
>>> then I've not had time to do another century, but on 50-70 mile rides I've 
>>> been trying to snack throughout the ride, esp early, and that works for me.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions from folks when doing rides long enough to require a 
>>> meal?
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Yesterday was brevet day, and it was my 29th career 200k brevet, but my 
 first on a "road bike".  From the start I've always had one or more "rando 
 builds" from which to choose, and so I've always ridden one of those 
 machines.  I always had mixed feelings towards those randos who strap a 
 bunch of afterthought bags to their carbon road bikes.  Are they cheating 
 on a race bike?  Will they be suffering because of their skinny tires?  
 This time, with the weather warm, the pavement decent, and the course not 
 too hilly, I decided to give the whole road bike brevet thing a try.  

 The field was tiny, allegedly 8 riders.  I only saw five of them at the 
 start; the Escape From Alcatraz Race occupied the parking lot where we 
 intended to start and the volunteer who takes the sign ins couldn't get 
 there in his car.  The six of us were prepared to collect EPP (Electronic 
 Proof of Passage) and started our GPS units and headed out.  Bless his 
 heart the start control volunteer later found me on the route and took my 
 signature there, explaining I wouldn't get credit without having signed 
 the 
 waiver.  

 The weather was in the mid 50s and foggy at the start as we crossed the 
 Golden Gate Bridge.  The cross winds that would continue all day were very 
 light in the morning and would be far stronger in the afternoon, which was 
 advantageous.  The course headed mainly into a headwind while the winds 
 were weak and returned with a tailwind while the winds strengthened.  I 
 did 
 most of the ride solo, and I believe I was probably the second finisher.  
 One rider who went out fast on the first climb of the day, I passed buying 
 mangoes at a fruitstand late in the afternoon.  One rider who blew past me 
 was on a current A Homer Hilsen, and he cheerfully said "Nice 

[RBW] Re: Brevets on Rivs -- 2021 Dillon Beach 200k

[John G.]

Forgot to add: according to Rivendell, the Nobilette-built Roadeos can take 
a 32 and fender. A Petersen-design, Nobilette-built bike for $2800 is an 
incredible value in my book. If you're in the market for an exquisite road 
bike that you will actually ride, the Roadeo is completely worth it IMHO.

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 4:08:27 PM UTC-4 John G. wrote:

> Here in NJ, where the gravel is scarce but the roads are battered, I tend 
> to grab my Roadeo for longer rides. Those have been scarce this year, what 
> with a newborn, but the Roadeo really is a wonderful brevet bike. The 
> handling is delightful, it climbs like a goat, and even on a 
> slightly-too-small frame, I can ride it happily for hours. I think it's one 
> of the most underrated frames out there--people don't always associate 
> Rivendell with "sportif bikes with elegant handling."
>
> Bill and I have the same ideas about a dream Roadeo. I really need to thin 
> the heard so that I can fund one. I'd gladly pay full custom price for that 
> bike.
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 1:27:32 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I noted that I wished my 32s were 35s at the end of the ride.  Austin 
>> responded that his Roadeo takes 35s
>>
>> I did not mean to suggest my Roadeo doesn't take 35s.  I have the same 
>> brakes you have (Velo Orange Gran Cru).  I only meant that's what I was 
>> wishing at the end of the ride.  I considered putting the 35s on pre-ride, 
>> and didn't.  Perhaps next time I will.  Please do show off if you can fit 
>> Barlow Passes into your Roadeo.  My Barlow Passes are sitting on another 
>> bike in another location, so I can't do that test.  My Barlow Passes are 
>> plump, more like a true 40mm - 41mm.  
>>
>> My "dream Roadeo" would be a frame that has the light tubing of a 
>> Roadeo/Legolas, geometry of a Roadeo, but the clearances of my Hillborne 
>> which takes 38s plus fenders.  That's why I think cantilever brakes would 
>> be ideal.  The fact is that I have a Roadeo, and a Legolas, and a 
>> Hillborne, so it's kind of dumb for me to imagine the combination of all of 
>> them.  :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 9:26:03 AM UTC-7 Austin B. wrote:
>>
>>> @Bill,
>>>
>>> My 2014 Roadeo takes 35mm Bon Jon EL's just fine (mounted to H Plus Son 
>>> Archetype rims) and the ride is sublime. See photos of clearance 
>>> below--maybe a different brakes would help? Or perhaps RBW adjusted the 
>>> clearances at some point.
>>>
>>> I've got 38mm Barlow's on my BMC Monstercross which I've been thinking 
>>> about trying on the Roadeo to see if they fit (I'm due for new tires soon 
>>> so I'm curious).
>>>
>>> Austin
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8105.jpeg] [image: IMG_8106.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-4 Adam wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the report.
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious to hear about your and others' nutrition strategies. I've 
>>>> not ridden a 200k yet but plan to soon. On rides longer than 100k or so, I 
>>>> find that I need eat way more than you describe. I totally over ate on a 
>>>> century a few months ago and got a bit sick post ride(no more pizza!) 
>>>> Since 
>>>> then I've not had time to do another century, but on 50-70 mile rides I've 
>>>> been trying to snack throughout the ride, esp early, and that works for me.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions from folks when doing rides long enough to require a 
>>>> meal?
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday was brevet day, and it was my 29th career 200k brevet, but 
>>>>> my first on a "road bike".  From the start I've always had one or more 
>>>>> "rando builds" from which to choose, and so I've always ridden one of 
>>>>> those 
>>>>> machines.  I always had mixed feelings towards those randos who strap a 
>>>>> bunch of afterthought bags to their carbon road bikes.  Are they cheating 
>>>>> on a race bike?  Will they be suffering because of their skinny tires?  
>>>>> This time, with the weather warm, the pavement decent, and the course not 
>>>>> too hilly, I decided to give the whole road bike brevet 

[RBW] Re: question re twisted Brooks saddle

[John G.]

Jim,

I've had this exact thing happen, but only on a Brooks Swift that got 
soaked a few too many times. My B17 Select and B17 Imperial do not have a 
similar twisting pattern. It looks weird, but it's pretty comfortable.

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 7:49:50 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's not real clear in my picture, but the metal part that is wrapped 
> around the front of the rail is notched on the sides and sits on a metal 
> plate riveted to the nose of the saddle.  I'm wondering if the left side 
> notch (as view from riding position) has slipped off of the plate, allowing 
> the nose to rotate.
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 4:44:22 PM UTC-7 David Person wrote:
>
>> It looks to me like the nose has rotated on the tension bolt.  Is this a 
>> result of tightening the tension bolt?  The back of the saddle looks 
>> normal.  Should look something like this.
>>
>> [image: IMG_2802.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 4:17:44 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I was wondering if any of you have ever had your Brooks saddle 
>>> look like this:
>>>
>>> twisted? I don't know what to call it, but it's not symmetrical. Is 
>>> their a fix?
>>>
>>> As always, thanks for your expertise.
>>>
>>> [image: saddle photo.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brevets on Rivs -- 2021 Dillon Beach 200k

[John G.]

Brian I:
I've actually ridden some of those roads when NJ Randonneurs organized a 
"half-dirty" two years ago. It's absolutely lovely out there, and your 
official routes look great. Do I spy a pic of Hacklebarney on the event 
page? I'll be interested in riding it next year.

John H (and others interested in the Roadeo's "performance"): I am 
fortunate to own a whole stable of what I call "Regular Ass Road Bikes." 
Midreach rim brakes, chainstays longer than 415mm, HTA and STA under 74 
degrees, steel. Most of them are standard diameter Reynolds 531, though 
I've owned a few OS ones, too. One of them is a Weigle (actually, that one 
is a mix of standard and OS, I think).

My data suggests I am faster on my Roadeo than all of my Regular Ass Road 
Bikes except the Weigle, where I tend to be a hair (.3 mph) faster on 
average. Anecdotally, I find the Roadeo to be the least tiring bike I own, 
even though it has a relatively aggressive fit. I don't want to get into 
planing, but for me, the Roadeo is as fast as anything I own. It handles 
better than the Weigle, FWIW. 

