Re: [RBW] Expert level bike commuting strategies?

[Eric Daume]

Just to clarify, wandrer.earth is $30/YEAR, not per month. It’s a lot of
fun to use. It took me a good nine months to cover the ~440 miles in my
town. Rides get less and less efficient at picking up new miles as you ride…

Eric

On Friday, October 27, 2023, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Since you're recording your commute on Strava, I'd recommend having a look
> at Wandrer.earth.  It's ADDICTIVE to compulsive sorts like me.  What it
> will do is incentivize picking an entirely different route each way, each
> time.  What Wandrer does is it colors every rideable road and trail on
> Earth red, and everything you ride gets colored blue.  It's like a binary
> heat map.  You get no credit for riding the same route a thousand times.
> It's gratifying to lay down a footprint in NYC and see it grow.  I'm laying
> down a footprint in Silicon Valley now that they've moved my office down
> there.  It's $30 a month, and it's a one-man operation.  He uses the money
> for a good cause.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 7:26:25 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Lately I have been biking to work again, from my home in Queens to work
>> in Manhattan. Unfortunately, my commute is less than ideal. There are few
>> bike lanes in my neighborhood. I leave at 6:30, when it’s dark and cold
>> outside. There are lots of big trucks and fast drivers. It’s hilly. Then,
>> when I get to the bike lane section of the ride, it’s crowded with electric
>> bikes, deliveristas, and stand-up electric scooters.
>>
>> My commute is 7.8 miles point to point, and I make it in about 53
>> minutes. I started keeping track of my times on Strava. I like looking at
>> my records (eastbound across Central Park in 1:40!) but I feel Strava is
>> mostly a record of how long I get stuck at red lights. There are so many
>> stoplights that I struggle to raise my average speed over 11 MPH.
>>
>> I use one Ortlieb bag, and I’ve tried to lighten my load as much as
>> possible. Yet, I still feel like I am carrying a lot to work. One thing
>> I’ve been doing is rolling my work clothes and putting rubber bands around
>> them. That helps with the organization.
>>
>> I’m riding my Rivendell Appaloosa with a big back rack and fenders.
>> Fortunately, even after riding it for about 7 years, the bike still feels
>> amazing. I also feel great getting so much exercise, and I find I feel I
>> have more energy on days I ride compared to when I take the subway.
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has any bike commuting advice? I’m finding it
>> hard to stay motivated. I want advanced level advice - not just “keep your
>> tires pumped up,” but more along the lines of “Buy 5 Bromptons and have
>> your wife drop them off at work every Sunday so you can ride one home per
>> day.” One thing I might try is a lighter wheelset on the same bike. As Bill
>> Lindsay said, “If everybody had a gravity knob on their bike, we would all
>> peg it to the minimum.”
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Bluelug Visit to Rivendell (Video)

[Eric Daume]

I was in Japan this last week for the auto show, but got a chance to visit
Blue Lug. What a great shop! Though maybe it’s best for my wallet that it’s
not so close (and most of the frames seemed to top out at a medium, too
small for XL me). It was still fun to see so many of these frames in real
life.

Eric

On Sunday, October 29, 2023, Minh  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa-kyowhoQQ
>
> Great informal video of Blue Lug team visiting Rivendell HQ with a show
> and tell of different staff member bikes.
>
> I just visited Blue Lug last month and was amazed at how successful they
> have become, i only knew them as an online store, but with multiple
> locations, tons of products, i could argue that they are more successful
> than Rivendell, but in this video they are still so curious and interested
> in everything.
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Re: [RBW] It finally happened re: Clem stock tires

[Eric Daume]

I absolutely hated the stock tires on the Clem (Kenda Kwik Nines at the
time). Maybe the worst feeling tire I’ve ever experienced. I can’t imagine
six years on those things!

Eric

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Well after 6 years of owning my Clem and riding it at least 1x weekly,
> usually 4-5x weekly, I got a flat.
>
> I was doing my normal 3 mode commute, by car to the train station, by
> train into town and by bike from the train station to the office.  Well I
> rode my bike from the car to the train and was goofing off a bit and I
> thought it was a seamless transition from the grass to the sidewalk in the
> pre dawn light, well, it was actually a large sharp edge that was about
> 4-5" higher than the grass.  Thankfully didn't go down, the front wheel
> rolled over it but I'm guessing I either got a pinch or just exploded the
> tube internally.
>
> I hung the bike up on the train and got out my laptop and did normal work
> laptop stuff while riding the 40 minutes down to the office.  Well when I
> stood up to unrack my Clem the front tire was flat.  Well I've never had a
> flat on Clem before and although I had a spare tube, I did not have a pump
> or other method of inflation.  So I hike a bike'd the 2.5 miles to the
> office.
>
> I was able to buy a Schwalbe tube at the e-Bike store across the street,
> albeit for a princely $18 for a SV19.  It's been holding air ever since, so
> hopefully it will be another 6 years before I have another flat.
>
> Gratuitous bike pic:  Clem on the train on a different day.
>
> Jim
> ATX
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Re: [RBW] Bag options on an Albastache bar?

[Eric Daume]

Another vote for a saddle bag:


On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 7:05 PM Frank Brose  wrote:

> I use a Riv Banana bag.
> Frank
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 5:57:33 PM UTC-6 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> This is and old moustache bar build from several years ago but this
>> upcycled military surplus style small saddle bag worked great, both on the
>> moustache bar as well as in the similar central ‘pocket’ of some butterfly
>> trekking bars.  Same thing with the smaller VO Croissant bag pictured on
>> the saddle.
>>
>>  I’m now using the same bag on a Chocomoose bar and it does snug up
>> better with the stick mount on the flat center of the Chocomoose than it
>> did with the dirt drop stem and moustache bar or trekking bar, since the
>> stick tends to hit the stem bolts, but the size and shape otherwise tuck
>> well into the curve of the moustache style bars.  Certainly not as roomy as
>> some larger bags like a Ron’s Chest but no interference with the brakes or
>> grips that I recall and the saddle loop strap spacing pretty much fits
>> within the same space.  Maybe if you have enough room to offset the bag
>> below the levers like I would with a tall frame you may have greater
>> clearance between a bigger bag and the grips/levers.  I just never tried
>> any bags larger than shown here with this setup, unfortunately.
>>
>> Best of luck!
>>
>> Brian Cole
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Plenty of options if you use a saddlebag!
>>>
>>> Patrick "all rear loading all the time" Moore
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 9:22 AM Jon Craig (Vendraen) 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> So I'm wondering what my options are for bags on an Albastache setup. I
 currently have a Mark's rack with an Acorn Bags boxy Random, but I'd rather
 run something like a Ron's Bikes Fabio's Chest. Has anyone done this? Is it
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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Eric Daume]

IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern than a
real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:

- a middle ring for the majority of your riding
- a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
- a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your medium
and small cogs and back.

Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant
gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway.

Eric
Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio

On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson 
wrote:

> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm telling
> myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible thing?
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, which is
>> something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to their own
>> practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a drivetrain by
>> identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high you want your
>> high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly combination to get
>> there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that you'll find that you
>> need to drop into the small ring for every hill, whereas if you have a
>> triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring most of the time and save
>> a lot of front shifts, even though you have more rings up there.
>>
>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - above
>> that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 tops. On
>> the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want something in
>> the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 24-25 inches is
>> good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings such that I
>> truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can run a big ring
>> on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 11-34 is a
>> great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some smaller steps on
>> the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most situations
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more
>>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if
>>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I
>>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear
>>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low
>>> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>>>
>>>
>>> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode...
>>> apologies in advance if this is too much.
>>>
>>> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 50x34
>>> combos became all the rage. That's a 39% jump, the way I measure it
>>> (Ln(50/34)), or about 2.5 times the 15.4% jump from 18 to 21 in back. Now,
>>> if you keep that 16 tooth gap but go down to 40x24, that's a ginormous 51%
>>> jump, which is 3.3x the 18-21 jump. I have a 42x26 on my Waterford ST-22,
>>> and it's definitely jarring to drop to the small ring when you hit a hill,
>>> requiring a bit of advance planning to shift a cog harder in the rear,
>>> first. I spent plenty of time riding half-step gearing, so I'm facile with
>>> double-shifting, but after a couple hundred kms I'm too tired for that. For
>>> my Breadwinner G-Road I went with 44x32, which is a gentle 32% jump. It
>>> means there's more overlap in the gearing, or to put it another way, I'm
>>> not maximizing the total range of the system, but I very much prefer to
>>> make that trade-off. At 41%, the 14-tooth gap on the Silver 42x28's on my
>>> Sams is pretty much the outer limit for me. The Wide-Low (38x24) is a 46%
>>> jump which is pretty high.
>>>
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>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] 135mm hub rear wheel in a roadini?

[Eric Daume]

I had a Roadini and attempted to put my 135mm ENO hub in the back. It was a
no go—the frame was too stiff to bend out. Maybe being the eccentric hub
made this more difficult.

By comparison, I had no issue putting a 135mm hub in my old 130mm BMC
Monstercross, or a 130mm hub in my 126mm old road bikes.

Eric

On Sunday, December 17, 2023, Brenton Eastman 
wrote:

> I am considering buying a Roadini frame to build up with a mix of
> new/old/bin parts.
>
> I have a Velocity Dyad/Deore/SP dynamo wheelset I used on my Sam Hillborne
> and I'm wondering if that's a safe/doable option to put on a Roadini.
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Re: [RBW] Coaster Brakes for a Beachy Clem Build

[Eric Daume]

Handsome has some coaster wheels for ~$150, but spaced at 110mm:

https://handsomecycles.com/products/handsome-handbuilt-rear-wheel-single-speed-coaster-brake-aluminum-700c-silver

Eric

On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 12:58 PM Justin Kennedy 
wrote:

> I'm considering converting my 64 Clem L frame into a beach cruiser and kid
> hauler to keep at my in-laws' place in Florida. The bike is currently
> stripped down to just F/F/HS/BB, so starting from scratch here. I can
> source most of the components from my various parts bins, but looking into
> doing a coaster brake set up which I do not have on-hand.
>
> Anyone have experience with setting up a coaster brake'd bike? (Not
> specifically on a Clem, just any bike in general.) I see MONē has a pretty bas
> ass coaster brake wheel
>  that's
> built on-demand, but I'm not sure it's worth $325++ as I'd prefer to keep
> the build as inexpensive as possible (we're only down there a few times a
> year). Any other off-the-shelf coaster brake wheelset recommendations?
>
> Also, what other fun components make it a certified beach cruiser? I have
> some VO Klunker bars to throw on there and I got some some inspirational
> ideas at the two below links (LOOK barefoot pedals per Crust Matt's
> Romanceur, pops of anodized components, etc.). Maybe a B-O-B or Frances
> Cycles trailer to haul gear to the beach? What else is fun?
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/the-coaster-brake-challenge-and-yall-thought-you-were-a-freak/
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> https://droppedchain.com/first-gen-romanceur/
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Sam Hillbourne 62cm $500

[Eric Daume]

Interesting it has a canti fork and caliper brakes in the rear. I wonder if
the fork was replaced due to a crash, or they just wanted stronger brakes?

Eric

On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 11:11 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1389606294980753/
>
> 52 minutes ago in Nashville, TN
>
> no personal interest.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
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Re: [RBW] Will Cliffhangers leave me hanging?

[Eric Daume]

If your tires are narrow enough (less than 38mm or so) the Kool Stop tire
jack is great to lever that last section of bead on. I carry it with me on
bikes with difficult tire/rim combos.

Eric

On Thursday, December 28, 2023, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Looking for some Cliffhanger wisdom.  It seems that I am having a good
> amount of trouble mounting Schwalbe Marathons on my Cliffhangers.  So much
> so that I worry about a tire change in the field, such as the Oregon
> Outback, and been stranded.  I am now carrying a large screwdriver to get
> the leverage  needed to mount the last bit of tire on the rim.  Have not
> pinched more that two tubes in the last fifty years of flat fixing.
> Yesterday, I pinched two and scratched the heck out of the rim.  Not to
> mention bending the cool aluminum CyclePro tire levers that I have had
> since high school.
> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curtis
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Re: [RBW] Roadini Feedback

[Eric Daume]

I briefly had a Roadini a few summers back. I really like the proportions
of it--the tall head tube, long (but not too long) chainstays, but I
wouldn't consider it a sporty road bike. The vintage Treks I've had have
felt considerably sprightlier. To me, the Roadini felt more like an old
school touring bike: long, stiff, stable.

https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-bike-rivendell-roadini.html

Eric

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 12:54 PM Chris Fly  wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be
> some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I
> got from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a
> Ram for a short time.
>
> So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when riding?
> I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some bikes can
> weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, but I
> like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping around at
> my, fast for me, 18-19 mph..
>
> I would be looking to build up with drop bars BTW with a modern-ish
> group..
>
> Finally, anyone have a 50cm frameset (or complete maybe) they are looking
> to move?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris is Sonoma County, CA :)
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[Eric Daume]

I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing
build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on
my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, and
unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?

I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch
instead.

Eric
Not a long reach fan, even in flat
Plain City OH

On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:

> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty
> stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged single
> speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires
> courtesy of cantilever mounts.
>
> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was being
> designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my personal
> interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the phrase
> ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's the
> whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT
> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.
>
> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single speed
> Lightning Bolt.
> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my position
> some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally hoping for.
> But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a single rear
> and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this up and push
> back against my inner purist ;-)
> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
>
> Mike M
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube model
>> (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, Homer)? The
>> front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me think a long
>> top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your
>>> own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair of
>>> long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell.
>>> One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and
>>> geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks
>>> and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some corrosion
>>> visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is
>>> the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice metal
>>> pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some point
>>> he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake,
>>> grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake
>>> and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55
>>> shipped for the 556s.
>>>
>>> Photos:
>>>
>>> 556
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/
>>> album-72157634724093620/
>>>
>>> 365
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/
>>> album-72157634724093620/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new
 bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some reference to
 it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of all the details.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[Eric Daume]

The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach
brakes.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan  wrote:

> What about vo grand cru brakes?
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing
>> build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on
>> my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, and
>> unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?
>>
>> I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch
>> instead.
>>
>> Eric
>> Not a long reach fan, even in flat
>> Plain City OH
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:
>>
>>> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty
>>> stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged single
>>> speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires
>>> courtesy of cantilever mounts.
>>>
>>> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was being
>>> designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my personal
>>> interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the phrase
>>> ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's the
>>> whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT
>>> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.
>>>
>>> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single
>>> speed Lightning Bolt.
>>> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my position
>>> some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally hoping for.
>>> But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a single rear
>>> and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this up and push
>>> back against my inner purist ;-)
>>> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube
>>>> model (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne,
>>>> Homer)? The front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me
>>>> think a long top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your
>>>>> own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair of
>>>>> long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell.
>>>>> One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and
>>>>> geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks
>>>>> and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some 
>>>>> corrosion
>>>>> visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is
>>>>> the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice metal
>>>>> pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some 
>>>>> point
>>>>> he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake,
>>>>> grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake
>>>>> and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55
>>>>> shipped for the 556s.
>>>>>
>>>>> Photos:
>>>>>
>>>>> 556
>>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/
>>>>> album-72157634724093620/
>>>>>
>>>>> 365
>>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/
>>>>> album-72157634724093620/
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the
>>>>>> new bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some
>>>>>> ref

Re: [RBW] OK to post non Rivendell bikes for sale here?

[Eric Daume]

Pinkbike has a very active buy/sell as well.

Eric

On Thursday, January 18, 2024, JohnS  wrote:

> You would probably hit a more suitable audience over at The Radavist, Rad
> Bazaar. No cost to buy, but you have to be a member to post things for sale.
>
> https://radbazaar.theradavist.com/
>
> JohnS
>
> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 7:39:35 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill, I will do so. At my age (68) I am much more comfortable &
>> likely safer riding my Gus on singletrack compared to the Ibis. But the
>> bike is a blast and lets you do things on a bike that I probably should not
>> be doing but someone here might want to. I need to make room for a
>> Roaduno!:)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Josh C  wrote:
>>
>> I agree. It's cool that you're digging the Riv and also I'm sure there
>> are folks on here that ride full squish MTBs, carbon road bikes, and all
>> things in between. Not sure about the rules, but I say go for it. Not sure
>> you'll have much success, but why not.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 6:20:28 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> There definitely are plenty of big-tent cyclists on this group, and
>>> there is no house rule against selling non-Rivendells.  I think you should
>>> list your Ibis.  Ibis has a ton of retro-chic cache even if that particular
>>> model is super contemporary.  I was pricing out an Ibis Hakka just the
>>> other day...
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 2:55:03 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just thought perhaps there might be others here  (actually I am
 certain of it) who’s cycling world includes non Rivendell bikes. But I get
 it.
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 17, 2024, at 3:17 PM, Armand Kizirian 
 wrote:

 Even if you could, who's going to buy that on here? ;)


 On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 6:56:02 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> RMRose -  a Gus has taken the place of your  Ibis Mojo 3.  I love it
> - good on you!   You might try listing the Ibis on
> BoingBoingShredSleds.com   (I just made that up, please forgive my warped
> attempt at humor)
>
> Seriously though, what could be more Rivendellian than choosing a Clem
> for mountain biking?
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 11:54:01 PM UTC-5 CMR wrote:
>
>> Great bike, unfortunately off-topic, I can't imagine Grant on a
>> carbon full-suspension!
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2019 Ibis Mojo 3, size large. Fits more like a medium. I am 5’10”.
>>> Riv content? My Gus has taken it’s place.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>>
>>> You've piqued my curiosity - what's the bike?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:57:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The moderator and others can correct me, but I think that if the
 bike in question is relatively aligned with Rivendell tastes and might
 appeal to list members -- if it's generally Rivendellian in taste -- it
 will be fine. I would not post a FS for a modern CF road bike or 
 downhill
 mountain bike here.

 On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:41 AM Richard Rose 
 wrote:

> I am still new here & do not want to violate an rules. But, I do
> have a bicycle that I would like to sell and thought others here 
> might be
> interested. I will not post here until I hear if it is acceptable. 
> Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: FFS: MUSA pants large

[Eric Daume]

Looks like the pants are spoken for.

Thanks,

Eric

On Monday, January 29, 2024, Bob Warner  wrote:

> Hi Eric
> If this are still available I’ll be happy take them!!
> Bob
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 29, 2024, at 10:51 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
> Free for shipping, these MUSA pants with worn out elastic. Size large,
> they seem like the newer shorter/baggier fit, not ideal for 32/34 me.
>
> I bought these off eBay, but the seller refunded me my money and told me
> to keep the pants when I pointed out the elastic was completely worn out—no
> stretch at all. I tried using a boot lace for the waistband. That sorta
> worked, but it’s not ideal.
>
> Anyway, since they were free to me, I’m passing them on.
>
> Eric
> Plain City OH
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Re: [RBW] Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

[Eric Daume]

My technique for dialing in a Brooks:

1. Loosen seat post bolt
2. Remove Brooks saddle
3. Replace with any other plastic saddle I happen to have nearby
4. Enjoy the better comfort, less slipperiness, lighter weight, and zero
maintenance.

