[RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[DavidP]

I recently came across this very detailed and helpful guide to installing 
metal fenders. I've installed 3-4 sets before this go but this guide gave 
me the best results yet:
https://somervillebikes.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/how-to-install-metal-fenders-part-i-achieving-a-proper-arc-radius/

-Dave

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 10:35:11 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Ted, have you looked at the fenders made by Berthoud? I recently called up 
> Peter White and ordered a set for my new Atlantis project. They're 
> stainless, and smooth, but more affordable than some of the other offerings 
> you mentioned above. The best thing however, I only had to drill one hole 
> to match up to my rear brake bridge mounting point. Everything else was 
> pre-drilled (the stays, the hole near the bottom bracket / chainstay 
> bridge, and the front fender crown). You still have to have some good 
> attention to detail to get good, clean fender lines... but having almost 
> all of your holes pre-drilled certainly takes almost all of the real stress 
> out of the equation.
>

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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[DavidP]

Max - maybe I'm misunderstanding your intent, but while the Paul site does 
suggest the Racers are designed for direct mounting (the center mount 
adapter plate is optional),  direct mount centerpulls can't be used on 
cantilever brake posts. For one the positioning for centerpull brake pivots 
and cantilever brake posts is different (centerpull pivots are above the 
rim, cantilever / v-brake posts are below the rim). These days there aren't 
too many non-custom frames that have centerpull brake mounts, it's more 
common to use centerpulls with a plate for central mounting like a standard 
road caliper brake.

-Dave

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 9:50:15 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Wow, thank you all for the overwhelming response and for sharing your 
> experience. I love the photos, keep 'em coming!
>
> Matt, thanks for the detail on the Tektros, I ordered a pair but also 
> decided to pull the trigger on Alex' Mafacs (thanks Alex!) to try out the 
> conversion.
>
> Here is what I'll try: 
> 1) New 700C RH tires - Bon Jon Pass in standard casings
> 2) Swap out Paul Racers Medium for MAFAC RAID and install 650b Wheels with 
> Loup Loup Pass tires or with Hetres (650x42) depending on what fits
>
> I'm not sure when, but I will get to it... I have too many half baked 
> projects at the moment, including my half-built Gallop on the stand right 
> now, a brakeless Wilbury that will lose its wheels soon and a MMM bubbe 
> with an Xtracycle that also needs a 650b conversion - I hope I can use the 
> Paul Racers directly on the canti posts, I'm not sure if the plate where 
> the bolt sits is removable.
>
> Thanks again to everyone and I'll report back.
>
> Max
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:33:13 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Careful with offset brake pad’s 
>> If tires are wide pad my rub on tire
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
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>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of Toshi Takeuchi 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:02:58 PM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt 
>>  
>> I concur with Evan.  I had a 54 cm 650b Ram with 54 mm Hetre/Baby Shoe 
>> Pass tires and SKS fenders.  It was as good as my custom bike, except for 
>> the toe overlap and dynamo wiring. I used thin profile V-brake style pads 
>> to get a little extra reach with the Tektro R559.  That strategy may be 
>> able to be combined with the offset brake-pad holders if needed.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 9:16 AM Evan E.  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alex, 
>>
>> Here for your reference is a photo of my Rambouillet with 650b wheels, 
>> Tektro R559 brakes, and Pari-Moto 650b x 42 tires. I used offset brake-pad 
>> holders on the rear caliper to get a tad more reach. If it turns out you 
>> need a bit more reach on your bike, let me know. I still have those offset 
>> brake-pad holders.
>>
>> Evan
>> San Francisco
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bedrock Mountain Clogs in Stock!

[DavidP]

Brent, Steve - appreciate the comparisons to Chacos in terms of arch 
support. I've been curious about Bedrocks but unsure about the footbed. As 
someone who manages plantar fasciitis by using SuperFeet insoles in most of 
my shoes, Chacos are comfortable for me to wear all day and I've come to 
really enjoy biking in them with or without socks. The standard soles are 
bit thick and chunky; the Volv soles are noticeably lighter and still work 
for me on the bike with good sized platform pedals.

Thanks,
-Dave
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 1:18:29 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I got a pair of the Nubuck in size 13 and they’re a little tight. I can 
> make them work, but would prefer to size up. They are unworn apart from 
> trying them on. Happy to move them along for the retail price of $175, plus 
> shipping.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 4:52:24 PM UTC-7 in...@brentknepper.com 
> wrote:
>
>> just trying mine on today and I too went up from a usual 10 to a 11. at 
>> first I was worried I there still wasn't enough room with my cute winter 
>> wool socks on, until I realized a separate layer of cardboard forms were 
>> still hiding inside, but all good once I realized my mistake :)
>>
>> I'm a big socks n chacs fan in the shoulder szns, and I will say the 
>> bedrock soles are hella flat in comparison to chacos's arch cradling 
>> technology. anyone else notice a similar arch-love disparity?
>>
>> -brent, with dry toes for once, in snowing-on-hallowe'en-chicago 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 4:47:51 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> I also sized up and feel happy with that decision. For reference I wear 
>>> a size 11 in the Bedrock Cairn sandal and selected the 12 in the Mountain 
>>> Clog. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:53:58 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>>
 I concur! I got mine over the weekend and went with a size 13, though I 
 usually wear size 11-12 in most shoes. I compared the length with the Size 
 11 Crocs that these are replacing and the size 13 Mountain Clogs were the 
 same length.

 On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:22:04 AM UTC-5 Joe A. wrote:

> I received mine and they are great. I can confirm that they run a 
> little smaller than I expected for those that are still considering 
> sizing. 
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 8:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I was so excited for the restock! I didn’t see the email before I 
>> took my daughter to school. In those 30 or so minutes, my size was sold 
>> out 
>> in the full leather. Hopefully I don’t have to wait another year for a 
>> 30 
>> minute window. 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:05:09 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> I had reached out to supporr, here is what they said:  Most folks 
>>> are wearing the *same size in the Clogs and the Cairns, however I 
>>> would say if you have a more snug fit in your sandals (not much wiggle 
>>> room), you may need to size up in the clogs. Hope this helps!*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 9:45:32 PM UTC-4 Teague Scott wrote:
>>>
 Wow these are cool. Thanks for getting them on my radar. Wondering 
 whether sizing runs true to their sandals...

 On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:29:47 PM UTC-6 Calvin Yolo wrote:

> I had the leather ones and just purchased the green suede as a 
> back up pair. I have a ton of miles walked in my first pair and I'll 
> probably have these in rotation for as long as they make them.
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:25:26 AM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
>
>> Hey Riv Fam,
>>
>> For any of those curious about these clogs they're finally back 
>> in stock. I snagged a pair of them in Nubuck Leather. Should be 
>> great for 
>> fall riding :)
>>
>> https://bedrocksandals.com/collections/bedrock-mountain-clogs
>>
>> Happy riding!
>>
>> - J
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[DavidP]

The Platypus is a shorter bike and will ride a bit zippier due to that. 
Leah comes to mind as one who has compared the ride between her Platypus 
and Clem but others may have shared experience as well.

In terms of weight - the Clem frame may be a bit heavier but I'd guess not 
by much. The builds will make a much more significant difference. Putting a 
lighter wheelset and tires (especially if it is running the stock Kenda 
Kwick7.5/Kwick9s) will make the biggest difference, but things like racks 
can add up too. 

My Platypus is over 30lbs but for my use (out my door, suburban, mixed 
surface riding) I don't mind, and happily choose it over 25lb bikes when it 
suits.

All that said, I'm not sure swapping a Clem for a Platy will gain you much 
in addressing the concerns of weight and maneuverability for a multi-modal 
commute.

-Dave

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 11:21:50 AM UTC-5 chungeu...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I bought a complete Clem L for my wife and she enjoyed riding it so far.
> However, she felt that it's a bit too much bike for her since she only 
> rides it on the pavement for the commute. She finds it too heavy when 
> storing it in a rack and bring it on the the commuting train.
> Since she still likes the step-through design, I wonder if swapping it 
> with the complete Platypus would solve her problem. Or, can we solve this 
> with lighter components (probably the wheelset and tires?) and some cockpit 
> setup to make it more zippy?
>
> Best,
> Chung
>

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Re: [RBW] It finally happened re: Clem stock tires

[DavidP]

Just echoing Garth's sentiments on some of the hefty Schwalbe tires:

I have the little Big Bens (700x38, true to size on ~18mm inner rims) on a 
single speed bike. Despite the tires weighing over 650g each I enjoy riding 
this bike both on and off pavement.

My townie/errand bike has Big Apple 26x2s (~45mm on ~21mm inner rims, 
690g). They are silent and super smooth, quite enjoyable on a townie.

Super Moto-X 27x.2.4s that weigh about 1000g on a bomber coaster brake 
bike; these are a blast on this bike. Silent and smooth on pavement 
(flywheel description is apt for these) and work well in the dirt. Of 
course I'm not trying to go anywhere fast on this bike.

-Dave
On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:03:51 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I can only add that Schwobble's Big Bens are also inherently very flat 
> resistant and quite fun despite their relative heft. I've ridden other 
> Kenda tires and it seems to me that they ride like hell even in lighter 
> weight folding varieties ! 
>  The Big Bens also rolls real easy, like a low resistance flywheel ;) 
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:42:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Kenda Qwick Bitumen here on my office bike.  They came on an Appaloosa, 
>> and now roll on a fixed gear Crust.  
>>
>> Your bike came with the Kendas, and you love your bike, and they 
>> practically never puncture?  APPROVE
>>
>> I acknowledge there are people who can't imagine riding tires as bad as 
>> the Kenda Quick whatevers.  I also acknowledge that there are people who 
>> would turn down an ice cold Corona on a hot day because they can't imagine 
>> drinking that swill.  I'll take a bike ride on Kenda Quick Bitumen over not 
>> riding, and I'd take a cold Corona over going thirsty.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 2:57:59 PM UTC-8 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> It is the Kenda QwickNine.  The beauty of these tires is that they don't 
>>> get flats in normal usage.
>>>
>>> I have other bikes that I run ReneHerse tires on.  But for what I use 
>>> Clem for, which is mixed terrain riding and commuting, they're great.  And 
>>> they're very forgiving about air pressure.  They ride fine down to about 
>>> 20psi, but you can inflate them to 50psi, or anything inbetween.  Or even 
>>> more if you like but the ride is more bumpy.
>>>
>>> Other bikes:  fill to whatever pressure causes the most optimal sidewall 
>>> deflection of 15% plus or minus 3 psi depending on usage and the alignment 
>>> of the stars, the planet's gravitational pull and canine flatulence along 
>>> my route of travel.
>>>
>>> Clem:  Tires have air?  Ok, let's ride.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> ATX
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 2:21 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 I absolutely hated the stock tires on the Clem (Kenda Kwik Nines at the 
 time). Maybe the worst feeling tire I’ve ever experienced. I can’t imagine 
 six years on those things!

 Eric

>>>
 On Wednesday, November 8, 2023, Jim Bronson  wrote:

>>> Well after 6 years of owning my Clem and riding it at least 1x weekly, 
> usually 4-5x weekly, I got a flat.
>
> I was doing my normal 3 mode commute, by car to the train station, by 
> train into town and by bike from the train station to the office.  Well I 
> rode my bike from the car to the train and was goofing off a bit and I 
> thought it was a seamless transition from the grass to the sidewalk in 
> the 
> pre dawn light, well, it was actually a large sharp edge that was about 
> 4-5" higher than the grass.  Thankfully didn't go down, the front wheel 
> rolled over it but I'm guessing I either got a pinch or just exploded the 
> tube internally.
>
> I hung the bike up on the train and got out my laptop and did normal 
> work laptop stuff while riding the 40 minutes down to the office.  Well 
> when I stood up to unrack my Clem the front tire was flat.  Well I've 
> never 
> had a flat on Clem before and although I had a spare tube, I did not have 
> a 
> pump or other method of inflation.  So I hike a bike'd the 2.5 miles to 
> the 
> office.
>
> I was able to buy a Schwalbe tube at the e-Bike store across the 
> street, albeit for a princely $18 for a SV19.  It's been holding air ever 
> since, so hopefully it will be another 6 years before I have another 
> flat.  
>
> Gratuitous bike pic:  Clem on the train on a different day.
>
> Jim
> ATX
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Re: [RBW] 2.25 Thunder Burt on a Platypus?

[DavidP]

Christian,

Did you damage a rim or are you switching to a dyno hub?

To me there seems to be not much difference between Atlas and Cliffhangers. 
Both are fairly hefty with the Cliffhangers being wider (25mm vs 20mm 
internal). For a Platy, the difference in rim width isn't going to make a 
big impact as all tires that will fit on a Platy will be fine on an Atlas.

My Platy has Cliffhangers and I sometimes think they are a bit overkill for 
the 50mm tires I am using but the ~55g weight difference of the Atlas rims 
isn't worth the switch. If I was using 42mm or smaller tires I'd definitely 
want a narrower rim (Atlas, Quill, Dyad, etc.).

Looking forward to seeing your made over Platypus.

-Dave





On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 2:37:14 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Also, not sure how I missed this, but Roman's 60cm Platypus on the Riv 
> Staff Bikes pages is sporting 2.25 Thunder Burts. Not sure what rims those 
> are mounted to, though, but they might be black Cliffhangers?  
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-60cm-platypus-86-5cm-pbh
>
> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 11:25:03 AM UTC-5 Lonnie wrote:
>
>> I love the 2.25 G-ones.  They work well on the neighborhood singletrack, 
>> but don't feel too slow on pavement.  But as I mentioned, they required 
>> swapping out the bottom bracket to keep the chain off the tire (when 
>> mounted on cliffhangers).  Had I known that would be the case, I would have 
>> gone with the 50mm gravel kings.  If I didn't already have cliffhangers, I 
>> might have gone with a slightly narrower rim.[image: Platy~.jpg]
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[DavidP]

I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; I end 
up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) and for 
these bikes I like it fine.

In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider range 
cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently ended up with a 2x9, 
42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for general use. The 
smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using front shifts 
only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't end up with a 
bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small ring lets you 
use a standard 110 double crank.

-Dave
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding with 
> big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. I 
> frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, so a wide gear 
> range with 24-34-44  or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 36-tooth large rear 
> sprocket works great for me. I'm a tinkerer but I don't mess with my front 
> ders. They're set it and forget it. I also love the way shiny triple cranks 
> look. I've never felt compelled to try a 1x from a functional or aesthetic 
> standpoint. 
>
> I agree with Johnny that much newfangled bike stuff and trends are driven 
> by product differentiation and marketing. Sometimes what was once virtue 
> becomes vice, sometimes what is old becomes new again. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes 
>> triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying around 
>> 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or 
>> steep hills. When home in central  New Hampshire many of my favorite roads 
>> are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a 15-18” gear.
>>
>> Steven Sweedler
>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd LHT. Maybe 
>>> even do that today, and replace the big ring with the Rivendell chainring 
>>> guard. 
>>>
>>> I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 inner: there 
>>> was a t-shirt from the 80s from a bike shop in Ketchum that read, "if you 
>>> ain't hikin', you ain't mountain bikin'". If it gets that low, I appreciate 
>>> the change in blood circulation by just walking those few minutes. 
>>>
>>> - Chris
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, 
>>> Woodstown NJ wrote:
>>>
 Bill L stated:   " If it were me, I'd experiment with a 42-tooth big 
 ring before going to a triple"

 Question to Bill:   Will a 42T large ring result in the FD hitting the 
 chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or 26T) ???

 PS  I agree with your comment on the 46-11 being a very high gear.

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Ben
>
> You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette.  If it were me, I'd 
> experiment with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple.  46x11 is 
> pretty darn high for a commuter/city bike.  Anything higher than a 4:1 in 
> my book is for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph.  That is a real 
> use-case in hilly areas, but not for me, and especially not for a 
> commuter/city bike.  That's just a suggestion.  The jump from 42 to 30 is 
> much less dramatic.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of 
>> L.A. My commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've 
>> been 
>> finding the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more 
>> dramatic 
>> than 50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll 
>> sift 
>> down at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid spinning out 
>> immediately. 
>> I sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in either direction to 
>> find 
>> the right gear.
>>
>> So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike is 1x, 
>> and it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup for rougher 
>> terrain. Also, I just don't like the idea of having duplicate bikes. I 
>> also 
>> romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which had an 11-27 9 speed 
>> with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, natural, and easy. But I 
>> didn't know then what I know now, and many times when I've set up a 
>> modern 
>> bike like this one from my past, I get quickly disillusioned and undo 
>> that 
>> change.
>>
>> I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun and 

[RBW] Re: If you plan to get a Roaduno..,

[DavidP]

Keep in mind the Roadunos are 120mm spacing. Any there any 5 or 7-speed 
coaster hubs that narrow?

-Dave

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:36:55 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> How about a 7-speed coaster brake?  I'm going to want to see the Roaduno, 
> but...
>
> I got this for my wife to use for shopping when we lived in Germany.
> 7-speed grip shift.  Front caliper brake.  The black box on the drive side 
> handles the shifting details.
> I’ve saved it for 20 years in case I want to do a coaster brake build, or 
> even clean this up to ride.
>  1. non-drive showing dropouts   2. drive side with shifting box  3. side 
> view 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mainstream press article pushing steel bike?

[DavidP]

I may have had a similar reaction when the article first came up in my feed 
but then I saw the byline.
This is Eben Weiss, BikeSnobNYC. He's a regular contributor to Outside but 
he is in no way a mainstream cyclist (more Riv/Bob-ish) and his articles 
stand out as a bit different to most of what shows up there. 

-Dave

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 3:13:21 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/theres-no-good-reason-to-buy-a-carbon-bike/?fbclid=IwAR2uIwBwz29AqiFhiVs5TTjdXw2HDNApUOMVh51foKzayEp1u_vB5UMltqU
>
> Never thought I'd see this.
>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[DavidP]

Hi Edwin, 

A few more I'm aware of:

Crust Florida Man - 130mm spacing, track ends, removable canti-posts, 
27.5x2.4 listed max so 55mm tires with a fender should be fine

Wabi Thunder - 120mm spacing, track ends, 700x44 (conservative?) max

Handsome Devil - 132.5mm spacing, semi-horizonal dropouts, 700x45ish max - 
mine has 38mm Gravel Kings with VO Zeppelin 52mm fenders but the tires 
measure smaller than stated size (~36mm). I'm using the Surly 130mm hub 
Bill mentioned on this bike to get a fixed gear option, but my other single 
speeds use single speed cogs and spacers on cassette hubs.

-Dave
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 5:16:12 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, 
> the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.
>
> I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622 
> wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are 
> the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever 
> type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.
>
> What is the competition, and what are they offering?
> Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. 
>
> BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm 
> rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.
>
> What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?
>
> Edwin
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[DavidP]

A recent Riv newsletter compared the 3x1 to an IGH, saying the 3x1 setup is 
similar but more mechanically transparent.

If you could setup a rear shifted 1x2 or 1x3 with 8-10t jumps between cogs 
that might be an interesting comparison. (The largest jump on a megarange 
freewheel is in this range.)

A question I keep coming back to is whether a 3x1 is more "efficient" than 
a 1x7/8/9 in terms of drivetrain complexity (mechanically and/or mentally).

Still, I like the idea of a front shifted 2x1 or 3x1 setup. If planning on 
such a setup I'd probably just get a Homer vs the Roaduno because I always 
end up wanting fenders on a bike like this and vertical dropouts make 
fenders so much easier. But I do see that the Roaduno with its 120mm rear 
spacing is a "more pure" implementation of the vision.

-Dave

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've always wondered what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going 
> to use derailleurs -- the 2X1 requires a FD and something like a RD while 
> the 1X2 requires only the rear one -- but for ss sans derailleur some 
> people say that front shifting is easier than rear shifting. Not for me, 
> though.
>
> Am eagerly awaiting the close ratio Silver Rivendell IGH (with proprietary 
> wingnuts).
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:51 AM Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
>> Bill said
>> >> I think the 2x1 or 3x1 concept around the Roaduno is brilliant. 
>>
>> ... A 2x1 would give me all the complexities of a rear derailleur, plus 
>> the poorer shifting of a front system.
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Updates/Upgrades

[DavidP]

A new bike or setup is the easy way to re-engage with riding - "I've done 
enough of (x) I want to try (y)  so I need a ." I have built lots of bikes because my tendency is to 
want to start with a new canvas and to not give up what I have. I also 
really enjoy the process of conceptualizing and building up a bike. Since 
there is no perfect bike I try to have a bike for everything I want to do, 
including variations which means I have bikes that end up being pretty 
similar in some respects but the stable on a whole covers a big range of 
riding.

That said I do also switch bikes up in attempt to stem the flow of new 
bikes into the garage while still having a build project. In the best cases 
changing a bike up can make a drastic difference, but usually it is 
improving on a bike I already like very much. 

In terms of rekindling engagement without changing equipment, I find it 
helps to take the focus off the bike and put it onto some experiential goal 
- riding new distances, exploring new routes and places (wandrer.earth is 
great motivation for this), and focusing on bike related activities (S24Os, 
coffee outside, etc.) can all help. To that end maybe Bill's 2024 goal 
thread 
 
would be helpful. 

And going full circle, if you want a new project then these things can help 
direct/justify it.

-Dave 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:04:24 PM UTC-5 drewfi...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey Owners Bunch Family,
>
> I'm wondering for those of you out there who ride multiple days a week(or 
> more), how often do you tinker with your setup to keep things interesting?
>
> I've recently given my Atlantis a bit of a makeover(rather than sell it as 
> I was feeling inclined to do), in an attempt to fall in love with it again. 
> This included new handlebars, adjusting my chainring sizes, and dropping my 
> rear rack/some extraneous accessories to go with a slightly more naked set 
> up. I've also got some new Soma Cazaderos coming as I've been riding more 
> trails lately. 
>
> What do y'all do to keep your rides feeling fun and engaging? If I'm not 
> in love with the way my Atlantis feels, will I ever be? Looking for some 
> spiritual guidance here, as I know many of you have had various Rivs 
> throughout the years and have all had your reasons for swapping/upgrading 
> setups and frames. 
>
> Thanks in advance for those of you inclined to go down the philosophical 
> rabbit hole with me! 
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[RBW] Re: New Platypus

[DavidP]

Great looking Platy, Tim. And I'm not just saying that because mine is 
setup similarly. :)
It does have a lovely ride quality to it - easy going yet zippy; ""cruisy 
zoomy".

-Dave

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 4:31:06 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Took advantage of the rare warm weather we are having to take my new 
> Platypus out. I purchased this 60cm Sergio's Green as a complete bike. At 
> first I thought I'd ride it complete as it was delivered right out of the 
> box. Although it was fine with the SunRace parts that came with bike I just 
> couldn't live with the aesthetic. I swapped a few parts to make it my own 
> and I now have it built the way I wanted it. 
>
> The Platypus is probably the nicest riding Rivendell I've ever owned. I'm 
> not very good at putting ride quality into words but it just feels sublime. 
> The combination of the laid back geometry and the chubby tires are bike 
> factors. I found that having more of my weight on the front end of the bike 
> by angling the bars down made a big difference. I also changed the stem to 
> a 135mm up from a 110mm. I am really happy with the bike and know that it 
> will serve me well through the years. 
>
> Here is what I swapped out to make it my own. 
>
> Nitto Billie Bars
> Shimano XTR M952 RD
> Shimano Deore DX FD
> Silver Triple Cranks. 44x34x24
> SunTour Power XC Power Ratchets
> Brooks B-17 Special
> Paul Love Levers
> Oury Grips
> Added SimsXNitto Obento Rack
> Wald 137
> 5th Season Squall Sack
>
> [image: 378813CC-FB63-412C-8A4F-CC94A83F5E88_1_105_c.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is getting a Platypus?