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 3:59:48 PM UTC-4 Adam wrote:

> Thanks for the thoughts on food/drink from everyone. No need to sidetrack 
> the thread, but Bill's list of food made me curious what folks are doing.
>
> I will incorporate more ice cream sandwiches
>
> Adam
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 2:28:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Toshi
>>
>> I will look for you.  I've got the Legolas in the stand right now to 
>> switch to Bon Jon Pass Extralights, but my perverse contrarian impulse is 
>> to leave the 700x38 knobby Steilacooms on there.  A road brevet on 
>> knobbies!  That's audacious!  They are even *standard casing*.  I 
>> already did two road brevets this year on 29er mountain bike race tires, 
>> despite the fact that people finger wagged at me that I would hate myself 
>> for the unnecessary suffering.  The other thing I like about fast knobbies 
>> is that it seems they are far more puncture resistant.  There are two 
>> reasons for this:
>>
>> 1. When I was a small boy, and my dad helped coach our youth soccer team, 
>> he used to call my soccer cleats "Ants got a chance" shoes.  Block knobbies 
>> like the Steilacoom seem to me that in order to pick up a piece of glass, 
>> you have to roll over it AND hit it with a knob.  Some glass you'll hit the 
>> glass with the gap between knobs and you won't pick it up.  
>> 2. Even if you do pick up a piece of glass in a knob, it'll take a while 
>> to hammer it in.  The rubber at the knob is quite thick.  If the piece of 
>> glass is small, you'll never punch through.  If the piece of glass is big 
>> enough that it could punch through, you may hear the tick-tick and wipe it 
>> off with the palm of the glove.   
>>
>> I'll probably put the road tires on, just to avoid the side-eye from the 
>> roadies.  :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:25:39 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Adam,
>>>
>>> --Regarding longer ride nutrition, I like to use Hammer Perpetuem.  I 
>>> currently make a homemade version, but it is maltodextrin with some soy 
>>> protein and fat (lecithin).  I add a lot of scoops like 5-6 in one of my 
>>> water bottles--it has a shake-like consistency-- and it will fuel me for 
>>> 60-70 miles.  I bring extra packets in ziploc bags to refill, but depending 
>>> upon heat and pace, I may not stomach them.  You'll need to learn what 
>>> sounds and feels tasty to you on the later stages of a ride.  I love V8 
>>> drinks for the salt/potassium, soups, bread, nuts and fruit do well with 
>>> me, but you'll need to find out what works for you.
>>>
>>> --Bill, I'll probably see you on the Santa Cruz 200k in September.  I'll 
>>> probably ride my Roadeo.  Maybe I'll see you on your Legolas!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 8:48 AM Adam  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the report.

 I'm curious to hear about your and others' nutrition strategies. I've 
 not ridden a 200k yet but plan to soon. On rides longer than 100k or so, I 
 find that I need eat way more than you describe. I totally over ate on a 
 century a few months ago and got a bit sick post ride(no more pizza!) 
 Since 
 then I've not had time to do another century, but on 50-70 mile rides I've 
 been trying to snack throughout the ride, esp early, and that works for me.

 Any suggestions from folks when doing rides long enough to require a 
 meal?

 Adam

 On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Yesterday was brevet day, and it was my 29th career 200k brevet, but 
> my first on a "road bike".  From the start I've always had one or more 
> "rando builds" from which to choose, and so I've always ridden one of 
> those 
> machines.  I always had mixed feelings towards those randos who strap a 
> bunch of afterthought bags to their carbon road bi

[RBW] Re: Share More Riv Riding Pics

[John G]

>From earlier this summer.  Explorations in PA and MD.

https://flic.kr/p/2m9xKQE

https://flic.kr/p/2m6mSwS

https://flic.kr/p/2m6mSwS

https://flic.kr/p/2mfAC9A

https://flic.kr/p/2m6i5wP

John G
Union Bridge, MD

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 2:27:29 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
>
>
> Not a Riv but the recent bike I just built up 'Riv like' and am trying it 
> out today.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[John G]

If it was in my Flickr stream, it was my 2015 AWOL, going the eventual way 
of all AWOLs it seems,  cracked at the seat tube/downtube Junction.  That 
is new for me as I usually crack frames at the bottom bracket area.

https://flic.kr/p/2m7HTvL

Since Specialized did not have a replacement frame with same hub spacings, 
etc., of the AWOL, they gave me an entire new Diverge, which is turning out 
to be a pretty fun ride.

https://flic.kr/p/2mhn8PN

John G
UB, MD

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 11:56:52 AM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I can’t tell. It’s a close up of a brown frame
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 10, 2021, at 11:44 AM, st nick  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Rick Urbanowski wrote,
> unread,
> Sep 9
> Wow! "Was that a cracked frame?"
>
> Which bike Rick?
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
> Wh
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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[John G.]

I can't believe I almost missed a chance to comment on my favorite topic! 
You, my friend, are looking for a Regular Ass Road Bike. There are a ton of 
good suggestions here. Here's my take as a Roadeo owner with a stable of 
RARBs from the late 70s/early 80s:

-  I love my Roadeo, but I also love my Mercian Superlight, my Mercian 
Vincitore, my Nishiki Ultimate, etc. 
- Be careful going after a full touring frame. I have a Voyageur SP. It's 
very stately, but not very spritely. A touring frame will almost quite 
certainly throw you into the pain cave that is 27-inch to 700C with Cantis 
conversion.
- That being said, and as others have mentioned, you can get GREAT results 
with a caliper-equipped frame originally made for 27-inch tires. My 
Vincitore was made for 27 inch tires, and it now fits 35mm 700c under 
fenders. 
- a decent frame from that era is worthy of some new components, especially 
wheels. You'll just need to be mindful of rear spacing. I've been very 
happy with the VO 126mm hub.
- Cranks might be an issue, too. A lot of them come with 52/42 chainrings 
with annoying BCDs like 144. FWIW, I can handle a 53 chainring better on a 
standard diameter bike than on an OS bike.

If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about 
being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too 
much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.


On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have 
> with it? :)
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>>
>> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a 
>> lot for around 3 years.
>>
>> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne about 
>> a year ago and have been riding it more.
>>
>> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty 
>> good stuff. 
>>
>> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm 
>> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 
>>
>> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>>
>> I've had a Specialized Expedition,  
>> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a 
>> custom touring bike.
>>
>> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in 
>> riding performance or feel or whatever. 
>>
>> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
>>
>> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some 
>> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with 
>> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>>
>> Good luck with your search.
>>
>> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
>> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked 
>> chrome finish.
>>
>> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. 
>> Non original fork , I don't care for,
>> however will only take a 32.
>>
>> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 
>>
>> Good luck with your search.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
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[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[John G.]

I've owned a Hunqapillar and an Atlantis. I currently own a Quickbeam and a 
Roadeo. I sold the Hunq to buy the Atlantis, then I traded the Atlantis for 
the Roadeo.

First thing I'll say: Rivendells are incredibly versatile, but you 
shouldn't try to turn a particular Riv into something it is not. For 
example, I foolishly tried to make the Hunq a mountain bike for technical 
Northeast trails. I then hoped the Atlantis would be a speedy but 
comfortable brevet bike. Both bikes are a sensational at what they are 
intended to do, but neither of them was intended for the purpose I set for 
them. 

I love my Roadeo and I plan on always having one in my stable. It gets the 
most miles out of all my bikes. It handles similarly to the Quickbeam: 
stable, agile when you need it, confidence-inspiring, as comfortable at 
mile 100 as mile 1.The Roadeo is a rocket compared to the Atlantis, which 
is no knock on the Atlantis.

I do miss the Atlantis. It was stout, but the handling was...stately. 
Majestic, even. The head badge is utterly appropriate. Riding the Atlantis 
felt like being at the helm of a clipper under full sail. If I had had a 
Roadeo first and then an Atlantis, I never would've sold the Atlantis. But 
I really wanted a Go Fast that fit wide tires and wouldn't beat the crap 
out of me, and the Roadeo is exactly that.

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 6:16:49 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Thanks Matt and John, 
>
> Both bikes are examples of how they can be built with modern parts and 
> still maintain the beautiful look of a lugged steel Rivendell. Do either of 
> you own other RIVs? If so, how does the ride compare? 
>
> Matt, your bike is my size. Can you tell me how long the head tube is? I 
> could find that information in the Geo charts I looked at. 
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-4 John G. wrote:
>
>> Here's mine! It's a 61cm. I'm open to selling it, complete or frameset. 
>> I'd like to go up to a 63.
>>
>> [image: IMG_4693.JPG]
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-4 MCT wrote:
>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> Here you go, sized 63cm.  I changed the saddle, chainrings and the 
>>> fenders are not on right now from this picture, but close enough to the 
>>> current build.  
>>>
>>> Matt in OKC
>>> .
>>> [image: IMG_0257.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
>>>> There has been an ongoing thread about Mid 80's steel road bikes. Like 
>>>> some of you out there I am in the market for a "regular ass road bike". 
>>>> This whole year I've been riding my Sam Hillborne roadie style. Shoes and 
>>>> clip in pedals, drop bars positioned below the saddle, no racks and just a 
>>>> x-small Sackville. You know what? The Sam makes a fantastic road bike! It 
>>>> rides like a dream, is plenty comfortable on 38mm tubeless tires and I 
>>>> find 
>>>> it to be fast enough for my needs. It's a little heavy going up hill but 
>>>> I'm willing to live with that. 
>>>>
>>>> Given my current preferences I think my next Riv just has to be a 
>>>> Roadeo. I know it will be a long wait if I end up putting a deposit down 
>>>> but at least I'll always have the Sam. 
>>>>
>>>> So who has a Roadeo? Show me your photos for inspiration!! 
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[John G.]

Tim, try bikeinsights.com. You should be able to compare your Sam to a 63cm 
Roadeo.