YMMV :)

Eric

On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 10:27 PM Jay  wrote:

> Next week I'll be throwing a leg over a Roadini for the first time (I
> posted a couple weeks ago about the frame I ordered) and I thought I was
> set on my saddle, but decided yesterday I need to try something very
> different.
>
> A little bit of background before I get to my question...
>
> When I started cycling around 20 years ago I had Brooks B17 on my road
> bike (custom geometry, not too aggressive) and a Masi commuter bike.  It
> was a while ago so I can't recall what I liked about them, and why I
> eventually stopped using them, but I do recall one memory...I always used
> padded bib shorts (still do) and one day in the winter I went for a 2hr
> ride and only realized when I got home that I just had on my underwear and
> tights.  In at least that way for me at that time, the saddle was that
> comfortable.
>
> Since that time I've used a lot of plastic saddles from Fizik, Selle
> Italia and the latest is a Prologo (147mm wide, with a bit of padding).  I
> used this saddle on two bikes the last 4 months and it was a noticeable
> improvement over the Selle Italia saddles I was using previously.  I
> thought this is what I would use on the Roadini (and still may, in the long
> run).  But when I use it on my Salsa Fargo (bar level with saddle) and ride
> for 2+ hours, I get friction and general discomfort.  And can I ride
> without padded bib shorts?  Heck no, I can't even go around my block
> without bibs when using this saddle.
>
> To get to my point, I ordered a B17 in Honey to try out on my Roadini.
> I'm getting it tomorrow and I'm going to try it on my Fargo (nice weather
> for next little while).  I know that overall I need to be patient, only
> change one thing at a time, and only small adjustments.
>
> My thinking, where I wanted to get your input, is that I would be set up
> the bike so saddle and bars are level, and will likely start with the
> saddle level (from what I recall this will have the rear of the saddle
> where my sit bones are located, pointed down a bit, but that's how my
> Prologo is today and I can ride in the drops and take my hands off and I'm
> balanced...so I think I'll start there and see how it goes).
>
> Any other words of wisdom that I can consider?  Thanks in advance.
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Re: [RBW] Mainstream press article pushing steel bike?

[Eric Daume]

I don’t think many big box store customers are debating between a $200
Mongoose and a $4000 Rodeo.

It would be nice to have an entry steel option, but aside from aesthetics,
I would rather ride entry level aluminum.  Cheap steel bikes are just heavy
and overbuilt.

Eric

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024, Chris Halasz  wrote:

> I overheard that a big box bike brand is entertaining introducing a small
> tubed steel road bike.
>
> The concept would be in response to those desiring to segregate themselves
> from cyclists on very high end e-bikes that nearly camouflage the motor and
> battery within their respective carbon frame, which are similar in shape
> with many common high-end carbon fiber bikes.
>
> Not sure why that market sector wouldn't just be going retro with some
> nice steel European Bowlachili frame from the 80s. Maybe they need compact
> geometry and internal cables and the latest in derailer and gravel
> accommodations?
>
> Maybe they just buy a Roadeo? I'd love an Albatross-equipped Roadeo.
>
> - Chris
> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 7:07:07 PM UTC-8 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> I think Eben Weiss is mainstream. He's owned and ridden carbon bikes. And
>> he rides a lot. I think "mainstream" in the context of cylcing encompasses
>> a broad spectrum from racer wanna-be's to parents with kids in trailers or
>> child seats to people carrying heavy loads on all kinds of bikes.
>>
>> I don't think of myself as mainstream because I have never and will never
>> consider riding carbon. Not that I'm a snob - just that I prefer my steel
>> bikes.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 6:41:31 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> My favorite quote:
>>>
>>> Unless you spend more time carrying your bike than riding it, a slight
>>> weight reduction is utterly meaningless, and foregoing a nice steel bike
>>> because the carbon one is lighter is like choosing a single $50 bill over
>>> twenty $5 bills because the fifty is easier to fit in your wallet.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 12:13 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:
>>>
 https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/theres-no-
 good-reason-to-buy-a-carbon-bike/?fbclid=IwAR2uIwBwz29AqiFhiVs5TTjdXw2H
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Eric Daume]

The Surly Steamroller can take a 38mm tire, but no fender.

The sadly out of production Cross Check could do a 38mm with a fender.

Eric

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:16 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity,
> the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.
>
> I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622
> wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are
> the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever
> type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.
>
> What is the competition, and what are they offering?
> Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts.
>
> BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm
> rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.
>
> What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?
>
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Re: [RBW] Wanted: Jones LWB

[Eric Daume]

Jones is having a sale right now, $500 off complete bikes. They don’t come
up used very often.

Eric


On Monday, February 5, 2024, Joe D.  wrote:

> Good morning!
>
> I know there are lots of Jones Bikes aficionados amongst the Riv crowd, so
> I figured this post is worth a try. I'm in the market for a Jones Plus LWB
> (now just called the LWB). And although the Jones Complete LWB bikes are
> now a very reasonable price new, I thought I'd see if there are any used
> possibilities out there.
>
> I'm open to an earlier version of the Complete bike (they're up to version
> 3 now). Also open to a Custom Select frame (the one with the truss fork and
> eccentric bottom bracket) that you've built up, or just the frame/fork
> itself.
>
> Ideally local to western/central Montana, but I know that's unlikely so
> we'd have to work out shipping.
>
> Thanks!
> Joe
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wanted: Jones LWB

[Eric Daume]

Hey Ryan,

At the risk of getting dangerously OT for the RBW list, I'd like to hear
your thoughts on the SWB vs LWB. I've owned two LWBs, but I'm currently
Jones-less.

I enjoyed the LWB, but for my type of riding (either local road riding, or
throw the bike in the car and drive to a mountain bike trail), the mixed
mode capability of the LWB was kind of wasted on me.

Eric

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 11:16 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:

> I am another vote to pick up a Jones on sale! I prefer the SWB for most of
> my riding but the LWB sis awesome in its own way. The SWB has replaced all
> of my other bikes. Though I still need to sell a Tanglefoot Hardtack. Drop
> bars just don’t work for me…
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 6:45:01 AM UTC-8 Mojo wrote:
>
>> I have a Jones LWB in my quiver of seven bikes and it gets ridden the
>> most. I can imagine selling other bikes, but not the Jones. The long stable
>> wheelbase, lowish BB, short-upright cockpit, fast steering (for offroad, 75
>> mm trail), room for 3+" tires, all combine to make a unique and fun bike. I
>> recommend the sale.
>>
>> Joe, riding the Jones this morning before the atmospheric river arrives,
>> in GJT
>>
>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 6:27:38 AM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>>
>>> I know there are lots of Jones Bikes aficionados amongst the Riv crowd,
>>> so I figured this post is worth a try. I'm in the market for a Jones Plus
>>> LWB (now just called the LWB). And although the Jones Complete LWB bikes
>>> are now a very reasonable price new, I thought I'd see if there are any
>>> used possibilities out there.
>>>
>>> I'm open to an earlier version of the Complete bike (they're up to
>>> version 3 now). Also open to a Custom Select frame (the one with the truss
>>> fork and eccentric bottom bracket) that you've built up, or just the
>>> frame/fork itself.
>>>
>>> Ideally local to western/central Montana, but I know that's unlikely so
>>> we'd have to work out shipping.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Joe
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Wanted: Jones LWB

[Eric Daume]

NOT a Stumpy. It's actually one of these:

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expedition-sport/p/34996?color=79754-34996

I did just a few mods to it :)

It's a cheap and fun way to play with long chainstays and slack angles
(but, aluminum and internal cable routing, so some Riv heresy)

Eric

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 5:57 PM Doug H.  wrote:

> That is a nice Stumpy, Eric!
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ryan. I’m tempted by the sale prices (again) but I think I’ll keep
>> on enjoying my $100 psuedo Jones for now.  At least until the itch gets too
>> strong (one consideration for me: Jones, kind of like Riv, doesn’t really
>> have an equivalent out there. If they left the scene, there’s no easy
>> backup)
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric! The LBW is a tough one for me. I bought the complete and it was
>>> an absolute beast. I love the handling on the SWB for around town and it
>>> feels like it rides much lighter and playful even though the weight isn’t
>>> much different. Pointing the LWB down a rocky trail with a full camp load
>>> is a joy and where the bike shines. I dream of a Ti LWB if I could afford
>>> one honestly. I think the SWB makes a better commuter and all around bike
>>> though. I don’t hesitate to recommend either as long as speed is not a
>>> priority.
>>> The sale price on the v2 SWB is such a great deal in my opinion!
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Re: [RBW] RoadeoRosa teaser

[Eric Daume]

So which gets built first? Tough choice ahead!

Eric

On Thursday, February 15, 2024, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Two completely separate 6-month long projects each stretched out to 2-year
> projects independently and for different reasons.  Each of those two
> unrelated projects reach "New Frame Day" within hours of each other.
> Correct.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:42:08 AM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
>
>> Can't wait!
>>
>> 2 new frames in the same week, Bill?
>>
>> Greg in Oakland
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 7:55:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Riv HQ closes at 3PM.  Rick from D&D dropped it off on his way home at
>>> like 3:15 yesterday, after they closed up.  Mark put it in his work stand
>>> and emailed me at 3:30 on his out.  There were no peek opportunities.  Riv
>>> HQ opens at 9AM PST this morning.  I've got a work meeting at 8, which I'm
>>> taking from home. When that meeting is over I'm off to pick it up.  My
>>> headset crown race setter is trash, so I'm going to have James or Antonio
>>> set my crown race and press in my headset cups.  That way we can take a
>>> couple of New Frame Day photos in front of the garage door, as is
>>> tradition.
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:41:27 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Have you snuck over for even the littlest peek? I wouldn't be able to
 stop myself!

 Am very much anticipating this pink bike reveal!

 On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 7:50:24 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Mark tells me my frame is sitting in his stand right now...
>
> I'm going to pick it up Thursday morning, and I have to pick my
> headbadge.  The Roadeo head badge comes in Red or in Blue.  The Roadeo 
> page
> on the website shows them both.  I'm definitely going blue.  There are a
> few touches of blue that will show up elsewhere on the build, so that will
> tie in.
>
> I'm pretty sure I have absolutely every piece of the build so it may
> be New Bike Day less than 24 hours from now.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I love it already. It’s the perfect pink. And we only have to wait
>> until next week to see it!
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rick at D&D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to
>>> Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my
>>> color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/
>>> album-72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> It's getting real
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Susie / Gus questions

[Eric Daume]

A real dropper is a lot handier to use, especially when the trail is
rolling up and down. Being able to push a button on the bar and drop the
saddle for a quick slope or hard corner is great. It’s not about riding up
and then down. It’s up down up down up down….

Eric
Now a dropper fan
In Ohio where the hills roll.

On Thursday, October 20, 2022, Erik  wrote:

> Not only do I have a quick release, I picked up an old Hite-Rite to go
> with it!  I salvaged the quick release from an old Bridgestone that’s been
> in my shed for a long time.  It’s certainly an option, but I did have
> problems with the post slipping.  Given that I’m not out charging around,
> stopping to set the seat height isn’t that onerous a task.  I have
> occasionally stopped and dropped the saddle with a hex key for longer
> descents.  Maybe I’m just overthinking the dropper post thing and need to
> embrace the quick release!
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 5:16:13 AM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Erik,   Sweet looking Gus!In reading your post it seems like your
>> missing a dropper option,   Have you considered putting on a quick release
>> at the seatpost binder bolt?   You said you’ve been riding many iterations
>> of MTBs since the 80s so I’m sure you’ve had a bike with one before.I
>> put one on my Atlantis and it’s great for dropping the seat post tool- free
>> when I want to get back a little.I think Riv might sell something on
>> their site.   It’s no dropper but it is helpful in some situations.
>>  -Mike
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: 1985 Ritchey Ascent (XXL/23”) – $1300

[Eric Daume]

It’s in the title, $1300.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022, Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> Luke,
>
> You forgot to list your asking price.
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 7:02:10 PM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I’m moving along my vintage Ritchey mountain bike as I’m just not riding
>> it all that much (my Riv’s just too much fun!).
>>
>> Made by Toyo for Ritchey, almost all of this is first gen Shimano XT
>> (Deer Head) along with some super rare high flange black XT hubs. The rear
>> brake’s a Suntour roller cam u-brake. The current tires (not pictured here)
>> are NOS Tioga Psycho II tires from the early 90s and shred super hard.
>> Superlative handling that’s very zippy and fun. Full hand brake levers from
>> Suntour, a worn in Brooks B17 saddle, nifty olive paint job, 45-36-24
>> chainrings, and a cute lil’ Velo Orange bell top it all off. Feel free to
>> ask any questions. I’m open to *reasonable* offers and also wish to sell
>> this locally (greater Bay Area).
>>
>> See here for some backstory: https://theradavist.com/
>> ritchey-ascent-review/
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Re: [RBW] Wrap Up: My first riding season in Michigan

[Eric Daume]

Maybe you need a winter beater to keep riding all year :)

Eric

On Friday, November 11, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As you have likely heard, (because I have been blathering on about it for
> months) my family moved to Michigan in January 2022. I unpacked and then
> looked around, noting that I had *zero* friends. By this time I had been
> riding my Rivendell alone for 10 years and I was sick of it. I wanted
> friends - *bike friends- *so I went looking for them at the local bike
> club. I showed up with:
> Group ride experience: zero.
> Club ride experience: zero.
> Knowledge of my ability: close to zero.
>
> But I did know this: I’d probably be the only one riding an upright, steel
> mixte. The club was founded by racers 50 years ago, yikes. But they were
> remarkably welcoming, and the kind people from this List sent me Marc
> Irwin’s email. Turns out, there is one other Rivendell in my local club
> rides - Marc’s!
>
> Marc is a Lone Wolf who put aside his solitary tendencies after hearing I
> had taken a treacherous route into downtown. He decided since it was a
> matter of life and death he ought to get involved. He offered to meet me
> and show me safer ways to navigate our city. My desire to have a bike
> friend was greater than my fear that Marc might be a serial killer, so I
> agreed. It was such a delight to ride Rivendells together. Prior to this
> I’d rarely even seen another Rivendell in the wild. If The Lone Wolf felt
> the same, there was no indication. That is not his way. But, he agreed to
> the next ride. And the next. We wondered if there were other Rivendell
> owners who would love the camaraderie we had found. Pretty soon we were
> planning big rides in SW Michigan for people to join us for trail rides on
> Rivendell bikes. We hosted two, and there is demand for more of them in
> Michigan in 2023.
>
> Our personal Riv Rides take us through Kalamazoo and surrounding areas. We
> always stop for refreshments - coffee, ice cream, lunch. My role is to call
> out and remark upon all of the wonderful things I was deprived of during my
> desert living - trees, flowers, bodies of water, and roadkill. The Lone
> Wolf is in charge of planning the routes and rolling his eyes heavenward
> while suffering The Platypus RIder’s effusiveness. It is my job to take all
> the photos and The Lone Wolf’s job to protest the photos. It is also The
> Lone Wolf’s job to fix all the stuff that breaks, which has only been his.
> It is my job remain eternally lost but sublimely happy.
>
> I have had a lovely time this year; The Lone Wolf has maintained his
> aloofness. I once joked that he might not have as much fun as I do, and he
> said, “Well, I haven’t left you out here yet,” so he is clearly
> delighted.To date, this is the warmest thing he has ever said to me, and it
> is all the encouragement I need to suggest the next ride, and the next.
>
> I had a great club riding season, and rode with 3 different groups every
> week in the 16 mph group. Our Friday group went faster though, maybe 17. I
> met a lot of nice people and gained lots of confidence with road riding.
> All the metrics I have to measure my fitness are the best they’ve ever
> been. Ripping around on your bike is fun, but it’s not the best riding I
> do. The best rides I do are Riv Rides; where I’m free to explore and take
> the trails and talk without gasping for breath. I’m so excited to continue
> them in the spring, and maybe for a few stolen warm days over the winter.
>
> I owe a lot of gratitude to the good people of Michigan for making this
> desert-dweller feel welcome in the Great Lakes Region. Enclosed is my recap
> of the Riv Rides we did this year. It’s a link to FB because the video is
> too large to share here. If the link doesn’t work, let me know because the
> video can be emailed if you want it.
> Leah
> https://www.facebook.com/1566620267/videos/429321249410678/
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Re: [RBW] Is this a mystery Riv?

[Eric Daume]

It’s not a Riv, tubing isn’t OS.

On Friday, November 11, 2022, mrb  wrote:

> Thought it might be a Redwood, but the fork looks wrong?
>
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/bik/7556406408.html
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Re: [RBW] The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Eric Daume]

My riding is 75% around town on a fixed gear, with the rest made up of
mountain biking and some geared road rides.

I would probably end up forgoing my mountain biking and get a Quickbeam as
my Riv one and only bike.

Eric

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are
> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my
> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and
> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy
> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico.
>
> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a
> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and
> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road
> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the
> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear
> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and
> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with
> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate
> dirt ratios.
>
> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine
>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half
> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct
> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that
> vice.
>
> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of
> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling
> preferences at the lowest possible price.
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Re: [RBW] The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Eric Daume]

I had an Orange QB, and it was a bit tighter clearance than I expected (my
Surly Cross Check had better clearance). Maybe a 42 would fit, but that's
not enough to let me ride briskly with my friends on their 29ers. Which is
why I currently have a handful of mountain bikes in addition to a pair of
fixed gears. And a couple of folders.

I'm a ways from the "one bike" level.

Eric

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:07 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Since I opened the thread I get to set the (ironclad) conditions of the
> thought experiment. The conditions allow you to have several wheelsets for
> the "one-and-only." So -- how fat a tire can a QB contain? Perhaps with 42
> mm knobbies and a bigger cog or fw you might be able to do at least "light"
> mountain biking.
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:04 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> My riding is 75% around town on a fixed gear, with the rest made up of
>> mountain biking and some geared road rides.
>>
>> I would probably end up forgoing my mountain biking and get a Quickbeam
>> as my Riv one and only bike.
>>
>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 61 A. Homer Hilsen

[Eric Daume]

Keep in mind that a new 61.5 AHH is bigger than an old 61, and a new 64 AHH
is HUGE.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 5:44 PM Lance Terry  wrote:

> Crust still shows a 64 new HH frame for sale. I know that's bigger than a
> 61. I guess they still have it because it is a big frame.
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-7 Graham McCall wrote:
>
>> Yeah that center pull frame/bike is very tempting. If I could afford a
>> complete bike I'd do that in a second.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:27:50 AM UTC-6 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> Alex Wirth was trying to sell a very nice looking bike not too long
>>> ago.  I don't see anything that said it sold, so you might want to find
>>> that post, if you are open to buying a full bike.  I don't know if he was
>>> considering selling the frameset, but you can always ask.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-6 Graham McCall wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking at picking up an A. Homer Hilsen in a 61- anyone have a
 frame they're willing to part with?

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Re: [RBW] Widest tires on green Quickbeam?

[Eric Daume]

In my experience (not on a QB) 45mm fenders over 37 or 38mm tires might
work, but it’s very fiddly. A minor bump or misadjustment and something
will rub.

A good rule of thumb is max tire = fender -10mm, so 35mm tires for 45mm
fenders.

Eric

On Monday, November 28, 2022, Will M  wrote:

> Hi all.  Revisiting an oldish thread.  What's the biggest tire you
> Quickbeamers are running with SKS P45 longboard feders?  I have an orange
> 62cm Quickbeam and wanted to try 700x38mm tires with my P45s.  It's pretty
> clear that the Quickbeam can take 'em.  It's less clear if the P45
> longboards can.  (Websites such as REI
> ,
> etc., say max tire width = 37mm, yet RBW says
>  38mm).
> Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>
> Will M
> -NYC
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 11:53:35 PM UTC-4 grant wrote:
>
>> You can measure the chainstay width, inside-2-inside, at the point where
>> the tire passes, then figure howevermany millimeters you're comfortable
>> with for clearance (four is a fine minimum-and the Japanese standard, Times
>> 2 that's 8.). Then do the negative arithmetic, and blammo--there's your max
>> tire.
>> (I know those who ride less than four. if the tire is big and cushy, the
>> wheel whill probably stay true forever. Why would it not?)
>>
>> G
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Andrew Janjigian 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> RBWers -
>>>
>>> I have 35mm tires on my green QB that need replacing. I'm thinking about
>>> ditching the fenders and going AWAP. Anyone know whether 40mm will fit? It
>>> certainly looks like I have at least 5mm to spare.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> AJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Eric Daume]

I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell
> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a lugged
>> Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are spectacular. Don't
>> doddle!
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>>>
 Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and
 fits as it should.

