[RBW] Thumb Shifter Advice

[Aaron Wilson]

I'll be building up one of the new Susies (in green) soon and I'm *debating 
my thumb-shifter options*. Do you have some advice?

I'll be setting up

   - 9-speed Shimano RD (RD-M952)
   - Triple Shimano FD (FD-M953) on a Silver Wide-low double
   - Inside-mount thumb shifters on Sim Works (Nitto) Ramble bars
   - Preferably, indexed shifting for the rear

I know of

   - *Microshift*. I've got a lot of miles on their 11-speed thumb shifter 
   on my commuter and I get ghost shifts no matter how much I tweak it. I have 
   a lot fewer miles on their 2/3x9 pair on my 90s mountain bike and they 
   haven't given me trouble. 
   - *Paul Thumbie + Shimano SL-BS77*. Tempting, but expensive. Do you have 
   experience with this setup? Can you compare it with Microshift?
   - *Silver2*. Pretty, but not indexed and I'm a scared wimp. Can you 
   convince me friction shifting is the way to go?
   - *Are there other options* (including used or NOS) I should consider?

Thanks in advance, 
Aaron

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[RBW] Re: Thumb Shifter Advice

[Aaron Wilson]

Thanks Jim! I'll have to ask around to see if I can try some. Maybe I 
should switch my Microshift 9-speed shifter to friction to test the waters 
in the mean time. 

Glen, I used to use rapid fire, but really like how compact and simple 
thumb shifters are. When my 11-speed commuter ghost shifts, I do miss the 
reliability of a trigger shifter though. 

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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Aaron Wilson]

Maybe it is just a white balance issue. They just look so starkly 
different. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 11:50:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be 
> indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding. 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
>> pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
>> different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
>> orange...
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Aaron Wilson]

Thanks Tio Ryan. 

Of note, my green Susie just shipped. Exciting. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:24:54 PM UTC-6 tio ryan wrote:

> I have a sergio green platypus and the color is much more like the riv 
> pics than the blue lug image — the tan sidewalls on the wtb tires looks off 
> as well. 
>
> rest assured, sergio green is a lovely color in person (imo) 
>
> -tio in bk 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Maybe it is just a white balance issue. They just look so starkly 
>> different. 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 11:50:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be 
>>> indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
 pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
 different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
 orange...




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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Aaron Wilson]

Good catch. Not a lot of other sources for photos yet, but this Instagram 
post seems to have the ones from Riv's site. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/C66GqP7OwjN/?img_index=1 

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 1:33:45 PM UTC-6 jdura...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm curious about the DT shifter bosses.  Different on the Blue Lug vs the 
> Riv photos.
> Maybe I missed something in one of Will's emails?  Either way, beautiful 
> frames.
> Jim
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:08:57 PM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tio Ryan. 
>>
>> Of note, my green Susie just shipped. Exciting. 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:24:54 PM UTC-6 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I have a sergio green platypus and the color is much more like the riv 
>>> pics than the blue lug image — the tan sidewalls on the wtb tires looks off 
>>> as well. 
>>>
>>> rest assured, sergio green is a lovely color in person (imo) 
>>>
>>> -tio in bk 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Maybe it is just a white balance issue. They just look so starkly 
 different. 

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 11:50:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be 
> indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding. 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
>> pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
>> different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
>> orange...
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Will the 50cm Susie be too small?

[Aaron Wilson]

You might want to compare the stack and reach of your bikes with the Susie, 
but you'll need to be careful. If you've added a lot of headset spacers (or 
a long quill stem) to your bikes to get them upright, that'll effectively 
increase their stack and decrease their reach (because of the angle of the 
headtube). The Susie has a pretty high stack, so you'd probably need fewer 
spacers to get the bar height you want (making its reach feel greater if 
you just compared the frame specs to bikes where you used more spacers). 