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 1:59:24 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Thank you all for sharing and commenting about your Roadeo's. This gives 
> me something to go on as I contemplate one for myself. 
>
> To those of you with a 63cm Roadeo (Matt and Austin) can you let me know 
> the HT length along with your saddle height as pictured in the photos you 
> shared? I'm trying to get a feel for how high I would need to get the bars 
> up if I were to ride a bike with a top tube that is less sloped then my 
> Sam. Thanks!
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:53:29 PM UTC-4 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>
>> @Tim, sure am excited! Don't want to think about the wait being even 
>> longer, but it is what it is. 
>>
>> To current owners: What tubing does a Nobilette-built Roadeo use? I was 
>> thinking 853? 
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 6:50:14 PM UTC-7 peterso...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just before my 1000k ride in June 2021:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5468.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 There has been an ongoing thread about Mid 80's steel road bikes. Like 
 some of you out there I am in the market for a "regular ass road bike". 
 This whole year I've been riding my Sam Hillborne roadie style. Shoes and 
 clip in pedals, drop bars positioned below the saddle, no racks and just a 
 x-small Sackville. You know what? The Sam makes a fantastic road bike! It 
 rides like a dream, is plenty comfortable on 38mm tubeless tires and I 
 find 
 it to be fast enough for my needs. It's a little heavy going up hill but 
 I'm willing to live with that. 

 Given my current preferences I think my next Riv just has to be a 
 Roadeo. I know it will be a long wait if I end up putting a deposit down 
 but at least I'll always have the Sam. 

 So who has a Roadeo? Show me your photos for inspiration!! 

 Tim














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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[John G]

Getting the feet wet in Little Pipe Creek before the water gets too cold.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51550121489_2b11b48b3e_b.jpg";>

John G
Union Bridge, MD


On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 5:52:47 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:

> chris: yes i was referring to your photo!   thanks for indulging my 
> curiosity--it enhances my vicarious experience if i know where the photo 
> was taken.
>
> never been to oklahoma city but i'll be sure to wave if i spot you on your 
> hunq someday!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>
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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[John G.]

Another +1 for Patrick O'Brian. If you're not sure about Aubrey-Maturin, 
check out Voyage to Samarkand.
Rosemary Sutcliff wrote a bunch of classic historical adventure novels for 
kids in the 50s and 60s. They're quite textually sophisticated and much 
more complex than today's YA. Well worth a read.
The Long Ships by Frans Bengtsson is funny and terrific.
Kidnapped is just as good as Treasure Island. Check out the audiobook.
A Short Walk in the Hindu Kush is classic adventure nonfiction. 


On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-4 mkernan...@gmail.com wrote:

> One more recommendation:   Finding Everett Ruess.   
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 25, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Karl Wilcox  wrote:
>
> An excellent couple of mountaineering narratives (non-fiction) are 
> Herzog's 'Annapurna' and 'Minus 148: The First Winter Ascent of Mt. 
> Mckinley'.  And, then, of course, there is the incomparable 'Mawsons Will' 
> (1912 Antarctic exploration/survival story).  And, also, Ernest 
> Shackleton's amazing survival story (also Antarctica).  
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 7:15 PM J Imler  wrote:
>
>> Recently I noticed the book, *The Long Walk*, in a thread with a holiday 
>> flyer linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years 
>> ago, I was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended *In the Heart 
>> of the Sea* and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I 
>> just remembered *The Devil in the White City*.
>>
>> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve 
>> adventure/danger/even death, like *Into Thin Air*.
>>
>> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the 
>> darker months loom?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Fendering a Clem

[John G.]

Before I order a set of B65 SKS Fenders, is there anything I need to know 
about chainstay length and fender stays? Will the SKS fit a Clem with the 
stock stays?

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[RBW] Re: Fendering a Clem

[John G.]

Thanks, Laing. That's what I figured, but I saw a note on Rivendell's 
website that suggested there are some scenarios where longer stays are 
needed. 

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 12:09:09 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Fender mounting is more or less independent of chainstay length. The 
> mounting points for the fender stays at the dropout move with the dropout. 
> If you run a really large diameter tire, that may need a longer stay.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 11:41:42 AM UTC-5 John G. wrote:
>
>> Before I order a set of B65 SKS Fenders, is there anything I need to know 
>> about chainstay length and fender stays? Will the SKS fit a Clem with the 
>> stock stays?
>
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[RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa video

[John G.]

That was supremely pleasant.

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:38:33 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> What a fabulous video.  Beautiful bike, scenery, music.  Thank you for 
> sharing.  The Joe A is a fabulous bike.
>
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 1:09:33 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone -- I made a video about my Appaloosa which I got new this 
>> summer and had built up at Rivendell. Shows the unpacking and assembly 
>> along with some riding footage from out here in Virginia! 
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNmhe_hEQ48
>>
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Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[John G.]

Build details, please!

On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:31:39 AM UTC-5 Andrew Huston wrote:

> Curious, what’s the clearance with the Ehlines? Those big tires make it 
> look great!
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:20:52 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took almost three 
>> weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy to get it as it has been 
>> on my radar to read.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a FANTASTIC 
>>> read. Enjoy!
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> It's so cool!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Johnny,
 Here is a peak at the Clem in my basement sans a saddle which is in 
 transit from Rivendell.
 Clem L 
 

 Doug

 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm very excited for you but at the same time disappointed in you for 
> providing no photos with this post.
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:49:23 PM UTC-5 oli.c...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> i am. Thoroughly. Thanks again for it. 
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 7:45 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Oli. I hope you are enjoying your SimpleOne.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:09:22 PM UTC-5 oli.c...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looking forward to this, Doug! Enjoy it 

 Oli 

 On 15 Nov 2021, at 18:42, Doug H.  wrote:

 I received my Clem L complete today and spent my lunch hour 
 unpacking it and getting it ready to ride. I must say that the packing 
 was 
 the most thorough I have seen! Thank you Rivendell! Also included was 
 The 
 Ultimate Bicycle Owner's Manual by Eben Weiss (aka Bike Snob) and that 
 too 
 is much appreciated. I enjoy books about riding bicycles the way I 
 ride, 
 the Just Ride way. I hope to get a nice ride in this weekend and take 
 some 
 photos of it.
 Doug
 Athens, GA

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Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[John G.]

That's a great build! The Toscos look nicer than I predicted. Color is 
brilliant, too--glad I picked that one for my 59 complete.

On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:04:31 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Tires 2.5 inch not mm!
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 10:59:48 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Andrew, I'll take a couple photos showing the clearance but I think you 
>> could fit wider. John, the build is 1x with 38 tooth front chainring and 
>> trouser guard. 10 speed 11-46 cassette and Deore derailleur. Tosco bars 
>> with a Nitto Tallux stem. Shimano indexed shifter. Wheels are Velocity 
>> built Cliffhanger 32 front 36 rear and Deore hubs. Deore V-brakes and 
>> levers front and rear. ESI Chunky grips. Ehline Teravail 2.5 mm tires. MKS 
>> Monarch Pedals. Black Clipper cranks 170 mm. 
>>
>> I plan to do a nice long ride this weekend and will post a ride report 
>> and more photos.
>> Doug
>> Athens, GA
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 10:21:50 AM UTC-5 John G. wrote:
>>
>>> Build details, please!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:31:39 AM UTC-5 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>>
>>>> Curious, what’s the clearance with the Ehlines? Those big tires make it 
>>>> look great!
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:20:52 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took almost 
>>>>> three weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy to get it as it 
>>>>> has been on my radar to read.
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a FANTASTIC 
>>>>>> read. Enjoy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's so cool!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Johnny,
>>>>>>> Here is a peak at the Clem in my basement sans a saddle which is in 
>>>>>>> transit from Rivendell.
>>>>>>> Clem L 
>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UjfNtWmgPixbYApj37AzBsF_Yc84QV89/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm very excited for you but at the same time disappointed in you 
>>>>>>>> for providing no photos with this post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:49:23 PM UTC-5 oli.c...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i am. Thoroughly. Thanks again for it. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 7:45 PM Doug H.  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Oli. I hope you are enjoying your SimpleOne.
>>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:09:22 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>> oli.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to this, Doug! Enjoy it 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oli 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Nov 2021, at 18:42, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I received my Clem L complete today and spent my lunch hour 
>>>>>>>>>>> unpacking it and getting it ready to ride. I must say that the 
>>>>>>>>>>> packing was 
>>>>>>>>>>> the most thorough I have seen! Thank you Rivendell! Also included 
>>>>>>>>>>> was The 
>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[John G.]

I ended up deciding to buy a Homer complete. Crashed my wet-weather bike 
last Monday and separated my shoulder. Took it as a sign that I need fatter 
tires and more stable handling. I have an 90 pbh and I'm going with a 58, 
which surprised me, since I would've been a 61.5 last time. Worried it'll 
be too small, but I trust Riv. I'm thinking about albastaches or drops, but 
I do intend to take this on longer event rides, so I want to be sure the 
bars work for that. I have mustaches on my Quickbeam and I love them for 
rides up to 40-50 miles.

I've never actually bought a complete from Riv, so I'm excited about the 
spec'ing process. Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? Albastaches or Noodles? Which 
crank? 