[DavidP]

Well, I just placed an order for a 60cm - my first Riv! Ordered 65cm Toscos 
with the frame and a Jim 13-34t cassette.

I have a bit of a head start on some of the other parts but am still 
working out some details for the build.

Excited to join the Platy bus! (Platy wagon?)

-Dave

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 2:03:57 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’m excited to hear how she likes it, Bill. It is a long and luxurious 
> creature; should feel very novel if she’s been riding her Yves. I hope she 
> rides the tires bald!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 21, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I just bought a 50cm for my wife.  She had a 52cm Yves Gomez which was a 
> hair big for her, and we wanted fatter tires.  I set up a Black Mountain La 
> Cabra for her and she likes it OK, but really prefers a step through.  I'm 
> going to set hers up with Rene Herse 48mm tires and she'll be in good 
> shape.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:53:24 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given up 
>> trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the water, 
>> heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of the 2020 
>> Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in minutes. 
>> Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>
>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen to 
>> know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability will 
>> have evened out by now. 
>>
>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Perfect tires for Clem?

[DavidP]

I'm thinking of a similar setup for my upcoming 700c Platy build but with a 
50mm rear (with tread similar to your Gravel King SS) and 55mm Fleecer 
Ridge up front. 

A Rose \ Mars combo would certainly be a step towards a more trail oriented 
setup. I've yet to find any written impressions of the Mars on pavement. 
The Mars remind me of Continental Race Kings, which I recently put front 
and rear on a bike and find decent enough on pavement but seem a bit 
noisier than the RH Juniper Ridge I have on the front of another bike. I'm 
happy with the Race Kings for mixed use and the Mars was on my short list 
for the Platypus - they just lean a bit more to the dirt/trail end of the 
spectrum, which may be perfect for your Clem.

I was waffling on trying to squeeze a pair of 2.25" Schwalbe Hurricanes on 
the Platypus - that one may work well on the Clem. It's wire bead but a 
decent weight; and I've seen several reports that it is silent on pavement. 
It should handle rougher terrain better than smaller tires and possibly 
have some cornering stability due to the side knobs. Still probably not a 
tire for hard corners on or off road. Definitely the other end of the 
spectrum in terms of tire technology/features/price from RH.

Honestly, I don't think any of us expect a multi-surface tire to rail down 
trails so it's matter of choosing degrees.

- Dave

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:35:51 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

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>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> The impossible question, right? And when I read Riv's intro to their 
> website tire offerings "we are not tire snobs" I almost feel guilty 
> obsessing over such things. "Just ride", right? I want the "do it all" set 
> of tires (aren't we all?). I have been quite happy with the Gravelking SS 
> 650 x 48 tires for all road / gravel and mild trail conditions. On a single 
> foray onto a truer singletrack they fell short in loose conditions and 
> sandy corners. So after exhaustive research I am considering a 
> Ultradynamica combo, Mars front / Rose' rear. Other contender  is Soma 
> Cazadero. Naturally RH Untanum are a consideration but lack of side knobs 
> are a concern. I had Fleecer Ridge tires on my Jones 29 and did not think 
> the noise cancellation thing lived up to the hype - they were rather noisy 
> on pavement especially compared to the Gravelkings. Speaking of the 
> Gravelking, check out these pics. I was on a ride recently and felt a 
> "lump" in the rear tire on pavement. It disappeared when the ride turned to 
> dirt but was there again when I returned to pavement. when I got home all I 
> could discern was a slightly raised football shaped bulge and it was worn 
> smooth. Upon removal I was stunned by the amount of structural damage and 
> the fact that I did not flat. I wonder if something like this qualifies as 
> a defect? I will add the pics in a comment momentarily... 
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[RBW] Re: Shimano Altus low range question

[DavidP]

In my experience you can usually expect to go a bit above stated max cog. 
While the RD-M310 is rated to 34t, I would give it a go with a 36t.
I have a bike with a Deore M531 (rated to 34t) shifting a 9 speed 40t.
That said hangers can vary and if you find it's not quite there then a 
short hanger extension (road link or similar) will get you there.

-Dave


On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:34:41 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:

> I don't think you'll have any problem, especially if you use a Wolftooth 
> Roadlink . May not 
> even be necessary though. I think I got a 42t low gear using said setup, 
> but that was an 8 speed.
>
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> HI Rivsters.
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone has successfully shifted a 12-36 shimano 9-speed 
>> cassette with an Altus RD?
>>
>> I currently have an altus, and like it well enough, but am using a 44x30, 
>> 11-32 8 speed.
>>
>> The new setup would be a triple up front (48-34-24), and a 12-36. 
>>
>> According to Shimano, the Altus only shifts up to a 34 cog.
>>
>> Just wondering if any of you Rivsters have been able to shift lower than 
>> that?
>>
>> I can hunt for another derailer if need be, but would much rather not. I 
>> don't like the looks of the one Riv sells (Shimano Deore 592) because it 
>> doesn't have the barrel adjuster. I guess  could potentially go to the 
>> Alvio, or the used market. I actually have a Deore something or other which 
>> does shift to 36, but it's R Rise, and I have never gotten used to the 
>> reverse movement. Drives me mad!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>> Portland OR
>>
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[DavidP]

An Instagram update from yesterday shows Platypus frames are being packed 
and shipped!
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ckbmiz_S5GB/

Anyone get a shipping notification for theirs yet?

-Dave

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:50:29 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Scott
>
> AFAIK RBW had stated in the newsletter that they do not want to open the 
> box just to check it sicne they need to ship it in another box.  One can 
> see their logic, especially since they are handling many more frames than 5 
> years ago, and can't/don't have the time to check them or feel the level of 
> service they provided in the past is just unattainable now,
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:14:06 AM UTC-4 Scott wrote:
>
>> Joe:
>>
>> I talked to Riv earlier this week about purchasing an Atlantis and posed 
>> a few questions about F/F prep. I'm not here to make a blanket statement 
>> about how all F/F are handled before they depart Riv, but I was told they 
>> receive the Atlantis F/F with headset already installed and that a F/F I 
>> purchase would not have the hanger checked/aligned before sent to me. My 
>> "guess" is they may not even unpack the F/F when they receive it. There 
>> wouldn't be any reason for them to open it up, if nothing is to be done on 
>> F/F. Maybe they are so busy it's easier to just place a new shipping label 
>> on the box and out it goes. I live in rural Montana and am a little bummed 
>> I have to travel a good distance just to ensure hanger is properly aligned 
>> after spending $1750 on a new baby. And I would doubt the threads are 
>> chased.
>>
>> Nothing whatsoever against Riv, just an observation. Seems it should be 
>> part of the frame making process to quickly verify proper hanger position 
>> somewhere between frame build completion and paint. I'm going to travel and 
>> pay to have it done, anyways.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 08:21:39 PM MDT, Joe Bernard <
>> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are 
>> with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I 
>> still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and 
>> check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>>
>> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
>> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on 
>> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus 
>> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte 
>> type road bike.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
>> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold 
>> out in mere hours. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they did 
>> during the pandemic.
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe 
>> supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given up 
>> trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the water, 
>> heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of the 2020 
>> Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in minutes. 
>> Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>
>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen to 
>> know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability will 
>> have evened out by now. 
>>
>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roscoe geo

[DavidP]

Garth posted these numbers for the 60cm in another thread 
:
HTA 69.6
STA  72
Effective TT  65.2 centimeters
Stack  66.6
Reach  43
Chainstay  54
Rake  6.7
Front-Center  72.6
Drop 8 cm 

-Dave

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 4:09:29 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nope, it doesn't exist. We need Platy owners to post the effective toptube 
> measurements they get, then you'll at least know ST and ETT for these 
> frames. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:30:25 AM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>
>> I just went looking for it and didn’t find it, was about to ask where it 
>> us.
>> —Liz
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:20, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> Have they posted the Platy geometry? It seems to me they don't publish 
>> that info anymore like they used to.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 11:08:58 AM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Liz,
>>> Rosco Platy geometry is identical to the Platypus frame, so you can 
>>> check those numbers.
>>> -W
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 Good morning all, I apologize if this is easily obtained info but I’m 
 looking for the Roscoe Platy geometry and not finding it. I find 
 conversations about it but not the numbers. Can someone please direct me? 
 Thanks, Liz in Sacramento 
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[RBW] Re: Tires, tubes and Cliffhangers

[DavidP]

I have bikes with a variety of wheel sizes and mostly stock up on 27.5 
tubes as they work with 26-29" wheels. I try not to stray too much from the 
tube's recommended tire width though.

That said if the smaller 26" tube is preventing the tire beads from fitting 
into the center of the rim while mounting that will make things difficult.

Another thing to consider is that most tubeless rims are designed to have a 
tighter rim/tire interface. On tubeless rims I use tubeless tape as a rim 
strip even if I'm going to use tubes, as the added thickness of regular rim 
strips makes tire mounting more difficult.

-Dave
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 11:52:32 PM UTC-4 jcbrya...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've not mounted the Homage, but I've mounted a wide array of tires to 
> Cliffhangers, both in 26 and 650b. Wire bead tires are fairly easy to 
> mount, especially with the depth of the well and the amount of internal 
> space. A bit harder time than I've had with other rims, but not so bad. 
> Tight-fitting tubeless tires can be quite difficult to mount, especially 
> when brand new, and especially with the use of a tube. I probably spent a 
> solid hour mounting WTB Byways, broke at least one tire lever, and worried 
> I was using so much force I was going to damage the rim, but it ended up 
> working out. However, with these tighter fits, I've found them quite easy 
> to set up tubeless.
>
> I recently mounted some Race Kings and the fit was so tight they held air 
> overnight before I added any sealant. I also find it easier to use a tube 
> to get things seated. I mount the tire normally with a tube, check for 
> proper seating, then leave it for a while pumped around max PSI, usually 
> just trying to get the weirdness out where they were folded up in the 
> packaging. Sometimes it takes a few days of riding. I then deflate and 
> remove the tube while leaving one side seated. Once it's out, I mount the 
> valve, push the side I opened back into the well, give it a strong blast of 
> air, and it usually pops right back into place. I've found it easiest to 
> add sealant through the valve (removable cores), versus pouring it into the 
> unmounted tire.
>
> With all this said, my experience tells me the Cliffhangers offer a solid, 
> tight fit for all the tires I've mounted. If you can get the simworks tires 
> to hold air without a tube, then I reckon you're halfway there. I'm not 
> sure of the safety of running standard tires tubeless, but I've read plenty 
> of stories about people's tubeless-compatible RH tires blowing off the rim, 
> so I'd bet it's no more dangerous than that.
>
> re: the Rene Herse/tube advice - they offer a lot of wisdom, but I try to 
> take everything they say with a grain of salt, remembering their primary 
> goal is to sell products. Despite their recommendations for their tires, I 
> don't think you can go wrong buying the "right size" tubes for the right 
> size tires. Sure, tubes do stretch, and it should work in theory, but I'm 
> not counting grams and I don't quite see the benefit of undersizing tubes 
> beyond that. The manufacturers have already done the work for me, spec'ing 
> tubes for tires, so I'm not going out of my way to try and outsmart them.
>
> Good luck with the tires! I hope you're able to get them mounted up.
>
> -J.C.
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:04:59 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Vague heading, sorry. Has anyone mounted Simworks Homage tires to 
>> Cliffhanger rims? The Homage is not "tubeless compatible" though plenty of 
>> folks have done it anyway. But I do not know about doing so with a 
>> Cliffhanger?
>> I am mounting mine with tubes, at least to start. But I ran into a 
>> problem. I was on the Rene Herse site and they supply 26" Schwalbe tubes 
>> for their 650B tires. They indicate they stretch to fit and do not even 
>> offer 27.5 tubes. Well, I tried. With a 26" tube it was impossible to mount 
>> the tire. After trying for about 40 minutes I tried it with a 27.5" tube - 
>> mounted easily. Why would Rene Herse suggest such a thing? Why did I 
>> believe them?
>> Anyway, I am looking forward to giving these 55mm beauties a go.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How are you building up your Platypus?

[DavidP]

Besides looking at photos of built Platys here (this thread 
 
ended up collecting quite a few from the last round), I've been looking at 
instagram 
photos tagged #rivendellplatypus 
. Lots of 
inspiration there (including Alan's photos).

The 60cm I'm building is for myself and will be an all-rounder / gravelish 
build - so I'm also taking cues from Atlantis and Appaloosa builds. I'll be 
(almost) maxxing out the tires and thus will not be running fenders.

Assuming your question "What works?" is in regards to fenders - I'm come to 
appreciate metal fenders (and have had good experience with Velo Orange 
fenders). If you are concerned about the safety of metal fenders PDW makes 
safety tabs for metal fenders.

-Dave
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 3:11:51 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

>
> For those of us who have ordered a Platypus, and got a “raw” frame in a 
> box, I’m interested in how people are building them up.  I’m also 
> interested in how previous Platy people from the last batch (raw plus Riv 
> builds) have built up theirs.
>
> I’m coming at this from:  This build is for my wife, so it has to be 
> absolutely functional but also “attractive” in the Riv way.  I’ve built up 
> a Sam and a Homer, and enjoyed both builds, but the Platy is slightly 
> different.  I also am doing the build along with someone who owns a bike 
> store, and also just got his Platy frame, so maybe I can pass along another 
> (LBS) point of view as we go.
>
> I’ve seen some Platypus builds in the posts, Including “Peppermint 
> Platy’s” build (I bow to Leah for being a class Platypus act).  Everybody 
> does something a little different.  That’s the joy of this.
>
> For example, my wife wants a headlight/taillight and a wicker front 
> basket.  No decision on fenders.  What works?
>

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Re: [RBW] Has anyone tried this type of brifter-like shifter/brake lever combo as cockpit option?

[DavidP]

Regarding having shifters in a location other than the primary grip - I 
think it comes down to how comfortable you are moving your hands around the 
bars and riding with them away from the controls (Josiah touched on this in 
his response).

Most MTBs are setup for a single hand position with all controls (brakes, 
shifters, dropper, etc.) accessible without moving the hands at all. I have 
a couple of bikes likes this - if the bars only have one grip location it 
makes sense (though you could argue that even an MTB flat bar could be 
gripped in other places).

Road bikes with drop bars have multiple places to put your hands. Brifters 
keep the brakes/shifters immediately accessible when on the hoods and 
drops, but not the tops. Some go so far as to add interrupter levers to 
have brake control there too.

You can increase your comfort level with not having controls right next to 
your hands by moving your hands around more and riding away from the 
controls longer. It does depend on / vary with the riding environment, 
speed, etc.

It's easier to get comfortable with shifters being less accessible than it 
is with brakes. Riding bikes with DT shifters and, especially, single speed 
bikes helps you realize that you don't need to be in the perfect gear all 
the time. That combined with benefits of a handlebar that allows for 
multiple hand positions and back angles can result in setup that makes 
looks like shifting is a secondary consideration - because it is.

Many settle on a readily but not necessarily immediately accessible 
position for shifting (bar ends, stem shifters, thumbies mounted somewhere 
other than the brake lever) as a good middle ground.

-Dave

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:58:03 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Here's a pic I found of Leah's Platy, she has my shifter (SRAM Apex) on a 
> Billie Bar. You gotta look for it but it's right under the right grip. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 10:29:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Scott, unfortunately my setup won't be much help to you, my Riv is a 1x 
>> with the SRAM trigger flipped over and upsidedown on the left side cuz I 
>> have a buggered right hand. It sits up like a traditional thumbshifter and 
>> works surprisingly great that way on sweptback bars, but I've seen 
>> RapidFires in the normal location on some Rivs. 
>>
>> *pic is on a Tosco bar, I traded later for Bosco 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 9:53:00 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> @Josiah, 
>>> Hey, neighbor! I'm up on the Hi-Line in Shelby. I needa get outta here 
>>> and back to the mountains like you. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I 
>>> just got an Atlantis F/F 3 weeks ago and am pondering bar set-up for it, 
>>> too. I plan on using it for dirt touring, bike packing, MTBing, and all 
>>> arounder. For the Atlantis I'm going to duplicate a set-up I already 
>>> have on another bike and am really, really stoked with. In fact, I'll 
>>> probably pinch it from that bike. I've attached a picture of the set-up. 
>>> It's 
>>> a lugged mid 80's Nashbar with a 31.8 FacePlater that allows me to run wide 
>>> carbon (bad word) monkey bars with M951 Rapidfires. Simple, yeah, but it's 
>>> a killer set-up and the only way I would go with any version of a 
>>> straight/flat style bar. This series of Rapidfires leaves NOTHING to be to 
>>> desired. I went with carbon bars for vibration absorption and ability to 
>>> get 77cm wide bars. Feels like I'm on my dirt bike.
>>> So, now that I've clarified that I've got my flat bar set-up locked-in 
>>> with Rapidfires, how do you think those M961 Dual Control (thanks, Joe) 
>>> would work for a swept back set-up? Maybe I should stick with my Rapidfires 
>>> for a swept back set-up. In my head it just seems funky to fit Rapidfires 
>>> to swept back bars. I just have in my head that those Dual Controls would 
>>> be proper on swept back bars for cruising beach cruiser style. Know what I 
>>> mean?
>>> Not if, but when I get a Gus, maybe I'll just run straight bars on it. 
>>> It's hard to think about deviating from a set-up I've already verified with 
>>> stoke factor.
>>>
>>> @Joe,
>>> Pardner, I watch your post replies, and you're a hard one to stump! I 
>>> expected to get traffic from you. My intrigue with the Dual Control has 
>>> nothing to do with pairing with a rapid rise RD. I run a rapid rise RD with 
>>> my Rapidfires (and love it). I was intrigued I guess with being able to 
>>> "slap" shift while cruising with swept back bars, at least that's what it 
>>> felt like shifting those campy brifters I had. Thanks for the enlightenment 
>>> about the Dual Controls offering the unwelcome shift while riding over 
>>> rough terrain with fingers covering brake levers. That never crossed my 
>>> mind, and now I know why the MTB community never took to them. Being that 
>>> I'm a swept back bar virgin, the shifter placement thing gets me. I see 
>>> brake lever position set-ups that look good. Most shifter 

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[DavidP]

What a fantastic loop and a great place to overnight. Thanks for sharing!

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 9:40:38 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:

> Great write up!  Not sleeping on a bike or hiking trip is the worst, but 
> the rest sounds dreamy.  Love the shot of the sunset with cabin.  I've done 
> a little hiking and camping, and stayed with my family in a cabin in the 
> area, so beautiful.  Thanks for sharing. 
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:57:20 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great ride report. Do you have pictures of inside the cabin? Or a 
>> map/link to the cabin?
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>>>
>>> 14-15 November 2022
>>> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 
>>>
>>> [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]
>>>
>>> This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight trips 
>>> by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I booked a 
>>> primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a 
>>> loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the 
>>> night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R. 
>>> to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night 
>>> out. 
>>>
>>> Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down 
>>> well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and snow 
>>> were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With bad 
>>> weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We 
>>> would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a 
>>> late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final 
>>> check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts 
>>> shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed the 
>>> wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our 
>>> way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s. 
>>>
>>> [image: 02 Syria SM.jpg]
>>>
>>> The first eight miles took us through beautiful rolling countryside with 
>>> cattle grazing, old brick houses on hills and the last rusty brown vestiges 
>>> of crumbling foliage. We were on a mix of pavement and well-maintained 
>>> gravel roads. The route took us through a neighborhood of small beautiful 
>>> farms on a road that runs parallel to a stream. The road continued on in a 
>>> way that felt like trespassing as we rode between barns, over corn and soy 
>>> fields, past a tractor shed and through fields cut for hay. 
>>>
>>> Next we turned onto a painted highway with a posted speed of 45mph and 
>>> rode along for about two miles. During our first day this was our only 
>>> stretch of riding with paint on the road. We skirted around a mountain and 
>>> had our first fun and short descent on a twisty paved road. We pulled into 
>>> a neighborhood of old apple-packing warehouses and a convenience store with 
>>> a deli, likely a good place to stop, according to Paul who ran inside. Bulk 
>>> candy, camping goods, deli sandwiches and the rest. We surveyed a few bins 
>>> full of local apples that were stationed out on the road. I found my local 
>>> favorite, the Black Twig and we got four apples for $2. They were 
>>> fantastically good. 
>>>
>>> [image: 03 Road SM.jpg]
>>>
>>> We enjoyed some more lovely country riding before starting on a long 
>>> climb that took our elevation from 600 feet to 3,500 feet over 18 miles 
>>> without interruption. 
>>>
>>> The way up is via a wooded fire and maintenance road that is at times 
>>> quite rocky but easily passible by bike… if your legs are up for it. You 
>>> would need a serious 4x4 vehicle with clearance to make it up these roads 
>>> and the few campers and people out fishing were in one-ton trucks. There 
>>> are a few steep, rocky, loose descents on the way up, short reprieves from 
>>> long and steady climbing. According to my GPS we climbed for three hours. 
>>> We took one snack break early on and had a few quick stops but for the most 
>>> part we were grinding away. Paul longed for a bag of potato chips, craving 
>>> salt and tired of all the chewing required of his nutty trail mix. 
>>>
>>> I don’t have many pictures from this section as I was very focussed on 
>>> trying to make it to the cabin before dark. The early sunset and our vital 
>>> camp chores were top of mind. Once we arrived we needed to gather firewood 
>>> and water. Without electricity or plumbing we were reliant on the woodstove 
>>> for heat and the spring for hydration. Stumbling around in steep and 
>>> unfamiliar terrain searching for wood and water was something I hoped to 
>>> avoid. 
>>>
>>> As we were passing a gate with signs that announced bicycles were 
>>> prohibited we encountered a traveller on a flat bar mountain bike with 
>>> disks. We had a short chat about where he 

[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[DavidP]

Eric - You mentioned 26lbs of gear, I'm curious how much of that weight you 
had up front in the Chest and if there was any noticeable impact on 
handling?

