Re: [RBW] Riv default 113 BB, Tange headset

[Steve]

John,  to suggest an answer to your question --- What I have done in the 
past is to initially mount the crankset up with what ever BB I happen to 
have at hand,  then check the chainline and add or subtract the distance it 
is  off from my desired CL. Assuming a symmetrical BB spindle, the needed 
width =  +/- value x 2 + the test spindle width. (As a rough reference the 
distance between cogs on a cassette is close to 4mm).  

Steve in AVL

On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 10:17:13 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> The real fun with square taper cranksets is that depending on its previous 
> usage/owners they can not give you advertised chainline no matter how good 
> your research is.
> Some people really like to bottom out that taper!
>

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Re: [RBW] 26 inch tire

[iamkeith]

I wouldn't assume that a few more millimeters of tire is mecessarily going 
to be an improvement.  At some point, a volume moves beyong "just right" to 
"too much," and handling and ride quality begin to suffer.  It can get 
bouncy, squirmy, vague, sit too high, and change the trail.  I've done my 
own plundering with my 26" All Rounder (and XO-1, too), with tires ranging 
from 1.5 to 2.4.  The most goldilox size Ive found is 1.95.  It used to be 
a common size, back in the 80s, but now the Sim Works Homage is the only 
one I know of.  Meanwhile, the rest of the industry keeps making copy after 
copy of 2.1 or 2.3 tires.  I don't get it.  I still prefer a more basic 
traead like on the original 1.75 Compass, which is the same as Pasella, but 
it's not available.  
On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 5:22:47 PM UTC-7 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

> I thought I had plunged the depths of 26” tires.
>
> I was wrong.
>
> Thanks to the  brain trust for all the recommendations
>
>  
>
> Bernard ’
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Brian Turner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2025 5:00 AM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] 26 inch tire
>
>  
>
> The RH Humptulips Ridge knobby will come out to around 50mm. (I’ve used 
> this tire on my 26” Atlantis with Atlas rims)
>
>  
>
> There’s also the RH Rat Trap Pass gravel slick.
>
>  
>
> both of these come in a variety of casings.
>
>  
>
> Brian
>
> Lexington KY
>
>  
>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2025, at 9:52 PM, Bernard Duhon  
> wrote:
>
>  
>
> I have a 26 inch Atlantis build. It's an older model and will take a 
> maximum of 47-48mm tire, actual measurement on a 17 inch rim.
>
> I have the 2 inch Marathon Supreme and Marathon which both fit (they 
> measure 47mm) . I would like a tire of a 47 mm actual measurement. Lighter 
> and more supple.I have the older  Gravel Kings 1.75 (they measure 41 mm 
> ) and I'd like something closer to the two inch model.
>
> I see the panaracer 2.1 gavel king knobby .  Thay might fit.  But I 
> couldn’t find the weight.
>
>  
>
> I am thinking the extra 5 mm of tire is worth it. 
>
>  
>
> Any recommendations?
>
>  
>
>  
>
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[RBW] Re: Indoor Rides

[J-D Bamford]

I love Garth's reply, and feel similarly. But after a few decent winters of 
baseline trainer sessions, I didn't bother setting it up this time and am 
trying 1-2 runs (on foot!) a week. I don't enjoy running, but it's 
tolerable.

To the OP... If you're concerned about sweat and rust on a steel frame, 
consider zip tying an old inner tube around the upper headset and also 
where the seatpost enters the seat tube, to hinder sweat entry. Then tie an 
old sock or bandana above each, so sweat wicks away (and you can rotate 
those thru your weekly clothes wash). I didn't do any of this the last 3-4 
winters that I had my old steel randonneur bike on a trainer, but my garage 
was quite cold and sweat was modest. As I recently migrated parts from that 
old frame to a new Roadini, I didn't notice any rust for example at the 
seatpost/tube junction. The seatpost admittedly took a couple taps with a 
rubber mallet to loosen up, but that's after being in-place for 8-10 years 
of riding in mostly arid Colorado climate (and not subject to too many 
surprise Rocky Mountain rain storms).

They sell those hammock-like elastic fabric sweat blockers that stretch 
from the seatpost to the stem. Funny things. I tried one my first few 
trainer sessions some years ago. Kinda makes mounting and dismounting a 
nuisance, so I tucked it away in a drawer. I'm not particularly concerned 
with sweat landing on the top tube, since it's painted and clear coated, 
and because any hints of beausage there would be fine.


On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 12:29:56 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Speaking of rollers, I have a Technique Pro roller that I purchased from 
> Performance Bike many years ago that I haven't used for quite awhile and 
> would like to get rid of (I'm getting old and am downsizing).  These 
> rollers are folders and they use sealed bearings, but they had rather thin 
> side rails that caused me to stack some flat washers between them in order 
> to tighten the lock nuts properly.  Right now they're adjusted for a wheel 
> base (front hub lock nut to rear lock nut) of about 39 1/2 inches, which 
> should be adequate for most road bikes. The roller diameters themselves are 
> 3 3/4".  I anyone in the Chicago metro area is interested, please contact 
> me off-list.  I will not ship - too heavy - but I will deliver within a 
> reasonable distance of central DuPage County.
> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 10:50:04 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>
>> I ride on rollers in the winter and use a fan when getting to warm and a 
>> have a towel around my neck or within reach to wipe my face if needed. I 
>> sweat easily and do my best to never drip sweat on the bike. Even in summer 
>> I ride with a hanky handy ! No runs, no drips, no errors ! Ahahahaa ! 
>>
>> Indoors riding is mostly "tolerable" to do so I just ride 10-30 minutes 
>> every other day or so. 
>> Sometimes thoughts of "what the hell are you doing, this sucks !" arise 
>> quite loudly when I begin. "Well yeah !,  the idea that anything sucks, 
>> well that sucks, sucking sucks , and so what ?!"  It's good for a laugh 
>>  :-). 
>>
>> I love summer and sweating outdoors also ! Y E A H ! ! ! 
>> Indoors or outdoors in winter I don't like sweating at all as it's so 
>> darn chilling, regardless of the clothing. 
>>
>> Right now it's raining a 37d, well that sucks even for walking outside !  
>> So, off to laugh my way to an indoor ride ! Teeeheeeheee ;-) 
>>
>> I must say though, riding rollers is a wonderful way to change setups and 
>> fits without having to go for ride outdoors. I mean it's right at-hand, 
>> instant feedback and tools at hand. Every bike shop that should have some 
>> for the mechanics to ride repaired bikes. The ones I have a made by Sport 
>> Crafters of Indiana, the ones with progressive resistance. It really does 
>> have road like resistance and I use the same gears. Pedal harder and it 
>> gets much harder to maintain it. These are so much more uselful than the 
>> Krietler Challenger rollers I had for many years and sold. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 11:06:36 AM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>>> My Roadini resides on a Zwift hub when not being used outside. I give it 
>>> a good wipe down after a Zwift session. I believe Zwift has a traditional 
>>> steel road bike option in game, but since Zwift is the one place where I 
>>> care about being a weight weenie, my avatar rides a Tarmac. 
>>>
>>> Brady in SLC
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 8:57:33 AM UTC-7 jeff.ze...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone use their Riv on a 'smart' trainer?