On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:

> Does anyone know why one might sell a perfectly fine 58cm homer with 650b 
> tires (bought almost 3 years ago) and get one of these new 54.5cm with 700c 
> tires and downtube bosses? 
>
> Ok, I admit it, it's me. I have a 58 cm, 650b'd homer. My pbh is 87,  the 
> 58 is just a tad long for me if I want to run noodles but it is an 
> otherwise ideal commuter with chaco bars. But I am for some reason very 
> tempted by the newer frame. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:21:51 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Oooops, 2019 specs.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>
>>> I saw it after Eric and it basically looks like the 2919 specs.  Same 
>>> standover, same chainstay.  I am tempted but not quite ready as the Bleriot 
>>> may be a better compliment to my Hillborne.   
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:56 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo of 
 a big geo chart written on cardboard. 
 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been cleared 
> of charts and says...
>
> "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call us 
> with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.
>
> -will"
>
> It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 2019. 
>>  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>
>>> What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just 
 short of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on 
 the 
 way...
 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy 
> if I 
> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: A Hunq

[John G.]

I thought Hunq frames were Waterford and forks were Taiwan? Doesn't really 
matter. A Hunq was my first Riv and I really regret selling it, though at 
the time I needed a good road bike more than I needed the Hunq.

On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 9:30:01 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:

> [image: IMG_0774.JPG]
> That is the lug work and paint from the Waterford production run. 
>
> Marc
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:03:29 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> Just wanted to share the only bike I think will be in my stable for ever. 
>> It's a 54cm Hunq. I'm pretty sure it's Taiwan made, since it doesn't have 
>> Waterford etched into the drop out. I've been working on this bike for 18 
>> months to get it here, and I'm finally happy with where I've landed. The 
>> only immediate changes might be... changing the 'tross bars to Billie bars. 
>> It's also set up for quick swaps in case I want to use Bullmoose bars that 
>> day. 
>>
>> Enjoy. Happy to answer questions. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4909.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Frank Jones Sr is finally where I want it

[John G.]

I've never ridden one, but on paper, I think the Frank Jones Sr is one of 
the best things Rivendell ever did. I would've ordered one if they'd come 
in larger sizes. This build is great!

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 1:44:04 PM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 12:45:51 AM UTC-5 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
>> I do believe you’re correct, at least I’ve never heard of one. I’ve 
>> considered building up a Sturmey-hubbed 3spd wheel for my FJ, but finding a 
>> nice 120mm OLD hub has been frustrating. Still keeping an eye out for one, 
>> though.
>>
>
> Hi, no need for a new hub. You can swap in a 6 1/4” axle (Sturmey part # 
> HSA.108) on any AW hub and fit it to a frame with a 120mm rear end. You 
> usually do also need a bit longer indicator to make up for the longer 
> spindle. Here’s an axle for sale (not mine, just the result of a Google 
> search):
>
>
> https://www.hoopriderparts.com/product/sturmey-archer-hsa107-hsa108-axle-for-aw-ab-ag-hubs-5-34in-or-6-14in---nos
>  
>
> Cheers,
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA USA
>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Looks awesome!  I love the Frank Jones Sr - and dream of building one up 
>>> with Sturmey drum brake hubs, 3spd - I think this is the only caliper brake 
>>> SS bike from Riv (correct me if I'm wrong!) so it's the ideal candidate... 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 25 December 2021 at 06:29:46 UTC-8 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>>>
 After innumerable changes, I’m finally happy with the way FJ is set up 
 (yeah, I know). I have a Sam (caliper brakes) I need to devote some 
 attention to, and I’m still modding my old Bianchi Milano after 23 years, 
 lol. The FJ is a wonderful, simple, speedy frame, and after kitting it out 
 with various wheel and tire combinations, single and double gearing, 
 racks, 
 bags, bells, and other assorted junk (for this bike, not all), I’m down to 
 the minimal approach. Rims and hubs are VO, DT Swiss spokes, Soma tires, 
 PDW fenders (the best, truly), Tektro brakes, VO cranks, WI ENO freewheel, 
 Nitto stem and bars, Brooks saddle, and VO bag. Zoom-zoom!
 [image: 5D679D5E-81DC-4D9D-8BCC-6506231289C2.jpeg] 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[John G]

Most of those are not new in the scheme of things at all.  They've just 
been rediscovered and possibly updated.  I may be geezing here, but I had 
an AMF (I think) frame bag of orange nylon back in 1970s.  I wish I still 
had it.  I still have the Cannondale handlebar bag from the same era. The 
freedom to explore the world (well, at least a good chunk of mid-Maryland) 
a couple of bags and a wonderlight (
https://cdn-0.sheldonbrown.com/images/wonder-lamp.jpg) gave teenaged me is 
a cherished memory.

As to the original post, bikepacking is worth it even on a less than 
perfect bikepacking bike.  Underbikepacking, as it were.
https://flic.kr/p/X5m8o
Cheers,
John G
Union Bridge, MD

On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 11:52:37 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Keep in mind that interior frame bags and everything cages and 
> cantilevered soft bags and a lot of that other, now-common, high-tech 
> bike-packing equipment is pretty new in the grand scheme of things.  You 
> can still do alot with some good old fashioned "full" racks with panniers 
> and saddlebags, the way it was done for a century or more.  I personally 
> think the long rear end of the clem lends itself to this better than any 
> other bike ever made.
>
> Also, people often forget about or overlook bob trailers too but, 
> depending on what kind of trip you had in mind, they sometimes work well, 
> and make it easy to strip the bike down for day rides once you reach your 
> destination.
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 8:47:22 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
>> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
>> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
>> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
>> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
>> might be doing?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Share Hunq Build / pics and ideas?

[John G]

Here is a photo my friend Jay took of a couple of Hunqs with different set 
ups.. The bike on the right runs some type of dirt drop.

https://flic.kr/p/HyyYyE

I also was just in Gravel & Grind yesterday and saw a Hunq they are setting 
up with a Jones stem and Bar, and it looked great.


On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 10:31:23 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> My Hunq has arrived and the bike shop will start my build shortly. So far 
> it my build will be:
>
> Brooks Swift, Nitto Seatpost
> Paul cantis (retro front, touring rear)
> Haulin Colin Front Rack
> Marks rack for rear
> Atlass 26" wheelset, dyno front
> Compass Rat Traps tubeless
> 10 speed, SLX/XT mix, 11-34 cassette
> White Industries VBC crank
>
> I'm having trouble deciding on the cockpit.
>
> I've very torn between having Salsa Cowbells or Jones Loop bar on there. 
> Would a drop bars even make sense on a Hunq? If Jones Loop bar, I would get 
> Microshift MTB thumbies, and Paul Levers. But if it's Salsa, I might try to 
> go the Gevenalle/IRD style shifting.
>
> I was wondering if Hunq owners can share their favorite Hunq build/pics 
> for inspiration. I've been looking at Flickr, but I know not everyone 
> uploads pictures there.
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[RBW] Re: Share Hunq Build / pics and ideas?

[John G]

Here is another shot of the dirt drop Hunq, showing (I think) the IRD 
equivalent of the genavale levers/controls.

https://flic.kr/p/GPZdnQ


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[RBW] Re: Share Hunq Build / pics and ideas?

[John G]

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 11:14:31 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>
>
> I have a custom 31.8 custom quill stem.
>

Ha! Cool that is your bike.  That stem is beautiful.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Industry Controlled by Grant Peterson

[John G]

I think there are increasing options for both types of rides.  Lots of 
folks like to challenge themselves with epic, high mileage gravel grinders, 
but I see plenty who are doing more laid back rambles.  My personal motto 
is "Half the Distance, Twice the Time, Three Times the Fun."

One type is, I suspect, more brag/news/net-worthy, but that does not mean 
the other is not as common.
John G 

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[RBW] Riv Redwood for sale 65cm $1300 + shipping

[John G.]

Hi, newcomer here from snowy Montana.
I hope my first post does not raise eyebrows because I am selling
something.
I am a long time lurker who kept meaning to join, just not much of a
poster.

Anyway, I have a 65cm Redwood for sale.
I am more a mountain biker and trail runner these days and the Redwood
hardly gets ridden.

Here is a link to my Craigslist listing, with pics:

http://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/2796856811.html

Fire away with any questions.

Thanks,
John

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[RBW] FS: Atlantis 58cm

[John G.]

This is my wife's bike. It is a complete bike. She is the second (or maybe 
third) owner but is in great shape, she barely rode it.
Classic case of me thinking she would ride a lot with me if we got her a 
quality ride. :-)

Here is the CL link: http://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/2798067361.html

thanks, John

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[RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis 58cm

[John G.]

Hi C.J.

Yes that would be John's former frame!

John

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[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood for sale 65cm $1300 + shipping

[John G.]

SOLD!  Thanks!