Does that make sense? Please, someone correct me if I'm thinking about this 
wrong. 
On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 1:34:17 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey y’all, longtime lurker here. Looking to potentially pick up my first 
> Riv and have a few questions about sizing. Maybe someone with similar 
> measurements and own a Susie/Gus could chime in. 
>
> I’m looking at the 50cm in gold color. Riv says:
>
>
>- 50cm  (650B wheels): 74-76cm. Saddle height: 63cm to 65cm
>- 53cm (650B wheels):  77-88cm. Saddle height: 66cm to 77cm
>
> My PBH is: 76.5cm-78cm measured multiple times. I’m 5’6 with a longer 
> torso. 
>
> Saddle height: 64cm (most of my bikes are Riv inspired vtg MTBs with 
> upright bars and this feels comfy for me)
>
> Seems like I'm on the edge between Med / Small. Can the small fit without 
> feeling too cramped? FWIW, I rode a Gus test bike years ago at Rivelo here 
> in PDX while it was still open. They were fantastic, but unfortunately I 
> can't remember if I rode a small or med size frame.  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Aaron Wilson]

My 64cm Homer frameset is being delivered tomorrow and I wonder if you all 
can suggest some tires. 

I'm looking for 

   - About 40mm width
  - Let's go with between 35 and 45 mm
   - For 97% pavement 
  - Not always great pavement
  - Won't explode if I rode on some hardpacked dirt
   - A nice balance of supple and puncture resistant 
  - I'm ok with the occasional flat, but I don't want it to be a 
  constant chore
   - Tubeless 
   - To help with punctures (we've got goat heads)
  - With sidewalls that won't bleed all the time
   - Pricey if needed to achieve this (budget $200)

Candidates so far

   - Rene Herse (with endurance casing?)
   - Gravelking slicks (plus?)


Thanks, 
Aaron

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[RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Aaron Wilson]

Thanks everyone! Seems like I'll probably go Gravelking Slick non-plus. The 
price is nicer, too. 

I'll read up on Cavas, though. Thanks David and Johnny. 

Patrick, I haven't used ultra-light Rene Herse, but my standard-casing 
knobby 26x2.3 Rene Herse tires do weep through the sidewalls. Not terribly, 
but noticeably. 

Hoch, I run Marathon Allmotion on my city bike/commuter/grocery getter (a 
pretty nice & discreet Surly Cross Check). I like that kind of tire on a 
bike that you want to be super-reliable, but they ride pretty hard. I want 
to try to maximize the supple-ness of my new Homer as much as possible 
without getting a million flats. 

Aaron

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:59:52 PM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Maybe not what you’re looking for. But on my Appaloosa, I prefer something 
> that leans more stout/puncture  resistant like Schwalbe Marathon Plus or 
> Continental Ride Tours. I currently have 700x47 ride tours, which seem to 
> measure bang on 41mm at 40psi. 
> On a Riv with nice flexy fork, I really can’t tell much difference between 
> the Schwalbe or Conti’s and RH, GK, or Ultradynamico I’ve tried. They all 
> ride really nice. But the Schwalbe/Conti seem to last 2 to 4x longer. And I 
> haven’t had a flat even with goat heads around here. Knock on wood. 
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 11:17:14 AM UTC-6 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My 64cm Homer frameset is being delivered tomorrow and I wonder if you 
>> all can suggest some tires. 
>>
>> I'm looking for 
>>
>>- About 40mm width
>>   - Let's go with between 35 and 45 mm
>>- For 97% pavement 
>>   - Not always great pavement
>>   - Won't explode if I rode on some hardpacked dirt
>>- A nice balance of supple and puncture resistant 
>>   - I'm ok with the occasional flat, but I don't want it to be a 
>>   constant chore
>>- Tubeless 
>>- To help with punctures (we've got goat heads)
>>   - With sidewalls that won't bleed all the time
>>- Pricey if needed to achieve this (budget $200)
>>
>> Candidates so far
>>
>>- Rene Herse (with endurance casing?)
>>- Gravelking slicks (plus?)
>>
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Aaron
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Aaron Wilson]

Shopping for tires is exhausting. I said I'd decided, but I lied. 🙃

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/ is pretty handy, but they don't
tell you how durable tires are and the puncture tests, while handy, don't
always seem to reflect real-world experience.

In the end I want a tubeless tire that's as light and supple as possible
without being a continuously annoying tire (too puncture-prone, too
short-lived, or too weepy). These things are in conflict with each other.