 In my quest to streamline my existence by seeing if I can get by with a 
 single bike (N-1? dunno.), I have installed my Hillborne on a Wahoo KICKR 
 wheel-off trainer.  I stipulate that riding outdoors is infinitely 
 preferable but also refuse to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. 

 Other than protecting Sam from sweat, is there anything else I should 
 

[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr L 59cm

[Johnny Alien]

Unless you absolutely don't like the dark gold I would suggest grabbing a 
new one from Rivendell because IMO there has never been a better stock 
build then what they have now. I changed all kinds of parts on mine and I 
don't think I would change a thing on the current one.

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 2:26:08 AM UTC-5 Jaysun Pine wrote:

> Seeing if anything's out there right now
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith L sizing

[Johnny Alien]

On a general whole I don't agree with Rivendell's "always ride the biggest 
bike you can" philosophy BUT on the step thru bikes I am on board with 
them. In comparison I am the same size as you but my PBH is shorter. I have 
a 52 Clem and its absolutely perfect for me however if my PBH was where you 
are at I would 100% have gone with the size up. I am not sure why the 
person at Riv suggested that a 700C wheel will ride better. I don't think 
there would be a monumental difference for you from 56 to 59 on a Clem. 
Grab one if you want it. Life is too short to wait a year for a possibility 
that might not yield any better of a ride.

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 2:25:29 AM UTC-5 Jaysun Pine wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm trying to figure out sizing for this bike. Been through the 
> calculations on the site, spoke to Riv on the phone (can't remember who), 
> but wanted to see if here are any other opinions out there. I'm 5'10", long 
> arms, and my pbh is 844. According to the site that places me on a 52cm. 
> But, since it's a Clem L, the site also says I could ride a 59cm, with a 
> regular, unsprung saddle. On the 52cm I would have more seatpost and stem 
> showing, which is obvious, but I'm wondering if it might be too much stem 
> showing. As if I might run out of stem and need to go with one with rise.  
> I want a more upright position on this one. Then there's the 650b vs 700c 
> thing as well. Riv says riding the biggest bike you can fit usually ends up 
> being most comfortable ride. The person on the phone seemed to suggest that 
> I would like the ride of the 700c wheels better. I think they're going to 
> do a 56cm (700c wheels) on this bike next year. But that would mean waiting 
> another year to get this bike.
>
> Anyway, thanks for any input or feedback anyone has.
>

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RE: [RBW] 26 inch tire

[Bernard Duhon]

I thought I had plunged the depths of 26” tires.
I was wrong.
Thanks to the  brain trust for all the recommendations

Bernard ’



From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brian Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2025 5:00 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] 26 inch tire

The RH Humptulips Ridge knobby will come out to around 50mm. (I’ve used this 
tire on my 26” Atlantis with Atlas rims)

There’s also the RH Rat Trap Pass gravel slick.

both of these come in a variety of casings.

Brian
Lexington KY



On Jan 27, 2025, at 9:52 PM, Bernard Duhon 
mailto:bern...@bernardduhon.com>> wrote:

I have a 26 inch Atlantis build. It's an older model and will take a maximum of 
47-48mm tire, actual measurement on a 17 inch rim.
I have the 2 inch Marathon Supreme and Marathon which both fit (they measure 
47mm) . I would like a tire of a 47 mm actual measurement. Lighter and more 
supple.I have the older  Gravel Kings 1.75 (they measure 41 mm ) and I'd 
like something closer to the two inch model.
I see the panaracer 2.1 gavel king knobby .  Thay might fit.  But I couldn’t 
find the weight.

I am thinking the extra 5 mm of tire is worth it.

Any recommendations?


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[RBW] Re: Indoor Rides

[J S]

I  use rollers with a fork mount as I am no longer willing to take a fall. 
I was lucky years ago to get a used Krietler roller and then a used fork 
mount. The only issue is that I have to re-adjust the seat angle so I have 
2 seat posts and 2 saddles which makes the whole thing a lot easier. After 
3 back surgeries and a knee replacement  this is the best I can do without 
a gym membership. It is cold in the basement but a good fleece takes care 
of that.

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 4:30:49 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Yeah, Rollers definitely require full focus, in some ways even more than 
> outside as you have only 15" or so to ride on ! I had a Turbo Trainer back 
> in the 80's, basically one of the original "remove the front wheel" and 
> ride the rear wheel on some sort of resistance unit. That being small fins 
> to catch air. I thought it would cool to watch tv like MTV and all while 
> riding that, but no, the two just don't mix for me. Music about voice 
> loudness though is complementary. But hey, I've always loved radio/audio 
> much more than TV/visual. In some ways that's what riding rollers is like, 
> just listening"to the rhythm of the movement with or without some soft 
> music playing. Like a symphony of activity ! Close your eyes and the sound 
> bursts forth the screen of the mind into all manner of wonderment, so to 
> speak.  
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 3:45:28 PM UTC-5 jeff.ze...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't ridden rollers since I was a teenager...a lot of fun and a 
>> totally different challenge than riding on the Wahoo. Mine are long gone 
>> but not forgotten.
>>
>> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 2:29:56 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of rollers, I have a Technique Pro roller that I purchased from 
>>> Performance Bike many years ago that I haven't used for quite awhile and 
>>> would like to get rid of (I'm getting old and am downsizing).  These 
>>> rollers are folders and they use sealed bearings, but they had rather thin 
>>> side rails that caused me to stack some flat washers between them in order 
>>> to tighten the lock nuts properly.  Right now they're adjusted for a wheel 
>>> base (front hub lock nut to rear lock nut) of about 39 1/2 inches, which 
>>> should be adequate for most road bikes. The roller diameters themselves are 
>>> 3 3/4".  I anyone in the Chicago metro area is interested, please contact 
>>> me off-list.  I will not ship - too heavy - but I will deliver within a 
>>> reasonable distance of central DuPage County.
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 10:50:04 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>>>
 I ride on rollers in the winter and use a fan when getting to warm and 
 a have a towel around my neck or within reach to wipe my face if needed. I 
 sweat easily and do my best to never drip sweat on the bike. Even in 
 summer 
 I ride with a hanky handy ! No runs, no drips, no errors ! Ahahahaa ! 