John

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[RBW] Re: C&O in October

[John G]

I'll try to come by Indian Flats on my Quickbeam after work Tuesday to say 
hello. No camping though.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 10:40:18 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:
>
> Okay locals, I've coordinated with my family, factored in our constraints, 
> and even exchanged a couple of emails with Tony DeFilippo to get some tips. 
>  Here is our plan for the C&O tour "rolling start" for any who wish to 
> simply say "hi", ride with us a while, our ride with us all the way to 
> Cumberland.
>
> Our start date is Tuesday, October 6.
>
> Our train that includes friend (Steve Butcher), son-in-law (Carey Jones), 
> and me will depart out of Silver Spring, MD.  We'll make two stops to meet 
> up with folks.  The first stop will be in Bethesda.  We will meet up at 
> 0830 at Bethesda Bagels (http://www.bethesdabagels.com/) and plan to roll 
> out by 0915.  That allows us to reach our next stop at Fletchers Boathouse 
> (C&O rendezvous) by 0945ish.  From there we'll head north on the C&O for a 
> few days.  For any who might be joining us for part of the way, we plan to 
> lunch in Leesburg that Tuesday, and camp the first night at the Indian 
> Flats hiker/biker site at approx. mile 42.
>
> I believe Tony is planning to join us for the first day and overnight.  I 
> recall that Rusty, Erl, Jeff, Kellie, and Minh have all expressed interest 
> in some level of participation.  I hope to meet several of you on this 
> trip...and thanks again to everyone who offered planning help!
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>
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[RBW] Re: C&O in October

[John G]

After work yesterday I went down to Noland's Ferry and rode towards DC on 
my Quickbeam to find the group,  They were not at the campground yet, so I 
continued for a few miles until I found them.  We rode back to the camp 
site and I had a nice visit while everyone set up camp.  All too soon it 
was getting dark and I had to head home, but it was nice to meet fellow 
enthusiasts and share some time among them.

JohnG, Union Bridge, MD

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting Simple One mod into "touring/cx" bike

[John G]

I also have run a QB as a three speed, for several years as my only 
multi-geared bike. Although it is back to SS duty, if I ever come across 
another 64 QB and my finances are right, I'd pick it up to be a dedicated 
three-speed townie bike.  Love the way my QB rides. 
 I ran the shifter cable along the toptube and down the seatstay, after 
trying along the chainstay and whacking my foot against it too often. 
https://flic.kr/p/cScz1E
You can also see the non-rotation chain tugs I got a machinist friend to 
make me.
https://flic.kr/p/cScyTj
I put the shifter on a bar stub used as a bar bag mount point.  A bit 
kludgey, but worked fine for several years.
https://flic.kr/p/ofKPxf

Cheers,
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[RBW] Re: 63cm Homer Hilsen For Sale

[John G]

That link does not go to your photos.  If you have a Flickr account, it 
goes to the "organize" part of that.  Don't know where it goes for non 
Flickr account people.
BTW, Wish I could buy your bike, Just the right size.
John G

On Thursday, January 7, 2016 at 9:34:51 PM UTC-5, Donald Funke wrote:
>
> Here's the pics.https://www.flickr.com/photos/organize/?start_tab=new_set
>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Is the Roadeo gone?

[John G.]

Damn. Wish I had ordered one.

On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 11:00:55 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It sure looks gone to me, the metamorphosis to all MIT production Rivs is 
> almost complete. 

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[RBW] Of Quickbeams and Stone Bridges

[John G]

I've been visiting old bridges in Washington County, Maryland, adjacent to 
my home roads in Frederick County.  Several nice ones, dating from the 
first half of the 1800s.   The other week I took the Quickbeam along, 
always a risk in unfamiliar terrain with possible climbs out of stream 
valleys, but the bike and I both handled things OK.




The full album of that day's ride is here. 



Cheers,

 John Gorham
Union Bridge, MD

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - 600-mile tour on Joe Appaloosa

[John G.]

"I set up camp that night in a virtual swamp where mosquitoes terrorized me 
until I crawled into my tent to play trumpet" has got to be one of the best 
lines ever written about bike camping. I love it!

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 11:05:16 AM UTC-4, Brad Arnold wrote:
>
> Hello All. I hope you find this ride report useful, especially if you are 
> looking for your next adventure. A link to the photos is below the text.
>
>
> I teach at an independent high school in Staunton, VA, in the middle of 
> the Shenandoah Valley. This summer a number of us attended a conference in 
> Pittsburgh, PA, 400 miles away (800 round trip). Always looking for a 
> bicycle adventure, I decided to load up my Joe Appaloosa and ride to the 
> conference. I planned for six days up and six days back. The first two days 
> included state routes, both highway and rural back roads. The remainder of 
> the route utilized the C&O Canal towpath and the Great Allegheny Passage 
> (GAP), taking me all the into the city. My wife, also a teacher, met me on 
> the GAP, riding her Surly LHT. A colleague would ride with me on the return 
> trip.
>
>
> I loaded Joe with an unreasonable amount of gear. In addition to tent, 
> pad, sleeping bag, cook stuff, and extra clothes, I carried a number of 
> electronic gadgets and other things to keep me busy, including books. I 
> also carried all my business clothes for the conference. I placed those in 
> an Ortlieb waterproof duffle that kept them bone-dry during torrential 
> rains. Knowing a had a brass ensemble rehearsal when I returned, I even 
> strapped a trumpet to the front basket for nightly practice sessions. 
>
>
> The first two days had me traveling along roads that connected a number of 
> Civil War sites. I passed local battle markers every few miles and often 
> stopped to photo the bike next to them. As a graduate of the Virginia 
> Military Institute, I made sure to stop by General Thomas “Stonewall” 
> Jackson's headquarters in Winchester and New Market. Jackson taught a VMI 
> before the war and cadets fought as a corps in the 1864 Battle of New 
> Market, losing ten boys. The heat those two days was oppressive, often 
> exceeding 100 degrees. I drank plenty of liquids but found it hard to eat 
> anything of substance, leading to a weakened state and a nap under a tree 
> next to a McDonald's. Reaching Harper's Ferry at the end of day two, I 
> lugged the 100 pounds of bike and gear down the spiral metal staircase to 
> join the C&O trail. I set up camp that night in a virtual swamp where 
> mosquitoes terrorized me until I crawled into my tent to play trumpet. 
>
>
> My time on the canal towpath could not have been more different that the 
> previous days. Rain poured for 48 hours, exacerbating the flood conditions 
> already present in Maryland. The trail was a muddy, rutted mess. Crews 
> constructed temporary wooden bridges to allow travelers to cross numerous 
> washouts. The river was high and the canal itself full of algae-covered 
> water. Mosquitoes descended on me every time I stopped for a photo. Going 
> was rough, but my fenders kept most of the muck off me and the bicycle. I 
> enjoyed seeing the mountain bikers and gravel grinders covered in mud and 
> water as we passed each other. I hopped off the trail for thirty miles to 
> avoid the mess and also to visit Antietam National Battlefield Park. 
> Although the C&O is notorious for its poor trail conditions, I recommend 
> the ride to anyone who has the opportunity. Many of the locks are still 
> present and the views are beautiful.
>
>
> Rain continued to fall as I met my wife in Cumberland and the start of the 
> Great Allegheny Passage. We spent the first day climbing up to the Eastern 
> Continental Divide. The 25-mile climb was long, but not steep. Day two on 
> the GAP witnessed a break in the rain and the beginning of several days of 
> beautiful sun and moderate temperatures. We enjoyed the trail immensely, it 
> being well-maintained and smooth the entire route. We stayed at Husky 
> Haven, a great campground at Rocktown.
>
>
> Because I do not research routes much before hitting them, each little 
> trail town offered a pleasant surprise as we emerged from long stretches of 
> forest into areas of civilization. We experienced history from the French 
> and Indian War as we passed through areas traveled by George Washington and 
> General Braddock. An original 1756 fort gave us reenactments and we spent a 
> good amount of time exploring the wonderful town of Ohio Pyle, made famous 
> by its waterfalls. We crossed massive rail bridges and dashed through long 
> and dark tunnels (the Paw Paw canal tunnel is a sight to behold). The 
> riding was scenic and gave us innumerable moments of joy and shared 
> experiences. 
>
>
> After staying at a well-maintained campsite with shelters, we headed to 
> our destination in Pittsburgh. The route became more urban and turned into 
> paved sections winded through sub

Re: [RBW] How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

[John G.]

Given the fact that the paint on my Waterford Atlantis chips when I look 
funny at it, I refused to ride it in the winter until I had fenders on it. 
It doesn't stop ALL salt, but it helps.

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 9:07:46 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Even well-fitted, full-coverage fenders don't prevent dry salt from 
> getting all over my bike during a winter road ride.  It's like gravel/trail 
> dust in the summer, it gets everywhere.
>
> That's why I don't ride on the road much in the winter; my primary winter 
> riding is on trails.
>
> I did go on a group winter road ride last year, and I took my plastic (CF) 
> gravel bike.  It was equipped with 45 Nrth Gravdal studded tires and SKS 
> P45 longboard fenders (with mudflaps), yet my entire bike was rime-coated 
> like an ancient mariner after the ~20 mile ride.
>
> And I never ride my steel bikes in the winter.   Even a non-ferrous frame 
> has steel bits (bolts, chain, etc) that show rust pretty quickly, so 
> frequent washes are best.
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:07 PM, Lum Gim Fong  > wrote:
>
>> Yes, fenderless.
>>
>> I grow increasingly concerned, over  the years, of front end wrecks due 
>> to the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them 
>> happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so 
>> as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the 
>> clock will run out.
>>
>> So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice 
>> banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load 
>> carrying and no need for racks/fenders.
>>
>> But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on 
>> my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means 
>> white with dry salt.
>>
>> If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they 
>> fared?
>>
>> Thanks for relating your experiences!
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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Headtube Sizes?