Thanks,
-Dave

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 11:47:57 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Such a well crafted ride report! Thanks for the pictures, they're great. 
>
> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>>
>> 14-15 November 2022
>> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 
>>
>> [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]
>>
>> This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight trips 
>> by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I booked a 
>> primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a 
>> loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the 
>> night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R. 
>> to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night 
>> out. 
>>
>> Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down 
>> well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and snow 
>> were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With bad 
>> weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We 
>> would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a 
>> late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final 
>> check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts 
>> shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed the 
>> wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our 
>> way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s. 
>>
>> [image: 02 Syria SM.jpg]
>>
>> The first eight miles took us through beautiful rolling countryside with 
>> cattle grazing, old brick houses on hills and the last rusty brown vestiges 
>> of crumbling foliage. We were on a mix of pavement and well-maintained 
>> gravel roads. The route took us through a neighborhood of small beautiful 
>> farms on a road that runs parallel to a stream. The road continued on in a 
>> way that felt like trespassing as we rode between barns, over corn and soy 
>> fields, past a tractor shed and through fields cut for hay. 
>>
>> Next we turned onto a painted highway with a posted speed of 45mph and 
>> rode along for about two miles. During our first day this was our only 
>> stretch of riding with paint on the road. We skirted around a mountain and 
>> had our first fun and short descent on a twisty paved road. We pulled into 
>> a neighborhood of old apple-packing warehouses and a convenience store with 
>> a deli, likely a good place to stop, according to Paul who ran inside. Bulk 
>> candy, camping goods, deli sandwiches and the rest. We surveyed a few bins 
>> full of local apples that were stationed out on the road. I found my local 
>> favorite, the Black Twig and we got four apples for $2. They were 
>> fantastically good. 
>>
>> [image: 03 Road SM.jpg]
>>
>> We enjoyed some more lovely country riding before starting on a long 
>> climb that took our elevation from 600 feet to 3,500 feet over 18 miles 
>> without interruption. 
>>
>> The way up is via a wooded fire and maintenance road that is at times 
>> quite rocky but easily passible by bike… if your legs are up for it. You 
>> would need a serious 4x4 vehicle with clearance to make it up these roads 
>> and the few campers and people out fishing were in one-ton trucks. There 
>> are a few steep, rocky, loose descents on the way up, short reprieves from 
>> long and steady climbing. According to my GPS we climbed for three hours. 
>> We took one snack break early on and had a few quick stops but for the most 
>> part we were grinding away. Paul longed for a bag of potato chips, craving 
>> salt and tired of all the chewing required of his nutty trail mix. 
>>
>> I don’t have many pictures from this section as I was very focussed on 
>> trying to make it to the cabin before dark. The early sunset and our vital 
>> camp chores were top of mind. Once we arrived we needed to gather firewood 
>> and water. Without electricity or plumbing we were reliant on the woodstove 
>> for heat and the spring for hydration. Stumbling around in steep and 
>> unfamiliar terrain searching for wood and water was something I hoped to 
>> avoid. 
>>
>> As we were passing a gate with signs that announced bicycles were 
>> prohibited we encountered a traveller on a flat bar mountain bike with 
>> disks. We had a short chat about where he was headed and I gave him the 
>> best directions I could. When I asked how much further we had to the top he 
>> said it was “a few miles.” Later on I realized he was tempering our 
>> distance and trying to be encouraging. The spinning continued. 
>>
>> Once we were within five miles of the top Paul said som

Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[DavidP]

An update on my build experience so far - the derailleur hanger on my frame 
was fine, no adjustment to alignment needed. No chasing needed on the 
hanger threads either. The bottom bracket threads were also fine and the 
cups threaded in smoothly. The most time consuming part so far has been 
chasing the threads on the fork crown braze-ons - it took a while to get 
them cleaned out and accept a screw smoothly. I've never acquired chasing 
taps so I've always just used a steel screw, working it in and out until 
the threads are clear. I've seen thread clearing tools made using a 
sacrificial screw with a slot cut along the length of the threads to allow 
material to clear while threading it, which probably would've made it go 
faster.

Out of the box, I noticed the seat collar binder bolt was oddly resistant 
to turn in either direction; it took an unusual amount of force to get it 
to tighten and the post still had play. Then while trying to loosen the 
bolt it snapped in the middle of the shaft. After taking the two halves of 
the bolt out, I found the nylock nut was bound to the end of the bolt and I 
was unable to turn it loose using vice grips and a socket wrench. I 
replaced the bolt with a new stainless M6 x 20mm and a standard, 
non-locking, M6 nut (with some blue loctite on the bolt). Now everything 
tightens up (and loosens again) as expected.

-Dave

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:20:47 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I got some Shimano levers for my internal gear bikes from Peter White that 
> have two position cable attachments for normal or linear brakes. The right 
> side lever has an integrated thumb shifter for the 8 speed Shimano hub. I 
> don't know if a non-integrated right lever exists.
>
> The Paul Cross-Lever can also be used with either style of brake by 
> repositioning the pivot pin.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:45:05 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Scott.  That helps a lot.
>> I’m going for Tektro linear pull V-brakes, but no decision on levers yet.
>> I like the adjustable pull on those levers, though.  I hadn’t run into 
>> that before.
>>
>> I’m not trying to hijack this thread, but “Who is getting a Platypus”? 
>> implies “and how are you going to build it up?”
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and first ride

[DavidP]

Congrats - love those silver Avid levers!
On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I picked a Mermaid Platypus frameset from a very nice local Riv/Crust fan. 
> Thanks Derek!
> Spent a couple of weeks doing a parts bin build. The only things I bought 
> new were 2 chains because Derek has a Clem Jr to build and needed the one 
> from this frame and a tandem length derailler cable. Was able to get the 
> first ride in today and had fit tweaked within a few miles. I am at the 
> bottom of the fit guide for the big 60cm but Will at Riv confirmed I would 
> be OK. I did get to do quick ride before I purchased so confident it would 
> work well and it does. Very nice first ride, smooth, zippy, and quick 
> handling. Already rethinking the tires- only 700x42 Continental speed 
> Rides. Just thinking bigger since my roads are fairly rough chip seal in 
> general, but want to keep fenders. I will do a second post on how large a 
> tire with fenders. Looking forward to tomorrows ride, it will be longer and 
> more hills. Build list is as follows- steel Albatross bars and steel stem, 
> Ergon grips, Tektro V brake and Avid levers, and Microshift 10 speed bar 
> end shifter shifting Deore derailler. Thompson seat post and Specialized 
> body Geometry saddle from 90's. Alfine single ring crankset. Wheels are 
> pretty nice, DT Swiss 240s hubs and not sure which DT Swiss rims. Fenders 
> are Bontrager meant for 26" tires, but fit well. 
> Planning on front rack that will tame the quick handling a bit, but worth 
> the utility. 
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI 
>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus max tire with fenders?

[DavidP]

Rivendell says "up to 48mm fendered" and I've seen a few Platypus builds 
with fendered Shikoro's. I have a 700x50 Gravel King on the back of my 
Platypus and it looks like there's room for a fender. Clearance actually 
looks tighter at the fork, both vertically to the crown and in width as the 
distance between the lugs at the crown is only 60mm.

My front tire is a Fleecer Ridge and I test fit a Planet Bike Cascadia 60mm 
fender, which is fairly flat and thin, and the vertical clearance between 
the top of the tire and the inside of the fender at the fork crown was only 
a few millimeters - it seems too close for a knobby. The same fender looks 
ok on the back at all the stay intersections.

So it seems like 48mm is a good general max, but you could probably squeeze 
50s with the right fenders.

I have another bike with a fendered Juniper Ridge front (same tread as the 
Fleecer ridge but 650x48) and it's actually not too bad in the noise 
department.

-Dave

On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> After 1 ride on my new to me Platypus, I am thinking larger tires. I have 
> 42mm tires now because they were in the bin and would work with the bin 
> fenders too. How big a tire you running with fenders on your Platypus? Mine 
> is a 60cm for reference. I have some Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires, but 
> think they would constantly be throwing noisy dirt/pebbles if they fit at 
> all with fenders. I like a quiet riding experience.
> any experience is greatly appreciated.
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>

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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[DavidP]

Leah posted it in the "Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious" thread:
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/fBVXpMqGxr8/m/eQx-N_ckBQAJ

-Dave

On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 7:48:46 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I missed it - where can I find this quote?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 25, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> 
> Hi Masa, so good to “see” you on this forum! Yes, your quote and photo 
> were so memorable it simply needed to be posted here. You are so lucky that 
> Blue Lug is your local shop; they are creative geniuses. I love that 
> two-color bar tape on your bars. How do you like your new Platypus? You 
> said it’s your first Rivendell - does it live up to your expectations? 
> Thank you for posting and sharing your new bike with us. Hope to hear more 
> from you on this forum!
> Leah
>
> On Nov 25, 2022, at 8:42 PM, Masa  wrote:
>
>  
>
> Hello, I live in Tokyo and have been a fan of Rivendell since luckily my 
> local bike shop is Blue Lug! The other day I finally got my Platypus as my 
> first Riv.
>
> I found that Leah mentioned about my Instagram post on the other thread 
> and really appreciate that.
>
> It was just my understanding what Grant (and the mechanic who built my 
> Platty from Blue Lug) like to tell the owners of  Riv. So it’s not my 
> original but just a reflection :)
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[DavidP]

It looks great already - love the saddle! Going to narrower rims should 
also give a few more millimeters for fenders.

On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 2:50:52 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 0BB42BFC-3110-49EC-B876-961CA57F3245.jpeg]
>
> I had the tires sitting around and donated my Rich built Cliffhanger 
> wheels for now. I think I’ll go for something a bit narrower and lighter 
> eventually though. I had the 85mm FacePlater so we’ll see how everything 
> works out when she can ride it. Now I have to wait for the parts I didn’t 
> have sitting around. I do have brakes but waiting on some Paul levers so no 
> rush. So far so good I think!
> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 9:43:00 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Perfect!! Thanks.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2022, at 10:07 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2022, at 8:58 AM, DavidP  wrote:
>>
>> Leah posted it in the "Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious" thread:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/fBVXpMqGxr8/m/eQx-N_ckBQAJ
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 7:48:46 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I missed it - where can I find this quote?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 25, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi Masa, so good to “see” you on this forum! Yes, your quote and photo 
>>> were so memorable it simply needed to be posted here. You are so lucky that 
>>> Blue Lug is your local shop; they are creative geniuses. I love that 
>>> two-color bar tape on your bars. How do you like your new Platypus? You 
>>> said it’s your first Rivendell - does it live up to your expectations? 
>>> Thank you for posting and sharing your new bike with us. Hope to hear more 
>>> from you on this forum!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Nov 25, 2022, at 8:42 PM, Masa  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hello, I live in Tokyo and have been a fan of Rivendell since luckily my 
>>> local bike shop is Blue Lug! The other day I finally got my Platypus as my 
>>> first Riv.
>>>
>>> I found that Leah mentioned about my Instagram post on the other thread 
>>> and really appreciate that.
>>>
>>> It was just my understanding what Grant (and the mechanic who built my 
>>> Platty from Blue Lug) like to tell the owners of  Riv. So it’s not my 
>>> original but just a reflection :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[DavidP]

I think for a new / timid rider I'd lean towards indexed over friction, 
mainly because learning to friction shift requires listening and 
micro-adjusting vs just clicking and pedaling - it's one more thing to 
"worry" about.

That said a friction front can be simpler and less frustrating to use than 
an indexed front, and mixing friction front with indexed rear can be a 
pretty nice setup.

If it helps, that Altus RD will index with 8 or 9 speed shifters and 
cassettes no problem (it's the shifter that does the indexing).

-Dave
On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 6:17:54 PM UTC-5 mike goldman wrote:

> v brakes noodles can easily be pointed downward. i would run housing from 
> the cable stop up to the noodle. i routinely do this upgrade old cantis to 
> v brakes on lady frames
>
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> rhode island
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[RBW] Re: What dual short/long pull brake levers are out there?

[DavidP]

If a three-finger blade is long enough then the Tektro RT354AG 
 might work for you. (Tektro also 
has the MT2.1 that is dual pull but it's only a two-finger lever).

-Dave
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:04:50 PM UTC-5 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Some Origin8 levers have this feature, I'd check eBay and see what's 
> available.
>
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:42:43 PM UTC-8 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy all,
>>
>> I'm in need of a matching pair of brake levers that are interchangeable 
>> between short pull and long pull. Because of a front rack non-compatibility 
>> issue with my current canti brakes, I'll have to use a v-brake in front, 
>> but I'd to keep the canti brake in the rear.
>>
>> I'm aware of the Shimano BLR780 which Riv sells, but ideally I'd like 
>> something with a longer lever body. Does anyone know of any other levers, 
>> by Shimano or any other brand, that has the criteria that I'm looking for? 
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
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[RBW] Re: SunTour Rachet Bar Ends shifting a Modern RD - Need to Trim??

[DavidP]

Hi John,

The RD will not eliminate the need to trim - best to think of RDs as "dumb" 
with any/all indexing done by the shifter. If you switch to friction 
shifters there is no indexing; the clicking of the ratchet mechanism may 
coincide with some indexed positions but will usually not be consistent (as 
the above response said - sometimes 2, sometimes 3 clicks per shift). To 
get 1 click per shift you'll need an indexed shifter compatible with the 
indexing of the cassette.

-Dave

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 7:38:27 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
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> I'm currently running Suntour bar-ends with an otherwise Shimano 2x9 speed 
> system. And yes, it occasionally requires trimming. Most of the cassette 
> needs 2 clicks, but a couple require 3. Hope that's helpful.
>
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 7:21:33 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> IF I use my 1975 Suntour Bar End Ratcheted shifters with a modern Shimano 
>> RD (Deroe M531) and a Shimano 7 speed HG cassette, and modern Shimano 
>> shifter cables/housings,  WILL the RD shift each gear going from the 
>> smallest cog to the largest cog, WITHOUT the need to ‘trim’ the RD after 
>> each shift, especially when moving up in the large cogs
>>
>> Secondary question:  If the SunTours would work without trimming, do they 
>> enough pull for a 7 speed cassette???
>>
>>  I have been using 8 speed Shimano Ultegra bar ends (BS-64) with a HG-50 
>> 7 speed cassette and like it, 1 click, 1 shift, no need to trim.  Been 
>> curious about going back to using the SunTours rachets if the modern RD 
>> eliminates the need to “trim”.  Would like to know if others have tried it 
>> and what the results are with respect to trimming.
>>
>>  Note,  NOT looking for a debate on Index vs Friction.  I think index is 
>> better, but I have trouble burying those nice SunTour bar ends & maybe I 
>> can use them if the RD eliminates trimming.  YMMV and that’s great, 
>> diversity is good.
>>
>>  
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>>
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
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Re: [RBW] First Ride of the Platypus

[DavidP]

Thanks, Mike - I'm in Chelmsford (just south of Lowell). It's a pretty 
standard NE suburban area but one thing this part of MA does well is having 
lots of public "open space" land dotted throughout various towns. None of 
them are very large but you can string them together and make some really 
great loops.

Thanks, Ryan - looking forward to seeing your wife's bike as it takes shape 
(it looks great already) and hearing how she likes it!

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:03:58 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Beautiful bike!! And a great looking area to ride. Still waiting on parts 
> to finish building up my wife’s Platy but I love seeing all the great 
> builds and different riding areas. Enjoy!
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:47:27 AM UTC-8 mkernan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Dave,  the Platy looks perfect!   Where do you live in Mass?The 
>> riding looks great.   -Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:27 AM, DavidP  wrote:
>>
>> This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dangerous thing 
>> with most any bike but, as I learned, especially so with the Platypus. A 
>> short ride can feel like an appetizer and there is always the temptation to 
>> eke out a few more miles.
>>
>>
>>
>> I covered 12 miles of roads, bike paths, and multi-use trails that I've 
>> been riding regularly in various loops for the past several years. I have 
>> several bikes that are well suited to these types of mixed surface rides 
>> and they all bring something different to the table. My Platypus is built 
>> with these types of rides in mind with Cliffhanger rims, Gravel King 50mm 
>> (rear) and Fleecer Ridge endurance 55mm (front) tires, and 650mm wide Tosco 
>> bars.
>>
>> The Platypus is my first Rivendell and the first one I've ever ridden. 
>> I've gotten a few short rides in before this one but those were mostly 
>> about setup rather than riding. My goodness, what a bike it is. I guess the 
>> best way to describe the ride could be "cruisy zoomy", it's a very easy 
>> going yet zippy ride.
>>
>> It is supremely comfortable and can be a very upright cruiser, though 
>> even when ridden this way feels responsive. My setup with a 120mm stem puts 
>> me at a ~75 degree back angle with my hands fully rearward on the grips of 
>> the Tosco bar, perfect for taking in the scenery and appearing approachable 
>> when encountering dog walkers on multi-use trails.
>>
>> I spend most of my time with the heels of my palms on the front of the 
>> grips, palms over the brake lever clamps, fingers either loosely draped 
>> over or wrapped around the taped bends of the Tosco bar, giving about a 60 
>> degree back angle. This is a good home base position for forward progress, 
>> still balanced enough to not put noticeable pressure on the hands.
>>
>> Moving my hands a bit forward, resting the heels of my palms on the brake 
>> lever clamps, and bending the elbows more gets me to a ~45 degree back 
>> angle to stretch out a bit or get lower in the face of wind. The forward 
>> flats of the bar are also usable when wanting to get to the same angle with 
>> less elbow bend and is nice option on open road sections, though I doubt 
>> I'll bother taping there.
>>
>> During standing efforts I can hold the bars back at the grips or up at 
>> the bends - both positions work fine and I found myself doing both in 
>> different places.
>>
>> In all positions the fit is roomy and the handling is responsive but not 
>> twitchy.
>>
>> I still haven't installed a front derailleur but a 46x34 low gear is 
>> enough to grunt up most of the short climbs on this route. I did opt to 
>> walk one short and steep pitch on a trail rather than manually changing to 
>> the 30t ring.
>>
>> I also haven't settled the front carrying method yet but am leaning 
>> towards a 137 basket and bag. For this ride temps were in the upper 30Fs 
>>  and wanting a place for a layer and extra pair of gloves, I borrowed the 
>> Swift Catalyst from my wife's bike to hold those things and my pump. I do 
>> plan on putting a bottle cage on the bike but the stem bag is a really 
>> convenient spot for the primary water bottle.
>>
>> A fantastic first ride (including a deer sighting!) for a fantastic bike.
>>
>> I took a few photos to commemorate the occasion:
>>
>> 
>>
>> (Our local open space stewards decorate trees throughout town lands this 
>> time of year; it's kind of a sc

[RBW] Re: First Ride of the Platypus

[DavidP]

Doug, the Clem L has had my eye for a while and got me looking at Riv 
step-throughs. It looks like such a luxe-smooth ride! These days I call 
most any bike that's not specifically a road or mountain bike an 
"all-rounder" and I have a growing collection of them.

Thanks, Mike - I definitely foresee chronic bouts of the cruisy zooms in my 
future!

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[RBW] Re: First Ride of the Platypus

[DavidP]

Thanks, Eric - 

The pedals are similar to the Stamp pedals but instead of grub screw pins 
(which I have on pedals on a couple of mountain bikes but are quite sharp 
and can tear into casual shoes a bit much) they have more blunted, 
star/torx shaped pins. The large platform is comfortable and the grip is 
just fine for the intended riding. Amazon has a few (identical?) models: 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092V1XT5Y
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08JPNYCJL

The frame color is mermaid (it's from the November batch) and it is a 
difficult color to capture, especially for my phone which took the photos 
posted above. Over on the "How are you building up your Platypus? 
<https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/4IwGKxLh2mk/m/R5za9uzSBgAJ>" 
thread I posted some photos from a camera that are a bit more nuanced in 
the color reproduction. There are also comments on some of the components 
in that thread.

At first I thought that, given the choice, lime olive would be my preferred 
color for a Platypus but that I would be fine with the mermaid. As it turns 
out I'm actually glad this round of frames didn't have a choice of color 
because after receiving the frame the mermaid is it for me - such a 
fantastic color.

Here's the build list (*not yet installed/pictured):

Frameset: Fall 2022 Rivendell Platypus, 60cm (10lbs frame/fork/headset), 
mermaid
Headset: FSA Duron 1"
Bottom Bracket: Shimano BBUN300 68x118
Crank: Velo Orange 50.4 BCD 46/30
R. Derailleur: Shimano Altus RD-M310, silver
F. Derailleur: Shimano Claris FD-2400, silver/gray*
Shifters: Dia-Compe ENE levers on Velo Orange Thumb mounts
Cassette: Jim 7sp 13-34t
Chain: KMC X8 (116+12 links)
Brakes: Dia-Compe MX2 VC733
Brake Levers: Tektro CL330
Rims: Velocity Cliffhanger 700c, 36h
Hubs: (F) SON Delux Wide Body 36h* / (R) Shimano FH-T3000
Tires: (F) Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge 700x55 Endurance / (R) Panaracer Gravel 
King SK 700x50
Handlebar: Rivendell Tosco 65cm, 31.8
Stem: Nitto UI-12, 120mm
Grips: AME Tri, gray
Saddle: Selle Anatomica X2, black
Pedals: Ansjs-005, gray
Seatpost: Kalloy 26.8
Kickstand: Greenfield
Lights: (F) SON Edelux II* / (R) Blue Lug Koma
Rack: Nitto Mark's (M1)
Bell: Blue Lug retro, gold

-Dave

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 11:34:17 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks like a nice build, David! Do you have a build list to share? How are 
> those (what appear to be) Crank Bros Stamp pedals?
>
> Is the frame mermaid? It must be, couldn't be anything else. I've found 
> when taking pictures of my mermaid Appaloosa my camera doesn't render the 
> color correctly. A lovely but difficult color to capture. For me, at least. 
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Doug, the Clem L has had my eye for a while and got me looking at Riv 
>> step-throughs. It looks like such a luxe-smooth ride! These days I call 
>> most any bike that's not specifically a road or mountain bike an 
>> "all-rounder" and I have a growing collection of them.
>>
>> Thanks, Mike - I definitely foresee chronic bouts of the cruisy zooms in 
>> my future!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: First Ride of the Platypus

[DavidP]

Thanks, Shoji - Cool to know there's another Riv (and Jones) rider in the 
area. I've got a 2013 diamond 29er frame myself. Something about Jones and 
Rivs going together I guess - hillibikes before the newer Rivs came along. 
I haven't ridden down to Battle Road yet, need to do that (Old North Bridge 
via the Reformatory Branch is part of a regular loop for me though).

Thanks, John - I'm glad to know you liked it and I hope others find it 
useful. For me the benefit of drop bars isn't just in the hand positions, 
it's equally in the changes in back angle that go along with those 
positions. A Jones bar helped me realize that back angle changes don't 
necessarily require drop bars. Interestingly enough there are also some 
bars that provide multiple hand positions with little to no change in back 
angle due to the combinations of reach, width, and drop at those positions  
(e.g. moustache bars).

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:33:32 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak wrote:

> David P
>
> Excellent description of your different hand positions & back angles on 
> the Rosco bar.  By far, the best write-up, I have ever saw.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>
>> This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dangerous thing 
>> with most any bike but, as I learned, especially so with the Platypus. A 
>> short ride can feel like an appetizer and there is always the temptation to 
>> eke out a few more miles.
>>
>> I covered 12 miles of roads, bike paths, and multi-use trails that I've 
>> been riding regularly in various loops for the past several years. I have 
>> several bikes that are well suited to these types of mixed surface rides 
>> and they all bring something different to the table. My Platypus is built 
>> with these types of rides in mind with Cliffhanger rims, Gravel King 50mm 
>> (rear) and Fleecer Ridge endurance 55mm (front) tires, and 650mm wide Tosco 
>> bars.
>>
>> The Platypus is my first Rivendell and the first one I've ever ridden. 
>> I've gotten a few short rides in before this one but those were mostly 
>> about setup rather than riding. My goodness, what a bike it is. I guess the 
>> best way to describe the ride could be "cruisy zoomy", it's a very easy 
>> going yet zippy ride.
>>
>> It is supremely comfortable and can be a very upright cruiser, though 
>> even when ridden this way feels responsive. My setup with a 120mm stem puts 
>> me at a ~75 degree back angle with my hands fully rearward on the grips of 
>> the Tosco bar, perfect for taking in the scenery and appearing approachable 
>> when encountering dog walkers on multi-use trails.
>>
>> I spend most of my time with the heels of my palms on the front of the 
>> grips, palms over the brake lever clamps, fingers either loosely draped 
>> over or wrapped around the taped bends of the Tosco bar, giving about a 60 
>> degree back angle. This is a good home base position for forward progress, 
>> still balanced enough to not put noticeable pressure on the hands.
>>
>> Moving my hands a bit forward, resting the heels of my palms on the brake 
>> lever clamps, and bending the elbows more gets me to a ~45 degree back 
>> angle to stretch out a bit or get lower in the face of wind. The forward 
>> flats of the bar are also usable when wanting to get to the same angle with 
>> less elbow bend and is nice option on open road sections, though I doubt 
>> I'll bother taping there.
>>
>> During standing efforts I can hold the bars back at the grips or up at 
>> the bends - both positions work fine and I found myself doing both in 
>> different places.
>>
>> In all positions the fit is roomy and the handling is responsive but not 
>> twitchy.
>>
>> I still haven't installed a front derailleur but a 46x34 low gear is 
>> enough to grunt up most of the short climbs on this route. I did opt to 
>> walk one short and steep pitch on a trail rather than manually changing to 
>> the 30t ring.
>>
>> I also haven't settled the front carrying method yet but am leaning 
>> towards a 137 basket and bag. For this ride temps were in the upper 30Fs 
>>  and wanting a place for a layer and extra pair of gloves, I borrowed the 
>> Swift Catalyst from my wife's bike to hold those things and my pump. I do 
>> plan on putting a bottle cage on the bike but the stem bag is a really 
>> convenient spot for the primary water bottle.
>>
>> A fantastic first ride (including a deer sighting!) for a fantastic bike.
>>
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[DavidP]

Here's what's left after ~50 minutes:
48cm, 1 silver, 6 olive
51cm, 5 silver, 8 olive
54cm, 1 silver, 5 olive
57cm, 1 silver, 1 olive
60cm, 6 silver, 6 olive

Seem to be selling way faster than the Platys (assuming a similar # of 
frames available, which seems reasonable as I believe they've said this is 
the most popular model). And if colors are equal silver is very popular.