 On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton 
 wrote:

> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart on
> Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the years. 
> My
> PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When I 
> test
> rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I believe, 
> and
> it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd
> really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top
> end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I'd love the catalog!!
>> Houston Wilson
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've
>>> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the
>>> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let 
>>> me
>>> know and I can mail it to whomever.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am
 obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of 
 your
 experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
 until
 I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.

 Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!

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Re: [RBW] How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Eric Daume]

I am currently Riv-less (between Rivs?) but I could cover most of my riding
with a QB for road fixed gear riding and a Gus or Susie for mountain biking
and the occasional overnighter.

It would be hard to give up a dropper post for trail riding, though.

Eric
Who somehow has 7 bikes but surely doesn’t need that many.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Masa  wrote:

> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you
> could own.
>
> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of
> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>
> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere
> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to
> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as
> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>
> I hope you enjoy the topic!
>
> Masa
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Re: [RBW] Re: ROADUNO - a new singlespeed!

[Eric Daume]

It reminds me a lot of the dropout on my old Surly Karate Monkey. Maybe
longer though, it’s hard to tell.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The "Quickbeam style ends" were shown on Rivs instagram.  It's a plastic
> prototype, presumably 3d printed.  They are pretty snazzy and consistent
> with lots of the "design vernacular" Rivendell has been using in the
> 2020s.  They are hooded, so it's cheaply tiggable, and leaves tons of
> freedom on angles.  It's got a der hanger in the casting.  It's got some
> frills, and looks stout.  I'm eager to see them in metal and on a frame.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> That sounds about right to me, Eric.  I'm guessing something that is kind
>> of like a Leo Roadini with cantilever brakes, clearance for 50mm tires and
>> Quickbeam-style ends.  I hope it has a long front center to avoid TCO.  My
>> Crust Florida Man has no TCO with 700x50 tires, and I think that's
>> awesome.  My 58cm Quickbeam has a tiny bit of TCO with a 700x42 front tire,
>> and it's annoying.  I'd gladly run a 2cm shorter stem with a 2cm longer
>> front-center and the same HTA.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 6:21:39 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I saw the earlier images, but it’s still not super clear. I’m guessing
>>> it’s like a long wheelbase-sloping top tube Quickbeam?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Roaduno samples are on the boat, at the dock in Oakland this week,
>>>> so those sample builds will be along soon.  Exciting.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 7:08:47 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the Gallops are 2023 and they have already gone through two
>>>>> proto stages.  I think Roadunos might be further out than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 11:00:35 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The plan had been that the Prototype Roadunos would be in one of
>>>>>> these Summer Shipments.  I think that the prototype Roadunos maybe were 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the shipment with the Atlantis' or maybe will be in the next shipment.
>>>>>> Those will be prototypes, so we'll presumably get to see them built up, 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> locals can test ride them.  If there are any final tweaks Riv needs to 
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> on the real production Roadunos, they'll find those goofs on the
>>>>>> prototypes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, we'll wait.  I think sometime in early 2023 the production
>>>>>> Roadunos will be buyable by us.  I had been eagerly awaiting the 
>>>>>> prototypes
>>>>>> arriving because I am local and was going to give one a test ride.  I 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> managed to acquire a Quickbeam and so I'm not as desperate, but I'm still
>>>>>> keeping my finger on the pulse.  Folks that are desperate for the 
>>>>>> absolute
>>>>>> latest should call Will and ask him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all, I wanted to revive this old thread to see if any one has
>>>>>>> any new information about when the Roaduno might be released for sale.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 9:27:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This excerpt is from the August 6 newsletter. I'll be shocked (but
>>>>>>>> bake in that I tend towards the skeptical) if we see a Roaduno before 
>>>>>>>> 2023.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September
>>>>>>>> 2020, have been pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for 
>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>> what we can get from our other 

Re: [RBW] Saddle height and BPH

[Eric Daume]

I'm about your same size (36"/91cm PBH), but I run a 32"/81cm saddle height
(bottom bracket center to top of my (of course) level saddle). I couldn't
imagine pedaling with my saddle 6cm lower.

When I played around with mid foot pedaling, I found I had to drop my
saddle, but less than an inch.

Eric


On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 12:49 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> I just took delivery of a new (non-Riv) bike and am dialing in the fit.
> I’m a little worried that the frame is too big for me, since I only have
> maybe 2” standover, which seems tight for a gravel bike.
>
> So I went out and measured the saddle height on my Hunq (which is a size
> 62). It came in at about 75cm. This gives me a solid fistful of seatpost.
> Then I remeasured my PBH, which is 93-94 cm depending on hard I pull. For
> reference, here’s the relevant page from HQ:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>
> This suggests that based on my  PBH my saddle height should be closer to
> 83 cm – an 8cm discrepancy. Before riding in this morning I raised my
> saddle height to 79 cm, basically splitting the difference. It felt weird,
> which of course it would after so many years at 75cm. But I made it in and
> my feet were in full contact with the pedals without any tippytoe
> maneuvers. So I guess I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time? Kind of
> embarrassing. Even so, according to the Riv method my saddle height is
> still ~4cm lower than my PBH would suggest.
>
> So I guess I’m wondering about alternative ways of determining saddle
> height somewhat objectively, and/or whether I should now be looking at
> other variables such as a fore-aft saddle positioning, saddle angle, and
> even saddle type (currently a B68, slammed back as far as it can go on a
> S83, with the nose pitched up ~10 degrees or so). Other relevant factors
> might be crank arm length (175mm), pedal height (Pedaling Innovations
> platform pedals), and shoes (Chuck Taylors, typically). Looking for the
> optimum balance of comfort, efficiency, and protecting my perineum.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
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Re: [RBW] Nivex on a Rivendell?

[Eric Daume]

$200 derailleurs for the people!

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022, Berkeleyan  wrote:

> To borrow a trite phrase, The Nivex shows that RH Cycles have jumped the
> shark. The cost is well beyond any common rider's reach, requires
> retrofitment brazing, paint, and only works with a custom shifter that
> mounts to a downtube. Kudos to Grant and RBW for sticking it out to bring a
> new RD in under $200 that mounts to standard dropouts.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke,
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at
>> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little
>> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this.
>> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it.
>> Nivex Rear
>> 
>> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>>
>> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship
>> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see
>> the new Riv rear derailer.
>>
>> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Will's Roadini SS

[Eric Daume]

This is funny. I mostly ride a fixed gear road bike, but this thread has me
thinking about a SS FW road bike. I could use a tensioner for that kind of
build, which would open up a lot of interesting frames to think about.

I could finally flip over one of my flip/flop wheels and give it a try, I
guess.

Eric

On Saturday, December 17, 2022, JohnS  wrote:

>
> On my Quickbeam there is a fixed 18 cog that I use all the time and on the
> other side is a fixed 16 that I never use. So as long as I can get it off
> the hub, I'll try one of the SS freewheels that I have. Should be able to
> work on it over the Christmas break.
>
> I agree Philip, changing tires, swapping bars, adding/removing
> fenders/racks all make a bike seem like new.
>
> On the upside of fixed gear riding, I can do a very good track stand,
> being able to push forward or backward just makes it so much easier. I
> don't even try on my multi-geared bikes any more.
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:14:52 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> I’m a big fan of riding fixed. It just feels good to me, but I’m not an
>> evangelist: “more for me, I guess!” I like having a second gear option (two
>> rings, dingle cog), but almost never use the low gear.
>>
>> Will’s Roadini is like a Golden Age tribute bike. I love it. Now I kinda
>> want one, but I’ll go swap tires around on the bikes I’ve got, instead.
>>
>> Philip
>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>>
>>> It's a different ride, and a fun ride, to have a single speed. I have a
>>> Dos Eno on my QuickBeam, but still stay primarily on the 15 tooth sprocket.
>>> The 17 comes into play for East Bay hills, but I rode (with camping gear)
>>> in the 15 from Berkeley to the Entmoot in Marin via San Francisco and
>>> Sausalito/Tiburon, and it was delightful. With no levers to move, you focus
>>> on building momentum, and save strength for hills.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:57:35 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant

 And Will's post : https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/
 news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045&mc_eid=0074b52ae1 nails
 what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has been a
 fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS addictive.  I
 am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: New 57cm Roadini Frameset (Orange) + headset, 559 brakes, Nitto seatpost

[Eric Daume]

Having owned a Roadini, I would go a step further and say it's basically an
old school touring bike. Long, relaxed, kind of overbuilt. I've never
ridden one, but I'd guess a Specialized Expedition or Miyata 1000 would
feel pretty similar. By contrast, I've had a string of vintage Trek sport
touring bikes, and they felt a bit snappier than the Roadini.

Eric

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 6:13 PM Andrew Turner 
wrote:

> cjust...@gmail.com, sorry I don't know your name, but while staring at
> the finished build as one does, one of my first thoughts was, this looks a
> LOT like a Casseroll! I've never ridden one but am delighted that someone
> else made that connection. I would 100% agree with that description for the
> Roadini: "A versatile (light) touring machine with roadie influences."
>
> I also should've clarified that the 2022 Roadini model is the one I have a
> harder time calling a road bike. To me it's a new-age sport tourer. Lot's
> of bags don't even need brazeons or racks these days and I think the
> Roadini would carry them in stride.
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 4:53:25 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I think of the Roadini as a Rivendell road bike, as in "this is how Riv
>> distills Rivness into a TIG-welded caliper-brake frame designed to be a
>> little shorter than other Rivs, and will probably use dropbsrs and
>> skinny-ish tires." It's not a "road bike" as the current market understands
>> that term.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:24:41 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> You pretty much hit the nail on the head! It sounds like my experience
>>> with the Roadini is similar to your Ram experience (which is ironic because
>>> I like the way the Ram rides). The memory that was conjured up while riding
>>> the Roadini was when I was a kid at a local playground and tried a handicap
>>> swingset that was freshly installed. And I thought, hey this is pretty
>>> cool, but I do feel 50x safer than would personally like to feel...I'm
>>> gonna go back to jumping out of trees on a rope swing. This feels
>>> insensitive typing it out and I don't mean to be, and I don't think my
>>> experience with the Roadini makes it a worse bike than my Waterford 1200,
>>> they're just two totally different beasts...but they're both called road
>>> bikes...
>>>
>>> Now there are roads 40 miles or so from my front door where I would MUCH
>>> prefer the Roadini to my Waterford, and the opportunity cost of selling the
>>> Roadini is that I'll likely forego riding those roads. But where I'm at
>>> right now, I'd rather enjoy those 40 miles on a bike that feels lively and
>>> a little dangerous and either skip, walk, or say a prayer to the pinch flat
>>> gods and overcome that short section of sketch. If I were a sleep-deprived
>>> rando rider enjoying long stretches of rough country road, the Roadini and
>>> I would get along like peas and carrots, but that ain't me right now.
>>>
>>> This is a can o worms I'm opening, but I'll say it anyway, maybe
>>> Rivendell shouldn't be calling the Roadini a "road" bike. It's definitely
>>> THEIR version of one but none of their models except for maybe the Roadeo
>>> fit into the industries' categories. I think Country bike and Hilibike are
>>> beautiful categorical solutions, so perhaps the Homer and Roadini deserve
>>> their own as well. Food for thought.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:09:01 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 That's frame and fork and headset, folks.

 On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 10:07 AM Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> ..  1970s *tout 531* Libertas [5.9 lb 60 X 56 c-c with steel Campy
> hs!!] with 38 mm tires for a road-like pavement gofast combined with tires
> and gearing sufficient for firm-dirt explorations.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Eric Daume]

The Riv list imagining Jobst riding a steel frame with rim brakes? Shocking!

Eric

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 7:37 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50
> years.
>
>- Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first
>time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still tough,
>reliable, and cheap.
>- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to
>dive into The Jobst Hole to find out.
>- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no
>worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake.
>- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan
>debate the testing protocol.
>- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the
>two times a day he'd shift.
>- Yellow.
>
> Philip
> rec.bicycles.tech
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still
>> feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills
>> road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle,
>> riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name
>> alive!
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same
>>> setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals.
>>> But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I
>>> understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he be
>>> riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial
>>> or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with
>>> reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on
>>> a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some
>>> things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more
>>> possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc
>>> either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the
>>> front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th
>>> anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of
>>> titanium frame.
>>>
>>> I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim
 brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his
 prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech that
 we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a
 retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily on
 his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub
 would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's
 comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning
 towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have
 beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene
 Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride
 whatever it is to the ground though.

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Thank you for sharing.  The article was definitely worth the read.  A
> few things stood out to me:
>
> - they were/are all *extremely *fit.
> - fear was not a word in their vocabulary.
> - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time.
> - the Higgins' couple rock.  Of course the stoker is doing all the
> work ;)
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
> (who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work)
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod
>> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a
>> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced
>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day.
>>
>> Today's Radavist
>> 
>>  article
>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who
>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s).
>>
>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a
>> lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for
>> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?
>>
>> Take it away if you wish,
>> Andrew

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Eric Daume]

In my ~25 years of single speed and fixed gear experience, forward facing
dropouts are better in every respect than track ends:

- wheel removal is much easier (and moreso with fenders, and moreso again
if you're running a derailer for some reason)
- adjusting the wheel position doesn't affect the rim brake position nearly
as much (nice for manual gear changes).
- QR can hold the axle *better* because of the angle of the dropout--the
chain isn't just pulling the wheel straight in the dropout, some component
of the force is going into the angled wall of the dropout.

OK, track ends look nicer, and allow for shorter chainstays, but I'll take
forward facing horizontals eight days a week.

Eric


On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 12:56 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Forward-facing, semi-horizontal dropouts of olde are okay for chill single
> speed use but agree, not recommended for fixed gear because they tend to
> slip forward during either hard acceleration or hard deceleration. With
> track ends, the alignment screws prevent this.  That said - I don't think
> any modern Riv is going to attract very many fixed gear riders!  Bottom
> bracket is way too low, for starters
>
>
> On Saturday, 15 July 2023 at 21:32:35 UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> H? I don't know why you say that.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 9:57 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> If Riv wants to sell singlespeed frames to the singlespeed market it's
>>> going to be with track ends. Most fixie folks wouldn't accept
>>> forward-facing horizontal dropouts.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:52:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I was just flipping through the Tour De France: Centennial history and
 looking at 1920s and early 1930s photos; the bikes seem to have multiple
 clusters, perhaps just 2 cogs, on each side of the hub.

 I couldn't find a photo of the Roaduno; can anyone post a link or a
 picture?

 Didn't someone say it has track ends? I wonder why Rivendell didn't
 make the bike with horizontal dropouts; those make more sense for
 derailleur use without compromising derailleurless use; in fact, I find
 horizontals easier for fixed chain length drivetrains. Or perhaps track
 ends but a removable derailleur hanger. Oh well, I won't be interested as
 Rivendelll road bikes have tubing too stout for my taste, but it's
 interesting to hear about the possible drivetrain varieties.

 Me, I say bring back club-type IGHs.

 On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 5:32 PM Peter Adler  wrote:

> ... If someone uses a flip-flop wheel, with mounting for a track cog
> on one side and a freewheel on the other, why shouldn't the freewheel be a
> multigear freewheel, if the wheel's dished to allow it? Then you'd need a
> frame-mounted hanger (or a derailleur-mounted add-on hanger) to mount the
> "multi-cog negotiation mechanism".
>

> Peter Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 4:01:03 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> I keep forgetting about the dangling hanger. Such a silly thing to
> have added IMO, particularly if 120 spaced. Admittedly I don't understand
> the attraction to the 3-by-1 drivetrain, but regardless, a regular
> vertical-dropout bike is well suited to that already.  It's not a huge
> visual impact, but it shouldn't be there in my opinion.
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Re: [RBW] ISO Roadini...or?

[Eric Daume]

If the Roadini with its double oversized tubing is lighter than an RB1… I
would be very surprised. I’ve owned both, but probably 20 years apart. But
tall head tubes, long chainstays, and heavy tubing all add up quickly.

Eric

On Thursday, July 20, 2023, exliontamer  wrote:

> An RB-1 is a relatively heavy bike especially in 59cm & up & I wouldn't be
> surprised if the Roadini is the same or possibly lighter. That said, I
> don't think that's a bad thing depending on the frame size, your personal
> pedaling style/power, weight, etc. When I was focused on only riding fast I
> had a 59cm frame with EL/OS tubing that was very thin walled, flexy, &
> light. I'm 6'1" & weighed 160lbs at the time & that bike was too whippy for
> me personally. It took getting a '93 RB-1 (62cm wouldn't fit a 32 btw)  to
> make me realize that I preferred a stiffer frame...also my average speed
> increased even though the bike didn't "plane" & was 2 lbs heavier.
>
> I'm glad Jan & that crew are doing their thing but the message can get
> tedious. I'm sure it works for some people but a lot of it seems to be
> presented in a one size fits all way. All that said there are a lot of 90s
> steel frames that will fit a 28. Plenty of affordable lugged Bianchis that
> will be lighter and less expensive than the RB-1. I also second the used
> aluminum recommendation. Even the new Cannondale Optimo has clearance for
> 32s and, as long as a carbon fork doesn't freak you out, starts at 1k for a
> complete bike that's solidly spec'd and has rim brakes.
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:27:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's sacrilege to say but if you want a zippy road bike as a compliment
>> to what you already have - a steel Rivendell road bike - for $1000 or less
>> you can scoop up an aluminum Trek/Cannondale/Specialized/Giant off
>> Craigslist and probably have a lot of fun. And you can test ride it!
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:14:40 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at
>>> Riv and Blue Lug.
>>>
>>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations
>>> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun.
>>> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an
>>> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only
>>> bike!
>>>
>>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and
>>> those worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've
>>> heard that the Roadini does NOT offer that kind of 
>>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever,
>>> from several folks in this group.
>>>
>>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to
>>> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold
>>> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Eric Daume]

I'm going to join the majority and say don't send the Clem to college. IF*
your boy needs a bike at school, buy a cheap hybrid, new or used. Bike
shops are desperate to sell anything right now, and the used market is also
oversaturated.

*It's been a long time since I was at college, but even as a bike loving
kid, I didn't ride my bike to classes. Too much hassle, too much risk. It
was easier to navigate crowded campus paths by walking, even though I had
one or two bikes tucked into my tiny dorm room.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:56 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college
> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses,
> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up
> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who
> doesn’t ride, sigh).
>
> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020,
> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I
> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the
> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of
> saying…
>
> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if
> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into
> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno
> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the
> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But
> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to
> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe,
> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode
> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees
> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it
> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.”
>
> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because
> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and
> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally
> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the
> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep
> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I
> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But
> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>
> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would
> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could
> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey
> through undergrad together.
>
> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college
> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Eric Daume]

A Clem with a dyno hub and a few accessories is a $2500 machine. That’s
pretty expensive by most any standard.