[John G.]

Jeff’s sharp eye for Quickbeam headtubes is how I ended up with my 62. Jeff, 
did you ever get a 60?

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Re: [RBW] FS: 65 Homer Hilsen F/F/HS

[John G.]

Reed, I feel like you and I ride similar sized bikes. What’s your PBH?

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[RBW] Weight weenie report. Dia Compe 980 brakes

[John G.]

Any thoughts on the vertical adjustability of the pads?  Wondering if they’d 
suit a 27inch to 700c conversion. I guess Canti post spacing is also an issue 
that is have to consider.

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[RBW] Re: Weight weenie report. Dia Compe 980 brakes

[John G.]

Thanks. You're right. I revisit the idea of a 630 to 622 conversion 
periodically, and always walk away immediately. 

In any case, looking forward to your thoughts on the 980s on your road 
build.

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 2:15:45 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have no specific thoughts about the 980 suitability for a 630 to 622 
> conversion.  My general thoughts are that 630 to 622 conversions with 
> cantilever brakes are always massively compromised, and I'd personally 
> never bother with such a project.  If I was helping a friend who was 
> dead-set on such a project, I would use vintage style brakes that use post 
> style brake pads.  Like from my parts box I have some vintage Shimanos that 
> I'd try.  
>
> Bill 
>
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 10:50:33 AM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
>> Any thoughts on the vertical adjustability of the pads?  Wondering if 
>> they’d suit a 27inch to 700c conversion. I guess Canti post spacing is also 
>> an issue that is have to consider.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm Bleriot

[John G.]

I can't believe I'm asking this about a Rivendell, but what does the built 
up frame weigh? I was suffering  on the hills on my Crust LB this weekend, 
and might be in the market for a lighter 650B bike.

On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 4:46:06 PM UTC-4, Virgil Staphbeard wrote:
>
> Those were my thoughts, a 61 seem on par for an 89 PBH.
>
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 4:19:33 PM UTC-4, rob markwardt wrote:
>>
>> [image: fullsizeoutput_458.jpeg]
>> hmmm...do I need a spare? I have a 61 Bleriot and love it.  FYI...my pbh 
>> is also 89 and I find the size perfect for me.  In fact it's probably the 
>> smallest bike I own.  
>>
>>


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[RBW] Re: Weight weenie report. Dia Compe 980 brakes

[John G.]

I think I hijacked this thread. Apologies. I’ll DM next time.

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Re: [RBW] Have dynamo wheel your Roadeo?

[John G.]

I have SON dynamo hubs in two of my bikes. The drag is completely unnoticeable 
when the light is off, and almost imperceptible when it’s on. My ride data 
backs it up, too. If I get a Roadeo, it will have a dynamo hub.

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Re: [RBW] New(-to-me) Quickbeam

[John G.]

Welcome to ‘Beamhood! I worship mine. Wish I could have the exact same frame 
with gears, though I think part of the Quickbeam’s magic is its simplicity.

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[RBW] Re: New(-to-me) Quickbeam

[John G]

I've been running 45 Specialized Fatboy slicks for a while now and I'm 
pleased with them. 





Sometimes clearance is an issue...


Cheers,
John Gorham
Union Bridge, MD


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[RBW] Front vs. rear loads for AHH

[John G.]

+1 to Joe’s comment. I hated the way my Atlantis handled with a front load 
above the wheel. It’s much nicer with a rear load, or low riding front 
panniers. My point of comparison is my Crust Lightning Bolt, which is a delight 
with a front load. 

To be completely honest, I think the need for carrying more than 2-3 lbs of 
stuff up front on rides shorter than 300k is grossly exaggerated. Taking a 
quick brake to pull a banana nut muffin out of your saddlebag is hardly a 
massive constraint on most types of rides.

That being said, I did buy a low trail bike so that I could enjoy some sweet 
“swap my glasses for sunglasses while eating a stick of jerky while still 
maintaining 16 mph avg pace” action. 

The Homer is the Riv I wish I bought—don’t let its suitability for rear loads 
keep you from loving it!

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Re: [RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[John G]

Looks like a Cleland.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/38236150@N06/


On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 3:16:15 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> I think Jones still has high performance, progressive, rigid mtb market to 
> himself. I wonder how much cross shopping there will be between Jones and 
> this bike? Though the Jones starts at just $1100 for the unicrown frameset. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018, Kevin Mulcahy  > wrote:
>
>> To me it looks like the top tube is too short if it’s designed around 
>> swept back bars, which means you’re going to get handcuffed when riding 
>> around switchback. 
>>
>> How many rims out there that are suited for plus sized tires, tubeless 
>> compatible, and available for rim brake action? Slim pickens, no doubt. 
>> Especially for the silver lovers. Any rim brake options in 29+?
>>
>> I was hoping for more of a “high performance” all-rounder rigid mtb, like 
>> a rethought MB-1 designed around some more progressive or modern examples 
>> of mtb geometry. 
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[RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[John G.]

Sorry to hear that, and I understand your frustration. I’m sure the folks at 
Rivendell are incredibly frustrated, too. 

I had a Soma Smoothie, and it rode like a dead dog. My Waterford Atlantis was 
much better.

If you can’t wait, you might want to consider a Black Mtn Road. I have one, and 
it’s the only reason I don’t have a Roadini.

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[RBW] Re: Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[John G.]

YES! Bummed I won't be back in my hometown for this ride.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 10:01:04 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> [image: 671-1075.jpg]
>
>
> She's a beaut, no?
>
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 10:13:30 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>> It's officialthere's gonna be a patch.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

[John G.]

I'll be there on my Lightning Bolt!

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 9:15:34 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> I will be there with my Sam.

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

[John G.]

It really was an amazing time. The riders were all incredibly friendly, and 
there was plenty of trail camaraderie when people got the inevitable flat. 
I did the 50-miler, which was sometimes a bit too technical for a city 
slicker like me (though the real limitation in gettin' rad was the low 
spoke count on my front wheel). The route was gorgeous--dappled sunlight in 
pretty woods, quaint towns and houses, a few good vistas, and an awesomely 
brief ferry ride. The townsfolk and drivers were also highly friendly and 
considerate.

And damn, Peter Weigle knows how to pick out a line on some single track. 
He was SHREDDING on his Shrinko.

On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-4, A. Nostuh wrote:
>
> The MOM contingent was well represented but hoping for even more next year

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

[John G.]

Another takeaway from the Nor'Easter. The Cheviot is a REALLY versatile 
bike. I was left open-mouthed at the way the Cheviots performed on this 
ride. If I wasn't so far over my bike limit, I'd get one in a heartbeat.

On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 4:28:30 PM UTC-4, A. Nostuh wrote:
>
> “Carriage roads” are the new “gravel road”. 
>
> To be on the bleeding edge of bike trends you must now have a carriage 
> road bike in the stable. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[John G.]

Amen to this line: "fit, handling and build are far higher priorities to 
me." Now, a I'd much rather take 25 pound than a 35 pound bike on brevet, 
but a bike that fits and handles well will ALWAYS be more enjoyable for me 
than a featherweight jitterbug that has me straining to even reach the 
hooks. 

Bill, what's your gearing on the Roadini? I'm a bit terrified that 5K of 
climbing is considered flat for a 200K! Smart gearing seems essential.