-Dave

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:30:11 PM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:

> Might have been me?
>
> I got a Silver 54 as well. First Riv. 
> Excited and relieved.
>
> I wonder how they are moving this round.
> k.
>
> On Dec 7, 2022, at 12:21 PM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Nice Drew.  I nabbed a 54cm Silver as well.  Already spoke with Vince. 
>  Since their parts bin is deeper than mine I am going to have them build it 
> up and leave my RB-1 shiny bits where they are.  #2 in line.  Someone out 
> there is faaat.  :-)
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> just grabbed a 54cm silver. i went into thinking i'd go for a limeolive 
>> but something about the very understated silver made me change my mind at 
>> the last minute.
>>
>> i have an 87 cm pbh so i could have fit the 57 but i wanted to fall on 
>> the upper end of the fit range. really keen to see how this rides 
>> differently than my 2019 MIT Homer. now the fun begins... finding all the 
>> build parts!
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:59:19 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I’m with you Eric.  My Saluki which I got last winter is a taupe and it 
>>> looks great with brown and grays.  If I was ready to sell my Hillborne I 
>>> would order a Silver tomorrow.  But it makes no sense.  If someone was hot 
>>> for a bright orange I could be tempted.  
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:58 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 Joel — I might be forgetting a color here or there but... I think these 
 new ones plus the black are my favorite paint colors for all the 
 Hillbornes 
 :) 

 I think these new colors will look especially good with some kinda 
 warm-tones saddle (tan, brown), nice big tires with gum sidewalls and warm 
 bar tape and grips! Subtle, timeless warmth. Just me, that's my thing, 
 maxing out the neutrals. 

 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought as it 
> was the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but not my 
> favorite color. Love that new Silver.  My favorite colors are the Black 
> (like your repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful 
> colors. 
> There are probably others I have not seen but that silver has my vote. 
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:22 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes are 
>> such great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could definitely see 
>> the 
>> paint colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 'em but 
>> the 
>> RBW blue, orange and harvest gold didn't do much for me. New colors are 
>> rel good. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-5 
>> edwardb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> But that green is causing it to heat back up 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
 I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down. 

 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien  
 wrote:

>>> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate 
> sell outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had 
>> a lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are 
>> spectacular. Don't doddle! 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 
>> eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>>>
 Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 
 51cm and fits as it should.  

 On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton <
 paulgc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size 
> chart on Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically 
> over the 
> years. My PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this 
> current batch. 
> When I test rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was 
> a 56cm I 
> believe, and it 

[RBW] Re: Platypus ride report

[DavidP]

Thanks for sharing, Tom. I'm glad to hear you've gotten some nice miles on 
the new Platypus. It really is "a big floaty couch" with a cruisy zoomy 
feel.

I was interested to read your impressions on the handling change going from 
a bar bag to a rack bag, even with what sounds like a light load. I'm 
planning on using a front basket/bag on my Platypus and wonder how 
noticeable I'll find the change from the small and light bar bag I'm 
currently using.

Will also be interested to see where you land on bars. I've been very happy 
with the width and riding positions of the 65cm Toscos on my Platy but they 
do require a 31.8 stem.

We got a coating of snow last night here in MA but the forecast looks warm 
enough that "real winter" is still a bit off and I will be trying to get 
more miles on the Platy before the end of the year.

-Dave

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:10:21 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> After many shortish 8-10mile rides, I finally did a real ride on the 
> Platypus. over 20 miles, 37 degrees and rain for about half of it. It was 
> actually a pleasant ride because almost no wind. If it was 5 degrees cooler 
> or blowing, it would have been miserable and I would have cut it short.  
> The bike is brilliant. Did some decent hills (for west Michigan) that 
> included nice flowy descents. I put a small front rack and basket and moved 
> tool/tube and neck warmer/hat to the rack. Handling not quite as quick as 
> with the handlebar bag with same contents. I think the handling was 
> affected by the weight being out front more, even though it was lower. Will 
> be going to wider bars soon as the Albas just a tiny bit narrow for my 
> standing  and rocking the bars climbing technique.
> Back to the brilliance of this Platypus. The bike is a big floaty couch 
> that is still quick to accelerate and climb. It handles amazingly well. It 
> is my most enigmatic bike by a long way.
>
> Tom (riding as much as possible before real winter strikes) Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[DavidP]

The "custom Rivendell" part is key as it requires the chainstay braze-on 
for the RD mount rather than the standard dropout hanger mount.

-Dave

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
> Nivex Rear 
> 
> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>
> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>
> Marty
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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[DavidP]

Nice, Paul! Looks great. Let us know how she likes it.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:31 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I thought y'all might like to see how the Clemified Hard Rock came out. I 
> put Boscos instead of Albatross on because it seemed like it'd work better. 
>
> [image: hard-rock-side-sm.jpg][image: hard-rock-front-sm.jpg]
>
> It's worth mentioning that the seat tube bottoms out with about 3 inches 
> of post still showing. The means that the minimum saddle height (as is) is 
> like 32" from the ground. So she won't be able to put her feet on the 
> ground while sitting on the seat anyway. I thought about cutting the seat 
> post down, and I still might. But if I cut off too much, she won't be able 
> to get the seat up to her PBH minus 11 saddle height from the bottom 
> bracket. So I figured I'd wait and let her ride it before I make any 
> destructive modifications.
>
> The stem has a similar problem. Between the minimum insertion mark and 
> where the stem bottoms out is like 1 inch (because the head tube is so 
> short). So I have it set up with a Technomic to get the bars high, but I 
> will take a stem with a shorter quill in case we need to get them much 
> lower. I'll also take the Albatross bars with me, in case the Boscos come 
> back way too far.
>
> But I rode it around to button everything up this morning, and it feels 
> GREAT! Now just to get it half way across the country and see how it works 
> for its intended rider.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:03:26 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross 
>> bars for a new rider?
>>
>> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this build.
>>
>> My options are more-or-less indexed or friction 9 speed Microshift 
>> thumbies, friction bar ends, or buy some rapid fire shifters.
>>
>> I (selfishly) want to keep the thumbies for a different build for myself. 
>> And I'd have to buy a set of rapid fire shifters - which has its own 
>> problems (derrailer/cassette mismatching ...).
>>
>> So I want to know - Do you think a new rider would be irritated by 
>> friction bar ends?
>>
>> Here's the long story:
>>
>> I have a very short friend (4'11" - PBH is 72). If money and availability 
>> were no object, I'd buy her a 45cm Clem and be done with it, but I can't do 
>> that myself, and she'd never spend that kind of money on a bike (at least 
>> not until she catches the biking bug from this bike I'm building her since 
>> it'll be the first bike that's ever fit her).
>>
>> So my goal is to build a bike that fits her and is so fun to ride that 
>> she'll want to ride bikes all the time and eventually just buy a Clem.
>>
>> I finally found a frame that will fit her. It's a tiny (41 cm) 90s 
>> Hardrock step through with 26" wheels and Shimano 200ES drive train, which 
>> is low end 90s 7-speed stuff. It has a triple crank that I will leave in 
>> place (buttery smooth even after 30 years). Both derailers are in good 
>> shape, but they're low end 90s stuff, so I doubt they feel great, but I bet 
>> they'd work with friction just fine. It came with junky old rapid fire 
>> shifters, so those are definitely getting replaced.
>>
>> I'm planning to put Albatross bars on this bike, so my quandary is about 
>> the drivetrain. I'd like to use as many parts from my bin as possible, but 
>> I can't decide which combo is gonna work best and be the most fun for a 
>> timid rider. Buying new parts is no big deal, but I don't see the point in 
>> spending a bunch of money in the event she doesn't ride it much, so here 
>> are the relevant parts from my bin:
>>
>>- Rear wheel options - 7 speed cassette wheel with good cassette. 
>>8/9/10 speed wheel with no cassette.
>>- Shifters -Microshift 9 speed thumbies (I kinda want to keep these 
>>for another build). Shimano bar ends that no longer index.
>>- Derailers - New Altus 8 speed RD. Old Sora 9 speed RD. Shimano 
>>600ES 7 speed RD.
>>
>> So here are my options:
>>
>>
>>1. Keep the old 7 speed stuff. Friction bar ends or friction thumbies.
>>2. Buy a new 8 speed cassette. Use the Altus RD from my box. Friction 
>>thumbies or bar ends.
>>3. Buy a 9 speed cassette and a 9 speed derailer. Indexed Microshift 
>>thumbies.
>>4. Buy a 9 speed cassette, derailer, and rapid fire shifter. The 
>>Sunrace 9 speed stuff comes out to about $60 for the whole set up.
>>
>> I have a new 3x rapid fire shifter for the front, but I hate how those 
>> shift, and I don't think I have a matching derailer - I can test the 200GS 
>> FD that is on there, but I personally think friction front is the way to 
>> go, and I definitely prefer a bar end for that over a thumbie, because the 
>> leverage feels better to me.
>>
>> Since bar ends are just such a joy to use and have so much leverage, I 
>> suspect the Altus derailer and a 8 or 9 speed cassette with a friction bar 
>> e

[RBW] Re: Short trip suggestions?

[DavidP]

Hey James,
Have you seen Bikepacking.com's map of routes 
? The two in VT seem to be 
right up your alley, geared toward extra-long weekends with the terrain 
you're looking for:
Roundabout Brattleboro 

Green Mountain Gravel Growler 


There's a route in MD that could also be an option but it's more 
singletrack (50%) than those in VT.

-Dave


On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm laid up for 6 more weeks with a broken foot (technically a fractured 
> fifth metatarsal), which has kept me from doing most of the things I enjoy 
> and has just generally not been super fun.  So I'm trying to look forward 
> to the spring and thinking about planning a bicycle trip somewhere new.  
> I'm in northern NJ, but I'm up for driving, flying, whatever.  I would be 
> thinking an extra-long weekend, maybe 4 days.  My favorite rides are taking 
> my Hunqapillar out on rolling dirt roads, easy singletrack or doubletrack, 
> but I'm also not pavement-averse.  
>
> If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them, and start 
> planning/dreaming for sunnier days!
>
> James
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Hillborne

[DavidP]

For anyone wondering, Cane Creek brake components are made by Tektro. The 
corresponding Tektro branded V-brake drop bar levers are the RL520, and are 
functionality identical and much easier to find.

-Dave

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:48:33 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Yeah, I had the same Cane Creek V-brake drop bar levers on my gallop and 
> they worked great!
> Max
>
> PS. If anyone is looking, I have a Nitto noodle handlebar with a short 
> Nitto stem, cane creek v-brake drop levers (poorly) wrapped in brooks 
> leather over Fizik bar gel that I'd be willing to sell (shifters not 
> included).
>
> [image: noodle.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:43:41 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> Oh good - those are V-specific levers. They work great!
>>
>> Philip 
>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:53:09 AM UTC-8 
>> aelga...@castilleja.org wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 8:27 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 What brakes and levers specifically are you running?

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 On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 9:11 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir
  wrote:

 Braking is fantastic. I’ve had/have this set up on a number of bikes 
 and it’s always been stellar. 

 :-)
 A

 On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 6:46 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Ahmed,

 How well does your brake set-up work? I'm wanting to run linear pull 
 brakes with hood brake levers myself, just like you. The hood brake levers 
 I have are not long pull, and I'm wondering how they will work with my 
 v-brakes. I'm interested in hearing from those that have run NON long pull 
 brake hood levers with v-brakes.

 Scott


 On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 07:34:19 PM MST, Ahmed Elgasseir <
 aelga...@castilleja.org> wrote: 


 Hi Y'all!
 I'm thinning the herd to finance a new Roadini. Up for sale is my 54 
 Sam Hillborne, purchased directly from Riv back in 2019. It's been ridden 
 but not much. Saddle and pedals not included. Posting it here, hoping I 
 don't have to go CL. $2500

 Happy Holidays!
 Ahmed in San Mateo
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Re: [RBW] Re: Last ride of 2022

[DavidP]

Nice, Bill! I started Wandring this year and have enjoyed covering new 
roads (or in some cases roads I've ridden but never tracked). My first ride 
of 2023 involved some Wandring.

-Dave

On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 11:53:51 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I had to (HAD TO) ride on December 31st.  My compulsive nature required 
> it: earlier in the month I noticed that I was in third place for the most 
> total new miles ridden in Alameda County, CA on Wandrer.earth.  The prize 
> for logging the most new miles was ~300 points.  In second place above me 
> was my friend Doug.  In first place was a rider who I don't know.  I 
> clicked their map and this is clearly a San Jose cyclist who has done 
> "everything" in Santa Clara County and has explored randomly but 
> impressively up into Alameda County.  So, given the challenging but 
> achievable mileage deficit, and the identities of the competition, I 
> decided to take a run at it.  I made a big push on Dec 28th, riding 100k on 
> the one nice day between storms.  I did a short rainy ride on the 29th and 
> a very short one on the 30th.  I had only 6 miles to go on the 31st, but 
> the weather was really dreadful.  For context, it turned out to have been 
> the wettest single day in San Francisco in the last 170 years.  I chose a 
> very flat residential neighborhood on Alameda Island to go pick up my 6 new 
> miles.  I rode about 14 miles total and picked up 8.5 new miles and was 
> absolutely drenched.  I certainly had the roads to myself.  Fortunately it 
> was not terribly cold.  
>
> In almost any other situation, it would not have been a day for riding.  I 
> was pleased to achieve my target of winning the annual Wandrer bonus, and 
> I'm finding that those small, measurable victories help my state of mind.  
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 8:09:09 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not much of a “last ride” for 2022, but a good ride nonetheless. Here’s 
>> the only pic I managed to take - of my buddy Huston (who’s long been a 
>> member here) on his Atlantis as we made our way to our local Trader Joe’s 
>> to stock up on snacks and provisions for New Year’s Eve:
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2023, at 9:47 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>>
>> No pictures but I rode home after work about 9pm Saturday in the rainy 
>> 40°s.
>>
>>
>> Andy Cheatham 
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 4:59:57 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> What was your last ride for the year?
>>>
>>> We've been hit with an unseasonably warm spell and this afternoon temps 
>>> were in the 50s. I went exploring and found a spot I hadn't been to before; 
>>> not a bad way to end the year.
>>>
>>> [image: GR001-004600_bartlett-1800.jpg]
>>>
>>> Looking forward to the first ride of 2023!
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Nitto quill-clamp front brake housing stop

[DavidP]

It looks like the Fairweather Nitto cable hanger:
https://analogcycles.com/products/fairweather-x-nitto-brake-hanger_193483?variant=43248187506920

Nice looking doohickey.

-Dave

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:55:42 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:

> Fairweather x Nitto cable hanger
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-cable-hanger-dull-thread.html
>
> Comes in dull (I think Riv calls this Nitto finish dull bright), black, or 
> silver. They also make a 1 1/8" version.
>
> -Danny
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 7:16 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> From "Joey's Roadini" in today's email. Where can one find this stop? I 
>> don't see it in Riv's catalogue, and a Google called nothing up.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who remembers that headset on his 1991 Specialized 
>> Stumpjumper Team (or was it his 1993 XO-1?).
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
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[RBW] Re: 22 for 2022

[DavidP]

J - Yeah,  I'm in Chelmsford (just south of Lowell). It's a pretty standard 
NE suburban area but one thing this part of MA does well is having lots of 
public "open space" land dotted throughout various towns. None of them are 
very large but you can string them together and make some great loops.

My 22 were all in Google photos so I made an album there and then took a 
screen shot (pretty similar to the landing page for Paul's flickr album).

-Dave

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 11:05:57 PM UTC-5 J wrote:

> DavidP-  your area looks like really great riding. I'd been wondering 
> where you were from your pics and suspeted the NE and I see now it Mass. I 
> drove up to Connecticut for the first time two Octobers ago for the Nutmeg 
> Nor'Easter and really fell for that area of the country. Can't wait to get 
> back up north for more riding. Also, good job on the pic collage. Not sure 
> how you did it.
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:16:59 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>> Thanks! What fun to see them all together as in a poster*!  *Enjoy that 
>> Platypus.
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 9:34:46 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Great idea for a thread, Paul - I'm looking forward to seeing all the 
>>> photos!
>>>
>>> Here's a snapshot of my 22 all in one image - you can click on the 
>>> attachment for the full size version. 
>>> You can see that the Platypus was a great inspiration to ride and take 
>>> photos as it is in fully half of them even though I've only been riding it 
>>> since November.
>>>
>>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:35:07 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
>>>> *(I've posted this on the i-BOB list too, so forgive me):*
>>>> My favorite 22 bike related images for 2022. (Oops, as hard as I tried, 
>>>> 2 dozen was as close as I could get, so I cheated):
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720305087997
>>>> The hardest part was to keep it fairly strictly bike related and 
>>>> bike-trip related. Both of my Rivendells are a major part of the album, 
>>>> but 
>>>> a few others are in the mix.
>>>> What's yours?
>>>> Paul Germain
>>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[DavidP]

That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.

Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see 
if Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in low/low). If so 
you should be able to get them setup with the 2.25s G-ones since they don't 
really have knobs (assuming the tires actually measure out to 2.25 or less).

I'm thinking that Smooth 62s with 50mm tires would work on my Platy so I'd 
guess the Atlantis could do incrementally more.

-Dave

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) 
> and holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and 
>  heavily dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, 
> and remove fender material around the chain stays.  Not for the faint of 
> heart but looks possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the 
> dimples just right.  There's little question that the fenders will fit over 
> your tires, but on an Atlantis, it will take some work.  The problem I 
> would worry about is this, by the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, 
> you may have lost your clearance around the tire at those points.  If you 
> remove metal at those edges where it is too tight then the structure of the 
> fender is seriously compromised.  I'd go with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm 
> tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 tires for a bike with more 
> clearance (like a Clem).  
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they 
>> look to have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! 
>> Ordering pronto. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
>>> this out.
>>>
>>> Kim.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>>
 Hi Luke,

 On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid 
 Rob 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks 
 Honjo Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   

 Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy 
 for my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in 
 Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
 me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike 
 has 
 the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out 
 a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
 pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on 
 his 
 bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat 
 post for my Clem. 

 All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
 29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those fenders on the 
 SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 

 Hope this helps and not to confuse you.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA 

 ..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.


 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> Or even a Smooth 74?
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” 
>> Schwalbe Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x 
>> Honjo Flat 65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input 
>> much appreciated.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[DavidP]

Like Patrick I've had bikes with plastic/aluminum fenders (SKS and Planet 
Bike) and a few sets of VO metal fenders and would echo his comments. The 
metal fenders weigh less and tend to be/feel more secure, less prone to 
move or rub on things. The plastic fenders are less fussy to install (which 
is part of the reason why the metal fenders tend to look/fit better) and 
come with quick release tabs for the front (PDW makes some for metal 
fenders if you want them).  

With care plastic fenders can be made quite secure as well but when riding 
rough roads or off-road metal fenders stay put better (maybe due to the 
better stays?). Gravel can make noise on both types (it makes noise without 
fenders too, pinging off my bike's tubes).

In terms of coverage - that's more down to the particular fender than the 
material it's made of, but many plastic/aluminum fenders are economy/budget 
focused and skimp on length so Patrick's generalization is fair. The SKS 
Longboard P45s I ran on my commuter for years had great coverage. The Wald 
26" steel cruiser fenders I used on my townie for a a few years were the 
shortest fenders I've used and required long mudflaps to be useful (I 
finally replaced these with VO stainless steel fenders).

Overall I find metal fenders to be a bit more satisfying in look and use.

-Dave

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 3:18:46 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I like SKS fenders just fine — they’re easy to install/modify, resilient 
> to incidental contacts, and quiet while underway. They don’t have the sex 
> appeal of something like hammered Honjos, but from a purely functional 
> standpoint they seem more or less unimprovable. Unless I’m missing 
> something?
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Jay,
>
> Thanks for pointing out differences in materials fenders are made of. I'm 
> a fenders virgin, so it's insightful! Definitely a characteristic I'll 
> weigh heavily when I purchase a set.
>
> As a long-time user of SKS fenders, do you have any gripes with them?
>
> Scott 
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:27:34 AM MST, Jay Lonner <
> jay.l...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> I’ve been using SKS fenders since forever, so I’m very familiar with their 
> installation and have lots of spare parts lying around. Are there 
> non-aesthetic benefits to metal fenders? I think back to the old Raleigh 
> 3-speed I had as a kid, and the fenders on that bike were prone to 
> scratches/dings and also made a loud pachinko sound when riding on gravel. 
> Have modern boutique metal fenders found a way around these shortcomings?
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Luke, after you get and fuss with them fenders, post the results, please.
>
> Some pictures to go with would be great.
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 07:50:50 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Scott – I ordered the Flat 65 yesterday after some consideration. I hope 
> it’ll arrive by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week at which time I’ll 
> hurriedly mount them. I think minimal modification will be necessary though 
> I worry about reduced coverage due to their shape. 
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 8:41:15 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
> What did you discover? Did you by chance try the Flat 65?
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 09:42:36 AM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Man, wonderful info about the 74s – thank you for taking the time to relay 
> that. The above posted photos of them show a significant amount of 
> modification (cutting) to fit which I might be game to do however what I 
> won’t tolerate is losing ample clearance around the tire. I’m about to head 
> into the shop for the day and will throw the Atlantis in the stand and see 
> if any of the dimensions of the Flat 65s would work, etc. At the very least 
> I’ll share the mishaps I encounter as I try to push the limits of what the 
> Atlantis can fit with you all. 
>
> David – I appreciate that suggestion. I’ll throw around the dimensions of 
> those with the mechanics today and see if they also see that working out. I 
> feel pretty dedicated to the idea of fenders on this thing and the recent 
> rain has left me wanting to ride more with less of a reason not to 
> regardless of the weather. I feel like having fenders is the definitive way 
> to make a bike a year round possibility, whether or n

[RBW] Re: A sub-reddit Rivendell Bicycle group on Reddit

[DavidP]

Nice find, Kim. Too bad there doesn't seem to be much activity. I've seen 
some Rivs on the xbiking sub  from time 
to time.

-Dave

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:24:06 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> This morning, I found a sub-reddit group on Reddit regarding Rivendell 
> Bicycles. I just wanted to share the link, if anybody has not been aware of 
> it. 
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA
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[RBW] Re: A sub-reddit Rivendell Bicycle group on Reddit

[DavidP]

Kim - thanks for that. I love your Clem (those grips are great), those 
photos, and that ride.