Eric

On Monday, August 7, 2023, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I'm with Max on this. It's a good bike designed to be used as a
> commuter/shopper/cruiser, and not so maddeningly expensive that it can't be
> replaced* if need be.
>
> *Yes I realize this is relative and a Clem isn't cheap by 'Walmart bike'
> standards. I'm talking in terms I can relate to, i.e., my custom would be a
> huge expense to replace if lost, a Clem would be a bummer but not end of
> the world. YRMV.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:32:18 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> When I was a kid, I had a Specialized Ascent (?) MTB stolen from an
>> apartment complex parking "garage". I had bought that bike with my paper
>> route & other kid job money, so it really hurt! In grad school, I also had
>> an XT seatpost & Ti Flite saddle stolen from my MB2 parked in front of a
>> campus building at 8 am in the morning. In the first case, the thief
>> snipped through a simple cable. In the second case, the thief used the seat
>> quick release. These experiences taught me to use better locks and to
>> replace QRs with bolts.
>>
>> I've owned decent bikes in college and grad school, and I have worked on
>> a college campus for nearly two decades, and have parked my bike on campus.
>> When I did use my nice MTB in college, I'd take off the front wheel and
>> lock it together with the frame and rear wheel to a post. When I ride my
>> nice bike to campus now, I protect my Brooks saddle and Nitto post and Phil
>> Wood wheels with some security bolts, and use a good lock.
>>
>> But I also don't park my bike outside overnight, and I don't ride around
>> in the slush much, without cleaning the bike after the ride.
>>
>> So, I think a lot is going to depend on the kid and their particular
>> living situation, degree of awareness, and the kinds of activities they get
>> up to in college... What if they want to ride dirt roads and coffeeneur on
>> Wednesday mornings with the local bikies, instead of partying late at night
>> and going to football games? What if they want to ride down to the farmers
>> market for fresh veggies instead of eating crappy pizza 7 days a week, or
>> hit up the handmade ice cream shop downtown after a day of studying for
>> finals?.. Wouldn't it be nice to have a good bike on hand that can carry
>> some apples and books and have lights for the way back when it gets dark?
>> These bikes are meant to be used and are designed well for that.
>>
>> - Max "if it ain't got disc brakes, not many thieves will want it" in A2
>>
>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-4 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm currently building a bike for a good friend's son who is going off
>>> to college. It's a mid-1990s Mercian. Its going to Boston. I'm having
>>> second thoughts and thinking of just giving him the cash and telling him to
>>> buy a decent enough beater off of the local Craigslist, and having a LBS
>>> replace the chain and giving it a maintenance once over. Currently, I've
>>> installed pit locks, replacing the skewers and seat post bolt. I've also
>>> install Ezy MKS pedals that he can remove between classes and carry in his
>>> daypack. All parts are used, low to mid range and do not match. The locks
>>> and chain will be Kryptonite's New York lock standard. Heavy, yes, but
>>> probably the best available. these locks will at least frustrate would be
>>> thieves. I'm hoping that he'll be able to keep it in his dorm with him
>>> overnight.
>>>
>>> Russell Duncan
>>> Saratoga, WY
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 One thing, Leah...and believe me ,no offense meant, but I know your
 penchant for pretty things😊 If that bike goes to college, you might want
 to dial down the bling. Just sayin'. In this wicked world, it's stressful
 owning nice things. Your son SHOULD be able to ride his lovely Clem to
 college, but I would just hate to think of it being stolen  for both your
 sakes. Especially given the history of the bikeso I'm leaning into the
 nice but understated beater more and more...worked for me when I was still
 commuting before I retired. My beater was the old battle-scarred, but still
 elegant PX-10

 On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 8:36:41 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> This is really tough.  A lot has to do with where he is going and how
> much he will be using the bike.  Someone above said to get the lay of the
> land before deciding.  I kept my bike vertical in my dorm room, but it was
> outside and locked up when I went to work or class; even a long bike like
> his doesn't need to take up that much room (or keep it behind the bed).
> Johnny above said that the Clem L will be too long for bus racks.  I can
> attest that my 55cm Platypus is too long for bus racks and Amtrak, if he
> needs those trans

Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Eric Daume]

The 1x1 isn’t made any more, and they hold their value really well as they
seem to be coming somewhat collectible. The replacement is the Lowside, I
think it’s about $890 for the frame set. Not really a value play anymore.

Eric

On Friday, August 11, 2023, George Schick  wrote:

> I'll chime in with yet another recommendation (would be my choice if I
> were going to be shipping a kid of to a campus in the near future):  a
> Surly 1x1. They're single speed frames, rather on the heavy side made from
> 4130 chro-moly tubing, powder coated for durability, and can be set up with
> a single-speed cog and chainring of your choice.  I currently own one and
> use it as my all around utility bike for running short haul errands, etc.
> I'm using a Bulletproof BMX crankset, 38-tooth Rocket chainring, and a
> Shimano 17-tooth SS freewheel for a 59" gear (perfect for riding around
> campus).  You can equip this bike with front and rear disc brakes, though I
> would not recommend it for campus use where it can get beat around on an
> overloaded bike rack and the discs bent. Instead I'd set it up with
> linear-pull F&R brakes. It comes with a threadless fork/steering tube,
> though, so you'd need the right length/angle threadless stem and the right
> bars to fit it (I'd recommend the VeloOrange Granola-Moose bar for easy
> mounting of the bar with a headlight.  You could pick any hub, rim, and
> tire combination you prefer.  Mine has Surly's semi-sealed cartridge hubs
> with 28mm rims and 60mm Schwalbe Big Apple balloon tires - again, a perfect
> combo for campus riding.
> A web search shows that there are several LBS's around the GR, MI area who
> are Surly dealers so you'd be within reasonable reach of one.  Anyway,
> that's my 2¢.
>
> PS: I have a 16T White Industries SS freewheel FS if that would work
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 6:47:48 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed
>> reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid
>> bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and
>> locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an
>> undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike…
>>
>> Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be with
>> the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, sees
>> beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many
>> details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and
>> that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has
>> the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of
>> the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his
>> destination.
>>
>> The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming about,
>> although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not prolific on
>> this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to send, but
>> any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and nuts that
>> prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes all these
>> products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too.
>>
>> And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’
>> insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>>
>>> Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for
>>> many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve never
>>> had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never park
>>> it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their bikes
>>> outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small
>>> elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, bikes
>>> get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the ones
>>> easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of a
>>> larger home break in.
>>>
>>> Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to college
>>> as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and tear (bike
>>> racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking for an
>>> excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues.
>>>
>>> Neal Lerner
>>> Brookline MA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>
 I'm amazed at the amount of discouragement of use of the Clem as a
 college commuting bike.

 I've worked at universities a good chunk of my life and commuted with
 high(er) end bikes and never had any issues. I like riding nice bikes -
 which is why I own them. I've parked in high foot traffic zones (in front
 of libraries, security, etc.) or bring my bike inside ( absolute in
 downtown Vancouver) when possible or parking my bike is in eyesight
 (

Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Eric Daume]

I think many of us have had an experience where we cared much more about
the bike for a loved one than the loved one does. Maybe that’s where the
question was coming from.

Eric
Three kids, zero who care about bikes :(

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Doug, I was addressing Leah's response to John Hawrylak's question, not
> your posting.
>
> John
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple question
>> mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a breath? Really
>> man?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>>>
>>> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the *strength
>>> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the amount of
>>> attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>>>
>>> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you don't
>>> like.
>>>
>>> John
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John,
 Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.

 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike waiting for
 him that you would like to gift him?

 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely confused
 about the topic of the conversation?

 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I was
 imposing my choices on my son?

 If #1, no thank you, we have 2 good Clems to choose from.

 If #2, I would direct you to the beginning of the thread. Freshman
 don’t have cars at the campus we’re looking at, and one needs alternate
 transportation.

 If #3, I’ll not dignify your question with any answer.

 Leah

 On Aug 14, 2023, at 9:52 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW
 Owners Bunch  wrote:

 Leah


 I might I missed it, but does your son want a bike at college

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding
 Ding! wrote:

> 
> 
> Wow, since the boys were in elementary school, Ryan, that’s a long
> time! But yes, I started out in late 2012 with a Betty and was pulling the
> younger one on his “one-wheeler.”
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Re: [RBW] Cycling shoes for wide feet?

[Eric Daume]

 Not at all classic, but 5-10s fit my wide feet with room to spare.

Eric.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023, Eric Marth  wrote:

> I noticed some discussion from other widefoot cyclists over in another
> thread about a pair of Dromarti shoes that are for sale. At the risk of
> further drifting a simple For Sale post I thought I'd start a new thread.
>
> I wear an 11.5 EEE and just assumed I could never squeeze my foot into one
> of those fine Dromarti road slippers. Their sizing page
>  says they aren't designed for wide or
> "high volume" feet! Are there any proper cycling shoes out there that
> accommodate serious width?
>
> The Stomp Lox shoes seem to be vaguely styled after Birkenstocks though I
> don't have any first-hand experience. A Birkenstock size 45 fits me well.
> According to the sizing chart it seems that both and 11 and 12 size Stomp
> Lox will accommodate my foot which measures 26.5cm in circumference.
>
> The Stomp Lox made for Ron's Bikes are all made in Japan. Stomp Lox
> available anywhere else are made in China.
>
> Stop Lox official 
> Stop Lox at Ron's Bikes
> 
>
> William Lennon 
> in Derbyshire offers classic leather cycling shoes, but they're designed
> with flat soles for traditional toe clips. I don't see any wide offerings.
>
> Steel Vintage Bikes
>  in Berlin
> offers a few nice leather options with flat soles. Doesn't seem they're for
> wide feet, either.
>
> If you have any recs or tips let's hear them!
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed (QB/SO/RU..) Questions

[Eric Daume]

I used to futz around with my old Cross Check, with lot of theoretical
geared and fixed combos out of a 36/40 chainring combo, a 16t fixed cog,
and a 16/19 freewheel. Or something. Now I'm simplifying and mostly just
run my old Trek with a 46/17 fixed gear, about 72" inches on 650b wheels.
That works fine for flat central Ohio. I have a freewheel on the flip side,
but I've never used it.

Eric

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 8:11 PM Jason Zakaras 
wrote:

> So as its been posted, I'm selling my Quickbeam, but even with "too low"
> prices, its still not moving.  I also have options to figured out how to
> tow my newest addition and I can make space/have the space so who cares.
> The big concern for me is riding it and I don't find myself jumping on it
> as often as I'd like.  Partially due to the epic mtn bike scene immediately
> around me and my newly rebuilt bombora that I absolutely love.  That said,
> It would be fun to hit the trails on a QB and I have a pass&stow rack and
> some bags I'd like to use to do some camping with my twin boys (7) and the
> SS would be a nice way to enjoy the trip out to the woods with them.
>
> The question I pose is what gear options do you all enjoy.  I've dug into
> the internets and I'm sure there is a post or 100 on this here already but
> I figured with the upcoming roduno and its many possibilities, this might
> be a fun chat to dig into.
>
> I'm currently at 48-18 and its great climbing around rural gravel roads in
> the midwest but now I'm in steeper hills its a bear-cat.
>
> Thanks xo
> Jason Cheap QB For Sale.
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed (QB/SO/RU..) Questions

[Eric Daume]

Rivs are not unique in this. Your own BMC Monster Cross has angled drop
outs, as does the Surly Cross Check and just about very pre-early 80s road
bike.

Eric

On Friday, August 25, 2023, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Patrick Moore is " curious why an IGH with single ring and single cog is
> more antithetical to the Quickbeam idea than multiple rings and multiple
> cogs."
>
> I find it odd that Patrick Moore (of all people) doesn't comprehend this.
> The reason why is that slanted horizontals (rearward OR forward facing) are
> IDEAL for different chain lengths with no tensioner on a bike with a rear
> rim brake.  The Quickbeam (and SimpleOne and Frank Jones Senor) have
> rearward facing slanted horizontals.  Patrick Moore's various modded bikes
> have forward facing long slanted horizontals.  With that base foundation,
> one CAN run a rear rim brake, multiple rings and/or multiple cogs and not
> have to worry about brake re-configuration on each chain position choice.
> That's a unique feature.  Mojo pointed out that if you set up your bike
> with a single ring and single cog THEN the bike "loses its uniqueness in
> the process."  Mojo did not say it's antithetical to the Quickbeam idea.
> Slanted horizontals are super cool.  It's lame that so many singlespeeds
> have track ends instead of some kind of slanted horizontal.  It's lame that
> Rivendell Singlespeeds have to be unique in that feature.  If one's
> individual setup chooses not to employ that feature, that's builder's
> choice.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm curious why an IGH with single ring and single cog is more
>> antithetical to the Quickbeam idea than multiple rings and multiple cogs.
>>
>> My 1999 Joe Starck gofast fixed gear 26" wheel road bike has several
>> wheelsets, of which 2 are (1) the "main" wheelset: Phil QR fixed/fixed hub
>> with 17/19t Dingle on 1 side, 76" and 68"; and (2) Sa TC hub with 17 t cog
>> and direct + 86.54% underdrive, 76" and 66." The 2 wheels give a very
>> similar spread and I've thought of using the TC wheel for another bike. But
>> then I go out for a ride on a very windy day and the ability to gear down
>> with the flick of a lever makes me say, "No, I'll keep this wheel" -- this
>> despite the fact that it's very easy to shift from 76" to 68" on the Phil
>> wheel thanks to the Dingle and the QR.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 12:03 PM 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Quickbeam | 60cm Rivendell Quickbeam, shown here in multi-ge… |
>>> Flickr 
>>>
>>> ... Lots of frames can be converted to an IGH drivetrain. The Quickbeam,
>>> with its multi-single speed versatility, can be too of course but loses its
>>> uniqueness in the process.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 10/23 BLAGH regarding the Roaduno

[Eric Daume]

Angled dropouts allow the rear rim to track the brake pad as you move the
wheel back and forth in the dropouts. The upshot of this is that if you are
performing manual gear changes (for instance, a 42t ring up front, and a
16/18 White Industries dos cog in the rear), you can change gears (by
moving the wheel in the dropout) and the brakes will still hit the rim.

If the slot is horizontal, the brake pads will lose contact with the rim as
you move the wheel. It's an all around worse system.

The best system for this kind of nerdiness is a forward facing slanted
dropout (for example, the recently departed Surly Cross Check). That still
allows manual gear change tomfoolery, but it makes wheel removal,
especially with fenders, much easier.

Eric


On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 7:26 PM Paul Richardson 
wrote:

> hi bill
>
> perhaps a dumb question BUT i wonder if you'd mind shedding light on how
> this dropout vs. quickbeam (/s.o./f.j.sr.) dropout changes the setup
> options.  i'm not clear on the effect of the horizontal dropout as opposed
> to the slanted one.
>
> i too find many reasons to be very excited about the pending roaduno
> DROP.
>
> thanks!
> paul
> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] WTB/ISO New or Used Shimano Deore XT rear derailleur

[Eric Daume]

Are you running friction shifting, and how big of a cassette will you go?
Those will help determine what derailer you can run.

Eric

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Caroline Golum 
wrote:

> Hey RBOBs,
>
> The time has finally come for a new rear derailleur! And this time I’d
> like to expand my gear ratio, ideally without having to replace my single
> crank with a double. My new favorite mechanic (shoutout to Damon at Nomad
> Cycles) suggested I switch to the Deore XT (I’m running a 105 with 11-28T
> right now)
>
> Now here’s my question: given the overall decline in quality
> for.,…..everything on planet earth…….should I get a new rear derailleur or
> hunt around on here/EBay for something a little older (not by much, c. 2009
> or so).
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Re: [RBW] Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[Eric Daume]

The simplest solution is to also use two chainrings, matching the cog
difference (for instance, with a 16/18 Dos freewheel, use 42 and 44t
chainrings). Then the 44/16 and 42/18 have the same chain length, and the
rotor to pad relationship doesn't change.

Or just use a disc front and a rim brake rear, and a forward facing
horizontal dropout (like typical UJBs have)

Eric

On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 6:12 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thinking out loud; help me clarify my thoughts.
>
> I think of devising a Monocog replacement, with 622X76/29X3" wheels, but
> instead of a mono cog, with a duo cog. This hypothetical bike would have
> disc brakes. I don't want to use a chain tensioner, and I prefer to take
> advantage of the greater gear ratio differences between cogs of different
> sizes compared to rings with the same tooth differences, and of the
> consequent smaller axle movement required to adjust chain slack, so the
> multiple cogs would be in the back and not on the crank.
>
> On my beloved 1999 Joe Starck Riv Road Custom fixie I use a 17/19 Dingle
> on a Phil hub with a QR axle; it's very easy to stop, flip the QR lever,
> move the chain, align the wheel, and tighten the QR.
>
> That's what I imagine for the Monocog replacement.
>
> 1. Disc brakes. But this bike would have disc brakes. I'd probably not
> need more than a 2-t cog difference, but will your typical caliper/rotor
> setup accept the 1/4" axle movement? (1/8" of axle movement is required --
> so they say; I've never measured it and take it on faith -- to accomodate a
> 1 tooth sprocket difference.)
>
> 2. Two cogs. How to get 2 cogs onto a suitable "ss" hub with a freewheel.
> The DIngle isn't made anymore and in any event wasn't made -- am I right?
> -- with 2-teeth gaps. The Monocog has a freehub designed to take 1 single
> Shimano-spline-type cog; there's no room for a second cog. >>>What options
> does one have to get 2 cogs with a 2-tooth difference onto a hub suitable
> for a QR axle?
>
> I realize that I could just use an old 7 speed Shimano freehub, and I
> might end up doing that, but I'd prefer to have a hub that does not require
> a wide stack of spacers.
>
> 3. Axle type and dropouts/trackends/thru-axle holes. I know that long
> forward-facing horizontal dropouts, a QR axle, and a hub with 2 cogs on 1
> side allows very easy manual shifting, as this sort of shifting goes. I am
> also pretty sure that a good builder can use 135 mm OL spacing and still
> give me the stay clearance I need for true 3" tires, so I'm inclined to
> stick with this very old-fashioned wheel attachment method.
>
> But if there are other wheel attachment methods that allow you to easily
> move the chain from one cog to another, I'd be interested to learn about
> them. Sliding dropouts?
>
> Are there any other things to consider ?
>
> Thanks, Patrick Moore, who had a nice ride to church and back today on a
> pretty Fall day riding the Monocog with 72 mm tires and a single 65" gear
> despite the bosque trail sand and the rear tire knobs occasionally
> "whisping" on the chainstays (I fixed seatstay clearance with a hammer).
> The Silca Impero with Campy head and the Road-style BB7s pulled by non-aero
> DC levers are ironic but in fact work very well. When braking from the
> hoods you simply pull from a bit lower down on the lever; and the Impero's
> fat barrel moves lots of air fast into low pressure tires; 13 psi this
> morning and it could have been lower.
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Re: [RBW] Boomerang Rivs

[Eric Daume]

Jason, at the risk of going OT, I’d love to hear about your Wombat. It’s a
bike I’ve been eyeing, even though I really can’t justify it.

Thanks,

Eric

On Sunday, October 22, 2023, Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I did this with the Charlie Gallop - I sold it to a friend, then a few
> months later after I noticed they were dragging their heels on building it
> up and me feeling a hole where my Charlie once was, offered to buy it back
> - which worked out. Then I rode it a few more months, realized it was
> entirely overlapping other bikes I have, so I sold it a second time but
> this time to someone far enough away I couldn't casually buy it back.
>
> When I bought the Charlie back I put my Crust Wombat up for sale because I
> only had room for one of them - thankfully it didn't sell because it's
> probably my favourite bike now (and gets more mileage than any other).
>
> On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 12:20:16 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> for some reason I'm on a low-ebb on my tendency to photo document
>> everythingand I was desperate to get a huge pile of cardboard out to
>> the recycling center, so I sliced up that box setup rapidly and didn't take
>> any photos.  :(
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> P.S. the Boomerang Rosco Bubbe road is now completely stripped down and
>> its build kit is getting redeployed.
>>
>> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 11:51:11 AM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> Heck Bill, seems like the shipping features are worthy of a photo or two.
>>> 1 boomerang Riv in the stable (Roadeo).
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:37:39 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I received my second "boomerang Riv" yesterday.  My definition of a
 "boomerang Riv" is:

 -I bought it from Rivendell
 -I sold it to somebody for whatever reason
 -I bought it back again

 My first boomerang Riv was my Hillborne frame set.  Boomerang Riv #2 is
 my R05C0 8U883 road complete.  It's the same BLUE 58cm as is on ebay right
 now.  I'm very pleased to have a liftatube bike back in the stable.  The
 build kit of this Rosco will get re-absorbed into inventory and will
 partially find its way on to a very weird upcoming build.  I'm going to
 develop a new build concept for the Rosco, and now have a frame to
 handwring over if I decide I need to join the 26.8mm handwringers.  Maybe
 I'll get my hands on a seat tube reamer and WOW it out to 27.2mm.