It's an impossible decision. I'd better just order something and get on
with my life. Thanks again for all your input and, if anyone else wants to
throw a wrench into the whole thing and tell me I'm barking up the wrong
tree, feel free.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 10:25 AM Will Boericke  wrote:

> Interesting on the UDs, running the Cava now and it's been great (black,
> non tubeless).  In contrast, my use of the Ribmos was disappointing.  I
> commuted on them for a year and they are SLOW.   Not quite Gatorskin slow,
> but not fast.  Replaced with Paselas there.  What the Ribmo does have going
> for it is longevity - that tread is so thick I bet you could get 20K miles
> out of a pair.
>
> So, many opinions on tires, but we knew that.
>
> Will
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 12:14 PM Richard Hardman 
> wrote:
>
>> I am currently liking the Panaracer Ribmo, rather than the Gravel King,
>> because it's "slicker" less tread, but still works on dirt or hard-pack
>> gravel, and I'm riding mostly on the road, paved or not.  I really wanted
>> to like the Ultradynamico Rose Race (the grey ones) because they look so
>> cool, but running them tubeless was a disaster; i could never get the tan
>> sidewalls to stop leaking no matter how much I tried.
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:03:45 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> Thanks for that input. I'm aligned with Aaron's original post, only very
>>> rarely taking a cautious ride in the dirt, and am about to purchase either
>>> some RH Snoqualmie Pass (700x44s) or GK slicks (not planning on the plus),
>>> and will run the tires with tubes.
>>>
>>> Mine will go on a Clem, and I only go fast uphill.
>>>
>>> I've run GK SS 700x43s, and GK slick plus 700x38s, which were OK, but I
>>> had no need for the tread. Looking for something that feels more like my
>>> Conti 700x35s.
>>>
>>> I so appreciate any further inputs on RH vs GK slicks before I purchase
>>> ... tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 5:53:41 PM UTC-7 Will Boericke wrote:
>>>


- In that size, I would 100% choose GK slicks.  In my experience,
more bombproof than RH.  Setup tubeless easier, from interwebs reports 
 (I
only run RH with tubes in my stable) and relatively cheap.  I have not 
 used
the GK plus tires and have been generally happy with the puncture
resistance of the regular (if you don't do dumb things like bombing 
 thru a
rock garden in the dark like I just did this weekend, tearing a hole in 
 my
650x38 GKs.

 Will
 On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:

> I have RH I like but feel like my GK SKs are kinda bomb proof and more
> reasonably priced.
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel,
>> sand, and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except
>> the RH ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even
>> ultralighter Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights 
>> by
>> 100+ grams per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless,
>> and without weeping sealant.
>>
>> I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.
>>
>> Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless
>> and sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats on the Homer!
>>>
>>> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd
>>> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing
>>> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rare 71cm Waterford Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen Complete Bike

[Aaron Wilson]

Very cool. I wish the images were larger. I'd love to see some detail. I 
love the double horizontal top tube. My 64's bottom one is curved. I'm 
curious. What's the top-tube length? (I'm sure it's too long for me. I have 
a 99 cm PBH but I'm two inches shorter than you–all legs.)

Thanks, 
Aaron

On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 1:34:49 PM UTC-7 Joe K. wrote:

> On a side note, I'm 6'6" with a 99 cm PBH.  Anyone my size or bigger would 
> love this bike!
>
> Joe
>
> On Friday, December 13, 2024 at 10:53:43 AM UTC-8 Joe K. wrote:
>
>> It really is a dream machine and would have fit Mr. Walton well! 
>>  Attaching some more pics!
>> [image: IMG_0560.jpeg][image: IMG_0561.jpeg][image: IMG_0562.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0563.jpeg][image: IMG_0564.jpeg][image: IMG_0565.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_0566.jpeg]
>>
>> On Thursday, December 12, 2024 at 5:29:16 PM UTC-8 rus...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill Walton, RIP, would have loved such a bike. The double top tube was 
>>> perfect on such a tall frame. Gave it an aesthetic appeal.
>>>
>>> Russell Duncan
>>> Western Massachusetts 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 12, 2024 at 7:57:18 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>> NY wrote:
>>>
 Dream machine! Waterford made, I think? Clearances? Unfortunately, I’m 
 as short of cash as I am long of leg, and can’t afford a lovely bike right 
 now, but I (and most everyone else) want to know more! And see more, if 
 you 
 wouldn’t mind some close ups. It’s a rare bird…
 And apologies for asking, but what else you got hanging in the garage? 
 Any more biggies? So many medium sized Rivendells show up on here, show 
 them bigs!
 Thanks for sharing
 -Kai