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:41:16 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank-you, Dave. I posted a couple of posts about my Clem in the xbiking 
> sub before. 
> Here is a recent one from three days ago:
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/xbiking/comments/10eieo4/snow_ride/
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 6:26:55 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Nice find, Kim. Too bad there doesn't seem to be much activity. I've seen 
>> some Rivs on the xbiking sub <https://www.reddit.com/r/xbiking/> from 
>> time to time.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:24:06 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> This morning, I found a sub-reddit group on Reddit regarding Rivendell 
>>> Bicycles. I just wanted to share the link, if anybody has not been aware of 
>>> it. 
>>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A sub-reddit Rivendell Bicycle group on Reddit

[DavidP]

Kim - thanks for that. That's a really nice Susie and set of photos.

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:41:16 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank-you, Dave. I posted a couple of posts about my Clem in the xbiking 
> sub before. 
> Here is a recent one from three days ago:
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/xbiking/comments/10eieo4/snow_ride/
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 6:26:55 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Nice find, Kim. Too bad there doesn't seem to be much activity. I've seen 
>> some Rivs on the xbiking sub <https://www.reddit.com/r/xbiking/> from 
>> time to time.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 9:24:06 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> This morning, I found a sub-reddit group on Reddit regarding Rivendell 
>>> Bicycles. I just wanted to share the link, if anybody has not been aware of 
>>> it. 
>>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[DavidP]

Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO lists 
the 700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?

-Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into his 
Platy)

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:

>
> I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail Sparwood 
> tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the fenders at all, 
> maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame and fork, 
> so imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some modifying, 
> but maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like them, and 
> the tight fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would likely give 
> more room than my fluted ones.[image: _MG_2689.jpg]I 
>  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Back On A Platypus

[DavidP]

Nice! That Platy looks ready for anything. I love the versatility of this 
bike.

-Dave

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:02:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's a fine bicycle, Jared! I did a 3x1 a few years ago and loved it, it 
> taught me that I often downshift a rear cassette unnecessarily. 3 gears is 
> enough! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> Through various dealings the last year I worked my way down to only a 
>> Susie, trying to convince myself that I wasn't overbiking, but I was. I 
>> didn't need the tall BB or the clearance for 2.8's for the type of riding I 
>> generally do, and for the amount of time I spend on trails it was hard to 
>> justify having so much bike.
>>
>> Some of you may remember a WTT posting from the end of '22, I was looking 
>> to trade for a 60cm Platypus to fill in the gap that was left when I gave 
>> my wife my old 60cm and we sold her 55cm. Shortly after posting I was 
>> approached by Mack with the Canadian Caveat, but we were determined to make 
>> it worthwhile for both parties. After Mack crunched some numbers and we 
>> wheeled and dealed a bit we came to an agreement and would soon have new 
>> steeds!
>>
>> I received my new to me Platypus on Thursday of last week and wasted no 
>> time getting it set up. Mack had a killer 3x1 drivetrain and I knew I'd 
>> like to try the same, so I acquired some parts and pieced it together. I'm 
>> still dialing in this set up but so far it's showing a lot of promise and I 
>> couldn't be more grateful for Mack's advice along the way.
>>
>> So here it is, as of the ride I just got back from, and I'm so happy to 
>> be back on a Platypus.
>>
>> Jared in SLO, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[DavidP]

Looks great. Enjoy staying dry and clean!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:48:14 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Fenders turned out sweet, Luke. I dig the flat profile, way clean!
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 10:57:09 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Thanks much, Keith!
>
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:57 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
> Great looking bike, Luke!
>
> k.
>
> On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
> Here are some photos <https://photos.app.goo.gl/tkZLp8Wi7N2VJyfc8> from 
> the shop taken this afternoon. I’m very pleased and have decided to leave 
> some extra strut just in case. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 10:15:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
> I just finished the install this evening. I needed to slightly squish the 
> rear fender at the chain stay mount and do the same for the front fender 
> with the fork. Clearance wasn’t compromised however it added a certain 
> level of difficulty to the front fender install. I still need to finish 
> adjusting the spacing/alignment in the front, and I’m quite satisfied with 
> the rear fender. I’ll be sure to snap some photos in the daylight tomorrow 
> for reference. 
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>
> No problem. Looks like you’re right, they are listed as 63mm. I don’t 
> think that number has changed, I just remembered it wrong. So that means my 
> 55mm wide tires fit 63mm fenders. And for reference, I have Velocity 
> Cliffhanger 700c rims. 
>
> Brian 
>
> On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:21 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>
> Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO lists 
> the 700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?
>
>
> -Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into his 
> Platy)
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>
>
> I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail Sparwood 
> tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the fenders at all, 
> maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame and fork, 
> so imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some modifying, 
> but maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like them, and 
> the tight fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would likely give 
> more room than my fluted ones.[image: _MG_2689.jpg]I 
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rosco Platypus 50cm Purple

[DavidP]

About $400. (+ what Joe said)

I ended up buying a regular/swoopy Platy but it was the Rosco (and its 
price) that first got me thinking about the possibilities of a Riv 
step-through.

-Dave

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:56:23 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> What’s the diff between the Platy and Rosco Platy ?
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 2:46 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Also of anybody wants the 55 Mermaid Rosco Platy prototype it may still 
>> be there. I thought Riv was going to post it for sale but I've never seen 
>> it..call em up! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:44:02 PM UTC-8 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding end of year stock:  They were restocked on the site at end of 
>>> year with a limited amount and have all sold.
>>>
>>> Regarding Crust:  I think they just have the Platy in stock, not the 
>>> Rosco Platy.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-6 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Crust has all sizes right now. You don’t even have to pay twice for 
 shipping.

 On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 5:23 AM Johnny Alien  
 wrote:

> Maybe you should call and ask Rivendell. They said at the end of the 
> year that they had some back stock of all sizes and colors of the Rosco 
> Platy. Its not listed on the site though. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:59:31 AM UTC-5 dane...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey.  
>>
>> Curious if anyone here might have one they are looking to sell?  
>> Could be a frameset or possibly a complete.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Dan
>>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Build Opinions

[DavidP]

Albatross bars are pretty versatile  with a large range of positions and 
work well on roadish bikes that see some dirt. I've found that using a stem 
30-40mm longer than my drop bar stem puts the grips of the Albatross bar in 
a more upright position than the tops of the drop bar, and moving my hands 
up to the bends feels like riding on the hoods. You can get even lower by 
moving into the hooks of the Albatross bar and bending your elbows.

A brake lever with a low profile clamp is nice as it lets you place your 
hands anywhere from the grips to the bends comfortably.

-Dave

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 11:05:07 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> If you don't want to be too upright and want to maintain a bit of the feel 
> of drops I highly recommend the choco or losco bars.
>
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:37:51 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> For me, when in doubt, try Albatross. Other bars can be hit or miss for 
>> me on different frames. The albatross never disappoints me. I just switched 
>> my Joe to from Chocomoose to albatross and they feel terrific - free and 
>> easy.  
>>
>> I don’t see a benefit in using a really short stem to maintain drop bars 
>> on a Joe. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 8:23:52 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My limited experience with these bikes is that it's probably best to set 
>>> them up the way they were designed. That reach is such an important factor 
>>> in the comfort of a bike. I've been considering Joes and Sams and 
>>> Altantises a lot lately, and if I were to choose a Joe, it would definitely 
>>> have either Toscos or Billie bars. I can never imagine my Gus being 
>>> comfortable with anything other than upright, swept-back bars (like my 
>>> Toscos with a 110 stem), because the reach on the frame is so long. 
>>> Even classic models like the Atlantis and the Homer have changed so much 
>>> with the extended stays and longer reaches, that I feel like you see less 
>>> and less of these newer models with drops these days. Of course, there's 
>>> many different body types and styles of riding to factor into it, so to 
>>> each their own. Personally, I can't see myself owning another Rivendell 
>>> with drop bars unless it was an older, more traditionally designed model.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:08 AM Ted W  wrote:
>>>
 Got my Appa on Monday, built it yesterday and commuted to work on it 
 today. First impressions are that it's exactly what I had hoped for. The 
 ride is amazing and it feels so plush while still remaining responsive; 
 nimble yet stable. But I think it could still be better and I want to 
 channel the wisdom of the group.

 Currently, I have the bike built with drop bars (50cm V/O Randonneur). 
 However, I know this frame, like many of the Riv frames, is really built 
 with swept back bars in mind. Knowing this, I went with a stem that's 
 about 
 half my "typical" length. Unfortunately, it still feels like quite a reach 
 to get on the hoods, not impossible, but not "normal". So, this is where 
 my 
 question starts:

 Do I continue to try shortening the stem, say to maybe 30-40mm, or do I 
 give in to my swept bar destiny and spring for some new bars? And if I go 
 with sweeps, which bars do people like on the Appa? I have 65mm Tosco bars 
 on my Gus and it's wonderful on that bike, but being that I don't want to 
 be quite so upright (and there's not quite as much room) on the Appa. I 
 was 
 thinking of going with either Billie or Albatross bars. The two are so 
 similar, however, that I'm having a hard time deciding between the two. 
 I'm 
 probably splitting hairs, as usual, but I'm genuinely curious to see what 
 y'all think.

 Cheers,
 -- 
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Re: [RBW] Nicest silver Tektro upright canti brake levers?

[DavidP]

I also really like the FL540s (I dislike the extended clamp on the FL750s 
due to hand position interference). Note that they take a road brake cable 
end, which could prevent keeping the same cable setup.

On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:35:18 AM UTC-4 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:

> I much like the FL750s.
>
> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 8:35:21 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> Of course I'm gonna say the reverso RX4.1 in all silver are the nicest !
>>
>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nTMAAOSwiL9ij2Qk/s-l500.jpg
>>
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[RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[DavidP]

I just received a pair of Andiamos and have had a few rides in them - I 
think they are fine. For reference, I have a couple of other pairs of liner 
shorts even though for most rides regular synthetic underwear is all I 
need, but for some rides they are nice (not to mention on the trainer where 
this is less coasting/standing). 

The Andiamos actually have more padding then I expected - not as much as 
some shorts, but I have an old pair of Nashbar branded liner shorts that 
has less and more compliant padding (these seem to not use foam but 
microfleece padding). The Andiamos are fine and I will happily use them but 
I kind of expected something even more minimal.

-Dave
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 10:02:59 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Patrick, I’ve never worn anything more comfortable than Kucharik wool 
> shorts. I had my time with synthetic skin tight shorts and bib shorts but 
> without high pads and while ok the Kucharik were still the most 
> comfortable. 
>
> On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:59:02 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was just perusing the new Riv email update and saw Andiamos.
>>
>> I gave up nastily clinging lycra shorts with nasty, bulky pillow pads 
>> over 20 years ago, but when I ride over 30 miles I do sometimes like to 
>> wear something a bit more bunch, crease, and chafe resistant than my usual 
>> oversized nylon boxers under street shorts or Rapha Randonee shorts.
>>
>> I've hoarded about 3 pairs of nice Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois 
>> or -- for one pair -- a synthetic that is also minimalist. 
>>
>> But I'd rather have something synthetic for ease of laundering and an 
>> undergarment that can be worn under any decent pair of shorts, as long as 
>> it serves as well the basic purpose of bike shorts: prevent bunching and 
>> chafing. Again, I'm not interested in padding; I chose the right saddle and 
>> I have it and bar positioned properly.
>>
>> So, those of you with relevant experience, will Andiamos be as 
>> comfortable under Rapha touring shorts as wool Kuchariks with chamois?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[DavidP]

Johnny - no tensioner required for single speed; the dropout allows the 
rear axle to slide to tension the chain. There is also derailleur hanger to 
support for tensioner for a 2x1 or 3x1 setup. 

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:11:05 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> My area is way too hilly and I am way too old to entertain a single speed 
> (or two or three speed) anyway so its not something I am interested in BUT 
> I was still curious. If its designed to use a tensioner then why not just 
> single speed one of their existing bikes?
>
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:19:37 AM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>
>> Correction - not track dropouts; horizontal facing forward (I think).
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:15:07 AM UTC-7 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> Grant wants folks to be able to run a double crankset and front 
>>> derailleur if they want. It's an odd duck for sure; 120mm rear spacing with 
>>> track dropouts but a derailleur hanger. And there might be a braze-on for 
>>> running a shift cable for a front derailleur if they can't find a good 
>>> bolt-on option.
>>> Wouldn't be my choice but I'm getting one anyway ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:28:39 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Question about thatif it requires a string tensioner then what 
 makes it a singlespeed specific frame? He said it had horizontal dropouts 
 which is what would typically fix the need for a tensioner.

 On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:19:40 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> The PLP interview mentioned the samples coming late this month, and 
> the production frames probably pushed over new years now.  I have to say, 
> when Grant said it's essentially a singlespeed Homer, I became suddenly 
> interested. 
>
> On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 09:44:49 UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> The mid-May Blahg did say December in purple and dark orange. Or 
>> purple and Sergio green. 
>>
>> We will see!
>>
>> Love the idea of it,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:40:16 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The mid-May Blahg  
>>> has em 
>>> slated for December in purple and dark orange. 
>>> Mack in Alberta 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The latest update they published was in February. saying they'd 
 ship put of Taiwan in August/September.  That same email update said 
 there 
 would be a lugged Susie shipping in June and Platypus in July.  The 
 Susie's 
 don't seem to be here yet, so maybe push everything back a little.  
 October?

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:54:59 PM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:

> Anyone got any news/updates on availability?



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[RBW] Re: 2023 Riv Geo Chart

[DavidP]

Great resource - nice to have all the numbers in one place.

As for stated tire clearances - it may vary from model to model (Roadini's 
at ~42 sound right) but some look to be pretty conservative. For example, 
Platys fit 55s without issue; I'm running 50s (measuring a full 2") with 
fenders. Then there's Grant's maxxed out Clem 
 with 2.6" 
tires vs the ~55mm on the chart.

-Dave

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 3:05:15 AM UTC-4 Hetchins52 wrote:

> Interesting to see that the chart shows a 2.5" max tire width for the 
> Gus/Susie lineup.
> The RivBike site says 2.6" max and when the frames first came out they 
> were expected to fit up to 2.8". That was ... optimistic!
> And, the website no longer shows a 60cm option for the GBW frames.
> David (Susie in 53/650b) Lipsky
> Berkeley
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:54:19 PM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing this Max.  I enjoy geeking out on the numbers!
>>
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:50:46 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a little nugget from Will's email, I know a few people were 
>>> looking for the geo charts of the new frames.
>>> Max
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem: Fleecer Ridge vs Antelope Hill?

[DavidP]

Hi Jim,

It sounds like your Clem is 700c, but I think you'd find Leah's recent 
thread on gravel-izing her 650b Clem helpful: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/f8_g6tiXU7o/m/VJWI0Z36AgAJ

Most of the tires mentioned have 700c versions.
That thread also covers related questions on the pros/cons of tubeless, 
fenders on gravel bikes, and which type of animal excrement is the worst to 
ride through.

-Dave

On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:00:11 PM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:

> Anyone tried either one of these tires on their Clem?  I know Rene Herse 
> tires are a bit high zoot.  Any feedback out there?  The goal is something 
> that rolls easily on the street, but, can mix it up in the gravel as well.
>
> Also open to other suggestions.
>
> Jim
> Austin MSA, TX
>
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[RBW] Re: So I tried bike racing...

[DavidP]

Clark - congrats on a well ridden race and a fun new experience. The San 
Jose is a great bike - a single speed/fixed sibling of the slightly more 
common Volpe. I have a Volpe setup with a flip flop hub and Albatross bars. 
If you have a photo, I'd be interested in seeing your San Jose.

As a general comment, my take on the Riv/Grant rhetoric is that it is less 
about discouraging racing (and extreme MTB, etc.) as a riding style, and 
more about opposing the disproportionate influence these have on bike 
industry trends and increasing mind share around less spectacular forms of 
cycling. There are a few drivers for this, but the concerns are mostly 
about technology displacement (new, incompatible tech displacing older tech 
for reasons other than merit and without regard to negative effects) and 
accessibility (simpler and more practical bikes being more accessible and 
useful than those stripped down to focus on sport).

Ride (or race) on!

-Dave

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:13:42 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I never understood the need for groups of cyclists to denigrate the kind 
> of cycling other people do.
>
> In the 1990s, I rode with a cyclist who was sponsored by Bridgestone, Eric 
> House (the first man to do Furnace Creek 508 in under 30 hours: 
> https://www.furnacecreek508.com/reports/1992fc508.html).
>
> One time he read an article on the Rivendell Reader where Grant wrote 
> about cycling for fun being a better form of cycling than racing. He said: 
> "What, those of us who commute or use the bike for utility can't be in a 
> hurry to get to a meeting on time?" Every time you have to take your kids 
> to school on a bike you're effectively in a race against time, and there's 
> absolutely nothing wrong with that. Sure, it's nice to have lots of time 
> and go as slow as you like, but I found Eric House's arguments compelling 
> as well. And there are times when you feel like pushing hard and there's 
> also nothing wrong with that.
>
> Similarly sometimes I read something about how certain forms of mountain 
> biking should be considered "stunt riding", and I find myself thinking, if 
> they're having fun on a bike, I see nothing wrong with that. The first 
> folks who descended Mt. Tam on balloon tires were denigrated by the Sierra 
> Clubs and other conservative organizations as doing something unnatural. In 
> the end cyclists lost the battle and most single-track on Mt. Tam, the 
> birthplace of mountain biking is banned to cyclists. I find that very sad.
>
> One of my friends recently convinced me to visit Whistler for a downhill 
> MTB trip. It's the antithesis of what I usually do, taking a ski lift up a 
> mountain and riding the bike downhill (
> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/07/2023-whistler-day-1.html). When I got off 
> the ski lift I rode up the ramp to the start of one of the trails and the 
> instructor said to me, "You're not supposed to do that. You're supposed to 
> walk up the ramp." It was hilarious since obviously in road cycling, 
> walking means failure. My kids complained about having to take classes and 
> threatened to crash deliberately so they didn't have to do it. But by the 
> end of the 3rd day they were no longer complaining and the older one asked 
> for a fourth day. As one of my friends said: "When you do a jump and get a 
> half second of air time it's one of the most amazing feelings in the 
> world." And once again I find it hard to argue against that.
>
> All I have to say is ride bike. Any bike anywhere any time. It's always 
> better than being in a car, and it's always fun!  
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:56:19 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> ... and it was a ton of fun!
>>
>> My paddling buddy called me a couple days before the Great American 
>> Triathlon  because they needed 
>> a cyclist to ride as part of a relay team. I've never raced before, but I 
>> have been riding touring bikes and commuting since 2007, living the "Riv 
>> Life". Along the way I've picked up a fair amount of prejudice towards 
>> racing, but now I realize that my attitude was indeed just that- prejudice. 
>> Racing offers its own kind of joy.
>>
>> I rode my craigslist special, a steel fixed gear Bianchi San Jose with 
>> 40mm tires and a 76.5" gear. Among the relay teams, it was the only fixed 
>> gear, and the only single speed. Most people had carbon road bikes, and 
>> there were a handful of time trial bikes. I did see one classic, high 
>> handlebar laid back Rivendell. I performed better than I expected, 
>> averaging 22 mph over the 12.5 mile course to place 8th out of 129 teams 
>> for the cycling leg. Drafting was allowed, but I didn't have a chance to 
>> draft anyone, because our runner (the first leg) was extremely fast with a 
>> 5:20 mile pace, and that gave me a 3 minute head start.
>>
>> I would do it again, because I enjoyed pushing myself as hard as I could. 
>> If there were convenient local

Re: [RBW] Single Speed (QB/SO/RU..) Questions

[DavidP]

Your Quickbeam is gorgeous. I've been tempted by it since you first listed 
it - but I can't justify it. It's a premium build and being kind of a niche 
bike, a high end build will take more time to find the right buyer. I do 
wonder if any who might normally be in the market for a QB could be holding 
for the RoadUno even though they are pretty different bikes.

If you parted it out, much of it would probably go quickly but it would be 
a lot more work and you might end up holding some parts.

SS gearing is pretty personal for a lot of reasons (fitness, terrain, etc.) 
- I'm currently in the stage Eric used to be (40/42 chainrings, 17/19 
freewheel, 16t fixed) so my current singlespeed / fixed has three ratios:
~58" free - hilly and/or off-road rides, or just cruising around
~68" free - less hilly road rides
~72" fixed - road fixed

-Dave (in MA where the hills are mostly rolling)

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:42:36 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> I used to futz around with my old Cross Check, with lot of theoretical 
> geared and fixed combos out of a 36/40 chainring combo, a 16t fixed cog, 
> and a 16/19 freewheel. Or something. Now I'm simplifying and mostly just 
> run my old Trek with a 46/17 fixed gear, about 72" inches on 650b wheels. 
> That works fine for flat central Ohio. I have a freewheel on the flip side, 
> but I've never used it.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 8:11 PM Jason Zakaras  wrote:
>
>> So as its been posted, I'm selling my Quickbeam, but even with "too low" 
>> prices, its still not moving.  I also have options to figured out how to 
>> tow my newest addition and I can make space/have the space so who cares.  
>> The big concern for me is riding it and I don't find myself jumping on it 
>> as often as I'd like.  Partially due to the epic mtn bike scene immediately 
>> around me and my newly rebuilt bombora that I absolutely love.  That said, 
>> It would be fun to hit the trails on a QB and I have a pass&stow rack and 
>> some bags I'd like to use to do some camping with my twin boys (7) and the 
>> SS would be a nice way to enjoy the trip out to the woods with them.  
>>
>> The question I pose is what gear options do you all enjoy.  I've dug into 
>> the internets and I'm sure there is a post or 100 on this here already but 
>> I figured with the upcoming roduno and its many possibilities, this might 
>> be a fun chat to dig into.
>>
>> I'm currently at 48-18 and its great climbing around rural gravel roads 
>> in the midwest but now I'm in steeper hills its a bear-cat.
>>
>> Thanks xo
>> Jason Cheap QB For Sale.
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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[DavidP]

We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
wider tires that see more dirt. 

The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross throughout 
the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far forward as 
the Albatross).

The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.

Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.

What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?

-Dave

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>
> Thanks hive mind!
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[DavidP]

Great looking LHT - wider bars will fit right in on that rig. You may want 
to consider a longer stem to avoid knee contact, also Orthos are not bar 
end shifter compatible so you'd need to switch the shifters to thumb mounts 
or something.

-Dave

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 4:03:51 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:

> Man Eric - what an epistle! Truly you have given me some deep things to 
> ponder.
> Right now I was thinking of putting them on my Surly Long Haul Trucker - 
> it's a 62cm. I'm 6'4 (and full of muscles).
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch7Y77ruZob/?img_index=1
>
> I ride 45 schwalbe marathons, but am up-sizing to 47's shortly.
>
> I use it for a commuter and touring set up - and ride about about 32 miles 
> daily on my commute. Have been intrigued by the wider set up.
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:37:56 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>
>> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
>> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
>> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
>> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>>
>> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross 
>> throughout the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far 
>> forward as the Albatross).
>>
>> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
>> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
>> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>>
>> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
>> the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
>> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>>
>> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>>
>>> Thanks hive mind!
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[DavidP]

David - it looks like your bar ends are Silver2s? If so Riv has Silver 
shifter thumb mounts 
<https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk?variant=31168895975535> in 
stock - you could just move the shifters from the bar end pods to the thumb 
mounts.