 Indoors riding is mostly "tolerable" to do so I just ride 10-30 minutes 
 every other day or so. 
 Sometimes thoughts of "what the hell are you doing, this sucks !" arise 
 quite loudly when I begin. "Well yeah !,  the idea that anything sucks, 
 well that sucks, sucking sucks , and so what ?!"  It's good for a laugh 
  :-). 

 I love summer and sweating outdoors also ! Y E A H ! ! ! 
 Indoors or outdoors in winter I don't like sweating at all as it's so 
 darn chilling, regardless of the clothing. 

 Right now it's raining a 37d, well that sucks even for walking outside 
 !  So, off to laugh my way to an indoor ride ! Teeeheeeheee ;-) 

 I must say though, riding rollers is a wonderful way to change setups 
 and fits without having to go for ride outdoors. I mean it's right 
 at-hand, 
 instant feedback and tools at hand. Every bike shop that should have some 
 for the mechanics to ride repaired bikes. The ones I have a made by Sport 
 Crafters of Indiana, the ones with progressive resistance. It really does 
 have road like resistance and I use the same gears. Pedal harder and it 
 gets much harder to maintain it. These are so much more uselful than the 
 Krietler Challenger rollers I had for many years and sold. 

 On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 11:06:36 AM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:

> My Roadini resides on a Zwift hub when not being used outside. I give 
> it a good wipe down after a Zwift session. I believe Zwift has a 
> traditional steel road bike option in game, but since Zwift is the one 
> place where I care about being a weight weenie, my avatar rides a Tarmac. 
>
> Brady in SLC
> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 8:57:33 AM UTC-7 jeff.ze...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone use their Riv on a 'smart' trainer?
>>
>> In my quest to streamline my existence by seeing if I can get by with 
>> a single bike (N-1? dunno.), I have installed my Hillbo

[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr L 59cm

[Ryan]

Give that dark gold a chanceyou might find that it grows on you, 
especially when you see it in the flesh. Good luck with the bike, this 
latest iteration sounds pretty swell.

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 11:17:54 AM UTC-6 Jaysun Pine wrote:

> Hey, thanks Kim! You've been very helpful to me through this process. I 
> decided to buy the 59 in dark gold. Now the wait begins. 😊
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 8:54:27 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Jaysun,
>>
>> I found a 59cm Clem in green in Australia both in complete and framesets:
>>
>> https://www.heapsgoodgarage.com.au/products/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-
>> completerivendell-clem-smith-jr-complete?variant=42758764560579
>>
>> It might be worth your while and interest.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 8:36:57 AM UTC-8 Jaysun Pine wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I agree about the build. The dark gold is really not my favorite 
>>> color. I'm the guy that tried to buy a 59cm in Bronzey Green at 12:03pm 
>>> during the pre-sale and they were already gone. Clearly the bronzey green 
>>> is a popular color and I'm surprised Rivendell didn't order more in that 
>>> color. I know color isn't everything but I do have to look at the bike 
>>> everyday!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 5:36:34 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Unless you absolutely don't like the dark gold I would suggest grabbing 
 a new one from Rivendell because IMO there has never been a better stock 
 build then what they have now. I changed all kinds of parts on mine and I 
 don't think I would change a thing on the current one.

 On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 2:26:08 AM UTC-5 Jaysun Pine wrote:

> Seeing if anything's out there right now
>


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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith L sizing

[Johnny Alien]

Hooray!!! Make sure to provide photos and thoughts when it arrives

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 12:24:07 PM UTC-5 Jaysun Pine wrote:

> You're right Johnny, life is too short to wait a year for a different 
> color. I pulled the trigger on the 59cm dark gold. Finally will own my 
> first Rivendell! It took a while but I knew I would own one eventually. 
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 5:33:06 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> On a general whole I don't agree with Rivendell's "always ride the 
>> biggest bike you can" philosophy BUT on the step thru bikes I am on board 
>> with them. In comparison I am the same size as you but my PBH is shorter. I 
>> have a 52 Clem and its absolutely perfect for me however if my PBH was 
>> where you are at I would 100% have gone with the size up. I am not sure why 
>> the person at Riv suggested that a 700C wheel will ride better. I don't 
>> think there would be a monumental difference for you from 56 to 59 on a 
>> Clem. Grab one if you want it. Life is too short to wait a year for a 
>> possibility that might not yield any better of a ride.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 2:25:29 AM UTC-5 Jaysun Pine wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to figure out sizing for this bike. Been through the 
>>> calculations on the site, spoke to Riv on the phone (can't remember who), 
>>> but wanted to see if here are any other opinions out there. I'm 5'10", long 
>>> arms, and my pbh is 844. According to the site that places me on a 52cm. 
>>> But, since it's a Clem L, the site also says I could ride a 59cm, with a 
>>> regular, unsprung saddle. On the 52cm I would have more seatpost and stem 
>>> showing, which is obvious, but I'm wondering if it might be too much stem 
>>> showing. As if I might run out of stem and need to go with one with rise.  
>>> I want a more upright position on this one. Then there's the 650b vs 700c 
>>> thing as well. Riv says riding the biggest bike you can fit usually ends up 
>>> being most comfortable ride. The person on the phone seemed to suggest that 
>>> I would like the ride of the 700c wheels better. I think they're going to 
>>> do a 56cm (700c wheels) on this bike next year. But that would mean waiting 
>>> another year to get this bike.
>>>
>>> Anyway, thanks for any input or feedback anyone has.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Indoor Rides

[Jeffrey Zelevansky]

I haven't ridden rollers since I was a teenager...a lot of fun and a 
totally different challenge than riding on the Wahoo. Mine are long gone 
but not forgotten.