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 5:03:04 PM UTC-5, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> Bill, very enjoyable report, congrats for a great day on tbe bike. Steve
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 9:32 AM Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Yesterday was the Del Puerto Canyon 200k brevet, hosted by San Francisco 
>> Randonneurs. Luckily for me the day remained conflict-free and I was able 
>> to do it.  It was the 26th RUSA event of my career of 200k or greater, and 
>> I logged my best time ever: 8 hours 18 minutes.  
>>
>> I woke up a little earlier than I needed to, at 4:45AM.  I was able to 
>> pack light because of the amazing weather forecast.  The Del Puerto Canyon 
>> 200k starts and finishes in Pleasanton, CA, just south of Mount Diablo.  
>> The ride goes out and over the hills that make up the Altamont 
>> Pass,meanders through the flat farm roads around Tracy and Wesley, and then 
>> returns out and over the same hills via Del Puerto Canyon.  The forecast 
>> called for temps in the low 50s to start and venturing into the high 70s in 
>> some places.  So I wore bib-shorts, a light base layer, short sleeve 
>> jersey, arm warmers and a reflective vest.  The ride started at 8AM, which 
>> would be light enough to not require any lighting.  Sunset would come at 
>> about 6PM, so I did bring lights just in case I went over 10 hours.  I 
>> carried a little Cygolite Dart (from Riv), a battery taillight, and two 
>> elastic head lamps that could serve as backup head or tail lights. I also 
>> carried a USB battery stick in case I needed to boost my phone, Wahoo, or 
>> headlight.  In my Ruthworks rackless Brevet bag went those lighting bits, a 
>> few bars, and a travel size sunscreen for when the armwarmers came off and 
>> the guns came out.  I made coffee and breakfast, got lubed up and dressed 
>> and I was a good 25 minutes ahead of schedule.  I had planned to catch the 
>> 6:20AM Bart train, and it's a 5-minute bomb down the hill to get to the 
>> Bart station.  I went ahead and decided to grab the 6:00AM train instead 
>> and left early, and still had to wait on the platform for several minutes.  
>> The Fremont Train takes me down past Oakland to the transfer station at Bay 
>> Fair, where I transfer to a Pleasanton train to head over the hills in 
>> Castro Valley out to the start. There was a delay due to track repair, and 
>> a chilly wait for my Pleasanton train, but I was still at the start with my 
>> card in plenty of time.  
>>
>> The turnout for this event was huge; the biggest ever for this event 
>> which was first run in 2011.  ~150 randos had signed up, partially because 
>> of the great weather forecast, partially because there is always an uptick 
>> in participation the year before a PBP year, and partially because this is 
>> SFRs flattest 200k, with "only" 5300 ft of climbing. It was a huge bunch 
>> that started off. I didn't want to get sucked up with any of the 'too fast' 
>> groups, so I looked for familiar SFR riders who I knew were in my time-zone 
>> and hung with them for the first ~15 miles through the urban streets of 
>> Pleasanton and Livermore before the first climb began. That first climb was 
>> around 1200ft, with a gradually increasing grade all along its length, 
>> topping off at around 10% at the peak. This did a good job of stretching 
>> out the riders, and there was essentially no traffic so it was a great time 
>> to move up. I was feeling good, so I left the familiar group behind and 
>> passed a lot of slower riders. I was aiming for a decent time, and one way 
>> to make a good time is to not waste a lot of time at controls. The first 
>> control threatened to be a time sink if you arrive within a few minutes of 
>> a lot of other riders, because there would be only one volunteer to stamp 
>> your card, while a second volunteer checks your name on the roster. I was 
>> motivated to move up if I could, and I found a great rhythm on Leo. 
>> Checking my Strava, the majority of the climb is captured in the "Tesla 
>> Topper" segment. That 8.24 mile segment climbs 981ft, and I averaged 
>> 13.3mph for that segment. If I could average >20kph on one of the few 
>> climbs, a sub-10-hour ride and finishing before dark was looking good. 
>>
>> I found a partner to paceline with on the fast descent, who noted "we 
>> should get the miles in NOW, while we have a tailwind". The descent and the 
>> flat farm roads on the valley floor felt like cheating, we were moving 
>> really fast. I found another group of strong riders to work with on the 
>>

[RBW] Re: Request to support Richmond Composite (OT)

[John G.]

Awesome charity. A previous job had me visit a lot of Title I schools, and 
man, that experience really brought some truths home for me. I remember 
reading an essay by a kid, the prompt for which was "If you could go 
anywhere in the world, where would you go?" The kid's response was 
"Walmart." Broke my heart a bit. Any program that brings new experiences to 
underserved students is alright by me.


On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 5:16:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I'm team mechanic and an assistant coach for El Cerrito High School 
> Mountain Bike Racing.  We're a decent sized team, all from the same school, 
> which puts us in D1 competing against other schools like Berkeley High and 
> Albany High.  Some of the teams are smaller and many individual schools 
> have too few riders to support a team, so they form "composite" teams that 
> include riders from several schools.  San Francisco Composite is a 
> powerhouse, as is Oakland Composite.  This year I've noticed a couple new 
> Composite teams that warm my heart. Tops on that short list is Richmond 
> Composite. Richmond, California is a rough town in the East Bay, with a 
> comparatively depressed local economy, and a lot of lower income families. 
> The Richmond Composite Mountain Bike Racing Team offers a great way to 
> expose lower income and minority teens to the outdoors and to cycling.  
> They also put a bunch of extra effort into including non-English speakers 
> and girls.  Richmond Composite has a fundraiser happening this Wednesday, 
> March 28th at Clif Bar Headquarters in Emeryville.  If you are an Easy Bay 
> bike person and want to be involved, here is info about the event:
>
> https://richmondcomposite.brownpapertickets.com/
>
> If you are not an East Bay bike person, or you are busy on Wednesday 
> night, but want to help out an incredible all-volunteer team, here's their 
> gofundme site:
>
> https://www.gofundme.com/richmondcomp
>
> I'm almost certainly going to be there Wednesday night, and I'll be trying 
> to parlay my donation into a jersey.  Richmond has some SWEET low-key team 
> jerseys.  Scroll down:
>
> https://www.richmondcomposite.com/who-we-are/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Un-unracing again: Wahoo Elemnt Bolt

[John G.]

I recently picked up a Wahoo Elemnt Bolt, too (based on Bill's rec via 
iBob. Used it for a few 50 milers in unfamiliar territory, and enjoyed it a 
bunch. Will post more feedback when I've used it more.

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 8:56:21 AM UTC-4, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>
> Nice setup. Looks like you got something to motivate you, which is always 
> good. 
>
> I've used a bunch of Garmins in the past and now use a Fenix 5 watch to 
> track stuff and have not had an issue with any of the units, but I'm glad 
> to see Wahoo competing against Garmin. The only Wahoo product I have 
> experience with is my Kickr, and I frankly love that thing. 
>
> Next up you will get a power meter and then get crazy geeky about numbers 
> like -  FTP, CTL, ATL, TSB, TSS, 6 week TSS average blah, blah, 
> blah...which will all tell you that you love to ride bikes. lol 
>
> Seriously though, if you are into training, being able to quantify it with 
> good data points is really awesome. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 4:21:25 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm mostly an unracer, but I work hard for a Racing Team, and I train 
>> with that Racing Team, so I'm a part-time un-unracer.  I count my miles on 
>> Strava, and earn badges for climbing and mileage, and I gauge my fitness by 
>> setting PR's on segments in the area.  
>>
>> I've upped my un-unracer game by finally going full-techno, and I spent 
>> my REI dividend on a modern cyclometer, the Wahoo Elemnt Bolt.  The local 
>> Randos who didn't like Garmin for various reasons all seemed to like the 
>> Wahoo, so that's what I bought.  It's a GPS unit, which pairs to my phone 
>> over bluetooth, and connects to the internet over my WiFi.  It captures all 
>> my ride data and syncs it to Strava on my phone, so I no longer need to use 
>> GPS on my phone, which extends my phone battery life.  The Elemnt allegedly 
>> has a ~14hr battery life fully active.  Today I did one of my benchmark 
>> rides on it, and I used a heart rate monitor, which adds another aspect of 
>> entertaining numbers-geekery.  My bundle also came with a separate cadence 
>> sensor and a separate speed sensor, but I haven't used those yet, and may 
>> not ever.  Whether my fitness is good, or having a cyclometer motivates me 
>> to go harder, or my new Black Mountain Monster Cross is simply an 
>> extraordinary bike, I can't quite tell, but I set a ton of PRs this 
>> beautiful morning, even though I was on 29x2.0 knobbies, on roads that I've 
>> ridden numerous times with a "road bike". It definitely makes me feel that 
>> "it's mainly the motor".  Since I'm fitter, and since I've lost 20 lbs, and 
>> since I had a screen to look at, and since I'm on a cool new bike, I 
>> pedaled harder and went faster.  
>>
>> Here's a shot of my kind of crowded cockpit:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Bill un-unracing Lindsay
>>
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Sam Hillborne gravel (under)biking?

[John G]

Nice report and photos Austin. What a  great day for a ride around these 
parts. I opted for a afternoon ramble in the eastern part of Frederick 
County on my Quickbeam. 
Not too far. 
Not too fast. 
Not too steep. 
Not too short. 
Not too slow. 
Not too flat.
Just...Happiness.

Cheers
John Gorham
Union Bridge, MD


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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Sam Hillborne gravel (under)biking?

[John G]

Close, Pearre.

On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 10:25:59 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Sams creek road?

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[RBW] Re: NYC Bike Rental Recommendations.

[John G.]

I don't have tips on rentals, but here was a good thread on local rides:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/KVox7ClDYR8/CuLRYnp_CAAJ;context-place=topic/rbw-owners-bunch/6DGCdJktLmo

Don't discount taking a train to NJ!