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:41:09 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:

> Thanks for all the suggestions guys. Eric - when I put the Albatross and 
> Billie on top of each other on Whatbars, they look almost identical in 
> width, just with a little more grip area which in turn makes them slightly 
> wider. I'm actually ok on grip area, just looking for more width in 
> general. I hear you on the bar-ends - I'm currently using the rivendell bar 
> ends and would likely convert them to thumbies. Might have to scour the 
> interweb to see if anyone is selling them, bummer they are sold out.
>
> While I have you, when do we get your next video? ; )
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:26:14 PM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Having used the Albatross and Choco-moose handlebars for years and 
>> enjoying them, I recently put the Sycip Singles bar on my Kona Dr. Dew. I 
>> really like the extra width (650mm) and sweep (45 degree) of this bar. It 
>> has 200mm of straight grip area, unlike the Ortho and Tosco that don't have 
>> enough grip length before the bend for spreading out the brake and shifter 
>> controls. I would ride gravel but not mtb with these bars. Available on 
>> Soma Fabrication's web site.
>>
>> On Friday, 25 August 2023 at 13:03:51 UTC-7 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>
>>> Man Eric - what an epistle! Truly you have given me some deep things to 
>>> ponder.
>>> Right now I was thinking of putting them on my Surly Long Haul Trucker - 
>>> it's a 62cm. I'm 6'4 (and full of muscles).
>>>
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch7Y77ruZob/?img_index=1
>>>
>>> I ride 45 schwalbe marathons, but am up-sizing to 47's shortly.
>>>
>>> I use it for a commuter and touring set up - and ride about about 32 
>>> miles daily on my commute. Have been intrigued by the wider set up.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:37:56 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
>>>> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross 
>>>> bars 
>>>> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
>>>> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>>>>
>>>> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross 
>>>> throughout the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far 
>>>> forward as the Albatross).
>>>>
>>>> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
>>>> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
>>>> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>>>>
>>>> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) 
>>>> is the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
>>>> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>>>>
>>>> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>>>>
>>>> -Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love 
>>>>> it immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going 
>>>>> wider, 
>>>>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>>>>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks hive mind!
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Tall Stack, Short Reach Threadless Stem

[DavidP]

I have that stem on a drop bar MTB - no issues. If it isn't what you are 
looking for aesthetically, Velo Orange has the Happy Stem and Cigne.

-Dave

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 4:57:24 AM UTC-4 Dave S wrote:

> https://tinyurl.com/yff3arxv
>
> Seems to be the same as the Analog Gnome Hopper.
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:13:35 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm *finally *building my BMC Monstercross, and I think I need a tall 
>> stack, short reach threadless stem with a removable faceplate and 31.8 
>> clamp similar to what Riv adjacent brands like Crust or Analog offer, but I 
>> am open to other suggestions since I exist in the quill ecosystem.  Thanks 
>> in advance.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26” MTB Tire Advice

[DavidP]

Will - It's a good price, just note that the K-guard version is wired vs 
the more expensive folding bead version.

-Dave

On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:04:40 PM UTC-4 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> This Billy Bonkers 
> 
>  
> price is the best deal out there, IMO.
>
> Will
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 2:01 PM Bones  wrote:
>
>> Wow, I totally lost track of this. Thanks for the suggestions all. No, no 
>> sadly I do not have any friends with 26” tires hanging around. I guess I’m 
>> just looking for any good deals (sales, clearance, etc). I don’t have any 
>> number in mind, but I’d rather not shell out $70+ a tire for a bike that 
>> either way will not see much use. In southern NJ btw, outside of Philly.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Bones
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:07:16 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m a HUGE fan of the SimWorks Super Yummy. I’ve run them now on two 
>>> bikes, 26” and 29” and can say they’re some of my favorite tires. They’re a 
>>> bit pricier than other options, but they usually last me a year or two of 
>>> almost daily riding (call it somewhere between 5-6k miles). They do pick up 
>>> small pinholes from road debris once the center track wears down smooth but 
>>> if you’re not running tubeless, or you use a good sealant (I like orange 
>>> seal) they don’t cause any issue. They’re fast rolling on pavement and he’s 
>>> pack dirt and they’ve got good cornering grip on both surfaces as well. I 
>>> might advise against them on very muddy trails, but that never stopped me 
>>> (see the attached…)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 11:14 PM Nick Shoemaker  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good call - Ikon 2.2 is a goodie. Seems to last forever and was easier 
 to mount tubeless than Schwalbes. I’d personally be sketched out with one 
 on the front, but loved it as a rear tire in the summer.


 On Aug 25, 2023, at 11:03 PM, Hoch in ut  wrote:

 A good all-around tire is the Maxxis Ikon in 26 x 2.2. Rolls pretty 
 fast and has decent grip. I love it for XC rides. I put a pair on a 90’s 
 Stumpjumper a couple of years ago. Great tire. Not that expensive, either. 

 On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 9:59:55 AM UTC-6 Bones wrote:

> I recently pulled my wife’s old Cannondale F5 hardtail out of 
> hibernation with the intention of moving it along, but she now has a 
> renewed interest in it. It cleaned up nicely, but the tires are falling 
> apart. It looks like it can comfortably fit a 26x2.25, but I haven’t used 
> a 
> 26” tire since the early 90’s so I don’t know where to start. If anyone 
> can 
> point me to to a decent all around trail tire that doesn’t break the 
> bank, 
> I’d greatly appreciate it.
>
> Bones
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front basket rack recommendations

[DavidP]

Hi Alex,

Just double checking - but you mention a Wald 139 basket (the larger one) 
and the Tunitas 137 tote (the one designed for the Wald 137 basket).

If you are looking for the larger basket, then the Pelago Rasket may be 
worth a look. It's another combo basket and front rack and the basket is 
slightly larger than the Wald 139.

-Dave

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 1:12:26 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I thought it odd that the basket was a bit larger than a Wald 137. Seems 
> so many nice basket bags are perfectly sized for the 137. I have been very 
> happy mounting my 137 via zip ties to a Tumbleweed “T” rack. The best thing 
> about the Tumbleweed racks is the 3 bolt mounts built in to the support 
> legs. Makes these racks very versatile.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 21, 2023, at 12:54 PM, greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
> In the latest PLP video, Russ brings to light a nice basket solution from 
> a company called Manivelle. The Le Porteur version is a little less than 2 
> lbs, which is kind of amazing for a basket and rack combination. The 
> standard version seems to work well with a basket bag. Looks like you might 
> spend under $100 for the Manivelle.
>
>
> https://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/
>
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:19:47 PM UTC-4 ack...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Just found a screamin deal on a fully built 51 Sam. Now it's time to get 
>> it kitted out. I love my Pass And Stow for the heavy duty- stuff and 
>> aesthetically, it's unmatched IMO. Perhaps a bit of overkill as a simple 
>> basket rack. Would love an RBW51 Nitto rack, but not sure I can justify the 
>> $288 plus tax. Looking for something simple and elegant and cost-efficient 
>> for mounting a Wald 139 Hardware-less Basket and a Tunitas 137 Tote. 
>> If anybody has a well used RBW51 that they would be willing to part with, 
>> I'd love to hear from you.
>> Also looking for other options and would love to see what y'all are using 
>> for your Wald 139 Baskets.
>> Thanks!
>> Alex
>> a c k s f 7 8 gmail
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[DavidP]

Kim - the stone arch trail is in Westford, MA.

-Dave

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:54:34 PM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:

> Very cool Dave. 
> Where is this old rail line trail ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:00:29 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Got a nice ride in on the Platypus for the last day of Summer. Part of 
>> the loop included an unpaved trail that used to be part of a rail line and 
>> features a stone arch bridge.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230922_132606809_arch-1800.jpg]
>> [image: PXL_20230922_133612399-arch-1800.jpg]
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230922_133730270-grafiti-1800.jpg]
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 8:53:53 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> The best part of riding on the road? The art, of course! (Apologies for 
>>> the spoiler.)
>>> [image: IMG_2007.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:20:01 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> @ Takashi -
>>>>
>>>> I love the Pacific Northwest here in Washington state with all of the 
>>>> mountains and trees. It may rain eight or nine months out the year. 
>>>> However, when the sun is out and not too hot, It is absolutely glorious. 
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to keep riding further on the Willapa Hills Trail, but I did 
>>>> not want to go too far beyond my limits. To experience such a beautiful 
>>>> trail was amazing.
>>>>
>>>> I thank-you for your observation praise on my Clem.  
>>>>
>>>> I see that you have the same pedals as I do. Cool !  
>>>>
>>>> Have you considered buying some extension wings for your pedals  ?
>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/mks-monarch-extension
>>>>
>>>> They really do help. 
>>>>
>>>> Smiles to you.
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 6:04:02 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kim, you live in a very beautiful place! It must have been fun to ride 
>>>>> that trail.
>>>>> And your Clem is gorgeous.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mid-September and it's still very hot here.
>>>>> Soba (from which Japanese soba noodles are made) patches are in full 
>>>>> bloom.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: DSC03285.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> Takashi
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[DavidP]

I've found that barmitts or pogies trap heat and keep the wind off allowing 
me to ride without gloves around freezing temps, and with thinner gloves as 
the temps drop lower. The best solution for warmth and dexterity, but they 
require your shifters, grips, and brake levers to all be in close 
proximity. There are flat bar and drop bar specific versions.

-Dave (in MA, where we skipped winter last year)

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The fall style thread raises a question about keeping your hands warm in 
> very cold temperatures (for me, very cold means in the teens F). My fingers 
> are very sensitive to the cold. I've bought 2 or 3 pairs of PI Lobster 
> gloves but I've been disappointed in the fit and the warmth. 
>
> I've used Outdoor Research heavy nylon mitten sheaths with thick boiled 
> wool mittens underneath, and those were very warm indeed, but very awkward 
> to ride in, even on a fixed gear where you have to handle only the brake 
> levers.
>
> Varusteleka currently has a number of mil surplus mittens with separate 
> thumb, separate thumb and trigger finger, and separate thumb and first 2 
> fingers. The whole point of mittens is to bundle the fingers together in 
> one compartment for mutual warmth, so each added finger compartment 
> sacrifices warmth.
>
> Does anyone have thoughts on a glove or a mitten or a system that gives 
> the best mix of warmth and dexterity? And perhaps some particular gloves or 
> mittens that fit the bill?
>
> Right now, I've got hugely oversized 5-finger gloves under which I can 
> wear wool knit gloves, under which in turn I can wear silk liners, but this 
> sort of layer system is cumbersome to put on and take off.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] What shoes does your Riv wear?

[DavidP]

Matthew - What makes you think you are doing anything wrong (aside from 
running over glass (which isn't always avoidable)? The Kendas (assuming you 
had the Kwick 9s, which are Big Ben-ish in design and weight) likely had 
much thicker tread and casing and that's part of the trade-off with more 
supple tires - they aren't as armored.

What pressures are you running on those 700x50s? As Piaw alludes, flats 
aren't always preventable, but it seems that running pressures as low as 
reasonable helps.

-Dave
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 5:28:01 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I just got my second flat tire: a small chunk of glass pierced my 
> brand-new rear Schwalbe G-One Overland. The tire had less than fifty miles 
> on it.
>
> In the past two months, I’ve had more flats with new tires than I had in 
> the past three years with the Kenda tires that came stock from RBW.
>
> What am I doing wrong? Do I need liners inside the tires, better/more 
> durable tubes, different tires, or all three?
>

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[RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[DavidP]

Paul 
- From 
https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/supple-vitesse-ex-700c-clincher-tire, 
original SV sizes were 23, 28, 33, 38, and 42. My interpretation is that 
Soma is continuing to make the 42mm SV and the statement you quoted should 
be read as the available sizes are now 28c to 42c, (23c no longer being 
made).

Best,
-Dave

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:06:07 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
>
> I'm running Soma Supple Vitesse EX in the 700 x 42 on my Sam Hillborne 
> and like them a lot.
>
> I think 380 g's for that size tire is not bad and the price is good.
>
> I just saw on the Soma site they are no longer making that size. Here's 
> their verbiage.
> (Sizes: 28c to 42c 23c (no longer made)
>
> I haven't had any flats yet on them after around 300 to 400 miles.
>
> In my area I'm always dodging glass.
>
> I can't figure the mindset of the goofballs that through glass out on the 
> pavement.
> Makes me want to cuss. Well, I do if I roll over it.
>
> Someone else mentioned the Continental Contact Speed tires.
> I used them on other bikes in a 26" and 700c size and liked them.
> I guess they are discontinued now or at least hard to find. They wore very 
> well for me.
>
> Perhaps the Continental Contact Urban took over that spot.
>
> I'm running the Contact Urban on bikes in a 26 x 2.20 and a 700c x 42 and 
> they roll really well.
> No flats after several hundred miles.
>
> I only run with inner tubes in all my bikes ... haven't tried tubeless yet.
>
> This rolling resistance review guy gave them pretty good marks and a 
> highly recommend status.
>
>
> https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-contact-urban
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Day!!

[DavidP]

Welcome to the Riv mixte crew, Marc - looking forward to seeing it built up!

-Dave (on a Platy near Boston)

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 3:27:13 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's a nice frame, Marc. Leah is the Riv mixte whisperer, they find her! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:46:51 AM UTC-7 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Leah Peterson for putting me in touch with Michael Downs, I now 
>> have a limited edition Yves Gomez.  I've wanted a Riv mixte since I heard 
>> of the Wilbury, but I hadn't happened for a variety of reasons.  I'm really 
>> glad to have the Yves because it's a color I like while the new Platypus 
>> colors are not, and I don't think I'd care for the longer chainstays 
>> either.  Although I could ride a 60 cm mixte,  the 55 Michael had should 
>> ride just like the 56 Sam and 54 Hunq that I have now.  Perhaps it's the 
>> end of N+1 for 
>> me...maybe...for now.
>> .[image: Yves 1.jpg][image: Yves 2.jpg][image: Yves 3.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: is it blasphemous to ask how you think a Roadini would compare to a Crust Malocchio?

[DavidP]

Ronnie Romance has some thoughts (including weight) over at ronsbikesblog 
.

I think you've basically summed it up. Though the Malocchio is more road 
racy when compared to the the Roadini, in the grand scheme it's geometry is 
still endurance biased. The tubing on the Malocchio is very lightweight.. I 
recently picked up a prototype 57cm frameset that weighs 6lbs 
(frame/fork/headset).

-Dave


On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:27:08 PM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote:

> Seems the Crust would be more road racy and the Riv more long, relaxed and 
> multi purpose. I know we're not supposed to talk about weight but I can't 
> help wondering if there's much difference one vs the other. Just wondering.

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[RBW] Re: is it blasphemous to ask how you think a Roadini would compare to a Crust Malocchio?

[DavidP]

Yes, much - 
https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5bb29e327581960016665a32,6207ee4bee32e9001d9b652c,

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote:

> Truth be told I prefer as much stack as possible due to needing bars 
> significantly above saddle height. I could do that with the Crust but my 
> stem might look like it's touching the sky. Of course as mentioned above I 
> know I like light better but the Riv geo is better for my fit and aesthetic 
> preferences. Headtube on Crust is typical old style short and I think 
> (while not quoted by Riv) that the Roadini is taller.
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 1:27:35 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> I'm currently selling a pre-production XL Malocchio & have actually 
>> ridden both...and am looking for a 57cm Roadini. They are very different. 
>> The Malocchio is incredibly lightweight. My XL, which is technically a 63cm 
>> frame, weighs 6.3 lbs for the frame, fork, and headset with spacers. I can 
>> say from the experience of owning a lot of XL steel frames that it's at 
>> least a pound lighter all together than any classic lightweight steel bike 
>> I've owned in that size (62cm & up).
>> As to the ride the Malocchio rides like a straight up road bike (my 
>> points of comparison are my old RB-1 & my old Bianchi Reparto Corse with 
>> EL/OS). It just happens to fit 42s (at least the pre-production model does) 
>> & is aluminum light. I feel like people trying to pigeonhole the Roadini 
>> has been beat into the ground so I'm not going to compare the two other 
>> than saying they ride very different. The Malocchio is very responsive & 
>> the Roadini (to me) rides like a springy Riv. 
>> As to one being more or less multi-purpose? It really depends on what you 
>> want to do and how you like a bike to fit & feel. 42 width tires can take 
>> you a lot of places.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:27:08 PM UTC-5 eddietheflay wrote:
>>
>>> Seems the Crust would be more road racy and the Riv more long, relaxed 
>>> and multi purpose. I know we're not supposed to talk about weight but I 
>>> can't help wondering if there's much difference one vs the other. Just 
>>> wondering.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carrying groceries on your bike

[DavidP]

I came across this Kickstarter campaign 

 
for a rack mounted device designed to securely hold shopping bags and was 
reminded of this thread. It's interesting if you mostly use these types of 
reusable grocery bags.

-Dave

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 7:36:56 PM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:

> I have a Burley Nomad and a Burley Travoy (seat post mount). I have found 
> that the axle hitch on the Nomad doesn’t fit on my little 26” Appaloosa as 
> the curved drop out protector comes in too tight to allow the Nomad hitch 
> to sit flat, so I leave the Nomad hitch on the Clem, and the Travoy hitch 
> on the Appa.  I bought the extra shopping bags for the Travoy so loading it 
> works better than the big soft sided bag it comes with.  I also have the 
> choice of Backabike bags and a Nitto basket rack and Wald racer basket on 
> the Clem if I am not shopping for as much stuff. The Clem is nice and 
> stable with panniers - it is a 26” wheel 2019 45cm. 
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 8:21:45 AM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:
>
>>
>>> It's been a few years since I was the grocery-getter in this household, 
>>> but I used to use rear panniers and a very large backpack. The heavy stuff 
>>> went in the panniers or low in the backpack.
>>
>>
>> I favour backpacks as a heavy guy (95 kg), as they enable me to use my 
>> legs as shock absorbers. (I also used one for my work commute.)
>>
>> I tried a front basket but did not like it for any kind of load.
>>
>> It worked for me as I lived down a hill from my grocery stores and could 
>> mostly coast home... 
>>
>> EricF
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[DavidP]

Patrick, I hope I am understanding what you are looking for, but the DOS 
freewheels are still made in the two tooth differential versions; it's only 
the three tooth differential version (16/19) that was discontinued.

I'm not sure if you are looking for DOS freewheels in this situation though 
as these are thread on and not splined
If you are looking at a different wheelset on this hypothetical bike and a 
standard single speed threaded hub then the DOS will work:
https://www.whiteind.com/product/double-freewheels

Regarding disc brakes, to Eric's point I know of no way to have the quick 
change of gearing you are looking for with non constant chain length and a 
rear disc. Most single speed disc options that carry the disc with the 
wheel use sliding or swinging dropouts but these are not really something 
you want to be adjusting on the fly.

A double chainring setup really is the simplest. It's a quick change and 
adds a few seconds to the process.

If you adopt a constant chain length dual ring/cog setup, sliding dropouts 
(or an EBB) make the change even quicker as you just drop the wheel, swap 
the cog/ring and reinsert.

-Dave

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:19:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, but I don't want that complication. I want (if I can get it) the 
> simplicity of my Riv customer gofast: QR rear hub, Dingle cog, long 
> horizontal dropouts. I don't necessarily need these means but I do want the 
> same end.
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 4:31 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> The simplest solution is to also use two chainrings, matching the cog 
>> difference (for instance, with a 16/18 Dos freewheel, use 42 and 44t 
>> chainrings). Then the 44/16 and 42/18 have the same chain length, and the 
>> rotor to pad relationship doesn't change.
>>
>> Or just use a disc front and a rim brake rear, and a forward facing 
>> horizontal dropout (like typical UJBs have)
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 6:12 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Thinking out loud; help me clarify my thoughts.
>>>
>>> I think of devising a Monocog replacement, with 622X76/29X3" wheels, but 
>>> instead of a mono cog, with a duo cog. This hypothetical bike would have 
>>> disc brakes. I don't want to use a chain tensioner, and I prefer to take 
>>> advantage of the greater gear ratio differences between cogs of different 
>>> sizes compared to rings with the same tooth differences, and of the 
>>> consequent smaller axle movement required to adjust chain slack, so the 
>>> multiple cogs would be in the back and not on the crank.
>>>
>>> On my beloved 1999 Joe Starck Riv Road Custom fixie I use a 17/19 Dingle 
>>> on a Phil hub with a QR axle; it's very easy to stop, flip the QR lever, 
>>> move the chain, align the wheel, and tighten the QR.
>>>
>>> That's what I imagine for the Monocog replacement.
>>>
>>> 1. Disc brakes. But this bike would have disc brakes. I'd probably not 
>>> need more than a 2-t cog difference, but will your typical caliper/rotor 
>>> setup accept the 1/4" axle movement? (1/8" of axle movement is required -- 
>>> so they say; I've never measured it and take it on faith -- to accomodate a 
>>> 1 tooth sprocket difference.)
>>>
>>> 2. Two cogs. How to get 2 cogs onto a suitable "ss" hub with a 
>>> freewheel. The DIngle isn't made anymore and in any event wasn't made -- am 
>>> I right? -- with 2-teeth gaps. The Monocog has a freehub designed to take 1 
>>> single Shimano-spline-type cog; there's no room for a second cog. >>>What 
>>> options does one have to get 2 cogs with a 2-tooth difference onto a hub 
>>> suitable for a QR axle?
>>>
>>> I realize that I could just use an old 7 speed Shimano freehub, and I 
>>> might end up doing that, but I'd prefer to have a hub that does not require 
>>> a wide stack of spacers.
>>>
>>> 3. Axle type and dropouts/trackends/thru-axle holes. I know that long 
>>> forward-facing horizontal dropouts, a QR axle, and a hub with 2 cogs on 1 
>>> side allows very easy manual shifting, as this sort of shifting goes. I am 
>>> also pretty sure that a good builder can use 135 mm OL spacing and still 
>>> give me the stay clearance I need for true 3" tires, so I'm inclined to 
>>> stick with this very old-fashioned wheel attachment method.
>>>
>>> But if there are other wheel attachment methods that allow you to easily 
>>> move the chain from one cog to another, I'd be interested to learn about 
>>> them. Sliding dropouts? 
>>>
>>> Are there any other things to consider ?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Patrick Moore, who had a nice ride to church and back today on a 
>>> pretty Fall day riding the Monocog with 72 mm tires and a single 65" gear 
>>> despite the bosque trail sand and the rear tire knobs occasionally 
>>> "whisping" on the chainstays (I fixed seatstay clearance with a hammer). 
>>> The Silca Impero with Campy head and the Road-style BB7s pulled by non-aero 
>>> DC levers are ironic but in fact work very well. When braking from the 
>>> hoods you simply pull from a

Re: [RBW] Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

[DavidP]

Yes, chain length remains the same in all cases - I guess what I meant to 
say was 'rear center' (distance between bottom bracket and axle).

It's entirely possible a rear disc might work well enough over that ~3mm 
range. I've never owned a disc braked bike with horizontal dropouts 
allowing the axle to move independent of the caliper so I'm not sure about 
the tolerances in setup.