On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 2:29:56 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Speaking of rollers, I have a Technique Pro roller that I purchased from 
> Performance Bike many years ago that I haven't used for quite awhile and 
> would like to get rid of (I'm getting old and am downsizing).  These 
> rollers are folders and they use sealed bearings, but they had rather thin 
> side rails that caused me to stack some flat washers between them in order 
> to tighten the lock nuts properly.  Right now they're adjusted for a wheel 
> base (front hub lock nut to rear lock nut) of about 39 1/2 inches, which 
> should be adequate for most road bikes. The roller diameters themselves are 
> 3 3/4".  I anyone in the Chicago metro area is interested, please contact 
> me off-list.  I will not ship - too heavy - but I will deliver within a 
> reasonable distance of central DuPage County.
> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 10:50:04 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>
>> I ride on rollers in the winter and use a fan when getting to warm and a 
>> have a towel around my neck or within reach to wipe my face if needed. I 
>> sweat easily and do my best to never drip sweat on the bike. Even in summer 
>> I ride with a hanky handy ! No runs, no drips, no errors ! Ahahahaa ! 
>>
>> Indoors riding is mostly "tolerable" to do so I just ride 10-30 minutes 
>> every other day or so. 
>> Sometimes thoughts of "what the hell are you doing, this sucks !" arise 
>> quite loudly when I begin. "Well yeah !,  the idea that anything sucks, 
>> well that sucks, sucking sucks , and so what ?!"  It's good for a laugh 
>>  :-). 
>>
>> I love summer and sweating outdoors also ! Y E A H ! ! ! 
>> Indoors or outdoors in winter I don't like sweating at all as it's so 
>> darn chilling, regardless of the clothing. 
>>
>> Right now it's raining a 37d, well that sucks even for walking outside !  
>> So, off to laugh my way to an indoor ride ! Teeeheeeheee ;-) 
>>
>> I must say though, riding rollers is a wonderful way to change setups and 
>> fits without having to go for ride outdoors. I mean it's right at-hand, 
>> instant feedback and tools at hand. Every bike shop that should have some 
>> for the mechanics to ride repaired bikes. The ones I have a made by Sport 
>> Crafters of Indiana, the ones with progressive resistance. It really does 
>> have road like resistance and I use the same gears. Pedal harder and it 
>> gets much harder to maintain it. These are so much more uselful than the 
>> Krietler Challenger rollers I had for many years and sold. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 11:06:36 AM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>>> My Roadini resides on a Zwift hub when not being used outside. I give it 
>>> a good wipe down after a Zwift session. I believe Zwift has a traditional 
>>> steel road bike option in game, but since Zwift is the one place where I 
>>> care about being a weight weenie, my avatar rides a Tarmac. 
>>>
>>> Brady in SLC
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 8:57:33 AM UTC-7 jeff.ze...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone use their Riv on a 'smart' trainer?

 In my quest to streamline my existence by seeing if I can get by with a 
 single bike (N-1? dunno.), I have installed my Hillborne on a Wahoo KICKR 
 wheel-off trainer.  I stipulate that riding outdoors is infinitely 
 preferable but also refuse to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. 

 Other than protecting Sam from sweat, is there anything else I should 
 be concerned about in doing this? Even on the trainer, the Riv is much 
 more 
 comfortable than the older Cannondale I have been using (it's a fit 
 issue). 
 Thanks for any insights.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: 2025 Philadelphia Bike Expo -- anyone planning on going?

[ascpgh]

I am scheduled for work the weekend of the show and cannot attend but I do 
hope that the Expo folks are taking note of the magnitude of attendance and 
activities coming from this community of one exhibitor. 

I talked with Will on their first visit and said that I felt the Philly 
Expo was a really good constellation in the biking universe and Rivendell 
was a great fit. The east coast has an appetite for Riv bikes. 

All who are interested and considering the weekend will find many rewards 
from the experience if they decide to go. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, January 17, 2025 at 7:31:31 PM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> The 2025 Philadelphia Bike Expo is on March 8 and 9, and Rivendell is 
> going to be there.  I went last year for a few hours (on my way back home 
> from a family visit in MD) and enjoyed it a lot. Fun to meet some of the 
> Rivendell staff in person, and lots of other interesting things to look at 
> and enjoy. 
>
> I'm thinking about going again this year - -but for a bit longer in order 
> to be able to really enjoy it. 
>
> Anyone else considering going? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2025 Philadelphia Bike Expo -- anyone planning on going?

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

I'll be there - not sure which day yet. Picking up a Davidson frame that 
Bilenky repainted for me. 

Marty

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 8:56:41 AM UTC-5 Tom Horton wrote:

> We ve stayed at marriott s meridiene hotel before and this march  kinda 
> pricey at 250 or so but accomodating and right around corner from expo 
> center   
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 1, 2025, at 2:25 AM, Dan Dunmire  wrote:
>
> Any suggestions for bike friendly hotels in the area? Where y'all 
> staying? 
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 10:25:55 AM UTC-5 River Bailey wrote:
>
>> Wow, looks like several folks planning on attending. My wife and I both 
>> plan to attend and will be bringing or bikes. Is this the best place to 
>> stay tuned for organized rides? Sounds like there are also rides posted on 
>> the event website.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 6:29:37 PM UTC-5 claudia Jacobs wrote:
>>
>>> We are definitely up for a Riv ride and any other rides!  He weren't 
>>> planning on being there this year but we are going to make it.!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 4:01 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I am so excited to do some rides with you all! I arrive Friday 
 afternoon and depart Monday. It would be awesome to do a Riv Ride of some 
 sort. Seems like quite a few of us will be in attendance!

 On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 1:33:38 PM UTC-5 timothym...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I wound up signing up for the PA Randonneurs International Women's 
> Day 107K Populaire  that is also 
> on Saturday March 8th (Which is being organized by notable Philadelphian 
> and Hunqapillar owner, Ello) so I promise that no one will get dropped on 
> the night ride this time around other than me. 
>
> The populaire is open to all RUSA members and it starts near and ends 
> at Bike Expo for anyone interested in joining from out of town.
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 12:40:50 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> I'm also in Atlanta; I just priced Amtrak and see that a seat in 
>> coach isn't too expensive--I didn't include a bike--but the cost of 
>> small 
>> cabin is high; nearly $500 each way. I really enjoyed going to PBE last 
>> year but would want my own bike this time instead of an Indego.  The 
>> Rivendell guys are bringing their own, I believe, rather than display 
>> bikes 
>> to sell (too bad!)
>>
>> Around here, being recently arrived and living near Grant Park, I 
>> usually ride part of the Silver Comet, and also out by the monastery and 
>> around Stone Mountain. A couple of days ago I rode Dirty Sheets with a 
>> friend; still muddy after last week's snow and all. 
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 12:30 PM Drew Fitchette  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thinking about taking Amtrak up from Atlanta so I can bring my Appa, 
>>> but worst case I'll fly up and use an Indego bike. Unless another list 
>>> member has a loaner I can borrow for the weekend. 
>>>
>>> Looking forward to meeting any/all of you going though!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 29, 2025 at 6:01:59 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tim's ride to Keystone after the Hot Dog ride was a blast and 
 certainly a highlight of the weekend. A great route on quiet roads 
 with 
 Steven C., Cameron, Tim and Dan S. Even tho Dan S. and I got dropped 
 for a 
 bit and lost in the woods! 