 A very amusing shipping detail was that my boomerang seller had a shop
 box up the bike.  they put the bike into a "bike box" and then put the bike
 box into an "e-bike box".  It was double boxed!  It was by far the most
 bullet proof box jobs I have seen.

 Pics when there are pics worth showing.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

[Eric Daume]

I would get the Sam for the effective brakes. I've never had a good
experience with long reach sidepulls.

Eric

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:46 AM Polipop  wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then
> Clem Smith Jr..
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> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Eric Daume]

My guess is that Grant thinks the long chainstays are the clear winner, so
why make a lesser design? (I completely understand they aren't a clear win
for everybody)

It's also a way to differentiate Riv products--there aren't that many long
chainstay bikes around.

Eric

On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 11:56 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> I've groused about this before a bit, - it's more about the fact that I
> think that design characteristic is great for certain models, but doesn't
> need to be applied to the majority of the Rivendell lineup, IMO. As the
> owner of a Gus, I think it's great for that bike and it's intended purpose.
> It's extremely comfortable to ride, both on and especially off road. Same
> with Susie of course, and also Clems and Joes. What I can't understand is,
> instead of having two such similarly designed and equipped models as the
> Atlantis and Appaloosa, why not have just the Appaloosa be the long-stay
> version for those who want that feature in a touring-capable, all-purpose
> frame? I just don't understand this, given how they couldn't justify having
> both the Gus and the Susie / Wolbis and ended up discontinuing the Gus. At
> least with those models there was more distinct differences than I can find
> in the Atlantis and the Appaloosa. I think the venerated Atlantis should be
> returned to its more traditional touring frame geometry with stays that are
> closer in length to say, a Sam Hillborne.
>
> The super-long wheelbase does make traveling with, and storing the bike a
> lot more cumbersome. I understand how it affects the ride and handling of
> the bike, but to me, I'm not sure it is enough of a selling point to make
> me want to purchase any other Riv with long chainstays.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
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Re: [RBW] Box Size for 59 Clem

[Eric Daume]

Shipping cost will still go up with dimensions. I’ve shipped enough bikes
and frames to learn that cutting down boxes can make a significant
difference (while still being in the oversized/dimensional weight
category).

Eric


On Tuesday, March 5, 2024, Garth  wrote:

> These boxes are so large that they go dimensional weight, meaning, over a
> certain size box you basically pay through the nose regardless of how much
> larger the box than what qualifies for dimensional(oversize) weight in the
> first place.  For example, my 59 Susie frame box is 53x11x35 and double
> boxed. The shipping label from Riv claimed 15 pounds or something like
> that. I weighed it on an  accurate scale and it was more like 25 pounds. At
> first thought that might be how Riv can send out frames so much cheaper
> than retail customers can, by udder labeling them.  Estimating the ship
> cost on Pirate Ship though, it didn't change the price at all from when I
> claim 15 or 25. This is retail of course, wholesale I can't speak to. I
> seriously doubt a whole bike box is going to be much more than an already
> oversized frame box.
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:37:45 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I see you are moving. Must be a complete.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Isaac Martin  wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody happen to have a box that a 59 clem or 60 platypus or
>> similar length bike was shipped in? Would you be so kind to measure it for
>> me?
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to source a box to move and don't want to get too large as I will
>> be paying by volume, and will obviously need one long enough to fit the
>> bike.
>>
>> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Eric Daume]

What Treks did you see? Looking at their website, I don't see anything that
long, outside their Electra cruisers. Trek has a LOT of models though, so
it's easy to overlook something.

Eric

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 12:50 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Went to my LBS looking for a bike box, and there is one wall with new
> long-chain stay-wheelbase Treks ready to ride out the door. I figured
> someone would copy Riv sooner or later. People have been copying Riv since
> late in the last century, much like folks are copying RH tires since about
> 2010.
>
> I guess they know a good thing when they ride it.
> Mike SLO CA
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:40:42 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> People do lament about modern frame/parts design Bill, and they do it
>> @Bikeforums.net in mostly the classic & vintage section :) All vintage
>> makes and models are talked about and bought and sold and very much
>> prized/appreciated. It is by far the most active section of BF. There's a
>> couple of members who regularly post .pdf scans of old cycling publications
>> like Bicycling! magazine of most any bike that was reviewed at the time.
>> Not just bikes of course but all the vintage parts too from how they work
>> to how to tear down and repair them. It's a very diverse community that has
>> the same polarizing topics as any other places, but it's broken down into
>> vary sections to make it easier to post and find posts. Lots of riders who
>> love anything "new" and lots that don't.
>>
>> The demand and use for all kinds of bikes and parts Worlwide is far
>> beyond anyone's means or abilities to count. Andel, likely the largest
>> crank manufacturer in the World, has lots of traditional doubles and
>> triples and they manufacture Riv's cranks for them.
>>
>> As for the megastays, it is what it is. There's a whole lotta frames and
>> makers to choose from. Thankfully there are other people/businesses
>> interested in having steel frames(stock and custom), friction shifters and
>> non-disc hubs made so there's very little if anything I shop @Riv for.
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:13:52 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I promise you that Rivendell is flattered that nice people gather
>>> themselves to complain about the former-models that Riv no longer makes.
>>> It shows a love for Rivendell that most other bike brands don't get.
>>> There's no Specialized google group where current Specialized fans are
>>> griping about Rockhoppers and Sequoias.  All those nostalgic cyclists have
>>> bailed on Specialized entirely.
>>>
>>> What Rivendell does, and has always done, is build the bikes they want
>>> to exist.  If you like one and want to buy it, great.  If you don't like
>>> any of them and buy something else, that's also great.  They (Riv) does not
>>> care about making money, except to the extent they can keep the lights on
>>> and pay their people a modest living wage.  They do not care about growth.
>>> Actually, they probably have made up their minds that they can't grow.
>>> They know exactly how many bikes they can afford to sell, and they plan out
>>> making that many bikes.  That very limited number of bikes is always going
>>> to be "whatever they feel like making".  They count on the fact that
>>> somebody is going to buy them, and it usually works out for them.  The
>>> bikes they feel like making are bikes that don't exist anywhere else and/or
>>> have never been made before.  When they made the Saluki circa 2007, bikes
>>> like the Saluki didn't exist.  Today, bikes like the Saluki do exist, so
>>> Riv doesn't have to make them.  The fact that some Riv-fans are nostalgic
>>> for former models is touching, but they don't make nostalgia models. If you
>>> want a short wheelbase Rivendell, buy a Crust, ride the heck out of it, and
>>> be happy.  That's what Riv would tell you.
>>>
>>> The Roaduno is the classic, IMO.  They love the idea of a purpose built
>>> 3x1 road bike.  Nobody...not a single person on earth is pounding on their
>>> keyboard complaining that it's hard to find a purpose built 3x1 road bike.
>>> There is NO demand for it, but Riv is making it anyway, because they feel
>>> like it.  If you buy it, great.  If you don't, they hope you find something
>>> else that you do want to buy.  It's perfectly logical for you nostalgic
>>> Riv-fans to gripe "they couldve taken that Roaduno money and did a run of
>>> traditional short-wheelbase Atlantis"  Yep, they could have.  That's
>>> not what they felt like doing.
>>>
>>> My advice to the disappointed is to just let Riv be Riv.  Seek out the
>>> bikes you like, buy them and ride them.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but that
 is as long as I need.

 On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:01 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:

> I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the
>

Re: [RBW] Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[Eric Daume]

You can buy a guard, but they are also easy to make: get a used/worn/cheap
ring that maybe 4 teeth larger than your biggest ring, and grind, snap, or
saw the teeth off, then file smooth.

Eric

On Thursday, March 7, 2024, David  wrote:

> This is all really great input. The trouble I'm having is finding a
> configuration out there (new or otherwise) that comes close to the  Sugino
> 74/110 triple with the original 32/40/guard chainrings. Where would you go
> to gather these parts?
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> I have an orange Quickbeam, which I bought new, with the original Sugino
>> 74/110 triple with the original 32/40/guard chainrings. I immediately
>> removed the provided 18t freewheel and put on a White 17/19t Dos Eno. I
>> also put a 22 on the flop side of the flip/flop hub that Riv included with
>> the bike.
>>
>> With the long dropout, I can use 40/17 (99%+ of my riding), 40/19, 32/19
>> or 32/22. I like to say I have the world’s least convenient 4 speed. I
>> haven’t “shifted” the bike about 5 years or more, but in the first 8 years
>> that I owned it, I would take it for long recreational rides and need to
>> downshift for some hills. For the locals: I even rode it up Old La Honda
>> years ago, I think in the 32/19, maybe the 32/22. Age and 2 bouts with
>> cancer have made a single speed bike only suitable for commuting for me
>> now, but it’s great for that.
>>
>> I’d definitely recommend 2 chainrings at about 8t difference if you want
>> some versatility. I have the pop off SKS fender stay things, and pack an
>> old gardening glove in my saddle bag so I can change the gearing without
>> getting too messy.
>>
>> Drew
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>>
>>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones,
>>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic
>>> single speed crankset anymore.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Eric Daume]

I bought the MP pump. I like it, but it’s not a clear winner:

+ great for quickly filling up high volume/ low pressure tires
- difficult to get above 45 psi or so
- the base is too small and makes it feel unstable.

Because of the high pressure limitations, I ended up keeping my old floor
pump around as well.

Eric
Who also has two work stands…

On Friday, March 15, 2024, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Most people consider the Mike Plumpatire floor pump to be a part of the
> Hobson Zingo program.  If you require explicit HZ branding on each item,
> the MP pump doesn't qualify.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/mike-plumpatire-floor-pump
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:46:17 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:
>>
>>> Their floor pump is awesome!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and
 would recommend...

 Thank you
 peter

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Eric Daume]

Well, now I'm more curious and might have a reason to go visit my giant
local Trek store!

Eric

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 9:59 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Eric D asked what model Treks.  Good question, as I just walked in on the
> sout side of the store and exited on the north side.
>
> Well, went back to the LBS today after dental appointment. I was looking
> for 1) a chain checker tool, and 2) Purple Loctite #222. Fizzled out on
> both.  The long wheelbase Treks are the FX 1, FX 2 and FX 3. Sports are a
> bit shorter. Nothing like what Kim Hetzel shows in the Clem photo.  The web
> photos appear to show a bike with a shorter wheelbase, shorter chainstays
> than what I observed, in person, at the LBS.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 11:10:20 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Joel,
>> I am grateful to hear that you have arrived at the much desired height
>> with your handlebar stem.
>>
>> Comfort in the cockpit is everything.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 11:02 AM J S  wrote:
>>
>>> Kim, I have the height  I need while it is maxed out it is just what I
>>> need.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:59 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
 @Joel,

 It is quite comforting to hear that I am not alone in not wanting to
 have a threadless stem on my bicycle, my Clem. I only have one bicycle that
 I ride. The other is a retired road bike that I would like to sell to a
 good home.

 Would the Nitto Technomic NTC-280 stem help you get the height you want
 on your favorite bike ?

 Kim Hetzel.


 On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 5:51 AM J S  wrote:

> Kim, I agree, I have never wanted a threadless stem, probably for the
> same reasons as you. In my mind a threadless stem will not give me the
> height I desire, maybe I am wrong but I have my bikes and will not be
> adding any more.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 8:51 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> @Joel,
>> You are more than welcome.
>> I was very fortunate to find this very quill stem. I could not bring
>> myself to go threadless, after over 40 years going used to quill stems. I
>> am very slow to change, by the way. I am very happy with the The Nitto
>> Technomic NTC-280 stem.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 4:27:13 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Kim. I have only used Technomic stems because they were the
>> longest available when I started with Riv in ‘97 or so. I think on my 
>> first
>> road I used the shorter Technomic deluxe.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 7:23 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>> @Joel,
>> The  Nitto Technomic NTC-280 stemis very much different than that of
>> the Nitto Technomic Tallux in that the NTC-280 stem's quill is a length 
>> of
>> 11.02 inches, while the Tallux stem's quill length is shorter, 10.3 
>> inches.
>>
>> This is where I bought mine:
>> https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-technomic-ntc-280-stem-1
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 5:50:11 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Kim, is this  NITTO Technomic NTC-280 Stem the same as the
>> Technomic? I never heard the NTC-280 part before. The Technomic is the 
>> old
>> high stem I think Riv now calls the Tallux.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 9:52 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>> @John,
>> From you have spoken about more weight distribution further back on
>> the rear wheel and the handlebars closer to the rider for a comfortable
>> upright riding position, in my case with my 52cm Clem "L" bike, I have
>> found myself very comfortable with more weight on the back wheel with a
>> Sakae Ringyo MTE-100 seat post paired with a Brooks B-66S saddle. As far 
>> as
>> getting the my Nitto Bosco bars higher and closer to me, I found a NITTO
>> Technomic NTC-280 Stem to get me there. The stem is outrageously tall, 
>> yet
>> it all works for me with everything around these long chain stays as a
>> senior cyclist.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. [image: 20240128_143701hhh.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 8:04:12 AM UTC-8 John Johnson wrote:
>>
>> I have both normal and longish chainstay bikes in my house. I like
>> the aesthetics of both, and they both feel "normal" (like Matt from Crust
>> said) once you're riding.
>>
>> I know way less about bike handling and geometry than most of you,
>> but one thing I assume that when you're riding in a more upright 
>> position,
>> you want those long chainstays because your center of gravity is more aft
>> than with a "traditional" bike position, where you are leaned a bit more
>> forward on your hands and your weight is distributed more up front. It
>> makes intuitive sense to me, and if you look at both Jones and Riv, the
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Eric Daume]

If you want Riv's explanation, it's here:

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/why-the-long-stays-chainstay-length

Eric

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 8:02 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Bill
>
>
>
> I would say “solve some objective problem not addressed by all other
> bikes *or be an improvement* by all other bikes”  regardless of the
> logical/philosophical issue of Rivendells existing or nor.
>
>
>
> Also, I think most of us would agree “all other bikes” would the bikes you
> see in Trek store, a Fuji store, a Specialized store, a Crust website, a
> Walmart sporting goods section, etc.  I am not thinking about designs which
> may exist in the world where bikes are used in lieu of motorized vehicles
> and not just as a recreational diversion.
>
>
>
> John Hawrylak
>
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *William Lindsay
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 6:57 PM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do
> They Solve?
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> OK so you are saying that every bike on earth that is currently available
> are all in one group and Rivendells are not in that group.  In order  to be
> allowed to exist a Rivendell must either conform with the first group’s
> designs or solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes.
> Is that it?
>
>
>
> BL in EC
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 3:43 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the long
> C/S solving?  I thought it was a straight forward question.
>
>
>
> I suggest *eliminate* “in bike design” and problems or current
> deficiencies refer to the current bikes available.Another way of saying
> it is what “improvements” in bicycles result from the Long C/S.
>
>
>
> So far the responses indicate Long C/S improve
>
> Overall handling, seems to apply to all surfaces.
>
> Comfort, especially from bumps in the surface.
>
> Climbing and Descending single track type trails (like the ones in the RBW
> pictures on Mt Diablo).  The climbing improvement appears to due to
> improved weight distribution vs improved bio-mechanical items.
>
>
>
> John Hawrylak
>
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2024 5:19 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They
> Solve?
>
>
>
> The OP asked: "*What problem or current deficiency in bike design is
> Grant solving by using long chain stays"*
>
>
>
> What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"?  If you can define
> that, perhaps I can respond to your question (emphatically stated with FOUR
> question marks)
>
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 10:50:18 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown
> NJ wrote:
>
> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?",
> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems
> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>
> upright riding
>
> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>
>
>
> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>
> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use
> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with
> long stays.
>
> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a
> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were
> solutions to actual problems.
>
>
>
> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by
> using long chain stays*
>
> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>
> Or do they solve a real problem???
>
>
>
> John Hawrylak
>
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>
> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm
> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
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Re: [RBW] how wide of wheels and tires will a specialized seqoia handle

[Eric Daume]

I have an ‘82 as well and it has good clearance, depending on the brakes
used. My current Superbe Pros have lots of room, while the previous Tektros
were tighter. The previous owner said he could fit 35mm actual tires, and
that looks possible (at least with the Suntour brakes)

Eric

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024, JohnS  wrote:

> Hello Bo,
>
> I have an '82 Sequoia that I have RH 700 x 32 Stampede Pass tires mounted
> on Velocity Quill rims. Comfortable amount of clearance without fenders. I
> have not tired them with fenders since this is my naked road bike (no
> fenders nor racks). My Crust LB-canti is my fully dressed bike. I'm very
> happy with my Sequoia, nice neutral handling, smooth ride and descends
> well. FWIW, I've heard people on the 650B list like to convert the Sequoia
> to 650b, so 38 or even a 42 may fit.
>
> Good luck,
> JohnS
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:09:27 PM UTC-4 boru...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> there is a steel sequoia I am looking at remotely.
>> the tires on it say 23mm and look narrow as knife blades
>> there doesn't seem to be a lot of room beyond that
>> for wider wheels and tires.
>>
>> I bet there are 20 people on the list with experience
>> with this situation
>>
>> is the sequoia a good solution for someone hoping for
>> 32s or at least 28s?
>>
>> fenders would be too much to hope for?
>>
>> thanks for the expertise
>>
>> Bo
>> Bellingham
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking to buy: V brakes and levers

[Eric Daume]

The Yokozuna V brakes are currently 65% off at Soma, thru Sunday. I bought
a pair at the last sale, they're nice enough. Seemed similar to Shimano
Deore.

Eric

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 6:53 PM Donzaemon  wrote:

> You can purchase Yokozuna v-brakes and levers from Soma.  Wait till one of
> their killer sales and you can get a deep discount. However, Wesley's
> suggestion looks great.
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2024 at 8:35:55 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I’m building up a vintage MTB frame. Looking for decent v brakes with
>> levers. Nothing too expensive as this is a cheap frame. Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

[Eric Daume]

Bill says “it depends,” but I can only offer my experience, which is that
both are adequate in the dry, but centerpulls are spooky weak when the rims
are wet. Centerpulls do look nicer, but in every performance category, V
brakes are a clear and easy win for me.

Eric
V brake fan

On Thursday, April 25, 2024, Robert Calton  wrote:

> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes
> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier
> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel
> fundamentally different than the other during the ride?
>
> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really
> *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are
> there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't
> run more than 43mm tires and fenders.
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Re: [RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

[Eric Daume]

I have to admit, my only centerpull experience is with bolt on Dia Compes
and Weimnmans, none of the fancy brakes.

Then again, blue collar V brakes work great.

Eric

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 7:55 PM Josiah Anderson 
wrote:

> I agree both with Bill's "it depends" and Eric's "(some) centerpulls are
> spooky weak when wet." That depends on the centerpulls. DC750s, for
> example, I would agree are marginal-to-dangerous when wet, which I
> attribute to their flexy arms and low mechanical advantage. Mafac Racers
> and Raids, however, are the equal of any brake I've used, dry or wet or
> icy, *when set up well* and with salmon pads. I have not used René Herse
> centerpulls, but since they're basically Raid copies I'd expect them to be
> excellent as well, which matches what I've heard about them. V-brakes seem
> to have fewer possibilities for variation in performance because they're so
> standardized in design and simple to set up, and therefore people don't
> experience bad ones as often. Bad v-brakes do exist but they usually come
> from Walmart.
>
> Josiah Anderson
> Missoula, MT
>
> Le jeu. 25 avr. 2024 à 15:28, Eric Daume  a écrit :
>
>> Bill says “it depends,” but I can only offer my experience, which is that
>> both are adequate in the dry, but centerpulls are spooky weak when the rims
>> are wet. Centerpulls do look nicer, but in every performance category, V
>> brakes are a clear and easy win for me.
>>
>> Eric
>> V brake fan
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024, Robert Calton  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes
>>> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier
>>> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel
>>> fundamentally different than the other during the ride?
>>>
>>> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really
>>> *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are
>>> there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't
>>> run more than 43mm tires and fenders.
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Eric Daume]

I've had a Melvin in my parts stash for years that's looking for a reason,
so this build kind of appeals to me. But, out here in the flatlands, I
don't really need three super widely spaced gears. With my
cruising (normally fixed) gear of 44x17, maybe something like 44/40/36,
about 10% jumps. Hmm, maybe I'll see what rings I have in stock.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 2:26 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me
> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory
> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming
> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from
> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the
> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a
> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one
> Campy Part" club:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>
> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a
> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will
> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs
> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This
> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it
> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches
> with these tires.
>
> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as
> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo
> summit on the RoadTrio.
>
> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives
> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Eric Daume]

I'm going to be the contrarian here. My experience is that I tend to enjoy
the "cheap and cheerful" bikes more than bikes that were more expensive
with greater expectations. I look at my little bike fleet, and sometimes
think I could sell off a good chunk of them and buy something "nicer," but
in practice, this doesn't work for me. I've owned a handful of Rivs over
the years, but my current favorite bike is a 40 year old Trek that I paid
$200 for, set up as a simple fixed gear.