 On Thursday, December 12, 2024 at 4:09:26 PM UTC-5 Joe K. wrote:

> Bike was purchased direct and built by Riv in 2013.  All components 
> from Riv: Albatross bars, Dura ace bar end shifters, Nitto stem and 
> seatpost, silver cranks, Brooks saddle, and Shimano derailleurs.  Bike 
> has 
> been stored in garage and is in pristine condition.  Not ridden much over 
> the last 7 or so years.  This size is no longer produced by Rivendell and 
> would require a custom order. Asking $3,000, please message me if 
> interested.  Bike is located in Orange County, CA.  Thanks!
>
>
> [image: IMG_4132.jpeg][image: IMG_4133.jpeg][image: IMG_4134.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_4142.jpeg]
>


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Re: [RBW] ABQ NM Riv Ride?

[Aaron Wilson]

If I weren't recovering from a long hospital stay and some pesky kidney 
failure, I'd be in. Keep me in the loop for some fall rides when I'll 
(hopefully) be back in the saddle. 

Aaron

On Tuesday, July 8, 2025 at 9:48:46 PM UTC-6 nmtr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Please do give the boblist a try. I'm glad to hear you are getting some 
> nice rides in. This is one of my least favorite times of the year due to 
> the heat, but so long as I can get out early, it works. and I have had some 
> really nice rides this summer.  
>
> We are going to Costa Rica July 19-27, so probably sometime after that. 
> And then I have trip to Utah August 5-10, and a camping trip to Colorado 
> Aug 17-21. Somehow everything got bunched later in the Summer. 
>
> Let me know how the boblist goes. So far no replies from RBW, but the 
> posting has barely been up.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 6:55 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Three will be a fine group.
>>
>> Do you want me to advertise on the Boblist? Probably few Rivendell riders 
>> who are not on the RBW list, but we may get a few sympathetic souls; there 
>> is even more ideological overlap between the lists than membership overlap, 
>> and both groups started with Grant.
>>
>> Bikes and Coffee: no, I’ve not been there, but I would be delighted to 
>> try it out.
>>
>> Let’s wait for a couple of days to see if others respond. IME, many RBW 
>> list members don’t read the list every day.
>>
>> I had a nice fixed gear 27 mile rolling hills ride this morning with a 
>> friend (on a Black Mountain Monster Cross 2X11) and I am surprised at how 
>> good I feel afterward. I would have gone a full 35 miles but I didn’t eat 
>> breakfast and didn’t bring a snack, so bailed as my blood sugar bottomed 
>> out.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 5:14 PM Christopher Young  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We'll see what if any response I get, but as of now we should have at 
>>> least 3 because my wife is now a Riv rider, too. She's concerned about 
>>> keeping up but I told her this needn't be a particularly long or fast ride. 
>>> I've done a couple of 20-25 mile rides with her and those went well, so 
>>> she'll be fine.
>>> BTW, I bet I already asked, but have you tried Bike In Coffee? I've been 
>>> there twice now and really like it. They've got a pretty decent selection 
>>> of food and it's such a nice place to hang out. I think both times we went 
>>> it was Sunday morning and there was a jazz band playing some mellow stuff.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 1:26 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 17 years ago last March, March 2008,  we had Albuquerque’s first and 
 only iBob ride and collected riders from as far north as Los Alamos as 
 well 
 as several from here in town. But while there’s overlap between the iBob 
 list and the RBW list I don’t think a great deal of it happens in ABQ.

 At any rate, I just had a good 2-person ride this morning and would 
 enjoy a 2-person Official Albuquerque Rivendell Ride, if we stop at Flying 
 Star at or near the end of the ride. (I started without breakfast this 
 morning and brought no food so this morning did not complete the final 8 
 mile RT to/from the starting point but bailed at 26 miles 1 mile from my 
 house. A Flying Star stop would have made those remaining 8 miles a 
 doddle.)

 I will ride my all-time fave, the ’99 Joe fixed, with or without a 
 2-speed IGH rear wheel.