On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 10:35:07 AM UTC-4, Leslie Tierstein wrote:
>
> If you're going to be in town for the Five Boro Bike Tour, and want to 
> rent in town, you probably need to do so ASAP because many of the bike 
> shops have special deals for renting bikes to riders in that Sunday ride.  
> Sorry, don't have any knowledge of bike shops that rent bikes in towns 
> along the RR lines.  Your best bet -- both for bikes and for trails/riding 
> -- might be to take the Westchester line out of town and check the towns 
> and trails up in Westchester county and beyond. 
>
> As for Citibike (Bike Share) definitely use it for trips in town.  (I do, 
> even when I have a bike with me.) It has spread to cover much more 
> territory than a few years ago. The only caveat for you is that: I found a 
> shortage of docking stations in midtown (40s and 50s). And, depending on 
> what neighborhood you're going to, at what time, it can be difficult to 
> find an available bike or a docking station to return a bike.  I've 
> frequently had to go to the second- or third-closest docking station when I 
> was trying to park a bike in the West Village at night after 7 PM. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 9:44:41 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>
>> I'll be in New York for a few days at the beginning of May and will have 
>> at least one full free day.
>> Looking for recommendations for bike rentals or if bike share system is 
>> preferable.
>> I'll be staying in Midtown, so thinking maybe bike share would be best 
>> for getting around the city, but in case I want to venture further, any 
>> recommendations for taking a train out of the city and renting a bike for a 
>> few hours?
>> Any Riv-ish shops worth stopping in at while I'm there?
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> River Grove, IL
>>
>

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[RBW] Frank Jones Sr Finally "done"

[John G.]

+1 on the fender lines. Beautiful. These FJSs look wonderful.

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[RBW] Re: 300k ride report: Samuel Hillborne still rules

[John G.]

Congrats, Bill, and thank you for the write-up. It provided some much 
needed inspiration before I take on my first 200K brevet this weekend. 
Debating whether I ride my Atlantis (sturdy and hefty but supremely 
comfortable), my Lightning Bolt (probably perfect, but perhaps overkill), 
or my Mercian Superlight (my comfy go fast).

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:30:15 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Bob K asked for the route:
>
> Link to Sky Londa 300k on RideWithGPS 
> 
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 4:27:20 PM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> Nice, Bill! Hoping to do my first 200K this year on my revamped ‘09 
>> orange Sam. Thanks for the additional inspiration! Have a link to the route 
>> or gps track? I’m always curious how the rides out west compare to the 
>> rollers in MD. 
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seen on My Instagram: My new 57cm Legolas Frameset

[John G.]

You're my goddamned hero, Bill. That looks beyond excellent. Build it up 
and report ASAP!

I would love a lean, nimble bike with cantis...the Legolas and the Rock 
Lobster top my list.

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 12:24:43 AM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> Nice! My two dream bikes would be a Legolas and a Waterford Atlantis.
>
> Eamon
> Seattle 
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[John G.]

That's honestly one of the prettiest finishes I've seen. It's haunting.

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 9:56:35 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> See it first here ... 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hunqabeam-quickapillar-frame-and-paint
>
> I’m working to build it up. I have a grey plaid Nigel Smythe saddlebag on 
> the way, and in a few weeks will get the grey backabike bags, but I expect 
> I’ll hit the trails with Shadowfax before that.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Quickbeam vs Roadeo/Legolas

[John G.]

Hi,

I’ve been really enjoying my new-to-me Quickbeam. I love the simplicity of its 
single speed setup, but its geometry, handling, and ride quality (and my 
particular fit on a 62cm) have truly impressed me.

I’m looking to take my aged Mercian Superlight out of heavy rotation, and I’ve 
been pondering a Roadeo for a few years. I’m curious if anyone has experience 
with both a Quickbeam AND a Roadeo (or Legolas), and would like to share their 
thoughts. And yes, I get that one has gears and the other does not.

It’s also been fun to note the slight similarities between my Atlantis and the 
Quickbeam. It’s hard to pin it down, but they remind me a bit of each other in 
the way they ride. A certain calmness, a feeling of predictability and 
reassurance...then again, it could be my imagination.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs Roadeo/Legolas

[John G.]

Thank you, Joe! Maybe it’s because an Atlantis is my reference point, but I 
always felt the QB was pretty lively. Great to know that the Legolas is even 
sportier.

Outstanding Legolas, btw. 

Roadeo owners: any comments?

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[John G.]

That’s easily my favorite double top tube design from Rivendell. Looks very 
classy!

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[RBW] FS - Orange Quickbeam complete - 64 c-to-c

[John G.]

No affiliation, but I want to plug this. I’ve only owned my QuickBeam for about 
two months, but I think I have more fun on it than almost any other bike I own. 
 This is around what I paid for mine, and for me it was worth every penny. Of 
the three Rivendell’s I’ve owned (Atlantis, Hunq, and QB) it’s my favorite 
model, though that’s probably because it’s most suited to the vast majority of 
riding I currently do.

For sizing reference. I have a 90 PBH and could probably do a 62 or 64.

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[RBW] Re: offRoadini

[John G.]

D and R is great! Columbia Rail Trail is even better! The Paulinskill and 
Sussex Branch Trails are pretty good, too.

The NJDOT page shared earlier has a ton of great rides in Jersey. Shades of 
Death is a favorite, as is Great Swamp and Round Valley Roundabout.

There’s even some decent gravel riding in Bedminster NJ, if you can stomach 
being close to a certain golf course ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[John G.]

I own an Atlantis and Quickbeam, and I sold a Hunqapillar. Loved all of 
them in different ways, but there's some really wonderful about the 
Quickbeam. Obviously, it's a very different bike than the Atlantis, but it 
just has a magic feel to it. Sturdy and nimble.

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 8:11:32 PM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I have owned four ( two Roadeos). For me it's a toss up between my old Ram 
> and my current Roadeo. Both are wonderful bikes and are great for longish 
> rides. Impeccable handling.
>
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 3:30:55 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I've owned 5: 3 custom Roads, 56 (55?) single tt, canti Sam, and blue 
>> Ram, later model with room for 32s and fenders and space in between.
>>
>> I put more miles on the 2003 Curt, just about identical to the '99 Joe 
>> gofast in frame geometry, drivetain/saddle/bar components and setup; it 
>> just adds all the accoutrements -- fenders, racks f/r, dynolights, bell fer 
>> gosh's sakes -- that you'd reasonably want for an "errand" bike, But, (just 
>> rode it) I have to say that the stripper gofast is just *more fun* to 
>> ride, measured by response in drivetrain to effort in legs. I don't know 
>> why this is so, since the '03 has largely the same drivetrain, and wheels 
>> -- same tires, Elk Pass -- as the '99. There is probably a 7 lb weight 
>> differenceboth bikes unladen ('99 is 18.1 now that it adds second bottle 
>> cage and Dingle on flip side); and the '03 is very often laden; but -- I 
>> dunno. 
>>
>> I realize that all of this is very relative to your own type of riding; 
>> but for me, if someone held a gun to my head and said: "One bike; choose 
>> now!", I'd have to choose the '99 Joe.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[John G.]

Is it stated anywhere that Waterford AHHs are a thing of the past? I assumed 
you could still get one. If you can’t, I won’t moan. I’ve spent 4 years gazing 
at them, but haven’t ordered one. Wish I had.

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[John G.]

Looking forward to the catalog. I will be interested to see the differences 
between the MIT Homer and Sam--is down to cantis vs calipers? STA and 
chainstays? Clearance? 

I have to say that my two most recent non-Riv frames were Made in Taiwan, 
and they really are tremendously well done. I've heard some folks say that 
MIT forks are overbuilt, but IMHO that's not really a problem unless you're 
running 23-25mm tires. 

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-4, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> It's just great to know that you can still get a blast from the past. 
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 2:43:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Anybody can order a Legolas today.  It'll be built by Nobilette.  Mark A 
>> will call Mark N. and tell him "build a Legolas, size xx, and Mark N will 
>> know precisely what to do because he has the sheet.  My personal 'standard 
>> options' were
>>
>> -slightly more TT slope (2 degree vs 1.5 degree)
>> -no pump peg
>> -no rear brake hanger
>> -fender bosses on rear bridges
>>
>> Anybody can order a Nobilette Bombadil, Glorious, Wilbury today.  
>>
>> *I don't know if you can order a Nobilette frame that says Quickbeam on 
>> it, or Rambouillet, or Bleriot, or Simple One.*  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 11:05:42 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>>>
>>> So, with Bill’s Legolas — a frame long ago discontinued — I assume that 
>>> unless the blueprints and tooling to make them have been eaten, anyone 
>>> could call Riv and ask for any of the discontinued frames. 
>>>
>>> Anyone experience a case where this isn’t true? 
>>>
>>> Tom
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[John G.]

This was a delight to have on a long Acela ride today. Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Tall 63cm A. Homer Hilsen FS on Hudson Valley CL

[John G.]

Oh man...my size, and not too far from me. The Homer is the original 
Rivendell that caught my eye, but I ended up buying an Atlantis. Love the 
Atlantis, but this is tempting.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 5:56:39 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I do not know the poster, never seen the bike. Although I ride in that 
> neck of the woods often, it's rare to see other cyclists on most of my 
> routes.
>
>
> https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/bik/d/rivendell-homer-hilsen-63cm/6583551671.html
>
>
> The ad seems normal, though too bad only one photo included
>
> [image: 1]
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Tall 63cm A. Homer Hilsen FS on Hudson Valley CL

[John G.]

Phew! If it had been available over the weekend, I would've ended up with 
another bike and a frustrated fiancee. 

I still want one, though. 

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 11:00:39 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> Appears to be sold.  Someone got a great bike in a rarely available size!
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[John G.]

Nothing prettier than a loaded Atlantis. Enjoy!

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