I'll also add that in my experience of flipping many bikes, Rivs don't hold
their value better or worse than any other more mainstream frames; they're
just more expensive to start with. Buying used is always the best way to
avoid any tears here.

Eric


On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 11:44 AM max.c@gmail.com 
wrote:

> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people
> and I'm okay with that!
>
> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles
> each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do
> it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like
> riding my bike and I do it whenever I can.
>
> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied
> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor
> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had
> the itch to upgrade.
>
> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on
> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the
> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm
> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s
> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's
> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you
> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Max
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Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[Eric Daume]

Riv framesets come with a headset installed. That's the hardest job for a
home mechanic, in my experience. The next hardest job is ordering the
correct parts: bottom bracket spindle length and crank and (if you're using
one) the front derailer all need to play together correctly. After that,
it's mostly bolting stuff together, it would be hard to actually damage
your frame doing this.

Setting some things (chain length, cable housing length, brake pad
adjustment, derailer limit stops) take a bit of thought and/or youtube
research, but especially with a friction drivetrain and rim brakes, none of
this is rocket science.

Eric
who last bought a complete bike in... um... er...
in
Plain City, OH

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 11:32 AM Michael  wrote:

> Hi all,
> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle
> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike
> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically
> inclined.
>
> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a
> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been
> wiser to just order it complete?
>
> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something
> stupid!
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [RBW] Budget Clem L Build

[Eric Daume]

You might want to get on Soma’s email list. They’ve been having some great
sales (eg 65% off) and many of their parts will work great with a Riv
build.

Eric

On Monday, May 27, 2024, Franco Rinaldi  wrote:

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>
> About to grab a Clem frame and really want to do a highly utilitarian /
> budget build. Wanted to start a thread with tips and suggestions!
>
> Appreciate you guys,
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Re: [RBW] Budget Clem L Build

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You might want to get on Soma’s email list. They’ve been having some great
sales (eg 65% off) and many of their parts will work great with a Riv
build.

Eric

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Re: [RBW] FS on Facebook - Atlantis 64cm (2016)

[Eric Daume]

I thought the Altantises (?) in those bigger sizes only came in 700c?

Eric

On Sunday, February 5, 2023, Steve  wrote:

> Saw this on the Asheville, NC FB Marketplace. Appears mildly neglected
> with meh components. 650B wheel set. Posted early today (2/5). Asking $2500
>
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Re: [RBW] Pedal Question

[Eric Daume]

I’ve found that real Shimano SPDs work better than the various copies.
Wellgo , etc seem to have a clunkier entry and release. I started with
Shimano, then spent a lot of time on Time ATACs, but now I’ve been back on
SPDs for several years.  Relative to the Times, SPDs have less float on
paper, but it’s almost free float. Time’s float is always pushing against
the spring tension, so it never felt like much to me.

I use the entry level mtb 520s.  They work great, I still have my original
pair from the mid 90s.

Eric

On Thursday, February 23, 2023, Peter Adler  wrote:

> Greg's got the right idea: Start your clipless experiments with SPD,
> because they're ubiquitous and cheap to get.
>
> But the fact that they're easy to acquire doesn't mean they work for
> everybody. When I fearfully entered the clipless world circa 2010, I
> started with a pair of Wellgo pedals that had SPD on one side, and platform
> on the other. Although I tried for a couple of months, I could never get
> SPDs to work for me; I couldn't get the cleat to snap into the mechanism
> reliably, and I didn't get any noticeable feedback when I was successful.
> So I alternated between repeated failures to snap in/thinking I'd
> successfully snapped in, only to find my foot flying free off the
> pedal/thinking I'd failed, only to find that my foot was unexpectedly
> attached to the pedal. This gave me much *agita*.
>
> I then tried Crank Brothers pedals, and they were in my sweet spot. I've
> been riding CBs (Candys, the long-discontinued Quatros; if anybody's got
> Quatros to sell, hit me up) on my daily rider/pack mule (Raleigh
> International>Trek 720 touring) ever since. I find them easy to
> engage/disengage, and I feel a definitive SNAP when the cleat locks into
> the pedal, I also like having a little float, which CB provides. Plus, you
> can snap into Crank Brothers from either side, since the mechanism engages
> on all four of its faces. I have found that I can snap the spring holding
> the bits of the engagement mechanism in place, so I've got a couple of dead
> Quatros lying around. I haven't figured out how to disassemble the pedal so
> it's rebuildable; if I could do that, I could cannibalize the spring out of
> one pedal to rehab another.
>
> My advice is to start with SPD, for Greg's reasons. If they don't work,
> there are a lot of other options, each of which looks/feels different.
> Figure out what it was that didn't work for you on the SPDs, and let that
> guide you to one of the other candidates (CB, Time, Speedplay etc.). If
> none of your available clipless options work for you, platforms are fine -
> with or without toeclips/straps.
>
> Practice on a lawn; you'll fall down a lot at first. Most clipless newbies
> are nervous about disengaging at speed, but that almost never happens.
> You're most likely to fall over when you're going slow, or when you're
> stopping, especially of you have to stop suddenly and your instinct to
> disengage doesn't kick in fast enough to get a foot down. The half-dozen or
> so times I've fallen while cleated in have all been at red lights that had
> just turned as I approached. Since I was going slow when I fell, I mostly
> felt embarrassed, clumsy and stupid, rather than panicked. Passersby asked
> if I was OK, but I wasn't; I'd just bike-doofused in front of witnesses 😬
>
> Peter "pride goeth right when you fall down" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:50:51 PM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
> SPDs are ubiquitous, and you can find them for nearly free (for example, I
> have a couple of old but functional sets that I can send at cost, but I
> have no spare cleats).  If you like them generally, but find that they are
> lacking in some respect, then you can try the variations on the theme
> (eggbeaters, speedplay, road pedals, time, etc.), which all try to address
> some aspect of the clipless systems (float, platform size, weight, release
> mechanism, etc.).  Or if you decide that they're not worth the hype, then
> there you go.
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Re: [RBW] Hozan Bottom Bracket Tapping Tool

[Eric Daume]

No experience with the taps, but in my experience I would pick a Hozan tool
over a Park. Park tools just seem so-so to me.

On Thursday, March 23, 2023, JohnS  wrote:

> Anyone have experience with the Hozan BB tapping tool? My '82 Specialized
> Sequoia drive side treads have been cross threaded and need to be tapped.
> Park tool is too expensive for me.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/354072136754?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%
> 3D1110013%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIMRXI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D247483%26meid%
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Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Eric Daume]

Agree that three is a good target (road, mountain, utility), so why am I at
seven? I feel a sale coming up.

This topic always reminds me of the Peter Egan column asking how many
motorcycles you need. He comes out to five, with much of the same rationale
we use for bikes. I'm at zero there :(

https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1997/3/1/how-many-bikes-do-you-really-need

Eric


On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 7:32 PM J Schwartz  wrote:

> I've already gotten rid of a couple and still need to drop one...
> I think 3 is the magic number
> Currently:
> 2009 Hillborne, canti 56cm (Original Green , recently painted Harvest
> Gold) - 700x43
> 2017 Appaloosa 55cm (Silver) - 29x2.1
> 2019 Cheviot 60cm (metallic Blue) - 700x50
> 2004 Romulus, canti 59cm (Blue) - 700x35
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:07:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> My recollection of the article is that Grant arrived at 9 being the
>> sensible number.  One of the nine on Grant's list was a "project bike", and
>> there was at least one single speed.  The "project bike" slot struck me as
>> the GP version of "N+1" because whenever you finish the project then the
>> "project bike" slot is (by definition) empty, and sufficient grounds to
>> start a new project.  I've got a dialed in stable of 18 with two more on
>> order and a third likely to be ordered.  When I hit 21 I'm going to have to
>> do something about my storage situation.  Even with four addresses, it's
>> getting cozy.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:45:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs
>>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
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Re: [RBW] "You need 7 bikes" article

[Eric Daume]

Best answer yet!

On Thursday, March 30, 2023, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:

> Rivendell group, right? There are four correct responses to the 'right'
> number of  rings bikes:
>
> 1
> 3
> 7
> 9
>
> So everyone was right. Well done!
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
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Re: [RBW] Lovely Blue Riv Custom

[Eric Daume]

The external dyno wiring on such an expensive build looks... wrong.

Eric

On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 1:10 PM Ryan  wrote:

> Worth a look. The 2 Marks and Joe Bell have worked their usual magic.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/joshs-rivendell-custom?mc_cid=d5e44cc458&mc_eid=0074b52ae1
>
>
> I wonder if the custom program will ever return. I know Riv says it's a
> huge time and money sink, but I love seeing what people order for their
> customs and ogling the fine craftsmanship on display. Josh, whoever he is,
> must be thrilled after what was apparently a lengthy wait. But the result
> was worth it, judging by the pictures.
>
> Just sayin'
>
> Ryan
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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Eric Daume]

In my experience, sidepulls are great as long as you only ride in the dry
and don’t plan on any emergency stops.

Eric
Not a caliper fan

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023, Johnny Alien  wrote:

> I have zero issues with the effectiveness of sidepulls. I used them for
> years and years. I just think that the cantiposts gives you a lot more
> options for brakes (cant's, v, or mini-v) AND allow for using larger tires.
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:35:31 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I remember back in the days before V-brakes and disc brakes when numerous
>> cyclo-tourists and Tour de France racers were going over cliffs on mountain
>> descents because sidepulls and centerpulls don't work - *N**OT.*
>> But I do remember when you adjusted the toe-in of your brake pad by
>> twisting the caliper arms with a big crescent wrench in order to eliminate
>> squeal.
>>
>> Laing
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:02:03 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm one of the few people who prefer sidepulls over cantis or v-brakes.
>>> I bought one of the last Cheviots, which had sidepull caliper brakes for my
>>> wife. I wouldn't have bought it if it had required V-brakes or Cantis as I
>>> have never been able to even replace brake pads on those without causing
>>> squeal. I actually think that Disc brakes are better than either of those
>>> for my riding style, though not as good as sidepulls. In any case, as Joe
>>> pointed out --- there are plenty of canti or v-brake bikes in the Rivendell
>>> lineup. No need to begrudge us sidepull fans 3 models.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:13:39 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I would have to agree with that thinking, the number of "use v-brakes
 and sweptback bars" frames in the lineup is already extensive. I don't
 think the Gallop benefits (from a marketing perspective) from moving closer
 to the Hillborne's mission.

 On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:35:05 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Yeah I think it had to do with the brake pull situation. Most road
> brakes won't match with v brakes which means if you have a road setup vs a
> mountain setup you would need cantis or mini-v's. Since there are
> decreasing options for cantis they were leaning on mini-v's but I guess
> they didn't care for the options there. So they went back on the "designed
> for sweptbacks" and decided to push the albastache bars and road brakes.
> This is all a theory based on some of the stuff I remember reading from
> them.
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:07:55 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Correct; last word is that production will use long reach sidepulls.
>> Rarely has this entire group been so unanimously in opposition of a 
>> design
>> decision from Riv as their choosing to do so. I am very curious why they
>> went with this decision - the argument that it's a road-ish bike and
>> therefore caliper brakes make sense is a flimsy one.
>>
>> Especially considering how much tire the proto's fit!  For fun, I
>> tried 650x55 (note: frame is 700c) and there was actually loads of
>> clearance on the frame - at least 8mm everywhere. Fork was tighter but
>> still about 4mm clearance. Not much reason to do this vs. a Susie but it
>> was a fun experiment.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 5:43 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>>> Are there not going to be canti mounts on the production? That’s a
>>> huge mistake (deal breaker) in my opinion. These look like such a nice 
>>> and
>>> fun bikes!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was
 surprised when you let it go. Makes me want one, if only production 
 models
 had canti posts... Its nice having a dedicated fendered and racked 
 bike. I
 recently took off the front basket rack from my Joe to take it on some
 single track adventures. It was meant to be temporary but the lightened
 front end feels so good.. makes me want to have a different dedicated
 basket rack/fender city bike. Bikesnob had some similar musings about 
 his
 rock combo and homer recently.

 On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Thanks Dustin, Eric - indeed it's an Abus Bordo lock.  A little
> heavier than a similar strength U-lock but it's handy having it on the
> frame where I can't forget it.  I'm glad to hear the production run is
> secured it sounds like, I suppose the quietness is just because 
> they're in
> the waiting phase now.
>
> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 08:28:07 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your
>> other bikes. It's cool to

Re: [RBW] Homer Hilsen: Braking performance

[Eric Daume]

This was just discussed in the Charlie H Gallop proto thread.

Some people like those brakes, some people find them weak. I’m in the
latter group. I wouldn’t commit to such an expensive frame that is limited
to those brakes. My experience with long reach calipers is almost
universally bad, especially in the wet.

Eric

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023, Hoch in ut  wrote:

> I’m window shopping for the next project and was interested in the Homer.
> Great looking frame. My only concern is the brakes. I live in a pretty
> mountainous area. Meaning plenty of long, fast descents.
>
> Those of you with Homers, how have you liked or disliked the brakes? Do
> the 559’s give you adequate performance to descend with confidence? One
> thing I do like about caliper brakes are how easy they are to set up and
> adjust.
> Thanks for any input.
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Re: [RBW] FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[Eric Daume]

Yeah, it’s not 2021 anymore. The used bike market is pretty much
collapsing.

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> They want every last dime they put in it after spending all that money and
> not riding. Well good luck!*
>
> *For full pop I'd get a frame from Riv and build it myself.
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 6:55:18 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Gus, 54cm
>> $5,500
>> Brooklyn, NY
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-
>> rivendell-bicycle-works-gus/7613498712.html
>>
>> (it's tricked out, but wowza that price!)
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:09:26 AM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Roadini, 61cm
>>> $2400, Orange!
>>> Seattle, WA
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-
>>> road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.html
>>>
>>> Romulus, 24"
>>> $850
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-
>>> rivendell-romulus/7613561566.html
>>>
>>> Legolas, 59cm
>>> $3400
>>> Portland, OR area
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-
>>> rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.html
>>>
>>> Atlantis, 61cm
>>> $2500
>>> Port Townsend, WA
>>> https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/nordland-rivendell-
>>> atlantis-61cm/7606421089.html
>>>
>>> Appaloosa, 56cm
>>> $2000
>>> Portland, OR
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-
>>> rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Double 1x

[Eric Daume]

CUES has a 2x option.

Eric
who doesn't miss the front derailleur at all

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 8:22 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> Somewhere in the last two days I read something roughly this: "I tried to
> ditch front derailleurs on my road bike but they just work so well."
> Perhaps from one of the bike topic digest emails I get daily but oh so
> true. I solved my FD needs on my newest 2x bike with an NOS SunTour Superbe
> Pro from the mid '80s. Fit and worked better than all of the current FDs
> from three makers.
>
> When I see the size of those cassettes and necessity for expensive
> materials to keep their weight appropriate, RDs requiring clutches and
> reduced compatibility of shifters, it rekindles the thought that my 2x road
> drivetrains are pretty good. They are simple, elegant and yet
> sophisticated, durable and light. Above all I am not perplexed by their
> operation, adjustment or maintenance. i'm not going change what works for
> me, the struggle to reach that point had many lessons both near and far
> from home or a sag call.
>
> What seems simple (1x) sometimes comes with great complexity once details
> start being ironed out. I'm not a fan of the complete component group
> drivetrain sales to volume manufacturers targeting new or newer cyclists
> being the driving standard. They are telling the experienced cyclist that
> they don't matter to them.
>
> Shimano sales were down 17% in 2022, forecast to be down 22% in 2023.
> How's that model working out for them? CUES is their response. Hope they
> start considering the dedicated,, experienced cyclists a bit more.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 1:04:45 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I had a nice 1x and wanted slightly lower gears for some crazy hills
>> around here, but didn't want to lose the already relatively low top end so
>> mashed some parts together and this is the result.
>>
>> Starting point: SRAM Rival 1 (with clutch) rear derailer, I believe the
>> largest cog this is supposed to handle is 42t. I added a Garbaruk cage and
>> pulleys and it shifts a SunRace 11-50 11-spd cassette with a SRAM Apex
>> trigger shifter. The front is a Sugino XD crank with 34t chainring.
>>
>> Ok what happens if I want double rings? The manufacturer stuff says I
>> can't use a 1x derailer (I don't know why) so I thought I would cheat a
>> little and make it kind of two 1x's by adding a 30t inner ring, Shimano
>> Deore (DynaSys 10-spd double) FD and a Silver2 thumbshifter on the stem. It
>> works!
>>
>> Ok it doesn't work completely fabulously yet, the downshift to the small
>> ring doesn't always take and I still have some fiddling to do but overall
>> the bike works well for me using all of the gears in the 30t plus grabbing
>> the top 2 or 3 in the 34t on occasion, and sometimes just staying in the
>> 34t like before. It's not a massive increase in gear range, I think of it
>> as an expanded 1x.
>>
>> Does it make sense? I don't know, maybe this can be duplicated by ye old
>> triple drivetrains with 11-36 cassettes but I don't like triples. I like
>> this!
>>
>> Joe "tried to ditch front derailers, ended up with a front derailer
>> again" Bernard
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20230429_211431.jpg][image:
>> Screenshot_20230429_211411.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson Zingo adjustable lockring wrench for **$7.00**??

[Eric Daume]

Agree with Garth. I bought one, and I'd say $7 is about the right price.

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 4:48 AM Garth  wrote:

> This reminds of Shawshank Redemption movie where Andy asks Red to get him
> a rock hammer that sells for (at the time) . $7.
>
> When Red inquires as to how Andy is going to use it, he replies "you'll
> understand when you see the rock hammer".
>
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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy info request

[Eric Daume]

The YG was a Betty with as manlier name, but the Cheviot was a completely
different model… one of the first long chainstay Rivs.

Eric

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023, Pam Bikes  wrote:

> Betty's were made in different sizes in different years.  And in the later
> years some were Yves Gomez and some were Cheviot.  What other questions do
> you have?
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:23:41 PM UTC-4 womba...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me what years the Betty Foy was produced? I think 2009
>> was the first year?
>>
>> Also, were they all made in Taiwan?
>>
>> Thanks! Ann
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Re: [RBW] Roadini 1000 mile review

[Eric Daume]

Hi John,

I’m 6’3”, 180 pounds, and briefly had a 61cm Roadini. It has some weird
tapering to the tubes, but I think it was basically double OS on that size.
Maybe 28.6 tapering to 31.8 or something. It felt stiff and not
particularly responsive to me. It’s not like an old vintage road bike with
a 25.4mm top tube.

My ‘84 Trek rides better, but doesn’t have the tire clearance or long
wheelbase of the Roadini.