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Dave, good to know about the DOX 2-tooth gap fws.
>
> Back to the question of disc brake and axle movement: the *chain length* will 
> remain the same; the axle will have to move to accommodate different size 
> cogs since I don't want a tensioner.* This of course assumes that one is 
> using horizontal dropouts or track ends; I'd like to stay with that 
> assumption until it is entirely and definitely ruled out.
>
> When moving the chain from a 17 to to a 19 t cog and v/v the axle should 
> have to move only 1/4" or ~6 mm. This movement would be back to front and 
> v/v. 
>
> The rear caliper on the Monocog is  mounted *above* the rotor (actually, 
> it seems to be a wee bit forward of the rotor centerline). Couldn't you 
> mount the caliper at top dead center of the rotor? And if so mounted, the 
> rotor would move only ~3 mm forward or back for a 2-tooth axle shift.
>
> Could the caliper not accommodate a 1/8" or 3 mm movement fore and aft? If 
> I have to specify a particular disc brake, let's just say a cable operated 
> BB7.
>
> I'll think more about the 2 rings/2 cogs arrangement. I could use, say, a 
> 36X17 and 34 X 19 for 65" and 55". And certainly, a vertical dropout would 
> be much easier to use for manual chain shifting than track ends.
>
> Or one could use a kickback hub: 32 X 21 for a 46" gear in direct, 64" in 
> 138% overdrive. 
>
> All in all, I think I prefer the QR and horizontal dropout system, and if 
> disc brakes can't accomodate this then I'll stick to a single speed. [Or, I 
> could go back to a fixed off road bike where I wouldn't need a rear brake; 
> but I rather think I want a freewheel.
>
> *The reason might sound silly but it's a valid one: One reason I took the 
> Monocog in trade was to have a snow bike. We very rarely get enough snow to 
> ride in but we do get a few days per year and I like riding in it. A few 
> years ago I found that wet gummy snow clogged the cassette and rear 
> derailleur of my Matthews and made the chain skip. Thus the thought of 
> getting a snow/sand single speed with 3" tires.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I hope I am understanding what you are looking for, but the DOS 
>> freewheels are still made in the two tooth differential versions; it's only 
>> the three tooth differential version (16/19) that was discontinued.
>>
>> I'm not sure if you are looking for DOS freewheels in this situation 
>> though as these are thread on and not splined
>> If you are looking at a different wheelset on this hypothetical bike and 
>> a standard single speed threaded hub then the DOS will work:
>> https://www.whiteind.com/product/double-freewheels
>>
>> Regarding disc brakes, to Eric's point I know of no way to have the quick 
>> change of gearing you are looking for with non constant chain length and a 
>> rear disc. Most single speed disc options that carry the disc with the 
>> wheel use sliding or swinging dropouts but these are not really something 
>> you want to be adjusting on the fly.
>>
>> A double chainring setup really is the simplest. It's a quick change and 
>> adds a few seconds to the process.
>>
>> If you adopt a constant chain length dual ring/cog setup, sliding 
>> dropouts (or an EBB) make the change even quicker as you just drop the 
>> wheel, swap the cog/ring and reinsert.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:19:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, but I don't want that complication. I want (if I can get it) the 
>>> simplicity of my Riv customer gofast: QR rear hub, Dingle cog, long 
>>> horizontal dropouts. I don't necessarily need these means but I do want the 
>>> same end.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 4:31 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The simplest solution is to also use two chainrings, matching the cog 
>>>> difference (for instance, with a 16/18 Dos freewheel, use 42 and 44t 
>>>> chainrings). Then the 44/16 and 42/18 have the same chain length, and the 
>>>> rotor to pad 

Re: [RBW] 2.25 Thunder Burt on a Platypus?

[DavidP]

I have a bike with a 29x2.25 Thunder Burt on an i29mm rim, on which the 
casing measures wider than the knobs and is 56mm / 2.2" @ ~20psi. Variances 
in individual tires aside that should be a good max as the Cliffhangers are 
i25mm. I'm pretty sure this would work on my Platypus (60cm) if I didn't 
have fenders installed which limit me to a 50mm tire.

-Dave

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 5:54:37 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Justin,
> FWIW, the April 28 email newsletter featured a 60cm web special platy with 
> 2.3" Teravail Ehlines. Will said: "It clears easily, although I wouldn't go 
> any bigger. I suspect these tires are measured knob to knob, because 
> calipers showed them as closer to 2.1 than 2.3. Still good!"
> Mack 
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:29:05 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I would say it isn’t likely. I have the Soma Cazadero 700x50mm on my 
>> wife’s 55 with Cliffhanger rims and there is no room to spare. 
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No specific experience mounting that combo but I can tell you that 2.25" 
>>> tires on Cliffhanger rims, for me, measured 60mm. If you've got calipers, 
>>> you could check the spacing between tubes and get an idea from that.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 10:04 AM Justin Kennedy  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know it's beyond the official max tire size but wondering if anyone 
 has experience with big ol' tires on your Platy. Specifically, a 29'er 
 2.25 
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Re: [RBW] New bike decision (help!)

[DavidP]

As Jim suggests, the Platypus isn't just a pavement bike (it'll actually 
fit 2.2s; mine has 50s and fenders) but, as Richard says, it's also not a 
trail bike. It's a good all-rounder and great on mixed surface, gravel-ish 
rides (and sure, some light singletrack is fair game). But if, as you say, 
you are looking for a bike specifically for "everything from dirt paths to 
midwestern single track" you'd be better suited by the Clem or Susie (and 
personally, I'd go for the Susie) even if you only put slightly bigger 
tires on it.

-Dave

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 4:15:27 PM UTC-5 bei...@gmail.com wrote:

> Welcome, Gregger!
>
> I have a Platy as my only riv, which I bought as a third option late 
> because I missed the Gus boat in Dec 2021 and the Atlantis boat in April 
> 2022. I mostly use the Platy for groceries, baby hauling and mixed gravel 
> but occasionally ride it on more Rocky Mountain bike trails here in 
> Boulder, CO. I KNOW I should be more careful and I USUALLY don’t have a 
> problem, but I do almost always accidentally pedal strike on the Platy. 
> Neither my Kona Rove nor my Karate Monkey have such a low bottom bracket, 
> and my experience generally has been that it’s safer to use the right tool 
> for the job. 
>
> What I’m saying is, ride the Krampus rigid (and maybe single speed) if you 
> want to slow down a bit, and ALSO get  the new Susie or the purple Platy 
> you’re fond of. They won’t go unridden!
>
> Happy pondering, 
>
> Christian
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 1:57:27 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve not ridden a Platypus but I’ve yet to hear it described as a trail 
>> bike. Love, love, love my Clem on & off road but if things get dicey it’s a 
>> bit overwhelmed with the lower bottom bracket - compared to my Gus. The Gus 
>> or the new Susie (get one! Run do not walk!) are singletrack machines. Yes 
>> they are good for other duties as well but are conceived & built to be 
>> mountain bikes. I am blown away by it on rough, rooty & slightly rocky 
>> singletrack. It is every bit the mountain bike that a Jones is (I had one) 
>> which is of course highly regarded in that category. I’ve yet to experience 
>> a pedal strike on the Gus. I’ve had quite a few on the Clem. And I am 
>> pretty decent at avoiding them if I do say so. So, IMHO if what you are 
>> looking for is a singletrack bike get the new Susie or try to find a 
>> leftover one/Gus.
>> FWIW, I am closing on 69 years old & have ditched my full suspension bike 
>> in favor of the Gus. As you allude to, I am a bit less aggressive on the 
>> Gus vs. the Ibis. I think that’s is smarter at my age. No less fun though.:)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2024, at 11:51 AM, Gregger  wrote:
>>
>> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>>
>>
>> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe 
>> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really 
>> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
>> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
>> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
>> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>>
>> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
>> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
>> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
>> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
>> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
>> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>>
>> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm 
>> not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love 
>> the purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
>> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
>> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
>> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>>
>> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly 
>> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - 
>> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my 
>> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>>
>> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
>> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[DavidP]

I'm using that $13 derailleur on a couple of bikes that see regular 
off-road use (including my Platypus) and it just works. I have some bikes 
with fancier RDs but will continue to use it on future builds where it fits.

The symptom of working fine in all but a couple of cogs always makes me 
think about the hanger alignment (as mentioned by Bill), but it's possible 
the the derailleur may have been damaged too.

Starting with the shifters isn't a bad idea as they will be a notable 
upgrade from the current shifters even if they aren't the cause of your 
problem.

-Dave


On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 11:50:02 PM UTC-4 Vincent Tamer wrote:

> Yes it is a 9. I've wanted to switch to Silver Thumbies so that might just 
> be the next upgrade. Good point about the derailleur too, that's something 
> to consider.
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 6:11:32 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Vincent,
>>
>> That Clem is beautiful, but your shifting issue sounds frustrating. Are 
>> you running a 9-speed cassette in the back? I had the indexing Sunrace 
>> thumbie on my Rivendell and performance felt just ok. My vintage Suntour 
>> thumb shifters from 1983 were better, and now I have a Riv silver thumbie 
>> on and it's also better. I suggest you buy one Riv silver thumbie and try 
>> that out. I clearly remember the PDF saying the stock shifters clicked but 
>> did not index. 
>>
>> Also, consider that the Altus rear derailleur is a $13 part. Maybe it's 
>> just not up for your rough rides on the train tracks? I have a silver 
>> thumbie with the SRAM GX 10 speed rear derailleur shifting a 9-speed 
>> cassette, and it works perfectly. I highly recommend it. It has a clutch on 
>> it so you can forget about chain slap and dropped chains. It's available 
>> for nice prices because the trend in mountain bikes is now 12 speeds. (A 
>> matching 10 speed click shifter is also available for cheap, but I haven't 
>> tried it.)
>>
>> I also have a narrow-wide chainring on the front. Perhaps you should 
>> consider one. How often are you using the biggest chainring? For me it's 
>> never (I took it off) because live in a city and commute so I rarely get up 
>> to speed for longer than 4 minutes. Are you regularly cruising above 15 
>> MPH? If not, go lower with your gearing. Wolf-Tooth and Stridsland both 
>> have excellent narrow-wide chainrings that will fit your cranks. Fewer 
>> moving parts is a nice thing for your bike. 
>>
>> I hope this helps. Happy riding. 
>>
>> Michael 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 11:40:52 PM UTC-4 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>>> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
>>> complete Clem.
>>>
>>> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
>>> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
>>> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
>>> force on the first two gears.
>>>
>>> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due 
>>> to the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
>>> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>>>
>>> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
>>> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
>>> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>>>
>>> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they 
>>> have some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide 
>>> with a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on 
>>> my part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
>>> stripped cogs. 
>>>
>>> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want 
>>> to but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
>>> situation? Thank you!
>>>
>>> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
>>> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
>>> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: shifter.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] I have questions

[DavidP]

Jumping on the "48s are fine" bandwagon: I have a roadish "gravel" bike 
with 650x48s (22mm inner width rims, Panaracer Pari-Moto rear, RH Juniper 
Ridge front) - it's plenty quick on pavement despite not being a dedicated 
paved road bike. At ~160lbs, I run 30psi.

The 650b wheels on the 50cm Platypus will reduce the gyroscopic effect when 
compared with a 700x48 tire, and you get you back some of the "nimbleness" 
Patrick mentioned that can be lost with wider tires. You may notice the 
650x48 handles more nimbly than your 700x42 Platypus (the reduced wheelbase 
will have an effect as well).

-Dave
On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 7:05:37 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> To take into account George's experience: I do use widish rims for the 
> 48s/50s: 27 mm IW Velocity Blunt SS's. But at 20 the Soma SV SLs handle 
> wonderfully on pavement. I agree that as the tires get fatter and the 
> pressures lower, small pressure differences make a big difference in 
> handling. 
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 5:03 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Agree, tho' IME a 48 mm tire will require considerably less pressure than 
>> a 42. I'm 170-175 and put ~35 psi in 42s but only 20 in 48s (that measure 
>> 50 on my rims); this for pavement riding, very supple tires. A lighter 
>> rider can use less.
>>
>> Jan has shown (and my Big Ones also show) that width does not necessarily 
>> affect rolling resistance. What width does do, IME, is reduce the 
>> "nimbleness" of handling.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 1:15 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> The actual speed difference between a similar quality 48mm and a 42mm 
>>> will be extremely small - I wouldn't sweat it at all! Probably like 0.1 mph 
>>> difference. Most of the perceived difference is all in our heads, based on 
>>> the squish-factor and the buzz they make on pavement, neither of which 
>>> necessarily relate to speed. I would simply air them up to the same 
>>> pressure you run on your 42mm tires for the speedy rides. The Gravel King 
>>> is a reasonably quick tire, no concerns there to me. 
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[DavidP]

Corbin, the nice about New Bike What? (as opposed to NBD) is that the bike 
has some dirt on it!

-Dave



On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:50:13 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi Rich -
>
> I can't take credit for the build. Mark Abele at Rivendell did it all. 
> Including getting the frame built by Mark Nobilette and painted by Joe Bell.
>
> Regards,
>
> CZ
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 12:36:55 PM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>
>> Corwin, an adventurous build for an adventure bike. You must have had a 
>> good time putting that one together. Love the result:-)))
>> Thanks for showing it off.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 2:53:45 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Corwin. I'm a pedal snob and love lightweight SPD-type pedals, 
>>> and there's a (earlier version?) pair of Micros on eBay for $25, but I just 
>>> read reviews of the Micros and apparently their cleats and SPD cleats 
>>> aren't compatible; too bad, since I have SPDs on all my bikes now. 
>>>
>>> Bike Radar weighed the Micro version they reviewed at 208 grams, lighter 
>>> even than the old Xpedo titanium spindle pedals with 180 lb weight limit in 
>>> my pedal stash, and a good 5 oz lighter than my go-to Dura Ace spds.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 12:30 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Patrick -

 Love the Richey Micros. They are one-sided and weighted to be in the 
 optimal position when you want to clip in.

 I've had lots of Schwalbe tires. I get flats on almost every ride with 
 G-Ones. But the Hurricanes have never flatted. I have them on three bikes 
 now: Hubbuhubbuh, Custom and Quickbeam. I really like the cushy ride of 
 supple tires. But a tire that flats nearly every time I ride is of no use 
 to me. Reliability is very important to me.

 Regards,

 CZ

 On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:03:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lovely and intriguing! Certainly an eclectic build -- that's a 
> positive. How do you like the Hurricanes and the Ritchey Micros?
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 10:42 AM John Bokman  
> wrote:
>
>> That ride looks like so much fun! Love the color pop of the Red 
>> brakes on Purple frameset. Reminds me of days on my 1994 Maroon 
>> mustached 
>> XO-3. Also my 1990 MB2 (because it was also purple). Thanks for posting 
>> Corwin.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:30:25 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Looks great, and I love the color, and the fat tires with 
>>> the Albastache combo.
>>>
>>> I think you win the Riv with the lowest bars award!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 2:03 AM Corwin Zechar  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's definitely not new bike day. That was back in the first week 
 of February. Not even New Bike Month. So it's New Bike Quarter?

 Anyway, I picked up my much anticipated and long-awaited custom 
 Rivendell last month. Some interesting aspects include:

 1) SRAM drop bar levers mounted on opposite sides (with respect to 
 normal drop bar mounting) on Nitto Albastache bars - as suggested by 
 Bill 
 Lindsay.

 2) A Fizik Aliante Gamma saddle recovered by Mick Peel in Australia 
 and sporting the Rivendell logo.

 3) A Rich Lesnik built wheelset with Onyx hubs and Velocity Quill 
 rims.

 4) SRAM rear derailer and SRAM bar-end shifters.

 5) Shimano Ultegra 6650 compact double crankset with TA 
 Specialities chainrings

 6) Chris King bottom bracket with outboard bearings.

 7) DT Swiss skewers.

 8) Custom lug carving by Mark Nobilette.

 9) Ritchey Micro Road pedals.

 10) Tektro CX 8.4 short-pull V-brakes.

 The main difference between my new custom and the old custom are 
 the cantilever posts and lug carving.

 I can report that my new custom feels just like my old custom - 
 wherever it is. I rode the bike in the Redlands Strada Rossa last 
 Saturday 
 and it performed flawlessly - despite my lack of experience on dirt 
 roads 
 and singletrack.

 A few photos illustrating the most salient aspects follow...

 Regards,


 Corwin

 [image: drivetrain.jpg][image: carvedLugs.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[DavidP]

"My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 miles to the trail 
and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage chipotle, beer, and post 
office runs."

That's about 60/40 pavement/trail, add in the errands and other stuff and 
it's more like 70/30.

What tire size is ideal for the trails you are riding? What tire size is 
the minimum to enjoy them? I'd probably try to aim for something in the 
lower half of that range given the pavement/trail mix and desire for the 
bike to feel sporty.

If the tire size is less than 2" then that opens up the Sam (48s w/o 
fenders). If you'd rather have something in the 2" - 2.25" range that's 
Appaloosa, Atlantis, Platypus territory. Larger than that Clem or Susie.

-Dave

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Sounds like you want the OG - the Atlantis. Here's Ron talking about his 
> third Atlantis, which is also the bike he bent the Albatross for to create 
> the Ortho bar:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_0qSPMps48
>
> The Sam is also a good alternative: shorter chainstays and a slightly 
> lighter frame. I don't own one but people report it is a bit nimbler on the 
> trails than the longer chainstay models.
>
> I'd exclude the Clem, the Susie/Gus, the Appaloosa, and the Platypus since 
> IMO they won't work as well with bendy bars with their longish 
> front-centers. I'd exclude the AHH, the Roadini, and the Roadeo since all 
> take caliper brakes which limits the tire widths for off road or unpaved 
> riding.
>
> Good luck and hope you find a bike (Riv or otherwise) that helps you with 
> your bike journey.
>
> --Ed C.
> Redondo Beach, CA
>
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7 Bud Suttree wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Been enjoying these forums for a while now, with my first post I’d like 
>> to lean on the immense collective wisdom here and get some help with 
>> picking out the right Rivendell model. I’ve done quite a lot of personal 
>> research and spoken to Riv at least once but would like to open things up 
>> to the group for general discussion. 
>>
>>
>> Short sketch of my problem: I love bicycles, but haven’t enjoyed riding 
>> them in a long time. I have quite a few, and they all are unpleasant to 
>> ride for one reason or another. My priorities are, in descending order: 
>> comfort, performance (perceived), utility, price/aesthetics (tie), 
>> performance (actual), and at the end would be the ability to do any 
>> outer-boundary/end-of-spectrum type activity, riding across the country or 
>> racing crits, etc. My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 
>> miles to the trail and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage 
>> chipotle, beer, and post office runs. 
>>
>>
>> Every time I browse the Riv offerings I become convinced I need a 
>> different model. I’m thinking maybe the Atlantis would suit me, but I don’t 
>> necessarily love the double top tube, and I’d probably be between the 57 
>> and 59. The Appaloosa seems pretty similar, but I’m not crazy about either 
>> of the current colors. Can’t say I can tell the difference between that one 
>> and the Sam, but I like the Sam aesthetic better. I’m also tempted by the 
>> gold Susie/Wolbis, but since I’ll be riding mostly around town, worry that 
>> it might not feel as agile as the bikes I’m use to riding do.
>>
>>
>> That’s the short version — would welcome any takes or opinions. 
>>
>>
>> Longer story:
>>
>>
>> Like the rest of you, I love bicycles. A substantial amount of my 
>> attention is given to them, day after day, in one way or another. 
>> Unfortunately, lately this has not translated into actually riding them 
>> very often. It’s a paradoxical state, induced by having too many (project) 
>> bikes, none of which I can tolerate to ride for more than half an hour. 
>> It’s mostly a comfort issue. FWIW, I am a not unhealthy late 20something 
>> male with probably poorish posture from desk-jockeying. I rode an aluminum 
>> Cannondale road bike daily for five years, crashed, broke some bones and 
>> swore it off for two, then entered this present cycle. 
>>
>>
>> Economic realities necessitate the need to flip bikes and parts to fund 
>> the passion. Maybe you think that’s a dirty trade; most are. I’ve had the 
>> good fortune to pick up an outrageously rare old school BMX bike for 
>> essentially nothing that should cover a very nice Rivendell build, and 
>> hopefully obviate the need to engage in as much cycling commerce. 
>>
>>
>> Along the way, I’ve acquired an interesting stable:
>>
>>- 93 Bridgestone RB-1 and MB-2 
>>- Custom 90s Ciocc w/ Columbus EL and Chorus 
>>- 93ish lugged Trek 990 
>>- 1985 Trek 620 
>>
>> and a cache of interesting parts, so it’s not been for nothing, but I 
>> don’t like riding any of those bikes. Had (still have?) big dreams for the 
>> RB-1, but cannot tolerate the reach. Have tried a bunch of stem/saddle 
>> options, no luck. Currently building it up w/ a Soma Highway 

[RBW] Re: NBD Leo Roadini

[DavidP]

Congrats on the new bike, Scott! Looks like a great build and a wonderful 
riding location!

-Dave

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 10:20:31 AM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> [image: IMG_6743.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction 9 V 10 speed

[DavidP]

My road bike is friction 2x10 with Riv Silver 2s on barend pods, Campy 
Veloce FD, Sugino 48/34 crank, Ultegra 11-30 cassette, and Ultegra 10 speed 
chain. Wonderful shifting. After initial setup I had some occasional 
slipping on the right shifter, requiring some snugging of the D-ring bolt 
by hand, but it's been holding fine for a while now.

I have other friction shifted bikes ranging from 7 speeds to 9 speeds in 
back and while they all work well shifting is easier on the bikes with more 
cogs.

-Dave

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:27:21 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:

> I have been friction  shifting my 10 speed campy set up. 11-26 X 44-28 
> Crank is Sugino. 
> Was not happy with performance , ghosts shifts up when spinning & down 
> when stomping the pedals.  
> Switched up to a 34-11 Shimano
> Nothing else changed 
> Seems to be working really well. 
>  
> Previous threads and literature suggests that the closer the cogs in 10 & 
> 11 speeds makes for better friction shifting.
>  
> What has been your experience?  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[DavidP]

I have the LBB 700x38s on a Sam-ish bike and they do just fine for mixed / 
gravel use. They are heavy, but can be run at low pressure for a dampened 
ride. They are true to size and bigger than the undersized 700x38 
GravelKing slicks I have on another bike. 

My Platypus has 700x50 GravelKing SKs (true to size) and they do well on 
pavement and have surprisng grip on dirt.

Panaracer is dropping the 700x43 size across the GravelKing line and going 
to 700x45, but you can still find 700x43 SKs for the time being.

Another option to consider is American Classic 700x45s - there is a range 
of tread styles so you could get a smoother rear and a knobbier front.

-Dave

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Maybe I’ll be alone in this, but… Just ride it! For the type of riding on 
> a Chev, microknobs/file tread doesn’t help much. If you run bigger 
> knobbies, it may actually be dangerous with the tire clearance maxed out. 
> Any stone picked up by the tread could jam against the fork or chain/seat 
> stays. Plus, they’ll fling more rocks and chip paint (or teeth, as I found 
> out once!). 
> I’d just lower the pressure a bit and see how it goes. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:57:42 AM UTC-6 R. Scott Lake wrote:
>
>> Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on 
>> flat trails in Lowcountry of SC.
>> Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
>> I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
>> Any suggestions? 
>> Panracers, Rene Herse?
>> Other?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thumb Shifter Advice

[DavidP]

Usually when reversing shifters for inside mounting the left is kept as the 
front shifter and the right as the rear. When you reverse index shifters in 
this way you are forced to swap the front/rear shifting so that the left 
shifts the rear. It's not wrong, just unconventional.