 On Monday, January 27, 2025 at 1:07:00 PM UTC-5 claudia Jacobs 
 wrote:

> How can we NOT go now!
>
> On Friday, January 24, 2025 at 12:32:50 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Amtrak is having a sale on some of the routes.  I think NYC-PHL 
>> was on the list.  You can take a bike but need a reservation.  Ck 
>> details.  
>> Look for the bike sticker on the train to tell you which ones have 
>> the 
>> racks.  The bike reservation is an extra cost.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 1:45:52 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> for those in NYC considering this for a day trip, I just checked 
>>> Amtrak tickets today, and you can do a roundtrip for less than $30. 
>>>  I did 
>>> not investigate bring your bike options.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 11:34:44 AM UTC-5 
>>> timothym...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @rmrose - single track can DEFINITELY be at night if you'd like 
 . Belmont at night is so special, we have fires under one of the 
 bridges in 
 the winter.



 On Saturday, January 18, 2025 at 9:14:39 PM UTC-5 
 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr L 59cm

[Jaysun Pine]

Hey, thanks Kim! You've been very helpful to me through this process. I 
decided to buy the 59 in dark gold. Now the wait begins. 😊

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 8:54:27 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Jaysun,
>
> I found a 59cm Clem in green in Australia both in complete and framesets:
>
> https://www.heapsgoodgarage.com.au/products/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-
> completerivendell-clem-smith-jr-complete?variant=42758764560579
>
> It might be worth your while and interest.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 8:36:57 AM UTC-8 Jaysun Pine wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I agree about the build. The dark gold is really not my favorite 
>> color. I'm the guy that tried to buy a 59cm in Bronzey Green at 12:03pm 
>> during the pre-sale and they were already gone. Clearly the bronzey green 
>> is a popular color and I'm surprised Rivendell didn't order more in that 
>> color. I know color isn't everything but I do have to look at the bike 
>> everyday!
>>
>> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 5:36:34 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Unless you absolutely don't like the dark gold I would suggest grabbing 
>>> a new one from Rivendell because IMO there has never been a better stock 
>>> build then what they have now. I changed all kinds of parts on mine and I 
>>> don't think I would change a thing on the current one.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 2:26:08 AM UTC-5 Jaysun Pine wrote:
>>>
 Seeing if anything's out there right now

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith L sizing

[Jaysun Pine]

You're right Johnny, life is too short to wait a year for a different 
color. I pulled the trigger on the 59cm dark gold. Finally will own my 
first Rivendell! It took a while but I knew I would own one eventually. 

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 5:33:06 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> On a general whole I don't agree with Rivendell's "always ride the biggest 
> bike you can" philosophy BUT on the step thru bikes I am on board with 
> them. In comparison I am the same size as you but my PBH is shorter. I have 
> a 52 Clem and its absolutely perfect for me however if my PBH was where you 
> are at I would 100% have gone with the size up. I am not sure why the 
> person at Riv suggested that a 700C wheel will ride better. I don't think 
> there would be a monumental difference for you from 56 to 59 on a Clem. 
> Grab one if you want it. Life is too short to wait a year for a possibility 
> that might not yield any better of a ride.
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 2:25:29 AM UTC-5 Jaysun Pine wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out sizing for this bike. Been through the 
>> calculations on the site, spoke to Riv on the phone (can't remember who), 
>> but wanted to see if here are any other opinions out there. I'm 5'10", long 
>> arms, and my pbh is 844. According to the site that places me on a 52cm. 
>> But, since it's a Clem L, the site also says I could ride a 59cm, with a 
>> regular, unsprung saddle. On the 52cm I would have more seatpost and stem 
>> showing, which is obvious, but I'm wondering if it might be too much stem 
>> showing. As if I might run out of stem and need to go with one with rise.  
>> I want a more upright position on this one. Then there's the 650b vs 700c 
>> thing as well. Riv says riding the biggest bike you can fit usually ends up 
>> being most comfortable ride. The person on the phone seemed to suggest that 
>> I would like the ride of the 700c wheels better. I think they're going to 
>> do a 56cm (700c wheels) on this bike next year. But that would mean waiting 
>> another year to get this bike.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for any input or feedback anyone has.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: February SCAM :Warning Reminder Message

[Cal Patterson]

Ah shoot.  I think I got scammed on my WTB Tosco Bars post.  "Seller" has 
gone radio silence after payment :(

Thanks for this reminder Jim!  Stay vigilant, fellow listers!

On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 11:33:17 PM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Hey there - 
>
> I'm going to post this now and again as a reminder to all members.
>
> This week (1/30/25), I had a member reach out to let me know they 
> encountered another online scam attempt.
>
> Their story followed the most common recent SCAM vector:
>
> A group member posts a WTB or ISO or "Looking for..." post
>
> They are contacted directly via email by someone who has exactly that 
> item, wants to sell it to them at a fair/realistic price, includes photos 
> or other visual assets, etc. 
>
> The photos are not theirs. In past scam attempts, other group members have 
> recognized images that were theirs or belonged to riding partners. 
>
> The item does not exist. The potential buyer will lose their money. 
> It is a scam.
>
> These are believable attempts preying upon the excitement of saving a few 
> bucks or finding something which is currently unavailable, It would be very 
> easy to fall for the scam. 
>
> And we do not fall for scams because we are stupid.
> We fall for scams because we are human. 
>
> The "seller" is not a list member. That means that some other "sleeper" 
> account is harvesting your email address and then using it to contact you. 
>
> If someone is not am RBW list member, they cannot see your contact info 
> and would not be able to contact you directly.
>
> PROTECT YOURSELF FROM SCAMS:
> If you are approached after creating a WTB/ISO post
> - Search the other person's email in the group archives, to see if they 
> have a track record of posting. If they have no posts, it's likely a scam.
> - Search their email in the group member section, to see if they are 
> actually a member. If they are not a member, it's almost certainly a scam. 
>
> If you do choose to proceed with any transaction, you do so at entirely 
> your risk. Due diligence and paying with a protected method are always good 
> practice. 
>
> Please feel free to append this reminder to anyone's WTB/ISO post.
>
> - Jim / list admin
>

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[RBW] Re: February SCAM :Warning Reminder Message

[John Rinker]

Thanks for keeping us informed Jim. You provided a fine service. I also 
really appreciate your sentiment:

'And we do not fall for scams because we are stupid.
We fall for scams because we are human.'