Eric

On Friday, May 19, 2023, John Bokman  wrote:

> Piaw, thanks for the comments and pictures! Looks like you're having loads
> of fun.
>
> I would likely be running  downtube shifters and a 2x with a long cage
> derailieur to get my low gears. You must be running, what,  an 11x50? I'm
> sorry for the redundant question if it's listed on the website,  but are
> these oversized tubes? They look to be 28.6cm at least? Yet you still feel
> it is a compliant frame? (No judgement, just trying to decipher.)
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 5:35:17 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here are some pictures of my Roadini: https://www.amazon.
>> com/photos/shared/XO7eDWt_RaCyVFynaZsftA.vhwY43mas9VqIf5gM0Swqo
>>
>> The bike as pictured weighs 24 pounds. It was 21 pounds with no toolbag
>> and lighter wheels and 30mm tires. It's possible to get lighter steel (or
>> titanium) bikes, but then the costs go up dramatically as you're likely to
>> have to go custom with correspondingly high wait times.
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:26 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the review! As a daily drop-bar Sam rider, I'm well
>>> accustomed to the Rivendell ride. It's been a great bike for my uses:
>>> commuting, heavy loading. But, as a light (155# @ 6 foot tall), spinner,  I
>>> wish for a bike that is lighter, less stiff, and more flexible to ride when
>>> I want to charge hills and generally explore at speed on day rides. I am
>>> interested in this frame for these reasons. But I hesitate because I'm not
>>> sure of the tubing specs. I don't want it to be too much bike for me! Sam
>>> is less than ideal on the rides I imagine doing on the Roadini.
>>>
>>> I'd love to see some photos of your machine if you have any available.
>>>
>>> John
>>> Portland, OR
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:04:16 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Max tire width according to Rivendell is 42mm. I don't like to push it
 that close, so I think in practice I won't run anything more than 38mm
 actual width. I have no TCO on the Roadini. The TCO exists on my custom
 touring bike, which has a geometry copied from the 1993 Bridgestone RB-1
 with a longer chainstay and lower BB.

 On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:55 AM Ian A  wrote:

> Piaw,
>
> Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide
> tires and I would be curious to know what the maximum tire widths with and
> without fenders are?
>
> Your review in the final paragraph draws reference to toe-clip overlap
> (TCO) and I was wondering if you could expand on that. Do you experience
> TCO on the Roadini?  I wasn't quite sure if you were referencing the
> Roadini or an idea for a custom in this snippet of the review "  It
> gets rid of the toe clip overlap (which doesn't bother me but now that I
> know how to solve it without making a bike handle badly".
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've now ridden my Roadini for 1000 miles, and I wrote my review:
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html
>>
>> I think I'm agreeing with the folks who say that gravel bikes are
>> simply 1990s style mountain bikes with 700c wheels and 1x drivetrains.
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Roly Poly Tires

[Eric Daume]

I thought the Ruffy Tuffys also had some kind of flat prevention
anti-puncture strip or casing built into them.

Eric

On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 12:13 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> More rubber at the center track to reduce flatting, thereby a little
> heavier.
>
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:06:28 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> I was going to ask what the difference is.
>>
>> –Eric N
>>
>>
>> > On May 20, 2023, at 6:02 PM, mikel...@juno.com wrote:
>> >
>> > those are ruffy tuffy not roly poly..i seem to recall a difference
>> >
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Re: [RBW] 3-speeding Quickbeams and SimpleOnes

[Eric Daume]

Does this work?

https://handsomecycles.com/products/700c-silver-rear-wheel-sturmey-archer-s-rf3-3-speed-internal-handbuilt

Eric

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:

>
> I’ve seen the charts/catalogs listing 116-120mm OLD Sturmey Archer IGHs,
> but haven’t found one IRL. Soma Fab Shop listed hubs and complete IGH
> (IGGY) wheels, but they’ve been OOS forever, and by email earlier this
> year, they told me that was likely to remain the case for the future.
> Meanwhile, I keep looking and hoping. If anyone finds a hub and isn’t
> snagging it for themselves, I’d appreciate a tip😉
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-4 J L wrote:
>
>> Strumy Archer makes a 120 OLD version of their X-RF8 8 speed internal
>> hub. It is a modern style hub with a rotary switch rather than the chain
>> actuated gear shift.
>>
>> On Jun 20, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:
>>
>> I don’t know what the rear spacing is on the Quickbeams and Simple One,
>> but my Frank Jones Sr has 120mm track dropouts. Finding a modern
>> manufacture IGH with 120mm OLD has been a lost cause for me (and I build my
>> own wheels). I’m sure if I pored over the possibles long and diligently
>> enough, I’d run across one or a vintage AW, but it simply becomes easier to
>> hop on another bike when I need the gears. I’d like to build a 3 spd wheel
>> for my FJ, though.
>>
>>
>> One clear advantage of IGH over other multi-gear options on single speed
>> bikes that I haven’t seen mentioned is the ease of riding with “good”
>> fenders. I’ve tried using a flip-flop on my FJ with full coverage, aluminum
>> fenders, and it’s not only a pita to do on the road (as well as
>> time-consuming), but the rear fender could never be set up to fit properly
>> to my standards. An IGH would make that a non-issue, at least until there’s
>> a flat. Removing wheels from bikes rigged with chain tensioners on track
>> dropouts “in the wild” for flats or other maintenance presents yet another
>> nest of problems, with or without fenders. Overall, I’d be happier with a
>> nice IGH. I could even get down to one bike 😝
>>
>> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 2:30:13 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> In defense of the old 3 speed igh, the drag, at least for the old SA AW,
>>> has been tested at considerably less than that of much more complex,
>>> multi-epicycle internal gear trains with 7+ gears, and my experience
>>> (considerable with 2 and 3 speed SA hubs, only a little, but some with
>>> modern 7+ gear hubs) bears this out very clearly.
>>>
>>> IMO, the simplicity and low drag (and lower weight) of the simpler
>>> multigear hubs makes them preferable, at least to me, to the more complex,
>>> draggier, and heavier ones.
>>>
>>> I have a QR 17/19 Dingle wheel on my Riv 1999 fixed gear road custom and
>>> switching from the 76" to a 68" headwind gear is very easy, but I noticed
>>> that I downshifted much more often and readily with the 2 speed TC hub (76"
>>> direct and 66" underdrive), helpful when your direction into the wind or
>>> the slope of the terrain changes often. My point is not that you ("all
>>> y'all") should go get a TC -- last made in the 1940s? Mine is 1937 -- but
>>> that igh's do offer some benefits over manual "get off the bike and move
>>> the chain" shifting.
>>>
>>> Personally, I perfer the external simplicity of a simple igh over
>>> multiple cogs or rings, and I prefer multiple cogs over multiple rings,
>>> again for simplicity and ease of use. AAYMMAWV.
>>>
>>> I get back to that downgeared AW Schwinn: 69", 52", 39" which for a
>>> $50-total-expenditure beater including new 36 t chainring + shop
>>> labor (1989) proved to be very versatile indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 10:32 AM Drew Saunders 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My orange Quickbeam came set up as a "2 speed" with 32-40-chainguard
 chainrings on a 74/110 triple (still has those) plus an 18t freewheel.
 I immediately made it a "3 speed" with a 17/19 Dos Eno freewheel. The
 chain is too slack for the 32/17 to work, so only 3 options: 40/17 (99% of
 my riding), 40/19, 32/19.
 I later added a 22T freewheel to the flip side of the flip/flop hub,
 which will work with the 32, but not the 40, so I have an extremely
 inconvenient 4-speed.

 I rarely take it out of the 40/17, but the headwinds this morning made
 me wonder if I should have used the 40/19.

 All of that was much cheaper and easier than getting an internally
 geared hub, and if I did go for an IGH, I'd get a modern 7 or 8 speed
 anyway.

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Re: [RBW] Internal rim width

[Eric Daume]

I would have zero concerns with that combo.

Eric

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024, dylan green  wrote:

> Hi -
>
> I'm considering getting some big Fleecer Ridge tires on my velocity dyads.
> RH has a suggested rim width of 19mm, but the dyads measure 18.6. Anyone
> have experience with this? I'm assuming I'll be OK - but you know what they
> say about that. Not sure if it matters, but I'll be running them with
> tubes.
>
> thanks,
> d
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Eric Daume]

I agree on this. I love single speeds, and the 3x1 flexibility looks fun,
and the 61.5m profile looks just right for me, but those long reach brakes
are a deal breaker for me. I've built bikes with them in the past, and
their stopping power in the wet is inadequate for me. Maybe the Riv guys
never ride across a section of wet grass and then need to stop for a road
crossing, but I have, and had some scares with these brakes.

Eric
in Plain City, OH, wondering how they use those brakes in hills

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 5:50 PM Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
martinpgie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I
> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself.
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[Eric Daume]

Do the Microshift shifters have that soft detent feel in friction mode?
RIvendell used to spec something like this on the Clem. It wasn't a very
good shifter, at least in friction mode.

Eric

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 10:43 PM Michael Baquerizo 
wrote:

> others mileage may vary, but i recently started using a set of microshift
> thumbies on a new to me bike.
>
> i also have shimano on another bike (as you have) and silver! on another.
> all set up friction.
>
> of the three, the microshift has felt the best.
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/124833117848?epid=9024683600&itmmeta=01J1V7F30B9KENRB255JF84DAW&hash=item1d10a23698:g:X2EAAOSwk8pmO9yC&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJ4NcfUZomssn1t7VI%2Fpf%2BBKOv24CsVKs3Fj%2FzcrSCP3qzd2wrvDOpTNYN4ZDRwgW1oCvrMn7UYZ%2FNJWI2Sq8Hoe6IUuCa5s1b3mxiqab38P7ZICw30vNdRH%2FpGEKJbFfYPVfModc%2Fztu9pUge5ErDdmyqFKcAZa4e3D3cbUm%2Flyewy4IFcgSZ%2F8WjV%2Bw1M6Zit%2Bb61dPHzd1spElNNX6ubNhEPf2ZWqfNmA5xAohvxNwAd%2Fj91TZe1fM7JApHtpIHj9fac7AY5e1B2CYWtS1Q4PvTZJSnxbr88vUvZg5jH45p%7Ctkp%3ABFBMjrG8545k
>
> at their price, it would be cheaper to just get a set of them, and retire
> your shimano, or switch those to another bike (if necessary) or just parts
> bin them.
>
> not what you asked, but owning paul thumb mounts, i would rather just buy
> these. they look pretty too.
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:43:21 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> What a great group. Sally, love the purple and the Platy. I have a Platy
>> too.
>>
>> Thanks for the note on the Riv mounts. I’ll ask bike shop to look at them
>> too.
>>
>> Yes, I’m just looking to move the placement not change the friction
>> shifting.
>>
>> I’ll be retiring soon and have been wanting to do this for a while.   I
>> might as well do it now.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:24:11 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the Paul thing is just the pod to which your mount the shifter. It
>>> doesn’t include the actual shift mechanism. I swapped the pod on my Uno
>>> shifter and it was easy but I had to modify it a bit to make it work. I
>>> think you’re looking for a part that you can have mounted at a bike shop.
>>> I’m unaware of a pod other than the Paul component pod. They make great
>>> stuff if you can stomach the price. If not, I’d go with something like this:
>>>
>>> https://www.microshift.com/us/models/sl-t09/
>>>
>>> Can you post a photo of your shifters?
>>>
>>> If you have the Rivendell silver shifters, Rivendell sells a bar mount
>>> conversion
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk
>>>
>>>
>>> Send a pic and I’ll be able to give you a better idea.
>>>
>>> Unless they’re Dura Ace thumb shifters, it’s probably not with spending
>>> that much to mount them to the bars versus just replacing the whole
>>> shifter.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:25 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
 Dross,

 Thanks for the speedie reply.

 8 speed? 9?  Dunno.  I'm not looking to replace the shifters, just move
 them to a thumbie mount.  Do you think they meant replacing the shifters?
 This is the web page they sent me:
 https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/
 Would moving the shifters to a thumbie mount change their fantastic and
 smooth as butta' shifting?

 I'm sorta like Leah, bicycle bell ding ding...  I just like to get on
 and ride. I know to pump air in my tires and lube the chain.   I just know
 I don't like the placement of the current shifter.

 Roberta

 On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 7:08:07 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:

> What speed are you running? The problem with the Paul mount is that
> you can get a new shifter for less money. I have one of the blingy Uno
> shifters but I also have two bikes with Microshift and it works just as
> well. There isn’t too much you can do to engineer a significantly better
> friction shifter which is one of the great things about friction shifters.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that
>> work fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because 
>> of
>> me knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned 
>> on
>> a wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone 
>> Bikes,
>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that 
>> the
>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie
>> 
>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent
>> is
>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both 
>> shifters
>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>
>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some
>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, su

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[Eric Daume]

26” wheels will have a longer head tube, plus I think the Riv mtb frame did
have a bit of top tube slope.

Eric

On Saturday, July 6, 2024, George Schick  wrote:

> I'm puzzled by the posted frame size for this bike.  For a bike with a 19"
> seat tube I would expect to see a much shorter head tube.  Unless it just
> has a top tube with a lot of slope.  It's hard to tell from that photo
> because the picture was take with the bike on a downward slant.
>
>
> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:
>
>> I am offering for sale, my Rivendell, prototype mountain bike. I do not
>> know a lot of history about this frame. I believe that it was one of only a
>> few prototypes of a mountain bike format made by Rivendell. I have owned
>> this bike for many years and have never run into anyone else who owns one.
>> I am not sure when it was made, although some posts I have looked at
>> suggest that Rivendell was planning a mountain bike somewhere around 1995.
>> I purchased this frame from a BOB, built it up and rode it once before
>> hanging it in my office shop along side of my Atlantis and my Rambouillet,
>> both of which are also for sale.  I am approaching 71 years of age, and it
>> is time to clean out the stable.
>>
>>
>> This bicycle has a frame that is 49cm from center to the top of the seat
>> tube or 19”. I’m not up on mountain bike sizing, but I am 5’9” and I think
>> it fits me fine. This Bicycle has White Industries hubs attached to 26 inch
>> Velocity Aeroheat AT  rims, a Shimano Deore Mega 9 front derailleur, and
>> Shimano Deore rear derailleur, cool unidentified handlebar, and Nitto
>> Technomic stem. It also has Dura Ace brake levers and Suntour XC Pro
>> cantilever  brakes. The rack pictured goes with the bike. Stamped into the
>> bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. The saddle and pedals are not
>> included and  I will probably keep the Baggins bag. I am not sure if  the
>> seat post is a Nitto or not. The crank is a Suntour XC Pro triple,
>> 42x32x20.  Shifters are Silver Bar ends. This bicycle is beautiful, but not
>> new.  It has some nicks and scrapes especially around the chain area.  Some
>> can be touched up, a couple would only be repairable with a repaint.  I
>> have included a picture of the worst.  I call them beausage.
>>
>>
>> This bicycle will be packed by my wonderful friends at the Bike Shed in
>> Kearney, Nebraska and shipped via bike flights. I will be happy to subtract
>> $200 from my price if you would like to road trip it to my home or near my
>> home near Elwood, Nebraska to pick it up.
>>
>>
>> Price:  $1850.00 shipped to you in the CONUS.
>>
>>
>> Should you be interested, I will be happy to supply you with further
>> pictures of your choosing.[image: IMG_2403.jpeg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Your Riv's Next Upgades / Parts Swaps

[Eric Daume]

Or you could ride the good tires now and enjoy life. With any luck, the
sidewalls on the Fatty Rumpkins might degrade into an unridable state by
the time you get down to them.

Eric
Who deals with excess tires by selling them on bikes.

On Sunday, July 14, 2024, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The only thing I have going right now that is close to that is tires.
> I've got way WAY too many tires, and I refuse to sell used tires, and I
> refuse to throw away tires that have any life at all left in them.  -BUT- I
> love it when I use up a tire and am able to discard it.  I call that weird
> combination of neuroses "Minimalist Pack Rat". Anyway, part of my drive to
> reduce my huge inventory is to get rid of the worst tires, which means I'm
> trying to ride my worst tires the most.  Like the 650B Crust I rode today
> has a pair of Fatty Rumpkins on it.  I'd rather run Babyshoe Pass tires on
> that bike, but I'm not allowing that until I wear out some other tires.
> Tires these days last forever, though.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 12:52:11 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> When building up a bike sometimes you make do with what you have on hand
>> already, or is readily available, or affordable.  Though in the back of
>> your mind you've already identified a replacement.
>>
>> I'm curious as to what parts on your current builds have you slotted for
>> eventual replacement at some time in the future?  What will you be
>> replacing it with?  Any dream parts in there, or just more functional or
>> comfortable choices?
>>
>> On my Roadini I'm really happy with the touch-points: saddle and seat
>> post, bars and tape, pedals; one of my wheel sets (with the 43mm tires);
>> the cages; brake levers, callipers, and DT shifters. The chain and cassette
>> are fine--and I want to stick with 11sp--but the crank and derailleurs are
>> on my list of upgrades/swaps (partially for aesthetics...would like silver,
>> partially for function as I would like a bit more great range on the low
>> end).  I would also like to replace the second wheel set that I use with
>> 30mm tires for road-only rides (to something lighter/faster).  I would also
>> change the housing (aesthetics, maybe green or grey), and the saddle bag.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Horses and Donkeys

[Eric Daume]

Sorry all, burro is already claimed for bikes. Here's an example I found:

https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1300949

Somehow, those fat 20" wheels don't look so odd anymore.

Eric

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 11:44 AM Mike Rossi  wrote:

> I believe donkey and burro are the same animal. But, I like to think that
> a mule has better teeth as a fellow I know always greets me with, “there’s
> Smiley, grinning like a mule eating briars”.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2024, at 10:56 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I think of burro as a small donkey, and I think of both of them being
> smarter, and more cautious than horses.  They are definitely cute.  Burros
> in particular can pull off a hat/bandanna ensemble that would knock your
> socks off.  IMO
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:50:57 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Is a burro prettier? Better teeth, perhaps? Donkey teeth is an insult,
>> probably.  I can be a burro.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> You've got more of a burro vibe, in my view of the universe.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just got back from northern Michigan’s Ride Around Torch Lake. Best
>>> tour I’ve done yet. So fun. So many riders. But again, back to square one
>>> with the prejudice when the hordes of stereotypical roadies see me on the
>>> tour. I giggled with my sister about some of it on the phone today.
>>>
>>>
>>> My sister said, I always think you’re riding a donkey. You have a
>>> donkey. Everyone is riding a horse and Leah brought a donkey! Donkeys are
>>> so powerful and you can saddle them with an incredible amount of weight.
>>> When you charge up hills, pull liters and liters of water out of your bag
>>> AND a change of clothes you know everyone with a horse is looking at you
>>> like you’re a loon. They are carrying one little bottle to keep their
>>> horses light and you’ve packed down your donkey. Everyone underestimates
>>> the donkey. I’m going to change your name in my phone to Donkey.
>>>
>>>
>>> There was one other donkey on the ride. I’ll send pics of both in the
>>> next post.
>>>
>>>
>>> Who else loves their donkey?!
>>>
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Nine is fine! 1x9 drivetrains in 2024. Who else is doing it?

[Eric Daume]

If you like nine, Box has entire drivetrains on sale for about $70:

https://boxcomponents.com/products/box-three-p9-wide-multi-shift-groupset

I picked one up for some indeterminate future project.

Eric

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 3:04 PM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it was Bike Snob NYC who said that a lot of the fun of riding a
> Rivendell is combining components that aren't meant to go together and
> seeing if they work. On my Rivendell I have a 1x9 drivetrain. I use a SRAM
> GX 10 speed clutch derailleur, Silver 1 shifter on a thumbie, a narrow-wide
> Wolftooth chainring, a 9 speed Connex chain, and a 34 toothed 9 speed
> cassette. It all works great.
>
> I was wondering what other 1x9 drivetrains people here are using, and if
> anyone has experience with any new 1x9 systems. Microshift, Shimano CUES,
> and Box components are all new options within the last few years. I'm also
> considering a SRAM GX Eagle crankset on my bike. Has anyone tried this with
> a 1x9?
>
> I am also interested in any high-end 9 speed cassettes (like SRAM's PG990,
> with an aluminum spider). Anyone holding a NOS one? SRAM has 10 speed
> cassettes that are very high end still available, and I might switch to one
> of those because of availability.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Eric Daume]

I think I would try this experiment with a really cheap rear
derailleur from the co-op, not a Paul Melvin. But that's just me.