-Dave
On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the backup on my love of clicks. :) 
>
> I've got my Microshift 2x9 set up inside and indexed without cable routing 
> issues. Yes, they're reversed, but that takes about 30 seconds to get used 
> to. Is cable routing an issue with other options?
>
>  [image: PXL_20230930_181944351.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:41:50 AM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Because of the cable routing, inside mounted thumbshifters must be 
>> friction because they need to be reversed, left/right. That said, clicks 
>> are pretty great, you should run the expensive Shimano/Paul stuff, or the 
>> less expensive Microshift thumbies. And that said, of my three bikes, two 
>> are friction and also pretty great, but no inside thumbies for want of the 
>> indexing option should my friction fail (just kidding, about the last 
>> failing bit, not that other stuff).
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be building up one of the new Susies (in green) soon and I'm *debating 
>>> my thumb-shifter options*. Do you have some advice?
>>>
>>> I'll be setting up
>>>
>>>- 9-speed Shimano RD (RD-M952)
>>>- Triple Shimano FD (FD-M953) on a Silver Wide-low double
>>>- Inside-mount thumb shifters on Sim Works (Nitto) Ramble bars
>>>- Preferably, indexed shifting for the rear
>>>
>>> I know of
>>>
>>>- *Microshift*. I've got a lot of miles on their 11-speed thumb 
>>>shifter on my commuter and I get ghost shifts no matter how much I tweak 
>>>it. I have a lot fewer miles on their 2/3x9 pair on my 90s mountain bike 
>>>and they haven't given me trouble. 
>>>- *Paul Thumbie + Shimano SL-BS77*. Tempting, but expensive. Do you 
>>>have experience with this setup? Can you compare it with Microshift?
>>>- *Silver2*. Pretty, but not indexed and I'm a scared wimp. Can you 
>>>convince me friction shifting is the way to go?
>>>- *Are there other options* (including used or NOS) I should 
>>>consider?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance, 
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[DavidP]

Oooh, a new Sam - exciting!

1) Send Riv an email and get their recommendation, they're great with this 
stuff.

2) I'm a similar height but have an 87cm PBH. With your torso length I'm 
guessing you'll want more reach, the concern is the standover on the 54cm 
Sam if you max out the tires. Either way you'll probably want a long stem 
on that Albatross. My 58cm top tube Albatross bike has a 120mm stem. The 
drop tube bikes (Susie, Platypus, Clem) are great for getting a longer fit 
without worrying about standover; I'm on a 60cm Platypus and the reach is 
luxurious.

-Dave

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:43:16 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm thinking 
> I might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh and I don't know 
> if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared to my current 
> bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...
>
> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>
> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>
> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. 
>
> I would like to run Albatross bars and be comfy about it. 
>
> Which frame size should I choose? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Chainstay Ding Peer Review Request

[DavidP]

Chris, thanks for posting the update including photos of the final build. 
That's great looking Clem and nice touch up work! I love to hear stories of 
bikes being built around a single part, this may be the first I've heard of 
a bike being built around a set of tires!

Re: comparisons to the Platypus, the longer WB on the Clem may have 
something do to with it, though your tire selections definitely will make a 
difference. My Platy is built similarly to your Clem (50mm GravelKing SKs 
and 65cm Tosco bars).

Patrick, the Clem can do tires up to 2.6 or ~2.25 fendered. The Platypus 
can do ~2.1-2.2"; mine's running VO 63mm fenders over those 2" GravelKings.

-Dave

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 12:53:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks for the clarifications and precisions. I'm more auditory than 
> visual so I do appreciate the apercus of someone who is visual about the 
> Clem's appearance. Also, can the Clem take wider tires than the Platypus? 
> At any rate, if I ever get a Clem, it will be for dawdling about on 
> pavement and on sandy roads and trails so I'd need a minimum width of 48.
>
> Please do post more offroad photos of the Clem.
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:32 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
>> Patrick 
>>
>>
>> I almost, and probably should have, refrained from comparing the Clem 
>> with the Platypus. 
>>
>>
>> I built the 60cm Platypus with 42mm Graveling SS tires and Crust Juan 
>> Martin bars, front rack, often with a beloved little dog in the front 
>> basket rack. The Clem is a 64cm with Tosco bars, 48mm Oracle Ridge tires, 
>> and no racks. Surely all of that is part of the change. 
>>
>>
>> It feels a little more sure - to me - with the type of riding I’m doing 
>> now: a little less road, a few more rocky trails (images to follow in 
>> another thread). 
>>
>>
>> I’m highly visual, and while I couldn’t argue that the Platypus is the 
>> more objectively beautifully built frame, there’s something downright 
>> compelling to me about the largest Clem and the way the top and down tubes 
>> diverge at the steerer tube, and the way my somewhat dyslexic brain works, 
>> that translate to *me* finding myself more at home on this build; it feels 
>> a bit more like an extension of me, or maybe I just feel more sure with the 
>> Clem in the type of riding I’m doing now. I’ve grown more accustomed to 
>> riding upright, and maybe that extra inch or so of chainstay suits the 
>> riding I’m doing now.  
>>
>>
>> - Chris
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Belated Ride Report: Redlands Strada Rossa

[DavidP]

Great report, Corwin - and nice to see your new custom back on the dirt. 
Sounds like you stretched yourself quite a bit on this one and made it 
through - congrats!

-Dave

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-4 ttoshi wrote:

> Wow, adventurous ride! Nice job finishing it.
> You’ve motivated me to think about a mixed terrain ride later this year.
>
> Thanks for sharing,
> Toshi
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:09 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> Sorry. I took more photos, but seem to have previously filled the disk on 
>> my camera with unrelated pics.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Evening Spring Ride on the Clem

[DavidP]

"Palm sized" is how I'd describe the Carson MiniScout 7x18 I take along on 
trail rides and other rides when I don't expect to be using them much or 
are too rough to bring more expensive binoculars. Tiny, expendable, very 
small eye relief, but surprisingly decent handling for the size. 

A 6x18 monocular is smaller but the bins give a better view.

-Dave

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:35:55 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Yes; please keep them coming.
>
> Aside, to all: suggestions for a usable but inexpensive, small, and easily 
> stowable binocular or monocular for very casual sightings while riding 
> around? For some reason I lost or tossed a nice palm-size binocular and I'd 
> like to replace with with something that easily fits into a rear jersey 
> pocket.
>
>
> Patrick "I see a Clem in my future, but only after fettling the new M 1:1 
> knobby wheelset and the beater Libertas build" Moore
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 8:42 AM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Chris - very much enjoyed your ride report and always great to 
>> see photos! 
>>
>> I also like to bring binos on bike rides, and find a stem bag is a great 
>> way to have them easily accessible (requires folding/pocket bins - I use a 
>> pair of Bushnell Legend 10x25 for this).
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 1:51:56 AM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> I took advantage of the intermission in rains here on California’s 
>>> Central Coast for a short and easy trail ride this evening. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd started running again and enjoying something like a 10k loop along 
>>> this trail for the past year, and recently wondered why I never bother to 
>>> take a bike here: it's a quicker way to grab the binos and do some 
>>> occasional birding. A Clem seemed like a good candidate for stepping off in 
>>> sketchy sections, and for portaging with its low top tube. 
>>>
>>>
>>> This was its first ride into the trees!  
>>>
>>>
>>> The trees seemed to be enjoying the frogs making happy noise in the 
>>> creek, the air was cool, not much breeze, and the (new to me) Clem cruised 
>>> nicely over the winter’s leaves, the drying trails, and lots of exposed 
>>> rock from a generously wet winter. Shall I ride the bike when I go hear 
>>> Suzanne Simard speak in a couple weeks?
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1128.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1132.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1137.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy the photos as much as I enjoyed the (short) ride, 
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[DavidP]

Robert - the geometry comparison highlights the point I was going to make 
that given your PBH, the 650b will likely have better standover clearance 
if you want to run tires at the larger end of the Homer's range.

My rough stuff road bike has disc brakes so could take either 650b or 700c 
wheels. Since I was wanting to run wider tires I went with 650x48 to get 
the extra 16mm standover in a frame size that is near the cusp of what I 
can clear.

That comparison shows a much larger difference in standover, as well as 
other differences that make it look to me like the 650b will be a better 
fit for your proportions.

-Dave

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:36:56 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Thanks Bill! That's helpful. The colors are the same on both offerings and 
> the 650B's build is essentially what I would do to the 700c (with the help 
> of my lovely LBS, of course). I'm not really too concerned with resale 
> value, but rather the general riding experience. I suppose I could simply 
> research the litany of 650b vs 700c threads out there to learn more about 
> this. The geometry between the two are slightly different, however. 
>
> The BikeInsights chart attached below shows the 700c to be quite a bit 
> taller than the 650b, which I wonder if that translates into overall 
> comfort with regards to standover and handling.  
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:22:15 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> If it were me the decision is close enough that I'd probably leave it to 
>> the surrounding details of each transaction.  I'm a particularly snobby and 
>> self-absorbed curator of "builds" so that would be a huge vote in favor of 
>> the 700 because it's a frame, unless the curator of the 650b build did a 
>> lot of the things I would have done.  The effective "labor cost" of doing a 
>> build is essentially zero for me.  Is one a shop and the other a person? 
>>  That would have some weight for me.  If the shop was one that I could 
>> frequent, putting money in the register of a shop reaps benefits down the 
>> road.  If the person was one that I had particular respect for, that could 
>> tilt me a different way.  
>>
>> Then there's color!  
>>
>> but...if we took it to a purely hypothetical situation, and asserted they 
>> were both frames, both in identical condition, at the same price, and from 
>> the same seller, so the real and only difference was 650B vs 700, then I'd 
>> probably lean 700 because the 700 wheel on the 54.5 is "the latest", and 
>> probably has a tiny bit better future proof resale value.  If that wasn't 
>> the case and it really was completely wheel size then I'd personally 
>> probably lean 650B for a Hilsen, but it would be like a vote of 52 to 48, 
>> and my leaning may change on another day.
>>
>> Both are great bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
>>> within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with a 
>>> 83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making 
>>> this decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price difference 
>>> is negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a 
>>> complete bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost 
>>> is about equal for both). 
>>>
>>> I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded paths. 
>>>
>>> Thoughts? :) 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

[DavidP]

The Atlantis looks great, but I love that Trek.

-Dave

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:24:18 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit my 
> short torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in the 
> photo for posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a reference. 
> It's a 61cm Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to top 
> of saddle). Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, quick 
> shipping, & friendliness. 
> [image: IMG_5528.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5527.jpg]
>
> Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & some 
> parts I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job on it 
> and used an old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the 
> cantilever bosses and a few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s 
> in there now but it could probably clear a 48. 
> [image: IMG_5529.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5530.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5531.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Favorite clip-in/flat pedal combo?

[DavidP]

John,

I use SPD pedals on my "pure" road bike, my most road-ish mixed surface 
bikes get combo pedals, and everything else gets flat pedals.
For combo SPD/flat pedals, I have the VP-R62 on one bike, which seems no 
longer available. But I have a few pairs of the very similar Venzo dual 
function pedals: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084GHVVFP/

They all work great, but I prefer the ones with at least a few pins on the 
flat side. The silver VP pedals have them, but the Venzo's that are most 
like the VPs do not - only a concern if you must have silver.

-Dave

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:42:16 PM UTC-4 Glen wrote:

> Following on to this; has anyone here used the MKS ezy pedal system to 
> easily swap between flats and clipless?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:41:02 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Rivsters: 
>>
>> I've ridden many many years on Speedplay Frogs with great enjoyment.
>> I've also ridden for years on flat pedals (MKS Sylvan Touring are my 
>> favorite) with great enjoyment.
>>
>> I'm now curious about trying something I thought I'd never try: A 
>> clipless-flat combo pedal.  Because there are times  - especially on longer 
>> rides - when I want more foot support than my flat pedals provide. (Yes, 
>> I've used larger flat pedals - VP Vice - and found no effective difference 
>> to my MKS Sylvan in this regard.)
>>
>> So for those of you who still ride clipless, and who in fact use a combo 
>> pedal: What's your favorite?
>>
>> John
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[DavidP]

My Platypus requires 116 + 12 links. I use two chains with two quicklinks. 
I don't bother about spacing the quicklinks equally between two 64 link 
sections but others may.

-Dave

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 12:51:46 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and 
> buy one close. 
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:47:47 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rivendell themselves buy "chain" in enormous continuous bulk, so they can 
>> use a single chain for a build.  I buy my long chains from Riv.  In the 
>> past, when I've been impatient and wanted to do something in the stand 
>> "RIGHT NOW" I've just used two quick links and a subset of a second chain. 
>>  Sometimes, what's left of the second chain is still long enough for a 
>> single speed build, etc.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:57:12 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long 
>>> chain, longer than a single chain.
>>>
>>> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
>>> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
>>> chain?
>>>
>>> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>>>
>>> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Cockpit bag/cup holder

[DavidP]

My Platypus has an Outer Shell Stem Caddy 
, which I've used to carry water 
bottles (of various shapes and sizes), a camera, binoculars, or my phone. 
One feature is the webbing that runs along the bottom allowing another 
strap to be passed underneath if you want to stabilize using the fork crown 
or - as I do - run a strap to your front rack, fulfilling the dual purpose 
of stabilizing your bag and also providing the Riv suggested safety 
strap/support for certain front racks.

-Dave

On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 5:45:20 PM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Another vote for Randi Jo’s Bartender (specifically her “Plus” model 
> because it has an extra external pocket - I sometimes fit my iPhone in 
> there when other stuff is in the main compartment):
> [image: EJR05663_600x.jpg]
>
> Bartender Plus 
> randijofab.com 
> 
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2024, at 5:24 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> This one:
>
>
> 
>
> Mountain Feedbag - Cockpit 
> 
> revelatedesigns.com 
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>  
> 
>
>
>
> --Eric Norris
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> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Apr 29, 2024, at 1:46 PM, James  wrote:
>
> What is the best cockpit cup holder ya'll have explored and used?  Ideally 
> it could alos hold a phone at times, and be somewhat versatile with cups, 
> bottles, etc. 
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[RBW] Re: Drops vs albatross. Easy to swap or do I need two bikes?

[DavidP]

While it's possible to swap back and forth between Albatross bars and drop 
bars, and there are some setup tricks that could facilitate this, I would 
not be eager to do it regularly.

As Mathias demonstrated you'd need a much longer stem on the Albatross bike 
(30-40mm longer) to have similar positions, which can make cabling that 
works for both tricky.

Using downtube shifters would completely eliminate the need to touch the 
shifters and cabling. I have a bike that has the front shifter on the 
downtube and the rear shifter on a thumbie mount clamped to the stem - a 
setup that also would require no change to swap stem and bar. Hinged 
thumbies clamped to the bar could be setup with cable lengths that would 
work with both bar/stem combos. Bar end shifters would be the most work, 
requiring the cable to be pulled for each swap.

Brakes are trickier, but cable disconnects designed for travel bikes could 
be one way to speed up the required cable swap.

I'd be more inclined to setup two bikes and differentiate them a bit in use 
(e.g. put racks and a basket on the Albatross bike), which is how I 
"justify" my overlapping bikes.

Sam and Appaloosa would be a good pairing, though I'd be tempted to go with 
a Homer for a bit more separation.

-Dave

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 7:11:58 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> You could build the Sam with Albatross bars and it would serve your needs 
> perfectly as a graveler and bike path cruiser. You could also do that 100 
> mile ride with Albatross bars if you wanted. That said I do understand the 
> desire for drops. I have those on my Sam. I've also had Billie bars and 
> Albatross as well. All were great but different.  Swapping bars is not that 
> difficult but there is an expense. You'll need a different stem, levers, 
> grips. While doable to swap it wouldn't be practical to swap back in forth.
>
> If you wanted to add a second bike either a Appaloosa or an Atlantis with 
> upright bars would be a great choice. These bikes are different enough from 
> the Sam to justify the additional bike in your stable. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 2:23:08 AM UTC-4 Michael wrote:
>
>> Looking for a single bike for casual rides on bike 
>> paths/paved/gravel/dirt roads with the occasional 100 mile ride thrown in. 
>> Will suggest the Sam Hillborne, which I'm leaning towards. I assumed I 
>> would build it with drops for the long rides but I recently fell in love 
>> with albatross bars for upright lazy bike path rides. 
>> Is there a way to quickly/easily swap handlebars or are two bikes 
>> inevitable? 
>> Would a Sam with drops and an appaloosa or atlantis w/ albatross be a 
>> good combo or is that too much overlap? 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[DavidP]

I'd imagine you'd want to slice the grips anyway to provide a channel for 
the shift cables to run through, so slicing then wrapping should be fine. 

You could also twine along with bar tape. Here are a few variations on 
that: 
https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/16815/
https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/16524/
https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/16827/
https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/16521/

-Dave

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:37:14 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[DavidP]

If you don't have a cruiser-y / townie type bike for more laid back or 
utilitarian rides, and you have the space and ability to have another bike 
then I'd definitely recommend an additional bike for this. Though if you 
have a couple of aggressive drop bar bikes it's certainly possible to 
convert one for this use.

Albatross and Billie bars are versatile because they can be setup to offer 
a range of back angle positions depending on where you place your hands. 
 I've found that using a stem 30-40mm longer than my drop bar stem puts the 
grips of the Albatross bar in a more upright position than the tops of the 
drop bar, and moving my hands up to the bends feels like riding on the 
hoods. You can get even lower by moving into the hooks of the Albatross bar 
and bending your elbows. 

Tosco bars (which I have on my Platypus) can do similar things but are just 
a bit less roadish.

On most sweptback bars my primary cruising position is usually between the 
grips and the bends with the heel of the my hand resting on the grips, the 
palm of my hand over the brake lever clamp (a low profile clamp is good 
here), and a couple of fingers resting on/forward of the brake lever body.

You asked if sweptback bars might be good for riding 1-2 hours. They 
certainly are, but with the range of positions they offer they are also 
good for rides even longer than that!

-Dave





On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:58:54 AM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> Thanks for the responses!  Keep’em coming
>
> Tim had some good questions, I’ve tried to answer these below:
>
> “…off the bike?”
> - I have a desk job but I use a sit / stand desk.  Years ago when I got 
> this, it was a revelation, and really helped a much worse than now, neck; 
> however, I notice my legs get tired when I’m standing, and again, if I go 
> for a ride after work, and I’ve been sitting/standing 50-50, my tired legs, 
> I believe contribute to feeling sluggish on the bike, and perhaps a poor 
> posture as I have limited power
> - I walk a lot, stretch, and practice good posture off the bike
>
>
> I thought I would add that I visit my chiropractor for an adjustment every 
> three weeks. The days shortly after, I am more comfortable on the bike. 
>  For example, two days after my last adjustment I did a road ride with my 
> friend, 85km with wind and even snow, I felt great. A few days ago I did a 
> 60km ride with my friend on a perfect day with very little wind, and was 
> really sore.  I have a chiro appointment tonight.  As I get close to the 
> end of that three weeks, I can feel more pain and thus attribute what’s 
> happening to the spine in the three weeks in between adjustments.  This is 
> the closest I have to a good diagnosis!
>
> Jason
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 7:50 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> 
>
> There is a lot to unpack here but I think I get the basic gist of what you 
> are asking. For reference I ride a drop bar AHH, a drop bar Sam and a 
> Billie bar'd Platy. I'm an older rider and I too suffer some aches and 
> pains while riding. Nothing debilitating but it is noticeable. Sometimes 
> more than others. Like you I experience some aches in my C spine between 
> the shoulder blades. This is from holding my head in a position to see the 
> road in front of me. I am also seated at a computer most of the day while 
> working which can be harmful to your posture if you aren't vigilant. 
>
>  I am not so certain your pain is related to not maintaining a good 
> posture on the bike while riding. I'm not a medical professional and I 
> don't think you would come here for medical advice. At least I hope not 
> LOL! 
>
> I would want to know what you are doing off the bike. You didn't say what 
> you did for work but if are spending your days sitting at a desk and then 
> you hop on your bike to go ride. Your body is in a hunched position all day 
> long and then you are in the same position while you pedal. If that were 
> the case I could see how some aches and pains could crop up. 
>
> Riding an upright style bike on days where you aren't feeling it may help 
> but I'd be more inclined to shorten your ride or not ride at all. Also pay 
> attention to your posture off the bike. Having awareness of your posture 
> during your day to day life will be more beneficial then only making those 
> adjustments while riding. 
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:56:14 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Jay,
>>
>> I have been a roadie for 53 years. I retired my road bike sixteen years 
>> ago. I was growing old. I became tired of riding in the drops. I wanted to 
>> ride upright. My posture in my neck and shoulders were hunched over. 
>>
>> Over the many years, it became a struggle with me trying to find a 
>> bicycle that I could fall in love with again. I went through about four 
>> different bicycles. 
>>
>> In the fall of 2022, I purchased my first Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>> bicycle. It was a 59cm. Over the course of a little over a year, I 
>> concluded that t

Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[DavidP]

Another Ricoh GR user - my 1st gen is still going strong nearly after 10 
years. Still love the image quality. Almost upgraded to a GRIII last year 
(mostly for IS), but decided to stick with the one I have.

I bought the GR after my RX100 failed (stuck lens mechanism) because I 
wasn't careful about where I stored it on a bike ride (fairly obvious but 
don't let your camera sit in a bag that comes into contact with a frame 
tube). My favorite features of the RX100 were the pano mode and the custom 
self-timer (basically a built in intervalometer).

I sometimes stick my EOS R with a small lens in a waist pack, but usually 
bring the GR in a stem bag or handlebar bar bag (just no contact with the 
bike!).

-Dave

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:49:37 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I typically leave my phone home when I go out for rides, unless I’m 
> commuting to work. GR IIIx works well for me. It fits easily into a loosely 
> cinched stem bag, where I can grab it whenever I want. I shoot exclusively 
> in snap focus mode on this camera. Quick and easy. Occasionally I even take 
> nice pictures.
>
> Bones
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 12:27:54 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I enjoy the sometimes very good quality (composition as well as 
>> reproductive quality) of the photos shared on this list, so all you good 
>> photographers please buy better cameras.
>>
>> Me, I'd like to learn how to take distance shots with an old iPhone, tho' 
>> very possibly it's not possible. I tried to take a wide shot of Canada 
>> geese and white (crested?) herons and various other wildfowl yesterday at a 
>> nearby nature open space but the results were so poor that I had to discard 
>> them. [I don't want an additional apparatus of a dedicated camera.]
>>
>> I remember there was an iBoblist fad back in the early aughts, before 
>> this list existed, of taking bike ride photos with those very primitive and 
>> very cheap early-Chinese manufacturing stick cameras that you could pick up 
>> for $4 or even as free giveaways everywhere, then uploading them via some 
>> file management system using a software with very primitive user interface. 
>> I was surprised at the quality of some of these photos, including distance 
>> and even panoramic shots; all these with unadjustable plastic lenses. Kent 
>> Peterson IIRC posted some wonderful photos this way, and even I managed 
>> some that were as good as most I take with my iPhone8. 
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:53 AM Keith P.  wrote:
>>
>>> “Bicycles” is a sport you can spend just about as much as you want to on 
>>> - so it stands to reason that so many of you seem to be enamored with the 
>>> “money-pit” hobby of photography as well.
>>>
>>> All of us have our phone cameras with us on bike rides, but do you have 
>>> a secondary carry? How do you like it? Is this enough of a Rivendell 
>>> related topic to merit being on here? Perhaps as long as we post photos of 
>>> us taking photos, whilst *on* our bikes.
>>>
>>> Either way, I appreciated everyone’s responses on the hijacked *Springtime 
>>> Photos *thread enough to compile some images:
>>>
>>> [image: Bracaglia-OlympusXA-04.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Keith Paugh - Olympus XA
>>>
>>> I recently picked up this little gem. It fits perfectly in the back 
>>> pocket of a jersey. Maybe not the sharpest camera out there, but I’m not 
>>> the sharpest photographer either. 
>>>
>>> [image: Olympuszoom80_CuteCameraCo_Front_1400x.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Ian M. - Olympus Stylus Epic
>>>
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