I do remember reading (on The Radavist, I believe) that it is also good 
practice to ask a seller to provide a photo of the item and a piece of 
paper with their email address and the date. Seems like a good idea.

Cheers, John 

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 9:35:04 AM UTC-8 Cal Patterson wrote:

> Ah shoot.  I think I got scammed on my WTB Tosco Bars post.  "Seller" has 
> gone radio silence after payment :(
>
> Thanks for this reminder Jim!  Stay vigilant, fellow listers!
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 11:33:17 PM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Hey there - 
>>
>> I'm going to post this now and again as a reminder to all members.
>>
>> This week (1/30/25), I had a member reach out to let me know they 
>> encountered another online scam attempt.
>>
>> Their story followed the most common recent SCAM vector:
>>
>> A group member posts a WTB or ISO or "Looking for..." post
>>
>> They are contacted directly via email by someone who has exactly that 
>> item, wants to sell it to them at a fair/realistic price, includes photos 
>> or other visual assets, etc. 
>>
>> The photos are not theirs. In past scam attempts, other group members 
>> have recognized images that were theirs or belonged to riding partners. 
>>
>> The item does not exist. The potential buyer will lose their money. 
>> It is a scam.
>>
>> These are believable attempts preying upon the excitement of saving a few 
>> bucks or finding something which is currently unavailable, It would be very 
>> easy to fall for the scam. 
>>
>> And we do not fall for scams because we are stupid.
>> We fall for scams because we are human. 
>>
>> The "seller" is not a list member. That means that some other "sleeper" 
>> account is harvesting your email address and then using it to contact you. 
>>
>> If someone is not am RBW list member, they cannot see your contact info 
>> and would not be able to contact you directly.
>>
>> PROTECT YOURSELF FROM SCAMS:
>> If you are approached after creating a WTB/ISO post
>> - Search the other person's email in the group archives, to see if they 
>> have a track record of posting. If they have no posts, it's likely a scam.
>> - Search their email in the group member section, to see if they are 
>> actually a member. If they are not a member, it's almost certainly a scam. 
>>
>> If you do choose to proceed with any transaction, you do so at entirely 
>> your risk. Due diligence and paying with a protected method are always good 
>> practice. 
>>
>> Please feel free to append this reminder to anyone's WTB/ISO post.
>>
>> - Jim / list admin
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2025 Philadelphia Bike Expo -- anyone planning on going?

[Tom Horton]

We ve stayed at marriott s meridiene hotel before and this march  kinda pricey at 250 or so but accomodating and right around corner from expo center   Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 1, 2025, at 2:25 AM, Dan Dunmire  wrote:Any suggestions for bike friendly hotels in the area? Where y'all staying? On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 10:25:55 AM UTC-5 River Bailey wrote:Wow, looks like several folks planning on attending. My wife and I both plan to attend and will be bringing or bikes. Is this the best place to stay tuned for organized rides? Sounds like there are also rides posted on the event website.On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 6:29:37 PM UTC-5 claudia Jacobs wrote:We are definitely up for a Riv ride and any other rides!  He weren't planning on being there this year but we are going to make it.!On Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 4:01 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I am so excited to do some rides with you all! I arrive Friday afternoon and depart Monday. It would be awesome to do a Riv Ride of some sort. Seems like quite a few of us will be in attendance!On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 1:33:38 PM UTC-5 timothym...@gmail.com wrote:I wound up signing up for the PA Randonneurs International Women's Day 107K Populaire that is also on Saturday March 8th (Which is being organized by notable Philadelphian and Hunqapillar owner, Ello) so I promise that no one will get dropped on the night ride this time around other than me. The populaire is open to all RUSA members and it starts near and ends at Bike Expo for anyone interested in joining from out of town.On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 12:40:50 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:Hi Drew,I'm also in Atlanta; I just priced Amtrak and see that a seat in coach isn't too expensive--I didn't include a bike--but the cost of small cabin is high; nearly $500 each way. I really enjoyed going to PBE last year but would want my own bike this time instead of an Indego.  The Rivendell guys are bringing their own, I believe, rather than display bikes to sell (too bad!)Around here, being recently arrived and living near Grant Park, I usually ride part of the Silver Comet, and also out by the monastery and around Stone Mountain. A couple of days ago I rode Dirty Sheets with a friend; still muddy after last week's snow and all. TomOn Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 12:30 PM Drew Fitchette  wrote:Thinking about taking Amtrak up from Atlanta so I can bring my Appa, but worst case I'll fly up and use an Indego bike. Unless another list member has a loaner I can borrow for the weekend. Looking forward to meeting any/all of you going though!On Wednesday, January 29, 2025 at 6:01:59 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:Tim's ride to Keystone after the Hot Dog ride was a blast and certainly a highlight of the weekend. A great route on quiet roads with Steven C., Cameron, Tim and Dan S. Even tho Dan S. and I got dropped for a bit and lost in the woods! On Monday, January 27, 2025 at 1:07:00 PM UTC-5 claudia Jacobs wrote:How can we NOT go now!On Friday, January 24, 2025 at 12:32:50 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:Amtrak is having a sale on some of the routes.  I think NYC-PHL was on the list.  You can take a bike but need a reservation.  Ck details.  Look for the bike sticker on the train to tell you which ones have the racks.  The bike reservation is an extra cost.  On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 1:45:52 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:for those in NYC considering this for a day trip, I just checked Amtrak tickets today, and you can do a roundtrip for less than $30.  I did not investigate bring your bike options.On Tuesday, January 21, 2025 at 11:34:44 AM UTC-5 timothym...@gmail.com wrote:@rmrose - single track can DEFINITELY be at night if you'd like . Belmont at night is so special, we have fires under one of the bridges in the winter.On Saturday, January 18, 2025 at 9:14:39 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:This (ride) sounds so good. Might the singletrack be at night?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 18, 2025, at 8:20 PM, Tim Burke  wrote:Hey all,Welcome to town all be it a bit early. I’ll be doing unofficial rides Friday night, Saturday afternoon, and for Sunday morning I am one of the organizers of Coffee Outside Philly and that’s our weekly which tends to turn into a bit of thing during expo. Last year I lead a pretty fun ride for a few folks from the group and others that left the expo, made it’s way to some of our single track, and gravel loops, hit a nice historic bridge or 2 and then cut back across town to keystone. I’ll put in a bit more planning this year and try to share some routes.  Anyway,Tim in Philly @cleanupyouract@coffeeoutsidephlOn Saturday, January 18, 2025 at 6:36:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:The Good Tom! I sure hope we can meet again!River - there will be rides posted on the event website. Pam often leads a ride to the Keystone After Party and sometimes one on Sunday. There was a coffee ride last year I really enjoyed.LOn Jan 18, 2025, at 11:

[RBW] Re: Indoor Rides

[Garth]

Yeah, Rollers definitely require full focus, in some ways even more than 
outside as you have only 15" or so to ride on ! I had a Turbo Trainer back 
in the 80's, basically one of the original "remove the front wheel" and 
ride the rear wheel on some sort of resistance unit. That being small fins 
to catch air. I thought it would cool to watch tv like MTV and all while 
riding that, but no, the two just don't mix for me. Music about voice 
loudness though is complementary. But hey, I've always loved radio/audio 
much more than TV/visual. In some ways that's what riding rollers is like, 
just listening"to the rhythm of the movement with or without some soft 
music playing. Like a symphony of activity ! Close your eyes and the sound 
bursts forth the screen of the mind into all manner of wonderment, so to 
speak.  





On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 3:45:28 PM UTC-5 jeff.ze...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I haven't ridden rollers since I was a teenager...a lot of fun and a 
> totally different challenge than riding on the Wahoo. Mine are long gone 
> but not forgotten.
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 2:29:56 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Speaking of rollers, I have a Technique Pro roller that I purchased from 
>> Performance Bike many years ago that I haven't used for quite awhile and 
>> would like to get rid of (I'm getting old and am downsizing).  These 
>> rollers are folders and they use sealed bearings, but they had rather thin 
>> side rails that caused me to stack some flat washers between them in order 
>> to tighten the lock nuts properly.  Right now they're adjusted for a wheel 
>> base (front hub lock nut to rear lock nut) of about 39 1/2 inches, which 
>> should be adequate for most road bikes. The roller diameters themselves are 
>> 3 3/4".  I anyone in the Chicago metro area is interested, please contact 
>> me off-list.  I will not ship - too heavy - but I will deliver within a 
>> reasonable distance of central DuPage County.
>> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 10:50:04 AM UTC-6 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I ride on rollers in the winter and use a fan when getting to warm and a 
>>> have a towel around my neck or within reach to wipe my face if needed. I 
>>> sweat easily and do my best to never drip sweat on the bike. Even in summer 
>>> I ride with a hanky handy ! No runs, no drips, no errors ! Ahahahaa ! 
>>>
>>> Indoors riding is mostly "tolerable" to do so I just ride 10-30 minutes 
>>> every other day or so. 
>>> Sometimes thoughts of "what the hell are you doing, this sucks !" arise 
>>> quite loudly when I begin. "Well yeah !,  the idea that anything sucks, 
>>> well that sucks, sucking sucks , and so what ?!"  It's good for a laugh 
>>>  :-). 
>>>
>>> I love summer and sweating outdoors also ! Y E A H ! ! ! 
>>> Indoors or outdoors in winter I don't like sweating at all as it's so 
>>> darn chilling, regardless of the clothing. 
>>>
>>> Right now it's raining a 37d, well that sucks even for walking outside 
>>> !  So, off to laugh my way to an indoor ride ! Teeeheeeheee ;-) 
>>>
>>> I must say though, riding rollers is a wonderful way to change setups 
>>> and fits without having to go for ride outdoors. I mean it's right at-hand, 
>>> instant feedback and tools at hand. Every bike shop that should have some 
>>> for the mechanics to ride repaired bikes. The ones I have a made by Sport 
>>> Crafters of Indiana, the ones with progressive resistance. It really does 
>>> have road like resistance and I use the same gears. Pedal harder and it 
>>> gets much harder to maintain it. These are so much more uselful than the 
>>> Krietler Challenger rollers I had for many years and sold. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 11:06:36 AM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:
>>>
 My Roadini resides on a Zwift hub when not being used outside. I give 
 it a good wipe down after a Zwift session. I believe Zwift has a 
 traditional steel road bike option in game, but since Zwift is the one 
 place where I care about being a weight weenie, my avatar rides a Tarmac. 

 Brady in SLC
 On Friday, January 31, 2025 at 8:57:33 AM UTC-7 jeff.ze...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Does anyone use their Riv on a 'smart' trainer?
>
> In my quest to streamline my existence by seeing if I can get by with 
> a single bike (N-1? dunno.), I have installed my Hillborne on a Wahoo 
> KICKR 
> wheel-off trainer.  I stipulate that riding outdoors is infinitely 
> preferable but also refuse to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. 
>
> Other than protecting Sam from sweat, is there anything else I should 
> be concerned about in doing this? Even on the trainer, the Riv is much 
> more 
> comfortable than the older Cannondale I have been using (it's a fit 
> issue). 
> Thanks for any insights.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith L sizing

[Jaysun Pine]

Thank you so much for the feedback you two. And rmrose extra special thank 
you for the picture of your Clem. That's exactly what I needed as we have 
the same overall height and saddle height. I think a 59cm is the way to go 
for me. 