Eric

On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 11:18 AM Mark V  wrote:

> Hi Bill -
> My S-A 2sp does not have a coaster bake. So:  Rim Brakes 4ever!  (both
> front and rear)
> I'm using a Paul Melvinator (high zoot!). I read - either at the Paul Comp
> website or Rivendell - it can accommodate 20t difference for the
> chainrings.
>
> How the tensioner interacts with the kick back mechanism will be a bit of
> a SheldonBrown style experiment. I get your point - there's going to be
> some kind of finickiness between the chain tensioner and the force to shift
> when back pedaling.
> I'll have to start a thread on if it works or not. Maybe grab different
> deraiilleurs and set up a Design of Experiments!
>
> I'm expecting fun - as soon as UPS gets it to me I missed the delivery
> this AM, as they moved the time up by more than 2 hours. :|
> Mark V.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 7:29:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "and (just noticed)  3 x 6  in the Flickr pages?"
>>
>> My RoadUno is 2x7.  It's the stock 38/26 in front, and 12-28 in back
>>
>> "I'm probably going to use a 2spd kick back hub (yes, they are heavy)
>> with a 3 ring set up."
>>
>> How will that work?  If you run a 3-ring setup with a front derailleur
>> you'll need a tensioner of some kind.  If you run a 2 speed kickback hub
>> you'll need to NOT run a tensioner of any kind.
>> Will it be a 2-speed kickback setup with no tensioner, and you can
>> manually move the wheel to accommodate one of the three rings?  If you do
>> that, then you need new rear brake setup for each wheel position.  Will it
>> be front brake only?
>>
>> Have fun with it, whatever you do.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-7 mvie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've got an Ana Purple RoadUno showing up tomorrow, Friday.  (first bike
>>> purchase from Rivendell...)
>>> I'm temporarily on weight lifting restrictions (thanks, cataract!), so
>>> I've recruited my son to lend me a hand. Maybe I lend him a beer or
>>> something...
>>>
>>> As far as going fixed, I saw that the RoadUno page (one of them, can't
>>> recall which) recommends against doing so, as the bottom bracket drop is
>>> relatively low (80mm drop?) .
>>>
>>> Thanks for the early build pics and tips. -- and (just noticed)  3 x 6
>>> in the Flickr pages?   I'm probably going to use a 2spd kick back hub (yes,
>>> they are heavy) with a 3 ring set up.
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Keith

 What exactly are you after?  Are you looking to build a Roaduno fixed
 with zero brakes and need to know max fenderless tire size you can run on
 your fixie?  Are you plotting a cantilever conversion on a Roaduno?  Do you
 have a particular tire size that you must have, or is it just you need to
 know the absolute largest tire that will fit without fenders.  Have you
 asked Rivendell to do these measurements for you?  If you are in market to
 buy a frame and since they have lots of frames, maybe that's their job?

 I will be taking some Garage Door photos for Will, so he can put my
 build in the Riv email newsletter.  At that time, I'll try to capture what
 you may be after.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 11:03:50 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Beautiful, Bill.  I suspect you'll be responsible for a number of new
> Roaduno sales in the near future, as people see your bike.
>
> When you have time, would you mind sharing some close-up pictures of
> tire clearances at the chain stays, seat stay brake bridge bridge and fork
> crown areas?   You build too quickly.  What I've really been dying to know
> is how big of a tire can be fit WITHOUT caliper brakes installed.  (I've
> been half-heartedly toying with a couple of alternative brake ideas since
> the Roaduno project shifted from a canti-clem to a caliper-homer format.)
> I dont expect you to disassmle or try different tires but, for anyone else
> reading this and getting ready to start their own build, I'd appreciate 
> any
> insights if it's convenient.
>
> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 9:32:35 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Good initial instruction, good tools, and lots of practice.  That's
>> my formula for developing that confidence and mechanics' instinct.  I 
>> think
>> most procedures really sink in after you fail one or more times, but
>> failing at this operation on a new frame would be a bummer.  If you are
>> nervous, have a pro do it.  If you want the practice, find a pro that 
>> will
>> oversee you doing it.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 8:12:56 AM UTC-7 Michael Connors
>>

Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Eric Daume]

Riv is concerned the bottom bracket drop (80mm IIRC) is too low for a fixed
gear—pedal strike concern.

I would run it fixed without hesitation.

Eric

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I learn more about Riv from Bike Snob than from their website, tho' that
> would easily be fixed if Grant posted more often.
>
> Weiss has devoted a large part of several recent posts to his new Roaduno.
> He mentioned these suggestions, from Rivendell, today.
>
> First, "don't use your Roaduno as a fixed gear:"
> [image: image.png]
> Second, in the catalogue description of the Mark's Rack:
>
> ALWAYS use this rack with a tether between the tall tongue-loop and the
> handlebar. It's a strong little rack, but people do dumb things, and the
> tether is a safety measure. Make the tether out of cord or any adjustable
> strap.
>
> I'm puzzled: first, why not use the Roaduno as a fixed gear or with a flip
> flop hub?
>
> Second, I guess this is just extreme legal self-protection against truly
> clueless idiots, but do you many users of the Mark's Rack use a strap? It
> seems to me that a well-designed and well-built rack used with common-sense
> caution should not need such a makeshift backup.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Eric Daume]

The dropouts might be proprietary, but they're functionally identical to
those on a 2003 Surly Karate Monkey... though I doubt Riv's have the Surly
name cast in.

Eric

On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 2:09 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> "Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use
> as the single speed signified by the name?"
>
> This is fascinating.  An individual implicitly shows an utter disregard
> for bicycles' apparent intended use by serially converting all possible
> platforms to fixies.  That individual doubles-down on that disregard by
> brainstorming a way to build a Clem as a fixie.  That same individual then
> makes a post explicitly stating that the only opinion about anything that
> matters is their own opinion.  And then, with extreme earnestness, argues
> that the NAME of a bicycle model pigeonholes the intended use for that
> bicycle.
>
> Can you please list the other bicycle models in the history of Earth that
> encode their specific intent in their name?  If that list is empty, then
> why is this the one bike in the history of Earth that is defined by your
> interpretation of its name?
>
> It has custom proprietary track ends that have a dedicated hanger for a
> tensioner.  I call that the intent that the build include a tensioner.  I
> am pretty sure it is the only production bike on earth with a dedicated
> single-purpose tensioner hanger.
> It is the only current production bike on earth (I'm pretty sure) with a
> solo left-side down tube shifter boss.  I call that the intent that the
> build include a left side shifter.
> The complete comes with a triple crank set with two chain rings.  I call
> that the intent that the build include two or three chain rings.
> The complete comes with a single freewheel (1, one, Uno).
> Grant's build is not a single speed.  Grant celebrates and encourages
> using a cool old freebie derailleur as your tensioner.  I call that the
> intent to run it as an Nx1, NxOne, NxUno.
>
> I think the primary intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and I think that is a
> genius format.  If I had to impart meaning on the name RoadUno, I guess I
> would say it's in reference to the single freewheel in back and the 120mm
> O.L.D.  I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge
> before the bike design was finished in its evolution.  That's why I call my
> RoadUno a RoDeuxNo.  Maybe I'll make decal mods on mine.
>
> I think people who want a fixie with a Rivendell head badge on it can
> absolutely get that by building their RoadUno as a fixie.  If that's what
> they decide to do, I hope they love it.   I think people who want a single
> speed A Homer Hilsen can absolutely get that by building up their RoadUno
> as a single speed.  If that's what they do, I hope they love it.  I think
> the clear PRIMARY intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and if Riv had gone
> ALL-IN on that primary intent, they would have gone with vertical
> dropouts.  I like the track ends.  I like how they look, and I like that
> they are proprietary.  I like that they look like a monster.  I like the
> rack eyelet they present.  I have a rear-hub workaround that will achieve
> the wheel removal ease of vertical dropouts, and will also enable a perfect
> fender treatment, which is the other benefit of vertical dropouts.  I think
> the track ends earn an ALTERNATIVE build option for those who don't want to
> go with the primary intent of the bike.  I get it that some people hate the
> look of a tensioner, or just dislike the existence of a tensioner.  I'm
> sure somebody is going to take their dremel tool to the hanger on their
> RoadUno, which they have every right to do.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 8:14:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell fixed
>> instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, if
>> you see what I (1) mean.
>>
>> I don't care if someone rides a Roaduno fixed or free or multispeed; my
>> question bears on facts and not morals. But if I got one, I'd certainly set
>> it up fixed, or perhaps fixed/free.
>>
>> Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use
>> as the single speed signified by the name?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> ... What are the reasons why you think any individual cyclist should or
>>> would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding a single speed with a
>>> freewheel?  I've got like 7 or 8 reasons why I would never set up my new
>>> RoadUno as a fixie*.  Do you have any reasons why I would or should set up
>>> my new RoadUno as a fixie?
>>>
>>
>>> *In fact, I'm so convinced in my thinking, that my mind is made up that
>>> the RoadUno should have come with vertical dropouts.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Eric Daume]

I don’t disapprove of the Roaduno, just its brakes.

I had a later 2009 KM, and ran it both geared and single speed. And from
what I’ve seen on Surly forums, that was very typical. It was a bike made
to be tinkered with, like most Surlys of that era.

What really confounds me about the Roaduno’s dropout is why Riv didn’t
angle it, like on the QB. That was a smart design that allows for easier
manual gear changes on a single speed.  I think people who do this are ever
more rare than people who ran their KMs both geared and single speed, but
it’s an appealing idea for me.

On Thursday, September 12, 2024, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Eric
>
> That's interesting.  I think you mean that as kind of a burn, because I'm
> pretty sure you disapprove of the RoadUno, which you are allowed to do. A
> few questions though:  Do you have any guess about what fraction of people
> set up their 2003 Surly Karate Monkeys as single speeds?  Do you think the
> 2003 Surly Karate Monkey was regarded as a single speed that incidentally
> had a hanger?  Or do you think it was regarded as a mountain bike, with a
> single speed option?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 2:56:06 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> The dropouts might be proprietary, but they're functionally identical to
>> those on a 2003 Surly Karate Monkey... though I doubt Riv's have the Surly
>> name cast in.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 2:09 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> "Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended
>>> use as the single speed signified by the name?"
>>>
>>> This is fascinating.  An individual implicitly shows an utter disregard
>>> for bicycles' apparent intended use by serially converting all possible
>>> platforms to fixies.  That individual doubles-down on that disregard by
>>> brainstorming a way to build a Clem as a fixie.  That same individual then
>>> makes a post explicitly stating that the only opinion about anything that
>>> matters is their own opinion.  And then, with extreme earnestness, argues
>>> that the NAME of a bicycle model pigeonholes the intended use for that
>>> bicycle.
>>>
>>> Can you please list the other bicycle models in the history of Earth
>>> that encode their specific intent in their name?  If that list is empty,
>>> then why is this the one bike in the history of Earth that is defined by
>>> your interpretation of its name?
>>>
>>> It has custom proprietary track ends that have a dedicated hanger for a
>>> tensioner.  I call that the intent that the build include a tensioner.  I
>>> am pretty sure it is the only production bike on earth with a dedicated
>>> single-purpose tensioner hanger.
>>> It is the only current production bike on earth (I'm pretty sure) with a
>>> solo left-side down tube shifter boss.  I call that the intent that the
>>> build include a left side shifter.
>>> The complete comes with a triple crank set with two chain rings.  I call
>>> that the intent that the build include two or three chain rings.
>>> The complete comes with a single freewheel (1, one, Uno).
>>> Grant's build is not a single speed.  Grant celebrates and encourages
>>> using a cool old freebie derailleur as your tensioner.  I call that the
>>> intent to run it as an Nx1, NxOne, NxUno.
>>>
>>> I think the primary intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and I think that is
>>> a genius format.  If I had to impart meaning on the name RoadUno, I guess I
>>> would say it's in reference to the single freewheel in back and the 120mm
>>> O.L.D.  I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge
>>> before the bike design was finished in its evolution.  That's why I call my
>>> RoadUno a RoDeuxNo.  Maybe I'll make decal mods on mine.
>>>
>>> I think people who want a fixie with a Rivendell head badge on it can
>>> absolutely get that by building their RoadUno as a fixie.  If that's what
>>> they decide to do, I hope they love it.   I think people who want a single
>>> speed A Homer Hilsen can absolutely get that by building up their RoadUno
>>> as a single speed.  If that's what they do, I hope they love it.  I think
>>> the clear PRIMARY intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and if Riv had gone
>>> ALL-IN on that primary intent, they would have gone with vertical
>>> dropouts.  I like the track ends.  I like how they look, and I like that
>>> they are proprietary.  I like t

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell children's bike

[Eric Daume]

Conventional wisdom says kids don't have enough hand strength for hand
brakes.

In fact, the CPSC requires kids bikes to have a coaster brake (they can't
be hand brake only).

Eric

On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 12:42 PM Nick Shoemaker 
wrote:

>
> I’m intrigued by this too, but a little puzzled by the coaster brake - can
> anyone fill me in on the logic of choosing that over hand brakes for a kids
> bike? My 4yo is riding a Woom 3 and I feel like the lack of a coaster brake
> has made for an easier transition on the type of riding available to us
> (easy singletrack, pump tracks, and greenways). I’m definitely onboard with
> a RivKid offering after seeing the inevitable latest “evolution” of Woom:
> $750, blacked-out, and be-disc’d…
>
> https://woom.com/en_US/explore-kids-bikes
> On Saturday, September 14, 2024 at 2:23:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was glad to see a new Blahg:
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/augus-blahg
>>
>> There otta be a law that Grant has to produce these at least twice
>> monthly -- it's my second-favorite bicycling screed after Bike Snob.
>>
>> I would have bought a child's bike, even at $900, particularly at the
>> 2010 dollar equivalent, for my daughter if Rivendell had made them when she
>> was a child.
>>
>> With very sloping top tube, a stem with long quill, and reachback bar you
>> could probably get 6 years growth of of the bike, say age 6 to 12. Before
>> that, kiddie bikes, after that, multigeared bikes or move on to the iPhone.
>>
>> After 3 kiddie 3- and 2-wheelers I bought my daughter an Electra Townie
>> 3i* with coaster brake and 3 speed Shimano hub for her 10th birthday; she
>> loved it and the even-slacker-than-Rivendell feet-forward geometry let me
>> at 5' 10 " ride it comfortably after raising the saddle. That was a well
>> designed bike -- well designed for its market.
>>
>> * That "i." One is gobsmacked (lovely word) by the absolute lack of
>> honest in marketing. This monicker was obviously meant (this was 2011) to
>> pull buyers' emotions to feelings  of
>> "internet/digital/modern/advanced/praiseworthy" and get them slavering to
>> hand over $$. But it was a well designed and well built bike for the demo
>> and price point.
>>
>> Does anyone know *who* is trying to legally ban coaster brakes, and what
>> their alternative is that they hope to sell in the place of coaster brakes?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/k-tizOwQhMA?t=186
>>
>> Patrick "Ho Hi, Ho Hi" in ABQ, NM
>>
>> --
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>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
>> services
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Analog Cycles: Free Tubeless Clinic on Instagram Live

[Eric Daume]

That true. My school age kids are all about tik tok.

Eric
Who skipped FB, and Instagram, and...

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> My daughter says that Instagram is for old people.
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:00 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> I think you better join IG if you don’t have it, Patrick Moore. All the
>> cool kids are doing it.
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Re: [RBW] Clem H + Xtracycle

[Eric Daume]

I think that’s longer than my tandem!

On Thursday, April 16, 2020, David B  wrote:

> Xtracycle is possible!
> https://www.instagram.com/p/B-0wCPDA_YV/
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 10:31:28 AM UTC-5, Bones wrote:
>>
>> Not sure if this has been discussed here or not, but I'd like to hear
>> people's thoughts on this. I spent all of last year carrying both of my
>> kids on my Appaloosa (one in front, one in back). They are getting too big
>> for that setup now. Though I can still handle the bike with ease, I think
>> 80lbs is a bit too much for the bike, and it is only going to get worse. So
>> my options, so far as I can see, are the following:
>>
>> 1) Get a bike trailer (Burley or Thule or whatnot)
>> 2) Big Dummy or Big Fat Dummy.
>> 3) Add an Xtracycle to my Clem H
>>
>> I like the idea of using the Clem the most because I really don't want to
>> bring another bike or trailer into the house if I can help it, and I really
>> like the Clem. So far it has been used as a trail bike, and with a few
>> small children around, that means it doesn't get used that often. And that
>> is a job my Appaloosa can easily fill. I have no experience with the
>> Xtracycle leap kit though, so any suggestions here would be greatly
>> appreciated!
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Re: [RBW] FS: sturdy wheelset, 61cm Roadini frame, Gravelking EXTs, Brooks C15, handlebar bag, etc.

[Eric Daume]

Hi Matt,

Can I get some pictures of the Roadini?

Thanks

Eric

On Monday, April 20, 2020, Matt Dreher <99m...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some riv-ish (like the frame, obviously), some not, but I still think it
> belongs here. Feel free to make an offer, particularly if you want to buy
> multiple things along with the frame. I've been trying to sell the thing
> but nobody's quite biting yet... pictures of everything on request.
> Shipping included.
>
>
>- 2x Gravelking EXT, 700x35 brownwall, very lightly used: $50 for the
>pair
>- Wheelset: 700c Alexrims G6000 on RS400 (Tiagra) hubs, 36-spoke front
>and rear, all-silver: $120
>- Brooks Cambium C15 carved, dark grey: $40
>- Fizik Antares FSX, chartreuse/purple test saddle: $30
>- Nitto B136 bars, 26.0 clamp, 40cm: $35
>- Campagnolo Nuovo Record derailleur, new Shimano pulleys, like-new
>condition: $40
>- Blackburn Wayside handlebar bag, used: $25
>- La Vie Claire "Mondrian" jersey replica from onlinecyclinggear.com,
>2XL, lightly used: $20
>- Rivendell Roadini frame/fork/headset/seatpost, 61cm, normal wear
>from a year's use but slightly crunchy headset: $500
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Re: [RBW] Fancy Cheviot!

[Eric Daume]

Awesome! I second Ray's name proposal.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 11:49 AM Ray Varella 
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> If they change the name, my vote would be for Deux Chevuit.
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Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Eric Daume]

The van stripes make sense if you’re an A Team fan!

At 175 pounds, I would run those tires about 40 psi, and fill them up when
I notice too much squirm in corners.

Eric

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> A Thing I'm Not Sure I Ought To Have Known and Definitely Still Don't:
>
> Why a lot of those '90s vans came with those graphics. Someone said,
> "Whelp, there's sure a lot of space there. A racing stripe makes sense." *
>
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Re: [RBW] Is the Clem a Hillibike?

[Eric Daume]

As a mountain biker and former Clem owner, the Clem wouldn’t be my first
choice to hang with my fast riding buddies on their full sus bikes.  It
doesn’t have the confidence inspiring feeling of my Jones LWB. For a
mellower group or solo ride, it would be ok. The Clem is going to attract
some attention as such an oddball bike, though.

Eric

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020, theenchantingwizardofrhythm 
wrote:

> Hi there - first time poster
> and coming at you from Tel Aviv, possibly(?) the only Riv owner this side
> of Mesopotamia...
>
> I got myself a 59 Clem H which I love oh so dearly
> My friends, equipped with hard-tail mountain-bikey-bikes, are going out
> for a couple day off-rode ride that includes some singletrack.
> They say I probably can't hang with the Clem.
>
> So what do you think?
> Should I go out confident that the silver steed will hold its own?
> or am I setting myself up for a world of pain and a bruised bike?
>
> Many thanks,
> gk
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