 On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 8:56 PM Christopher Young  
 wrote:

> Hi ABQ Area Riv Owners,
>
> Inspired by the Dallas TX group, I would like to invite any Riv owners 
> in the ABQ area (maybe even Santa Fe?) to participate in a group ride on 
> a 
> yet to be determined date. Why do this? To get to see and maybe ride some 
> other Rivs, to get to meet some other bike lovers that aren't interested 
> in 
> following all the latest biking trends, to learn about new bike routes, 
> etc. 
> Patrick Moore has already told me he'd be glad to participate. 
> Let me know if you are interested in participating or if you have any 
> questions or suggestions.
>
> thanks!
>
> Chris Young
> ABQ
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Re: [RBW] ABQ NM Riv Ride?

[Aaron Wilson]

Last year I built up a green Susie and, when the 64 cm Homer frames went on
sale, I made the financially questionable decision of building that up,
too.

I love both. Ride the Homer more frequently. It's great around town.
Currently, it's got Noodles on it, but I might buy some Loscos and a
ridiculously long stem to make it more upright for my recovery.

What do you all ride?

Aaron

On Wed, Jul 9, 2025, 9:16 AM Christopher Young  wrote:

> Hi Aaron,
>
> great to hear from you and I'm sorry to hear about your current health
> issues. I'll add you to my list of Riv riders (not a very long list,
> currently) and will check in with you about fall rides
> In the meantime, I hope you feel better soon and can get back on the bike!
> BTW, what model bike do you ride? I have seen a few Riv riders around town
> so maybe I've seen you at some point.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Young
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 11:00 PM Aaron Wilson  wrote:
>
>> If I weren't recovering from a long hospital stay and some pesky kidney
>> failure, I'd be in. Keep me in the loop for some fall rides when I'll
>> (hopefully) be back in the saddle.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 8, 2025 at 9:48:46 PM UTC-6 nmtr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Please do give the boblist a try. I'm glad to hear you are getting some
>>> nice rides in. This is one of my least favorite times of the year due to
>>> the heat, but so long as I can get out early, it works. and I have had some
>>> really nice rides this summer.
>>>
>>> We are going to Costa Rica July 19-27, so probably sometime after that.
>>> And then I have trip to Utah August 5-10, and a camping trip to Colorado
>>> Aug 17-21. Somehow everything got bunched later in the Summer.
>>>
>>> Let me know how the boblist goes. So far no replies from RBW, but the
>>> posting has barely been up.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 6:55 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Three will be a fine group.
>>>>
>>>> Do you want me to advertise on the Boblist? Probably few Rivendell
>>>> riders who are not on the RBW list, but we may get a few sympathetic souls;
>>>> there is even more ideological overlap between the lists than membership
>>>> overlap, and both groups started with Grant.
>>>>
>>>> Bikes and Coffee: no, I’ve not been there, but I would be delighted to
>>>> try it out.
>>>>
>>>> Let’s wait for a couple of days to see if others respond. IME, many RBW
>>>> list members don’t read the list every day.
>>>>
>>>> I had a nice fixed gear 27 mile rolling hills ride this morning with a
>>>> friend (on a Black Mountain Monster Cross 2X11) and I am surprised at how
>>>> good I feel afterward. I would have gone a full 35 miles but I didn’t eat
>>>> breakfast and didn’t bring a snack, so bailed as my blood sugar bottomed
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 5:14 PM Christopher Young 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We'll see what if any response I get, but as of now we should have at
>>>>> least 3 because my wife is now a Riv rider, too. She's concerned about
>>>>> keeping up but I told her this needn't be a particularly long or fast 
>>>>> ride.
>>>>> I've done a couple of 20-25 mile rides with her and those went well, so
>>>>> she'll be fine.
>>>>> BTW, I bet I already asked, but have you tried Bike In Coffee? I've
>>>>> been there twice now and really like it. They've got a pretty decent
>>>>> selection of food and it's such a nice place to hang out. I think both
>>>>> times we went it was Sunday morning and there was a jazz band playing some
>>>>> mellow stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 1:26 PM Patrick Moore 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 17 years ago last March, March 2008,  we had Albuquerque’s first and
>>>>>> only iBob ride and collected riders from as far north as Los Alamos as 
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> as several from here in town. But while there’s overlap between the iBob
>>>>>> list and the RBW list I don’t think a great deal of it happens in ABQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At any rate, I just had a good 2-person ride this morning and would
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