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 7:17:15 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Jaysun, I hope my input is not too late to be of any help to you - perhaps 
> you bought your Clem yesterday? Anyway, I am also 5’10”. I ride a 52 Clem. 
> I honestly cannot tell you my PBH with any accuracy as I have never gotten 
> the same measurement twice. I continue to be bewildered that Riv does not 
> simply use saddle height vs. PBH but they have their reasons. My saddle 
> height is 72-73cm with a mid foot position on a platform pedal. This is 
> important because with a traditional ball of foot over spindle position my 
> saddle height would be 2-3cm higher. I like my Bosco bar high & my 
> FacePlater stem is maxed out. If I needed my saddle higher I would not be 
> able to get my bar high enough & I would need the 59. That said I love my 
> 52. The ride is sublime.
> When I got my Gus I sized up to get the larger wheels but not for ride 
> quality. I wanted a 29’er for rollover ability on singletrack. I do have 
> much less seatpost showing on the Gus vs. Clem.
> In summary I would consider myself maxed out on the Clem - I would want 
> the 59 if my saddle height were a millimeter more than 730mm. FWIW, my 
> saddle could go higher as I have plenty of post left but it would not work 
> for me.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 1, 2025, at 8:33 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> On a general whole I don't agree with Rivendell's "always ride the 
> biggest bike you can" philosophy BUT on the step thru bikes I am on board 
> with them. In comparison I am the same size as you but my PBH is shorter. I 
> have a 52 Clem and its absolutely perfect for me however if my PBH was 
> where you are at I would 100% have gone with the size up. I am not sure why 
> the person at Riv suggested that a 700C wheel will ride better. I don't 
> think there would be a monumental difference for you from 56 to 59 on a 
> Clem. Grab one if you want it. Life is too short to wait a year for a 
> possibility that might not yield any better of a ride.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 2:25:29 AM UTC-5 Jaysun Pine wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out sizing for this bike. Been through the 
>> calculations on the site, spoke to Riv on the phone (can't remember who), 
>> but wanted to see if here are any other opinions out there. I'm 5'10", long 
>> arms, and my pbh is 844. According to the site that places me on a 52cm. 
>> But, since it's a Clem L, the site also says I could ride a 59cm, with a 
>> regular, unsprung saddle. On the 52cm I would have more seatpost and stem 
>> showing, which is obvious, but I'm wondering if it might be too much stem 
>> showing. As if I might run out of stem and need to go with one with rise.  
>> I want a more upright position on this one. Then there's the 650b vs 700c 
>> thing as well. Riv says riding the biggest bike you can fit usually ends up 
>> being most comfortable ride. The person on the phone seemed to suggest that 
>> I would like the ride of the 700c wheels better. I think they're going to 
>> do a 56cm (700c wheels) on this bike next year. But that would mean waiting 
>> another year to get this bike.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for any input or feedback anyone has.
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr L 59cm

[Jaysun Pine]

Yeah, I agree about the build. The dark gold is really not my favorite 
color. I'm the guy that tried to buy a 59cm in Bronzey Green at 12:03pm 
during the pre-sale and they were already gone. Clearly the bronzey green 
is a popular color and I'm surprised Rivendell didn't order more in that 
color. I know color isn't everything but I do have to look at the bike 
everyday!

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 5:36:34 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Unless you absolutely don't like the dark gold I would suggest grabbing a 
> new one from Rivendell because IMO there has never been a better stock 
> build then what they have now. I changed all kinds of parts on mine and I 
> don't think I would change a thing on the current one.
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 2:26:08 AM UTC-5 Jaysun Pine wrote:
>
>> Seeing if anything's out there right now
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Clem Smith Jr L 59cm

[Kim H.]

 Hi Jaysun,

I found a 59cm Clem in green in Australia both in complete and framesets:

https://www.heapsgoodgarage.com.au/products/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-
completerivendell-clem-smith-jr-complete?variant=42758764560579

It might be worth your while and interest.

Kim Hetzel.

On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 8:36:57 AM UTC-8 Jaysun Pine wrote:

> Yeah, I agree about the build. The dark gold is really not my favorite 
> color. I'm the guy that tried to buy a 59cm in Bronzey Green at 12:03pm 
> during the pre-sale and they were already gone. Clearly the bronzey green 
> is a popular color and I'm surprised Rivendell didn't order more in that 
> color. I know color isn't everything but I do have to look at the bike 
> everyday!
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 5:36:34 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Unless you absolutely don't like the dark gold I would suggest grabbing a 
>> new one from Rivendell because IMO there has never been a better stock 
>> build then what they have now. I changed all kinds of parts on mine and I 
>> don't think I would change a thing on the current one.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 1, 2025 at 2:26:08 AM UTC-5 Jaysun Pine wrote:
>>
>>> Seeing if anything's out there right now
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] 36 Views of Mt Diablo (aka Grant's Mountain)

[Mike Godwin]

It is/was. Not only was it a beautiful day - ride to Rock City back on Wall 
Point Rd - but a ditch day from work! Those papers will still be on the 
desk.
Mike SLO CA 
On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Whoa Mike! That's a lovely photo. What a dreamy day that must have been!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 10:29:17 AM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> From April 2014, 8 months before my move to the Central Coast. Resized 
>> photo. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2025 at 9:38:03 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> And not only the mountain, but that’s one of Grant’s beautiful old 
>>> bikes. 
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 9:23 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Another shot of GP’s mountain—taken from the Black Point Cafe, my 
 favorite lunch joint. I get a table to myself, so quiet and peaceful. 

 Twenty five miles out, twenty five back…always a good day.   

 Jock

 On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 3:54 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Shot this earlier today, on my way to start a ride to Berkeley. At 
> some point in the future, I plan to put out a call to all RBW list 
> members 
> for your best Mt Diablo photos so that I can finally make the “36 Views” 
> idea a reality. Stay tuned!
>
> [image: P1050081.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] 36 Views of Mt Diablo (aka Grant's Mountain)

[Eric Floden]

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2025/feb/01/new-perspectives-on-the-golden-gate-bridge-arthur-drooker

A little off topic, maybe, but I loved these pics.

One of my very few goals in the US of A is to pedal north over this bridge

EricF
Vancouver

On Sat, Feb 1, 2025, 10:59 Mike Godwin  wrote:

> It is/was. Not only was it a beautiful day - ride to Rock City back on
> Wall Point Rd - but a ditch day from work! Those papers will still be on
> the desk.
> Mike SLO CA
> On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Whoa Mike! That's a lovely photo. What a dreamy day that must have been!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, January 30, 2025 at 10:29:17 AM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> From April 2014, 8 months before my move to the Central Coast. Resized
>>> photo.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2025 at 9:38:03 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 And not only the mountain, but that’s one of Grant’s beautiful old
 bikes.

 Jock

 On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 9:23 PM John Dewey  wrote:


> Another shot of GP’s mountain—taken from the Black Point Cafe, my
> favorite lunch joint. I get a table to myself, so quiet and peaceful.
>
> Twenty five miles out, twenty five back…always a good day.
>
> Jock
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 3:54 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Shot this earlier today, on my way to start a ride to Berkeley. At
>> some point in the future, I plan to put out a call to all RBW list 
>> members
>> for your best Mt Diablo photos so that I can finally make the “36 Views”
>> idea a reality. Stay tuned!
>>
>> [image: P1050081.jpeg]
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
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